Mini Normal 1908 - In The Web (Game Over)

[MarioManiac4]

I'm guessing that the mod error was that Priscila had no gun but TB/nadroj sent a no result PM.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[MarioManiac4]

eh that probably means that your result stands
which sucks because RF!SCUM MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER BUT NEITHER DOES A SCUM ASCETIC/ROLESTOPPER AAAAAAAAAAAAA

[MarioManiac4]

Nexus told me not to discuss it further until postgame

(I think if you gave incorrect results to a player, it would be better to simply clarify the correct result to that player and not

discuss

it until postgame. I might be wrong on that but I think it's the general consensus in such a scenario?)

[MarioManiac4]

tbh it's probably a mechanically bad play but i would lynch pp here

[MarioManiac4]

I would really like to think it's as simple as just lynching Gamma and Priscila but it's probably not

Yes of course it's that simple, why bother letting people explain shit when you already know scum with as much confidence as a cop with an inspect on everyone?

[MarioManiac4]

can it really just be as simple as MMM and ircher

Yes of course it's that simple, why bother letting people explain shit when you already know scum with as much confidence as a cop with an inspect on everyone?

read this interaction and what i just said may make more sense

[MarioManiac4]

@Mods; Hypothetically, if there were a scenario were a player was an investigative, and got No Result when they were meant to get another result, would that player be sent the updated result?

[MarioManiac4]

UNVOTE:
holy shit mmm is actually town

Are you stating here, MM4, that your exchange with MMM leads you to think he's likely to be town after all this time you've spent sure that this wasn't the case?

Yes

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Priscila
this pretty much has to be scum ascetic or the partner is a rolestopper

[MarioManiac4]

Meh, MM4 has been so scummy though

[MarioManiac4]

why isn't rayfrost conftown from the lock again?

[MarioManiac4]

Yeah okay I'm going to say the thread lock is unrelated to it. I have no clue what the hell it is about though.

Why did scum have a RB to counter a gated cop and gated jailkeeper?
Why did RF!scum claim a third shot?
Why wouldn't RF!scum switch his result?
If RF!scum wanted to fake a guilty, why not use a smoking gun (pun fully intended)?

[MarioManiac4]

Go for it. This town deserves to lose and you've been unable to read alignment from the start

sinks

[MarioManiac4]

Honestly I'm just embarrassed my read on Tarkus was so utterly shit

[MarioManiac4]

impossible result

[MarioManiac4]

Besides, I'm supposed to be super scummy and RF is supposed to be scum.
Really your frustration shouldn't be this large with one town voting you, right?

[MarioManiac4]

Why did scum have a RB to counter a gated cop and gated jailkeeper?
Why did RF!scum claim a third shot?
Why wouldn't RF!scum switch his result?
If RF!scum wanted to fake a guilty, why not use a smoking gun (pun fully intended)?

How should I know, probably some desperate terrible play to try to save Penguin? He'll be confirmed scum tomorrow so good for him I guess.

?
so
his partner is pp
and for some reason
he claimed to save him
despite the fact that pp was not gonna be lynched
and even if he was
the implication would be that pp would get lylo'd anyways
and rayfrost was under no suspicion at all

i don't see town being angry at the dots being connected here tbh

[MarioManiac4]

Honestly I'm just embarrassed my read on Tarkus was so utterly shit

Honestly if you are town I am embarrassed for you. If you are scum it's marginally better but you are also kind of obviscum so not much better.

>am obvscum
>pp/rf scumteam

[MarioManiac4]

yeah get out of here with YOUR LOGIC AND RATIONAL THINKING IF UR TOWN IM EMBARRASSED FOR YOU FOR LYNCHING A PR'S GUILTY OVER THE PR IN NON-LYLO

[MarioManiac4]

Idk what you're talking about with your first quote.
All PR claims, no. With only odd-night cop, even-night JK, and a dv that isn't even countered, with a roleblocker on the scumteam? Yes of course I'm going to buy it here.
And you're missing the point. It's not lylo and there's a guilty and there is no reason for RF to be scum. You're just handwaving logic away and replacing it with ANGER at what is simple connection of dots.

[MarioManiac4]

More that you're angry at people for bad logic while being unable to refute their logic.

[MarioManiac4]

So am I scum or is PP scum, which is it?

[MarioManiac4]

hello
VOTE: RayFrost

[MarioManiac4]

>implying that scum didn't no-kill

[MarioManiac4]

i can't wait to read the dead pt full of priscila raging at me postgame

[MarioManiac4]

a) it's mylo so i can
b) there is no conceivable way he shouldn't have received a result
c) he's probably scum and everyone coming in and saying we shouldnt lynch him doesnt make me feel any better about it
jajajajajjajajajaja

[MarioManiac4]

remember when i said i was enjoying this game?
i really cant say that anymore
i'll unvote for now but we should lynch rayfrost today
UNVOTE:

[MarioManiac4]

Someone remind me why PP is town again
Because his play for basically the last two days has felt like scumfuckery

[MarioManiac4]

{RayFrost, Gamma, PP}
^ i will be surprised if more than one scum is outside this

[MarioManiac4]

Remind me why PP couldn't be
a) Mafia Traitor signalling with hammer
b) Mafia Doctor

[MarioManiac4]

honestly if we fuckalynch MMM in lylo and PP is scum I'm going to be slightly pissed because MMM feels like obvtown and PP really doesn't

[MarioManiac4]

honestly there is no reason for scum to not nokill here

[MarioManiac4]

Can we just quicklynch Priscila again

[MarioManiac4]

Even with Ray a traitor makes a lot of sense. Especially if mafia have an investigative (which is likely due to the N2 kill)
MMM is pretty town. PP/Gamma not so much. At all

[MarioManiac4]

or mafia 2-shot rolecop?
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Occam's razor says the team is gamma and rayfrost
i STILL don't get how RF could get noresult on priscila that still seems really really really damning and is why I want to lynch frosty the snowman

[MarioManiac4]

The mods said they made an error.
The mods also said if a wrong result was given, it would be corrected.
RayFrost claimed his result had not changed.
Although I honestly would not mind lynching Gamma here. If he's town, either it's RF and PP in which case I give up on life completely or MMM is scum in which case un tip of le fedora to you good sir. Neither of which are likely

[MarioManiac4]

RayFrost and Gamma Emerald

[MarioManiac4]

honestly there is no reason for scum to not nokill here

This is... actually a good point.

you sound surprised

[MarioManiac4]

Top 2 lynch candidates from everyone please.

Ray followed by PP. I could see Gamma being scum but since scum no killing is a possibility maybe we should actually discount Ircher's target, in which case my lynch targets become Ray and PP as I said.

ITT MMM ruins my townread on him

[MarioManiac4]

I'm sorry I don't have all the answers.

please try to find the answers

[MarioManiac4]

page 1; viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71675&user_select%5 ... B%5D=28106
page 2; viewtopic.phpf=2&t=71675&user_select%5B ... &start=200
page 3; viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71675&user_select%5 ... &start=400

you're welcome

[MarioManiac4]

^ ISO of PP, rayfrost, MMM and fitz

[MarioManiac4]

if you need paul, CDB, titus and grey on there, let me know

[MarioManiac4]

actually i did it for you anyway
page 1; viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71675&user_select%5 ... B%5D=21512
page 2; viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71675&user_select%5 ... &start=200
page 3; viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71675&user_select%5 ... &start=400

now, it is up to you, hero. complete the mission.

[MarioManiac4]

aren't we all

[MarioManiac4]

the advantage is that you keep doing what you wanted to do in the first place
lynch priscila and then wifom yourself out of it in lylo

[MarioManiac4]

that's why i wanted to lynch priscila
but i still don't see any scum-aligned role ever being able to give you a no-result ever
it pretty much has to be traitor if you aren't GS

[MarioManiac4]

Exactly. Which is why your claim has to be bullshit.

[MarioManiac4]

You mean to tell me mafia have 2 roleblockers to counter a 3-shot gunsmith, an odd-night cop and an even-night jailkeeper?

[MarioManiac4]

You mean to tell me mafia have 2 roleblockers to counter a 3-shot gunsmith, an odd-night cop and an even-night jailkeeper?

I actually had a thought
They could have a rolestopper instead of another roleblocker

True. But
a) why would they use it on a town player
b) Why the hell would they have two methods of stopping town results, anyway? All town has is 3-shot GS and Odd-Night Cop. 2-shot RB is more than enough.

[MarioManiac4]

I can't.

[MarioManiac4]

i am constantly finding this game and thinking "oh yeah i need to do things in this at some point" and then am filled with an overwhelming revulsion to actually looking over it
i'm really uncomfortable with how comfortable everyone is with the gamma lynch tho

[MarioManiac4]

Just gut or is there more to it?

it's like
i feel that scum would be trying to do something here if they were dissatisfied with the current gamestate, rather than everyone just sitting back
the two mafia players are certainly not trying to change anything and that makes me uncomfortable with the gamma lynch

[MarioManiac4]

Actually, I want to lynch you for sitting around, doing nothing and not even trying to scumhunt for most of the game, only propelling up in activity once two votes were placed on you, and your terribad hammer on Priscila.

[MarioManiac4]

?

[MarioManiac4]

that ate is completely and utterly out of place

[MarioManiac4]

Yes.
How is it relevant to what I said? Or was it just incredibly delayed?

[MarioManiac4]

It's like this;
>Ircher (who is already voting you) states intent to lynch you for one contradiction
>I say I want to lynch you for other reasons
>you THEN say it

to me it feels like you wanting to say that but forgetting to do it at the right time

[MarioManiac4]

oh and also please dont go full prisicla it isn't justified zzzzz

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Priscila
I'm 100% here.

why did you pull this

[MarioManiac4]

why should i vote mmm with you?

[MarioManiac4]

tbh that doesn't really convince me.
how did you react when you learned priscila was, in fact, a vanilla townie?

[MarioManiac4]

tbh your daystart doesn't feel right for someone who thinks ray is scum
i'm still getting bad feelings about this lynch though :/

[MarioManiac4]

What if Penguin's scum with Ray? What if I'm scum?

[MarioManiac4]

What if Penguin's scum with Ray? What if I'm scum?

If Penguin is scum with Ray then Ray pulled a fucking insane gambit. I can see it but my thoughts are "it's inadvisable". I remember another game where there was a double cc. That game a VT fakeclaimed one-shot cop to get obvscum lynched, and the next day the real cop outed their investigation.

This can apply to MMM/Ray, too. So you have to be almost certain that the scumteam is MMM/PP for this logic to work- how willing would you be to lynch Penguin today?

MMM, do you think PP/Ray or Gamma/Ray is more likely?

[MarioManiac4]

I'm 44% willing to vote PP and 56% willing to vote MMM
PP's engaging with me decreased my willingness to lynch him by 20%

But from your perspective, the scumteam is MMM/PP; why does this matter?

What if Penguin's scum with Ray? What if I'm scum?

If Penguin is scum with Ray then Ray pulled a fucking insane gambit. I can see it but my thoughts are "it's inadvisable". I remember another game where there was a double cc. That game a VT fakeclaimed one-shot cop to get obvscum lynched, and the next day the real cop outed their investigation.

This can apply to MMM/Ray, too. So you have to be almost certain that the scumteam is MMM/PP for this logic to work- how willing would you be to lynch Penguin today?

MMM, do you think PP/Ray or Gamma/Ray is more likely?

If Ray is scum then it'd almost certainly be with PP.

So;
Me, you and Ircher are town
Two of {PP, Ray, Gamma} are scum
If RayFrost is scum, PenguinPower is almost certainly scum
If RayFrost is not scum, PenguinPower is certainly scum

So why do you want to vote Gamma today at all?

[MarioManiac4]

It matter because I'd rather have someone who will rationally discuss with me than someone who won't PP has proven he will.

They're both scum. Why wouldn't you want to lynch rationally discussing scum, when they would surely be harder to defeat in Lylo?

[MarioManiac4]

What if Penguin's scum with Ray? What if I'm scum?

If Penguin is scum with Ray then Ray pulled a fucking insane gambit. I can see it but my thoughts are "it's inadvisable". I remember another game where there was a double cc. That game a VT fakeclaimed one-shot cop to get obvscum lynched, and the next day the real cop outed their investigation.

This can apply to MMM/Ray, too. So you have to be almost certain that the scumteam is MMM/PP for this logic to work- how willing would you be to lynch Penguin today?

MMM, do you think PP/Ray or Gamma/Ray is more likely?

If Ray is scum then it'd almost certainly be with PP.

So;
Me, you and Ircher are town
Two of {PP, Ray, Gamma} are scum
If RayFrost is scum, PenguinPower is almost certainly scum
If RayFrost is not scum, PenguinPower is certainly scum

So why do you want to vote Gamma today at all?

^if you saw this and forgot to answer this MMM i'd like an answer

[MarioManiac4]

Cool, but why does that make you want to lynch MMM over PP?

[MarioManiac4]

With that said, Ray might actually be town, and Gamma is seeming like an increasingly better lynch.

^this
and for someone who has PP as practically confirmed scum you haven't been pushing PP very hard, either

[MarioManiac4]

Cool, but why does that make you want to lynch MMM over PP?

Because he has not engaged with me as respectfully as PP has. iirc I disliked him during d3

(assuming fixed)
But how does respect to you change their alignment; and why would you want to lynch someone for reasons unrelated to their alignment/role?

[MarioManiac4]

you said "assholes" not "gods"

[MarioManiac4]

but this is MyLo, you should be entirely and equally willing to take any scumlynch you can get and I can't really see any scenario in which that wouldn't be true for you (maybe a player who gets easily pissed could just vote someone regardless of their alignment)

[MarioManiac4]

FYI it's also something I fake as scum. Burgerking pissed me off in Open 658 so I popped a vote on him.

You were scum that game tho

[MarioManiac4]

Doesnt make me feel much better

pedit: oh i misread sorry about that

[MarioManiac4]

gamma, my point stands. you think pp is scum, you should be ENTIRELY willing to help lynch pp

[MarioManiac4]

I don't particularly find you an asshole rn I was just using a general term for discussion
Your tone reads rather affrontal though

Gamma and PP it is.

[MarioManiac4]

I'm strongly tempted to vote PP here, but I'll hold off for now. Not entirely convinced on RF still; Might try and do some research on how much the NRG values town doublevoters. I guess 1-shot rolestopper is possible and the most likely scenario.

[MarioManiac4]

The only issue with this is that if PP is actually town I will feel terrible for leading a lynch on a gunsmith innocent.

[MarioManiac4]

(Assuming RF is town as well, which I'm just going to take as granted for now.)

[MarioManiac4]

According to a member of the NRG, doublevoters have next to no balance impact. So I'm pretty sure Ray has to be town here, with the presence of a scum 2-shot roleblocker.

Ircher, what do you think about a Penguin lynch?

[MarioManiac4]

Like, there has to be two scum within {MMM, PP, Gamma} really.
I'm tempted to lynch Gamma for framing his MMM push as policy and then just withdrawing, actually. Like, how do you explain wanting to lynch MMM because he's toxic, and then go and say that MMM isn't being toxic?

[MarioManiac4]

To be honest I'd be surprised if other opinions varied widely considering how assertively he said it, and I'm lazy. tbh RF pretty much has to be town. I didn't like Gamma and MMM treating the crossvote as guaranteed when it wasn't. They've changed their minds now, but I'm still unsure about it.
(This is mostly addressed to Ircher, who is town. If he's not I will be angry that a town power role fakeclaimed VT.)

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[MarioManiac4]

Aw I've been outed as scum doublevoter =p

[MarioManiac4]

Honestly, from the MMM toxic-policy-lynch-no-wait-it-isnt-that-bad-i-just-think-pp-isnt-as-lynchable-just-for-talking-with-me debacle, I'm thinking those are the scumteam. But that's the main thing I'm worried about from MMM.

[MarioManiac4]

You discounting Gamma from being lynched, I'm willing to bet.

[MarioManiac4]

UNVOTE:
will be back later

[MarioManiac4]

Gamma, why shouldn't I park my vote on you overnight?

[MarioManiac4]

But scum can't quickhammer scum.

[MarioManiac4]

But since you're in all probability not actually town, if I vote you, scum can't quickhammer. Well, they could, but outing both of you in a stupid move to #co-ordinateforthelols would be utterly stupid and incredibly unlikely.
Perhaps my question could be better put as; "Why are you town?"

[MarioManiac4]

I remain unconvinced.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Goodnight.

[MarioManiac4]

Ircher if you aren't 99% on this lynch and are online you should probably unvote now

[MarioManiac4]

me at l-1 ircher mm4
pp at l-2 me and mmm

[MarioManiac4]

You lynch me and I become not-a-chikorita

D=
Technically, I'm not lynching you- I'm voting you, which could not lead to you being lynched in a variety of scenarios- even if you are town!

[MarioManiac4]

Stop it I don't want to be blackmailed D=

[MarioManiac4]

2-Shot RBer + 2-Shot Rolecop + Goon makes a lot more sense to me.

except that this setup is

literally impossible

unless Ray is scum

[MarioManiac4]

I'm still finding it hard to see MMM is scum and I read PP's ISO up to d3. Literally the only questions he has asked anybody ever were rhetorical, to convince them of what he was saying.
I'd like to discuss with Ircher who to lynch in MYLO, assuming Gamma is scum and scum then nightkill Ircher.

[MarioManiac4]

But I'm finding it very hard to see Gamma as a main-faction mafia who loses if lynched. If there is a traitor, he has to be it- but if Gamma is a traitor, PP has to be town, so the optimal lynch is MMM in all scenarios other than PP!scumdoc I think?

[MarioManiac4]

Official Vote Count

havingfitz

(6):

Ircher

,

BigYoshiFan

, Gamma Emerald,

Hikari Link

,

TwoFace

,

TwoFace

Gamma Emerald

(2):

MortFeld

,

Tarkus

Ircher

(1):

WhemeStar

Hikari Link

(1): ChannelDelibird

Not Voting

(4):

havingfitz

, MMM,

RayFrost

,

MarioManiac4

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-16 18:21:03)

this is the votecount in which fitz was run up to L-1
flipped town in green, setup town/me (nobody is suspecting me at all so I fit into this group as obvtown.) in blue, Fitz in red, and MMM/PP/Gamma uncoloured.
There is no counterwagon to fitz. I think that to some extent means scum were bussing him- otherwise, MMM probably would have helped to build up a counterwagon there.
That just leads me to believe Gamma is more likely to be scum. Not really helpful, but I thought I should share the VC anyway

[MarioManiac4]

really this game doesn't need solving
2 players are town by setup spec, 2 players have gunsmith innocents
I'm not sure if what Gamma was doing was intentional
Either way Gamma needs death and MMM is probably the partner
zzzzzzzzzzzz

pedit: sure, the PP slot was, but MMM's inactivity there does make me slightly doubt his scumminess.
see this is so hard because MMM is pretty town by play and PP is pretty scum but then there's a GS innocent and doc is so inelegant >.>

[MarioManiac4]

Gamma would you kindly do things I'd appreciate it and if you don't I'll take it as a scumclaim

pedit: yeah, that's the scenario I'm worried about. PP being the traitor.

[MarioManiac4]

Like
lynching gamma!traitor wins us the game, because the partner has to be MMM there
if gamma is main scum with traitor, he's semi-throwing right now, and lynching wins but this is unlikely
if gamma us main scum with another main scum, the partner almost HAS to be MMM

[MarioManiac4]

but what if it's MMM
and PP is the traitor
aaaaaa

[MarioManiac4]

You should give solid reasons for lynching someone other than you which are not

As for why I believe MMM is scum I've PoEd it down to PP and MMM after realizing Ray fakeclaiming is an insanely stupid gambit. I'm voting MMM since PP actually engaged me.

[MarioManiac4]

2-Shot RBer + 2-Shot Rolecop + Goon makes a lot more sense to me.

except that this setup is

literally impossible

unless Ray is scum

Not necessarily. There's also the chance mafia doesn't even have a Rolecop, but if they do and inspected Ircher on night 1 then their kill does make a lot more sense now that I think about it.

no, there is no way to give ray!town no result on priscila n3

[MarioManiac4]

no
why would the mods do that

[MarioManiac4]

If Ray is not a gunsmith, how do we explain the fact that the mods psuedo-confirmed his role by announcing mod error in relation to his results?

the error is basically confirmed as unrelated, anyway

[MarioManiac4]

like
giving an incorrect result to "make up" for a previous one is bad
and screws up the game even more
the mods aren't total noobs nor are they idiots

[MarioManiac4]

I say we lynch MM4 for the mod error

[MarioManiac4]

So the solution is to screw with the game even further by making an incorrect result and not just forgetting it?
Like, if the result on Priscila was incorrect after the mods told Ray it was confirmed to be accurate, that's lying by the mod, that's bastard modding and the game is borked anyway.

[MarioManiac4]

Mods; Would you give a player incorrect investigative results if you felt it was necessary to rebalance the game?

[MarioManiac4]

Oh.

[MarioManiac4]

Well. There's something I didn't know.

[MarioManiac4]

SO basically we don't know what's going on.
PP is on the table, he might actually have a gun.

[MarioManiac4]

what if i'm a vigilante and i wasn't told ;-;

uhhhh now i'm confused.
i think we lynch gamma for the mmm > pp lynch excuses though because it was just bad. idk if it points to any partner but it points to gamma being scum

[MarioManiac4]

PP could be traitor sure.

What is the new reasoning to vote MMM? I'm assuming I am missing something.

[MarioManiac4]

like
confirmed scum engaging with you
you not wanting to lynch them for it
and say it's because you're infp?

i can't really see that coming from town imo

[MarioManiac4]

PP could be traitor sure.

What is the new reasoning to vote MMM? I'm assuming I am missing something.

I believe he is the last main mafia, so lynching him will endgame traitor!PP

a) Why should I believe MMM, and not you, are the main maf in this scenario?
b) Although PP!Traitor is possible, it's nowhere near certain enough for me to lynch assuming it is true, barring new evidence.

[MarioManiac4]

like
most mini normal setups
ESPECIALLY those NOT from 1st-time-mods
are intricate
every role has a purpose
i feel like doc has an extra point
and without a vig it feels really inelegant

[MarioManiac4]

Like, from my stance, Occam's Razor says it's Gamma+MMM because everyone else is pretty much confirmed.

Yes, this is where I'm at as well.
Is it possible that PP gives false negatives? Sure?
But the most likely and easiest answer is that MMM and Gamma are just scum together.

[MarioManiac4]

aren't we all

[MarioManiac4]

so we found out that your investigation on priscila may not have even been accurate
and that you were probably just given no result to make up for a missed roleblock n1 from fitz

[MarioManiac4]

I'm just ready to lynch Gamma here tbh.

pedit: Eh. We're not going to win if you're town anyway, if you can't argue for MMM!scum here.

[MarioManiac4]

I feel like Gamma is giving up.
I'm not sure that's alignment indicative though.

[MarioManiac4]

Use your hidden dayvig to dayvig fitz
I mean he's confirmed scum why not

I think you should try to look at MMM to see if you misseed anything. Usually it's easier to see, since you should know he is scum with PP.
Then again it probably won't save your life.

[MarioManiac4]

I'm not saying Titus' replace means she was bussed, the lack of counterwagon did that.
Anyway. We're lynching Gamma. If you were scum with PP; good job, it's been a wild ride.

[MarioManiac4]

I'm not sure about you guys but I'm ready.

pedit: I mean I think it goes against the normal guidelines- I'll have to check- but apart from that, it makes a lot of sense, yes.

pedit: OK OK isoing PP would have been a better idea than MMM

[MarioManiac4]

It's been a wild ride. If it ends here, it was fun while it lasted.
*sunset music plays as d5 reaches its closing minutes/hours*

[MarioManiac4]

MMM you're scum with Gamma right?

[MarioManiac4]

Surprise I was scum with RayFrost hammer incoming GG all /s

pedit: No you're right, his partner is fitz, silly me

[MarioManiac4]

This is what I like to call "pseudo-twilight"

[MarioManiac4]

He's having last minute paranoia of a WhemeStar/MortFeld scumteam

[MarioManiac4]

Why would scum be motivated to put their buddy in the middle of a massclaim chain
Just
Why

[MarioManiac4]

Gamma Emerald you are the lynch today. If I give you CHIKORITA gifs, will you self-hammer?

[MarioManiac4]

Same tbh

[MarioManiac4]

Gamma Emerald was a VT

MarioManiac4, Town Hidden Vigilante, was endgamed
MMM, Town 1-shot Dayvig, was endgamed
RayFrost, Town 3-shot Innacurate Gunsmith, was endgamed
PenguinPower, Town Traitor, was endgamed
Ircher, Town Odd-Night Jailkeeper, was endgamed

The scumteam of xNadrojx and ThinkBig wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[MarioManiac4]

Well.

[MarioManiac4]

Alrighty then.
Now who was the one who fakeclaimed VT?

[MarioManiac4]

Welp.
I'm an idiot then.
gg

pedit: aren't we all

[MarioManiac4]

I didn't think gated gunsmith/gated cop/doublevoter was powerful enough to warrant a roleblocker. I was just wrong though. gah.

[MarioManiac4]

did that guy's opinion conflict with the entire nrg then
;-; i'm a disappointment

pedit: Even so, i still didn't really think it was possible. If anything two investigates was suspect. GG though; this loss was mostly on me but Ircher and MMM both played extremely well and absolutely deserved to win I think

[MarioManiac4]

let me guess; at least ten pages of solid yelling, disappointment and rage

pedit: in that case it's the job of town to sort the fakeclaims. it was our job to sort out fakeclaims here as well

[MarioManiac4]

honestly though fuck me
i should have at least scrutinised ircher's claim
or at least not backed out from mmm there
like my iso this game is like a comedy and each post digs further into the hole

[MarioManiac4]

yeah, tb and nadroj were good

[MarioManiac4]

err1 has bad games, no need to beat yourself up

to be honest this was less a bad game and more of a shit game

[MarioManiac4]

^ for me
MMM and Ircher were good; MMM's play fooled me at least, even if not pretty much everyone else, and Ircher's fakeclaim was either well-thought out, or I am just even more stupid then I thought
I actually had the team early d3 and then I stupidized myself out of it is the funny part

[MarioManiac4]

mm was outright scumclaiming

Before this game I was planning to RVS MMM on page 1 because someone might mix up MM and MMM in LYLO and abuse the vote system

[MarioManiac4]

"Mechanics which are explicitly Non-Normal include:
Lying to the players"
from the wiki.
This was the reason why I didn't consider that Ray might have been given the wrong result intentionally. I guess I was wrong to think that, though.

[MarioManiac4]

mafia is a terrible game and the only way people still play it is because it draws you back in, hungry to either fix what happened last game, or continue your great record from last game

[MarioManiac4]

because you were scumreading ircher