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[MuttonChopMagic]

ego

[MuttonChopMagic]

ah the classic game begins
random user 5 does rqs with chagrin
random user 11 calls him out as scum
and then useless rqs debate! fun!
cheetory is acting like he's a god
but no clue who he is, some egotistical rando, yawn
drk calls rqs scummy for not being relevant
and yet his whole mafia theory discussion is an elephant
empty long posts about not making empty long posts
contributing as much to game solving as the host

VOTE: cheetory

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VOTE: grendel

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I can already tell this game will be a pain
grendel, link me where rvs has caught scum mayn
drk, suck my left nut
klick I like but
drk not so much
it's ok though I'll be towns crutch
cheetory is town i think
drk is over explaining and being a stink
I like gamma for green
notsure what alignment not sure could be
I think Paul is getting too much shit
but wagoning a newb is fine, at least a bit

[MuttonChopMagic]

let's do a pbpa before I sleep
rqs, fuck off creep
le hilarious shitpost, you should be a comedian
more buddying of cheeto, the votes should be stampedin
oh look, third post in a row about cheeto
and more buddying... not tryna repeat though
67 is pretty gross in a different way
inventing some b.s. about rqs catching scum today
the pedit itself is even worse I think
but people discredit lamist as a tell so I won't make a stink
oh look, he's not thrilled with me, nice reasoning bro
and now the reasoning in 92... gross
I'm detached from the game state? checking boxes? fuck off
your rqs is what made the "game state" aloft
95 wording is really weird
pbpa out, my vote stays herr

[MuttonChopMagic]

Mutton why have you been trying to peddle to me the idea that DRK is scum so hard when your vote has not been on them?

grendel is a bigger issue
lying about catching scum is a bitch move

[MuttonChopMagic]

TripleC is probably my strongest townread atm ftr.

Why? He's said nothing AI

I'm actually the opposite and have him as a scum lean
his attitude isn't very clean

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okay okay so I have some good poe going
this should make the scum start showing
cheetory, accountant, klick, gamma, notsure as green
so that leaves 3/7 scum in {bigben, ccc, paul, backhand, raya, grendel, drk}, neat

[MuttonChopMagic]

by the way accountant, I shoved scum grendel harder
after all, I did a pbpa, for starters

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...I'm a bit suspicious of this dogpile on Cheetory. I mean, yes, Cheetory hasn't exactly been a shining example of pure Townishness... but at the same time, having three votes on him makes him look like a safe Mafia target, especially so early in the game. MuttonChopMagic's long rhyming posts are hard to read and hard to parse... DeathRowKitty's feud would look a lot more suspicious if she wasn't the first to start piling on Cheetory; but what really strikes me as the Mafiaest post so far (and that's a pretty low bar) is Klick calling for a quicklynch on Cheetory.

I'm sure Mafia would

love

a quicklynch on Day One. Less time to talk, to make and consider reads, to act and react, to allow Town time to work.

VOTE: Klick

Still why is it bad?

The questions don't have enough (any?) of a direct tie to the current game for alignment to meaningfully appear in answers. *insert theory discussion of early game here* so RQS is basically the worst thing ever. Talking about it in general terms is also a bad thing though so etc

So, what do you think we

should

be talking about on Day One, then?

I think NotTheRealPaul is probably scum. The selfvote + questionnaire answering felt like a really bad attempt to fit in/insert self into game and their post was more or less an isolated island that didn't touch on what was being discussed around them. This is scummy because mafia find it way easier to put themselves into a game through easy to fake stuff like selfvote jokes or answering NAI questions rather than put themselves in the midst of real discussion.

VOTE: NotTheRealPaul

oh crap you caught me

Let me just hop onto the maf thread and ask cheetory what to do.

This is either a scum confession or an attempt at humour in seriously bad taste.

I consider the second of those two possibilities rather significantly more likely than the first; but, either way, I think the unreal Paul deserves some scrutiny.

Not that there's much to scrutinise yet...

I know it's hard to seem Townish on day one.

Both of my tutorial games, I was lynched day one for apparently looking really scummy. Both of my tutorial games, I was Town. So, yeah. The struggle is a hard one. I understand it.

But... I can also understand why people might want to vote for you. I'm not trying to knock you. Not at all.

Just as a general question for everyone - is having around one in three players Mafia a reasonable ratio?

Which, with thirteen players, would mean four Mafia?

You're a very genial person!
Don't worry, I was just kidding around.

Excellent!

[quote="In :I'm going to be very town when I start feeling good about a scumread.

While we're here, do you think scum genuinely thinks that they can get a quicklynch in the first 5 pages?

No, I don't. I do think that they'll ... 7]post 130, CCC"]Argh. Apologies; messed up that quote in the last post.

Oh jeeze.
Uh.
Three mafia is probably the only thing you're going to see here.

So, one in four, then? That's better than I'd expected...[/quote]
so here we see 8 posts in a catch up
not a single thing gamesolving or even advancing the thread, yup
I actually didn't notice how bad it was my first read
this is a gross as fuck entrance, votes we might need

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because I scumread grendel more than ccc?
that's not even a big post aside from quotes, jeez

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let's do a pbpa before I sleep
rqs, fuck off creep
le hilarious shitpost, you should be a comedian
more buddying of cheeto, the votes should be stampedin
oh look, third post in a row about cheeto
and more buddying... not tryna repeat though
67 is pretty gross in a different way
inventing some b.s. about rqs catching scum today
the pedit itself is even worse I think
but people discredit lamist as a tell so I won't make a stink
oh look, he's not thrilled with me, nice reasoning bro
and now the reasoning in 92... gross
I'm detached from the game state? checking boxes? fuck off
your rqs is what made the "game state" aloft
95 wording is really weird
pbpa out, my vote stays herr

[MuttonChopMagic]

I think most of last night's discussion is hard to parse. A problem with theory discussion (not that I've never been guilty of doing it) is that people will generally be honest about their theory thoughts and even if you disagree, your feelings about RQS are probably not scum or town indicative.

As I said above though, CCC is pretty obviously town. Think Cheetory and DRK have done a good job of trying to move forward, slight townreads there.

Everyone else somewhere in the middle.

Leaning Scum:
MCM is obnoxious and going to be really hard to read, OMGUS voted grendel, we could do worse.
I agree accountant's VI post is more "gotcha" than real but it did ping me, I'm not forgetting about it.
Raya was a little on the defensive side, would like her to come back and catch up.

The more I reread MCM's stuff the less I like it. I don't believe that he believes that rqs is actually a scumtell.

Vote MCM

rqs is not a scum tell and I never said it was
it's stupid, stupid =/= scummy, I'm not voting him for doing rqs cuz
hell, if I called rqs scummy
gamma emerald does it and policy lynching him would be crummy

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my original post was a naked vote
but sure, that makes sense, totes

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That's picking at nothing MCM. He means your first post with content.

rqs is not a scum tell and I never said it was
it's stupid, stupid =/= scummy, I'm not voting him for doing rqs cuz
hell, if I called rqs scummy
gamma emerald does it and policy lynching him would be crummy

In your original vote, all you called out is that rqs wasn't likely to find scum.

So it sure looked like that's what you were going for.

@Accountant: If you say so, I don't read much actually being there. I do get a town feel off of cheet, so I guess that's a response to the wagon, even though I barely noticed it on my read.

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and no, my post did give reasoning past "lol rqs"
I feel like I'm the newbie queue this game, it's the best

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lol paul

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"why would scum do this" has caused many a town to lose
but in this case I do think notsure is a green dude
that read is weak but eh I just got head at central park on vaca
*subtle brag* gonna go to bed now cyall tomorrow on payday

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UNVOTE:

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no time to spit fire
I'll be back tomorrow those who admire

[MuttonChopMagic]

by the way a quick note before bed
I will be answering grendel but their answers satisfied me; I townread them instead

[MuttonChopMagic]

it's funny I think
in most games people love my fire but in this game it stinks

[MuttonChopMagic]

I usually make much better beats and I'll admit it's been lacking this game
I've basically been drunk or hung over this entire time and haven't had the same

[MuttonChopMagic]

I can already tell this game will be a pain
grendel, link me where rvs has caught scum mayn
drk, suck my left nut
klick I like but
drk not so much
it's ok though I'll be towns crutch
cheetory is town i think
drk is over explaining and being a stink
I like gamma for green
notsure what alignment not sure could be
I think Paul is getting too much shit
but wagoning a newb is fine, at least a bit

https://forum.starmen.net/forum/Storage ... l-Question
Its an offsite game, but used RQS and it helped me identify the players {Dipper, PigsmaskJames} There were other reads I got from it, but I'm not interested in doing leg work for you atm.

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=67181
Ironicly my own reads that I got from RQS were less accurate then Egg's observations. Egg called out Masquerade as scum, and was correct. RQS provided a start to that suspicion.

Not interested in sharing results from any games where I was not known as "Grendel"

Anyway, Your reads appear to be:
Town: Klick, Cheetory, Gamma
Null: Unsure
Getting too much flack: Not Puel
Scum: Grendel, DRK

Can you explain what Not Peul getting too much flack means for your read on Accountant? As they led that pressure.

let's do a pbpa before I sleep
rqs, fuck off creep
le hilarious shitpost, you should be a comedian
more buddying of cheeto, the votes should be stampedin
oh look, third post in a row about cheeto
and more buddying... not tryna repeat though
67 is pretty gross in a different way
inventing some b.s. about rqs catching scum today
the pedit itself is even worse I think
but people discredit lamist as a tell so I won't make a stink
oh look, he's not thrilled with me, nice reasoning bro
and now the reasoning in 92... gross
I'm detached from the game state? checking boxes? fuck off
your rqs is what made the "game state" aloft
95 wording is really weird
pbpa out, my vote stays herr

The crux of your case against me looks like "Grendel is Buddying Cheetory", "Grendel's reasoning is gross" and "Grendel is voting me, Belh!"

--Elaborate on why these things are scummy to you--

I'm not sure if it means anything AI yet, but I am interested at the contrast in tone between these posts and your first. I want to jump on it and say that its scum over compensating for getting called out. But part of me feels that your emotion is genuine in said posts.

DO you have much offsite experience Mutton?

I have a town reads post
I don't think I need to elaborate on those
I am an alt, so well, yes
I have on and off site experience

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okay okay so I have some good poe going
this should make the scum start showing
cheetory, accountant, klick, gamma, notsure as green
so that leaves 3/7 scum in {bigben, ccc, paul, backhand, raya, grendel, drk}, neat

not much has really changed besides grendel switching teams
VOTE: raya I don't remember anything from him it seems

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oh yay, hiraki is here
he's solid, scum should fear

anyways, that wagon I can stand
so without further adieu,
VOTE: backhand

[MuttonChopMagic]

often I tunnel as a way of forming reads
when I'm satisfied i unvote; criteria that grendel meets

[MuttonChopMagic]

I considered his replies satisfactory
do you need a sentence by sentence reaction to see?
like, not sure what that question means
what about my reply did you not like g

[MuttonChopMagic]

I considered his replies satisfactory
do you need a sentence by sentence reaction to see?
like, not sure what that question means

what about my reply did you not like g

[MuttonChopMagic]

so to be clear
you have a good reason to vote yourself my dear?

[MuttonChopMagic]

I considered his replies satisfactory
do you need a sentence by sentence reaction to see?
like, not sure what that question means

what about my reply did you not like g

[MuttonChopMagic]

I had a similar feeling afterwards
for a basic reply too many words

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nobody is townreading me for my gimmick lmfao
but, whatever helps you sleep at night, rightyo

that's also not the answer to my question dude
what about my reply did you not like, and since you're fixated, what about accountants did you?

I'll answer your stupid question when you answer mine
give and take, ya feel, rhyme

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"But I'm also inclined to think DRK is trying to start a wagon to direct away from my read on them, as shit and/or personal as people might think it to be."

is

"But I'm also inclined to think DRK is trying to start a wagon to direct away from my read on them, as shit and/or personal as people might think my read on DRK to be.

Not sure can you explain this? DRK hasnt even voted you Im not sure how he is trying to start a wagon on you

@grendel

I don't know your alignment. You seem to want to get people playing and don't nitpick WIFOM details so far. Could be scum, but seem Town so far.

I didn't have time last night to point it out but, Unsure sounds like paranoid town right here. Plus his reads add up. If I’m a town read for him then it makes since from his perspective to suspect the two people most critical of my approach to the game. Realistically I find it unlikely that Klick x DRK would be a thing, but it does show that Unsure is thinking.

VOTE: DeathRowKitty

Feel pretty good about kitty being mafia. Either shit-town with anti-town agenda that wants to paint Townies as mafia or mafia just trolling along. Either way, don't think I'd miss her even as Town.

So that's your bright response? Tell me just not to scum read someone and act condescending?

Wow, scummy or just shit town.

Post like these really irk me however. I hate it when players justify a read by implying that "If there not scum then they're bad town". Its like distancing oneself from the cadaver.

The thing is that I see this behavior from inexperienced players trying to convince themselves and others that they are right. I used to believe that the behavior was scummy, but I never got enough evidence the indicates its a legit tell.

Any case its a read that Notsure is clearly emotionally invested in. I should look at DRK next to read her alignment before I start talking unsure about his read.

No, this is all wrong. Though yeah, I'm a little annoyed at DRK, but it's more because she is being hypocritical and dodgy, as well as Paul.

As I said to Paul
"If you know it takes time to judge a player's beginning behavior and DRK is doing the opposite, why is that not setting off any alarms, but my picking up on it somehow does? This makes zero sense."

His answer is "I don't scumread him". So he's not even addressing my concern. And taking the same scummy stance as DRK in doing so. Either one of them could you know, alleviate my concern instead of dodging it and implying that I'm dumb. But then they would actually have to participate.

Though admittedly, DRKs read of Gamma is pretty legit. Gamma is certainly playing in a way that keeps his options open and I find that a bit scummy. But I'm also inclined to think DRK is trying to start a wagon to direct away from my read on them, as shit and/or personal as people might think it to be.

I don't believe you actually read this post or if you did, you didn't take it seriously...but clearly I was referring to DRKs scum read on Gamma...

VOTE: NotTheRealPaul

Reason why: He's being dodgy and appears to half-ass pay attention to people he has put in the spotlight. It shows he's not really fully-invested in what he's saying and yes I do think he's scum.

rip I can't read my bad lol

I was attempting to foster discussion so I was skimming through the thread looking for something to do so. I apologize.

@backhand do I really need to have scum reads? I don't really know rn tbh. Maybe I'll go back and look at gamma, but on the whole I'm pretty sheepy like I said when I answered the RQS. If something jumps out at me I'll be sure to let you know.

Pedit: well great apparently me being genuine comes off as me being not genuine. IDEK how to respond to that really. Like you don't think its genuine, good for you. Your wrong but there isnt much else I can say there.

Second Pedit @backhand: I will say as far as MCM I tend to skim his posts because the rhyming and some of the wording confuse the shit out of me. Maybe I shouldn't but it hurts my brain sometimes to go back and figure out what he is saying.

VOTE: paul
hmu when you have scum reads and read my posts yall

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gross tone
im.not.gonna.throw.u.a.bone

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I'll answer your stupid question when you answer mine
give and take, ya feel, rhyme

That is fair.

If that was what I wanted to do it sure seems dumb that I'd also engage with them and try to understand their reads and thought process

And those few pages were bad, don't lie to yourself

I thought this was a good point, he has been doing a good job of engaging. And while I might not totally agree about the first few pages being bad (or maybe I've just been in very few "good" first pages), it seemed genuine.

Now, the same? You scumread grendel through a whole pbpa, why was all of that discounted?

And. . . yes paul, you need scumreads. Or, hell, since you've said a couple times you want to sheep people, I'll take townreads? Who do you want to sheep?

well, yea, on the surface a pbpa vote like that is pretty ironclad
but it was like page 10, probably full of confbias, and im still glad
it let me advance the game and develop a read on grendel
and due to being my case scum can't really meddle

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my klick read is from very little content very early so clearly it's not strong
but I believe building early wagons is pro town (hence wht I voted cheet) and him getting pushed for it was wrong
his quicklynch post is clearly not for real
but, a) scum doesn't usually post like that due to attention ya feel
and b) the fact it was taken seriously confused me
so, he gets to be green until something shows me otherwise you see?
and no, he can't just idle and keep that green
if he subs my read goes back to neutral and bleak

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whats pbpa?

post by post analysis boy
basically an iso on steroids

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okay okay so I have some good poe going
this should make the scum start showing
cheetory, accountant, klick, gamma, notsure as green
so that leaves 3/7 scum in {bigben, ccc, paul, backhand, raya, grendel, drk}, neat

not much has really changed besides grendel switching teams
VOTE: raya I don't remember anything from him it seems

let me redo this as a lynchpool for the day
I like ccc as town now and he should stay
{not mafia, backhand, Paul, drk, hiraki}
As of now I'm okay with lynching any of these

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any of those 5 wanna convince me they're town?
shrinking poe even more... I'd be proud

[MuttonChopMagic]

I'm not gonna spoonfeed how to get that far
certainly not by softing a pr

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I've played probably 100 games of mafia and never seen a true policy lynch happen
any player that bad quits or starts adaptin
not mafia is the kind of player i don't really like playing with
him "contributing" is pretty much a myth
I mean if you wanna go that way then sure, he is probably town
percentage wise... you can't read a player who intentionally doesn't provide content consistently you clowns

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no, we don't completely ignore him because he softed pr
if he doesn't do anything actually useful then he climbs the lynch bar
if he's at l-1 and claims something believable, that is when we lynch elsewhere
I am the only vote on him atm I believe, that's not exactly biological warfare
also, to get all altruistic and shit, but understand
we should not be teaching beginners softing having a pr after 1 vote = a good plan

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This indicates you aren't paying attention to things. It's a proven fact that scum don't have to read the Game as closely as they know everyone's alignment.

whoever told you this was wrong and bad at the game

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Interesting highlight Mutton. What kind of experience does Accountant have with this game?

I think he's the most experienced person in this game?
I'm up there, probably hiraki and cheet, even not mafia have many hours and thangs
HS is new tho so I guess a rome ic flopped, *shocker*
back to the game, my vote is staying on Paul atm, nothing new to pffer

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DRK and Cheet are both more experienced than me.

More votes on Backhand for his latest active lurk post would be nice.

drk... huh. not sure why I've never heard of him then.
anyways, my vote is metaphorically on both backhand and Paul my friend

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oh, I think I've played a game or two with drk, I understand
and I accept pauls awful ate for now,
VOTE: backhand

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I can already tell this game will be a pain
grendel, link me where rvs has caught scum mayn
drk, suck my left nut
klick I like but
drk not so much
it's ok though I'll be towns crutch
cheetory is town i think
drk is over explaining and being a stink
I like gamma for green
notsure what alignment not sure could be
I think Paul is getting too much shit
but wagoning a newb is fine, at least a bit

https://forum.starmen.net/forum/Storage ... l-Question
Its an offsite game, but used RQS and it helped me identify the players {Dipper, PigsmaskJames} There were other reads I got from it, but I'm not interested in doing leg work for you atm.

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=67181
Ironicly my own reads that I got from RQS were less accurate then Egg's observations. Egg called out Masquerade as scum, and was correct. RQS provided a start to that suspicion.

Not interested in sharing results from any games where I was not known as "Grendel"

Anyway, Your reads appear to be:
Town: Klick, Cheetory, Gamma
Null: Unsure
Getting too much flack: Not Puel
Scum: Grendel, DRK

Can you explain what Not Peul getting too much flack means for your read on Accountant? As they led that pressure.

let's do a pbpa before I sleep
rqs, fuck off creep
le hilarious shitpost, you should be a comedian
more buddying of cheeto, the votes should be stampedin
oh look, third post in a row about cheeto
and more buddying... not tryna repeat though
67 is pretty gross in a different way
inventing some b.s. about rqs catching scum today
the pedit itself is even worse I think
but people discredit lamist as a tell so I won't make a stink
oh look, he's not thrilled with me, nice reasoning bro
and now the reasoning in 92... gross
I'm detached from the game state? checking boxes? fuck off
your rqs is what made the "game state" aloft
95 wording is really weird
pbpa out, my vote stays herr

The crux of your case against me looks like "Grendel is Buddying Cheetory", "Grendel's reasoning is gross" and "Grendel is voting me, Belh!"

--Elaborate on why these things are scummy to you--

I'm not sure if it means anything AI yet, but I am interested at the contrast in tone between these posts and your first. I want to jump on it and say that its scum over compensating for getting called out. But part of me feels that your emotion is genuine in said posts.

DO you have much offsite experience Mutton?

this is where my read started changing - he provides examples with ranging

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What do you think of Mutten's OP. It read as super detached from the games state. More like checking a box for required partipation then genuine content imo

I disagree. Mutton's OP was perfectly fine. You probably mixed it up with Paul's OP.

I think that Not Paul’s worst offense was only partipating in the RQS and not commenting on the game state itself. Which is a moderately scummy reaction to RQS. His answers also seemed oddly insecure. The self vote is just null, and silly.

Spoiler:

First game here in a while. I'm aflutter with emotion!

@All

1. What is your preferred alignment?
2. On a scale of one to ten how collaborative a player are you and why?
3. How important is it to take other players personalities into account when forming reads on them?
4. What player do you have the most experience with on this roster?
5. What are you feeling as you enter this mini's D1?

1. Never been a scum but I want to play as one. I like knowing who is what alignment.

2. Im pretty sheepy but occasionally I try to form my own reads and fail miserably. Probably a solid 7.

3. Mehh. Personality can be faked. If you know them really well/played with them a lot then sure I guess you should take it into account.

4. I have very little (like none) experience with anyone but GE and muttonchop I am currently am in a game with.

5. Sleepy. Its 9 pm here and I need to wake up early. Gnight.

VOTE: NotTheRealPaul

I think what stood out to me about mutton was that he was incredibly detached his first post was, so much so that the points of discussions he highlighted looked stretched. His vote seemed less like, “I’m voting scum”, and more like, “I’m voting whoever is getting attention.” ei Cheetory

I guess standing back from them now Not Paul’s entrance looks as scummy as mutton’s entrance.

Muttons dynamic also started changing dynamically with his next posts. I'm gnawing on what that means currently.

I thought this showed genuine thought - if it's fake, I bought

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I was wanting to avoid RC, and Frogger as much as possible.

I could tell JR was predisposed to scum read me from the start.

RQS usually garners more attention then going off and scumhunting by myself.

and he explains why he didn't do it in that game which I like
although it shows a lack of fear over anyone in this game, at least light

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I really don't have the patience to engage with notsure's ignorance right now. Cheet, you have been drafted for mafia-explaining duty as the experienced player. Plz do your job.

Where have I been a dick?

suck my left nut. Why participate, if you're just going to be condescending? Dealing with me is part of the game snowflake. You know, you could actually address my post without being a douche. Your characterization of town skimming and not engaging is pretty dumb too. But feel free to gloss over it like you're special.

that is not being a dick to be blunt
you are in the wrong here, not accountant
you can't play mafia if you let it affect you like this when nothing serious has taken place
this is nothing close to actual personal attacks I've seen, so I would take some time to consider if mafia is the game for you if you don't retract the replace


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done buddying accountant now thanks a lot
nothing I feel a strong desire to comment on at this spot

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thought about it. not sure slot is close to lock town now I think
that's a gross replace, yes, but scum doing that there would be 1000 times more stink

[MuttonChopMagic]

why is cheetory a town read for you
both gamma and ccc an answer would b cool

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thought about it. not sure slot is close to lock town now I think
that's a gross replace, yes, but scum doing that there would be 1000 times more stink

1000 times more stink. . . is more likely? Less likely?

that would be a very dirty play if scum and since subbing removes you he wouldn't even get the metaphorical win in thoughts

so I don't consider it likely at all, the type of person who's oversensitive is typically not the type to take very low shots

[MuttonChopMagic]

not liking gamma much at the moment but with timing as it is
he's fosed me first so ill let it go for now due to risk of bias

[MuttonChopMagic]

slingshitwaffles/notsure being lock town
via the replace out wording and around

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Ugh, I'm pretty cool lynching RQS guy.

tell us more.

slingshitwaffles/notsure being lock town
via the replace out wording and around

So you think he's town b/c he requested to be replaced?

K I'm slightly townreading him

for?

maybe actually read my original post?
that's not what I said, no

[MuttonChopMagic]

I already town read accountant so idrc
but it's obviously purple you hillbillies

[MuttonChopMagic]

thought about it. not sure slot is close to lock town now I think
that's a gross replace, yes, but scum doing that there would be 1000 times more stink

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: gamma

[MuttonChopMagic]

I didn't say wagon him for softing pr to them
just that it shouldn't stop you from voting him if you scumread him

[MuttonChopMagic]

you never explained your mutton chop magic scum read
someone asked, forget who it seems

[MuttonChopMagic]

considering I'm you're strongest read that's a little weak no?
where does my tone look scummy? I'd still expect more for your strongest scum read though

[MuttonChopMagic]

oh i thought there were three gamma posts

that's cool

MCM - how do you feel about DRK's postings? mostly asking you this since you're probably here

gonna wait for him to catch up completely first, try not to forget
but he seems to have the exact same reads as me, not sure how to read into that yet

[MuttonChopMagic]

deadline is in a bit over 4 days
prodge, hurray

[MuttonChopMagic]

Also jesus, one of mutton or gamma please switch your avatar.

P-Edit: Why are you wanting to kill Not_Mafia?
Explain it to me like I'm stupid.

his argument is basically not mafia has proven to be utterly useless as a whole
to be entirely honest at this stage I have a lot of town reads and no strong scum so I'm not completely opposed

as for other lynches, I think id lynch a couple others
gamma, backhand, Paul ignoring the claim bother

[MuttonChopMagic]

not really opposed to a penguin slot rope
i don't overly scumread though, more of a null trope

[MuttonChopMagic]

my klick read is from very little content very early so clearly it's not strong
but I believe building early wagons is pro town (hence wht I voted cheet) and him getting pushed for it was wrong
his quicklynch post is clearly not for real
but, a) scum doesn't usually post like that due to attention ya feel
and b) the fact it was taken seriously confused me
so, he gets to be green until something shows me otherwise you see?
and no, he can't just idle and keep that green
if he subs my read goes back to neutral and bleak

[MuttonChopMagic]

thank you for the very useful reaction test.
this game I detest

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: nero

[MuttonChopMagic]

It's a fairly poor tell. It's when someone complains about their predecessor being scummy.

I've had plenty of success with it though it only works on new players that aren't aware of said tell.

The first time I subbed in a game I called my predecessor scummy
I was town, and like, I never believe in supporting tells that personal experience finds not funny

[MuttonChopMagic]

oh look, this is a thing
VOTE: gamma
brrring brrring

[MuttonChopMagic]

Consolidating Wagons
+ i scumread u and have already said it bagon

[MuttonChopMagic]

These are the reads that I went away with the other day:

Cheetory6, Gamma Emerald,

Slingshot, nero, MuttonChopMagic, NotTheRealPaul,

CCC, DeathRowKitty, ///// Not_Mafia, Penguin Power,

Hiraki, Backhand,

I want to lynch Backhand, but will consider compromising on {Not_Mafia, Penguin power, Hiraki}

Of the ones you would vote, the only one I consider a scumread is Penguin Power; Not_Mafia and Hiraki are null and Backhand looks Townish to me.

I can understand having Gamma on green - I thought he was Town too, until I figured out he'd swiped my readslist - but what's Paul doing so high up? Them and Backhand are, I think, the ones I find I disagree with you most about. (And myself, of course, but there I have privileged information proving my Townishness).

Oh, and MuttonChopMagic - thank you for changing your avatar to something not in use elsewhere in this game. It makes the thread a lot easier to read.

don't really wanna lynch hiraki
other 3 are tolerable, though would probably resist penguin-sani

[MuttonChopMagic]

hi
guu

[MuttonChopMagic]

okay cheet+grendel let's talk
break this game spocks

[MuttonChopMagic]

It really isn't.
We want the option to rewagon if we need to.
3 days is not much time for 2~ wagons to happen.

3 days is more than enough time
so, again, let's talk. grendel + cheet what are your reads rn and I'll give mine

[MuttonChopMagic]

okay, good, somewhat similar
I don't have drk or Nero that far from rope dinner
drk's catchup was alright, but idk, he parroted me a lot
and Nero is much worse for me, haven't really liked that slot

[MuttonChopMagic]

yea {ccc, ntrp, slingshot, backhand} are all new
and {not mafia, penguin, gamma, lesser degree hiraki} are being useless ducks too

like I said drks catchup was fine so yea he can stay
but nero? I guess we disagree today

do you see any reason to townread gamma tho?
he's pretty much done jack shit the entire game bro

penguin is at least on vla
gamma has actively prodged and been a jagoff today

there's too many people here I wanna lynch to be real
I still strongly believe waffles to be town from that sub my dears

[MuttonChopMagic]

hey del, could I get reads from you too before I pass out?
you haven't given solid reads in a while no doubt

[MuttonChopMagic]

hey del, could I get reads from you too before I pass out?
you haven't given solid reads in a while no doubt

drk*

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: penguin
stop being a jackass and start licking tobascus

[MuttonChopMagic]

constant sarcastic snipping is indeed
but that's ok, I forgive u, jeez

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: gamma

[MuttonChopMagic]

nero hasn't done anything except park on one of the easy lynches (PP).

I'd argue that the guy you want lynched is an easier lynch so project much? But EZ lynch=//=town so...Also I'm not even voting PP. Like if you are gonna shade thrown you should read up.

Who do

you

SR?

[MuttonChopMagic]

nero hasn't done anything except park on one of the easy lynches (PP).

I'd argue that the guy you want lynched is an easier lynch so project much? But EZ lynch=//=town so...Also I'm not even voting PP. Like if you are gonna shade thrown you should read up.

Who do

you

SR?

Reasoning?

you haven't posted a single relevant thought
you kinda have to like it or not

[MuttonChopMagic]

UNVOTE:

impress me you pea

[MuttonChopMagic]

im not adraid of u
but slingshot is town poo

[MuttonChopMagic]

im not adraid of u

wat
l
ol
i didnt even quote u there

but go on...sling town because?

sub bub

[MuttonChopMagic]

I don't really think waffles is trolling.
I think he's just like that.

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: nero

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: nero

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: cheet

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: backhand

[MuttonChopMagic]

no, he's not actually
I town read ccc
I null read nm, you see?

[MuttonChopMagic]

Grendel switching from pp, who noone seems to townread, to backhand

who definitely won't get lynched today

doesn't make sense. Grendel can actually campaign for a pp lynch if he tries but he chooses to park a vote somewhere irrelevant instead

you saying this means I am not moving my vote for the rest of the day
backhand is legitimately scummy, not one of two policy lynches and yourself babe

[MuttonChopMagic]

also, kraska, if backhand isn't getting lynched you are
i suggest you lay out exactly why he's town or vote him my star

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: pp

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: kraska

[MuttonChopMagic]

if you are town and voting ccc I advise you reconsider
he's town and this wagon belongs in the shitter

[MuttonChopMagic]

yea it does want off coz

[MuttonChopMagic]

There literally has not been a game where, as town, I haven't been able to make it obvious that I'm town when my head's in the game.

...this is a rare and powerful talent that I wish I had.

Teach me your secrets!

not if you only do it as town and as scum you get lynched quick as fuck
like, take thinkbig, fine town game but ALWAYS gets caught cause his scum game sucks

[MuttonChopMagic]

we should lynch kraska now
once he she flips scum I'll take a bow

[MuttonChopMagic]

im starting to remember why i quit mafia before, you two are being really annoying

Fair enough, but let me point out again that "frustrating" and "useless" are not necessarily scummy behaviours.

Yeah, but fuck it I'm on a one-man campaign to bring back the lurker lynch.

vote nero instead

sry but lolate
I don't rate

[MuttonChopMagic]

this is still scum. if you're gonna be passive aggressive to me fine.
xxx asked you a perfectly legitimate question and you're taking the copout. scum ate doesn't work on me, bye.

[MuttonChopMagic]

deadline in 21
literally any lynch would be fun

[MuttonChopMagic]

nah, there doesn't need to be. 21 hours is when we make sure there's A LYNCH OF SOME SORT... do I need to pray?
Kraska is not l-1 or l-2, you agree that slot is scum, voting ccc for the purpose of building a wagon is not something worth while this late in the day.

[MuttonChopMagic]

what other wagon are you thinking of?
this is not the time to be pussyfooting bruv

[MuttonChopMagic]

I can switch to kraska but I won't feel good about it

what other wagon are you thinking of?
this is not the time to be pussyfooting bruv

I replied in 2 minutes lol
this is not a good look at all

[MuttonChopMagic]

Nero and kraska being the two wagons is alright with me
but I voted Nero and nobody liked that, doesn't make sense ya see?

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: PP

5 hours left - at this point if we aren't lynching kraska we're lynching me.

this is scum
lamist bum

[MuttonChopMagic]

just saying deadline is three hours you cow
I don't give a fuck who we lynch vote someone NOW

[MuttonChopMagic]

so fucking vote someone and don't bitch about qol?
this is the setting where we ACTUALLY risk no kymvh hell

[MuttonChopMagic]

oh wut did I make a mistake? I thought it was gonna be deadline soon and we need the lynch. Thought kraska was the wagon but if its gonna be nero I might consider switching.

you are fine. that was a perfectly fine time to vote for any lynch. seems nobody in this game gets what to do in a pinch

[MuttonChopMagic]

all slingshot does is reply to people mentioning him, that's not exclusive to this game
now, kraska, stop abusing beginners and winning on ate. lame.

[MuttonChopMagic]

i didn't do that?
stop being whack

[MuttonChopMagic]

anyone up to flash wagon sling
tbh his town is awful and that's a thing

[MuttonChopMagic]

scum should've shot bulletproof
we could have a town roleblocker too
scum could have no killed to fake a late game doc claim
so no, we have no conf town, what does that mean to you?

[MuttonChopMagic]

the not sarcastic answer is yes, a doc is the most likely answer
but no conf towns unfortunately master
anyways, I have some thoughts on the wagon
mostly how it was a rushed counter to the one we need to lynch again

VOTE: kraska

[MuttonChopMagic]

UNVOTE:

kraska, let me ask you this
what's your read on me? answer can be piss
on a scale from 1 to 10 am I green
just quote this and answer with a number is what I mean
feel free to add more as well
if not then I'll also give all my penguin wagon thoughts from hell

[MuttonChopMagic]

hm well that is strange
I want to ask qs about your role but tbh that can wait til mass claim
I don't really understand what you're saying
but I reread some stuff and Nero is scum so you're probably town super saiyan

sorry cheeto no case for u
just a Nero lynch to do
VOTE: nero

[MuttonChopMagic]

I got what looks like a cop's inno on someone

this is a weird post by the way
I think kraskas softing a specific pr but I'll stop for lack of purpusefullness eh?

[MuttonChopMagic]

UNVOTE:

kraska, let me ask you this
what's your read on me? answer can be piss
on a scale from 1 to 10 am I green
just quote this and answer with a number is what I mean
feel free to add more as well
if not then I'll also give all my penguin wagon thoughts from hell

even though I reread the lynch and think you're green
I want an answer to this not to be mean

[MuttonChopMagic]

I am town and this makes no sense as a scum claim
did it explicitly say town? I'm fruit vendor and targeted you but that doesn't show alignment mane

[MuttonChopMagic]

well kraska is a fucking idiot for outing me but
i waited, no choice but to say I'm friendly neighbour, doc on me cunts
I had the option to deny and claim by, yea
but I have to ENSURE doc is on me and if I fake by they night not pick up on that
with fruit vendor i tried to five kraska an out
NOPE! couldn't take the hint *pouts*

doc, do NOT wifom and doc outside of me
it is essential I stat alive, i promise this is more than ego please trust my efficiency

ALSO, I have a 1x loyal modifier I used
kraska receives my action and is therefore conf town fools

I'm basically ic now which especially after gwtting a role i was excited to try is an extremely unfun role to be
thanks kraska! outed a strong town pr to scum when said pr was under NO PRESSURE AT ALL and killed the game for me

I'm like really not feeling this game anymore but I'll try and play still
not gonna sub but need to cool down and chill

[MuttonChopMagic]

nah not really cheet
she shouldn't have said anything in the first place, neat
then she doubles down on her claim
and refused to even take my fruit vendor bait, lame
scum would've had to know my role at that point
so your questioning didn't matter, yoink

[MuttonChopMagic]

UNVOTE:

kraska, let me ask you this
what's your read on me? answer can be piss
on a scale from 1 to 10 am I green
just quote this and answer with a number is what I mean
feel free to add more as well
if not then I'll also give all my penguin wagon thoughts from hell

Hey guys
Can you give me a list of roles that can redirect might actions and are also listed as "normal"? Coz I got nightactions I wasn't supposed to get

this is me fishing if she received my action due to loyal being a thing
this is her already saying way too much IMMEDIATWLY AFTER MY POST *ding*

[MuttonChopMagic]

dont worry, I'm more angry at the universe than you
mistakes happen and it's just a game.... just sad I couldn't play a rare role i was excited over too

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: waffles
stop being useless and only replying to scumreads on you
play the game and contribute shit too

[MuttonChopMagic]

post who you think is scum?
ask questions? respond to posts? anything less dumb

[MuttonChopMagic]

i think slingshot is scum
his play is not fun

[MuttonChopMagic]

i think slingshot is scum
his play is not fun

So I'm scum because you don't like the way I play?

no, I've met lots of new players that aren't the best
you're scum because 3veeyrhing you post is defensive and useless

[MuttonChopMagic]

I don't think you know transcend very well because this is not resembling of his play
of course I'll listen to a sling read if you have an actual case, but I think he's scum motivated today

[MuttonChopMagic]

you don't know me, but I know how to change my reads. I am always willing to hear cases indeed.

[MuttonChopMagic]

no, kraska and I are conf town and if you want to argue that you're a clown

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: nero

[MuttonChopMagic]

to quote my good man trump,
WRONG - have you recently hit your head on a stump?

[MuttonChopMagic]

you can completely disagree with global warming and vaccines if you want, it's up to you
you're objectively wrong, yea, but you have the right to be wrong! those comparisons should give my thoughts of ur play too

[MuttonChopMagic]

because i think youre not getting we aren't playing in Rome. I think you need a news flash because you will start making people mad.
when you leave rome it's no longer acceptable to play like horse shit and then blame everyone else for not being able to decipher scum from bad.

[MuttonChopMagic]

because i think youre not getting we aren't playing in Rome. I think you need a news flash because you will start making people mad.
when you leave rome it's no longer acceptable to play like horse shit and then blame everyone else for not being able to decipher scum from bad.

What's bad or not is a matter of opinion though.

And really?? I see people all the time play like crap out of Rome lol.

I've seen people get mugged outside of ghettos
does that make it okay for me to mug them? hell no

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: waffles

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: nero

[MuttonChopMagic]

HEAL: hiraki

[MuttonChopMagic]

hi giga byte trroubidar
dud u roll shcm t his game my pupitar?

[MuttonChopMagic]

for the record im usually good at leading town
not that that means much... and gigas green anyways not gonna put her down

[MuttonChopMagic]

largely depends on who mutton is..........

you know me, but don't worry about it
pm me after the game and I'll probs tell you a bit

[MuttonChopMagic]

also I agree with grendel in thst I town read accountant
but that said he could've easily been buddying me so idek it's a stint

[MuttonChopMagic]

for the record im usually good at leading town

Don't lie, Mutton!

trust b it's easy

[MuttonChopMagic]

Paul's pr thing was pretty likely town
I don't get why sling is town though, help me cone around?

[MuttonChopMagic]

also I think backhand us probably town
so there's a relatively small scum look and cheetory is included in it but not a lynch today I'll allow

[MuttonChopMagic]

today's lynch pool is {vedith, nero} for me
and slingshot but nobody else agrees

[MuttonChopMagic]

kraska sell me on cheet and ccc
both are town leans but neither are green green greem

[MuttonChopMagic]

I was mostly asking kraska. as an ic, if they can lock town them we know it's real.
cheet hasn't been overly active, and hasn't been all that helpful in gamesolving ya feel
sure, they haven't hit any real scum notes for me, not in isolation at least
but any experienced player can look town in isolation it really isn't thst hard my dear
cheet is probably town because there's scummier people in the game
but he's hitting scum tells thst have let me catch very good players before so I can't lock town him myself all the same

[MuttonChopMagic]

kraska, despite being an idiot you're being a good mason you
glad I didn't target nm like I was going to

[MuttonChopMagic]

wish I had a clear left to use on slingslot
alas, I thought

[MuttonChopMagic]

with outing me as friendly neighbour before
that was saying she's at least playing well recently (imo - flips pending of course)

[MuttonChopMagic]

cheet my man
what do you ypurself think of Nero can?

[MuttonChopMagic]

what are you thinking about?
as in, what from him makes you go town and what makes you pout?

[MuttonChopMagic]

I'm still thinking about it!

what are you thinking about?
as in, what from him makes you go town and what makes you pout?

[MuttonChopMagic]

heyy guess what I lied
I was gonna do some shenanigans but cheet claimed which is fine
my actual role is "two shot loyal friendly neighbour"
so now {mutton, kraska, cheet} are masons - have fun players

[MuttonChopMagic]

i kind of feel like hiraki or grendel would have been better investigations then unless you were deliberately aiming for town you didn't think would get nightkilled :/

mostly because grendel <3 but still lol

actually had a second look at the playerlist and ok i'm still nullreading way too many people

ccc and paul are now my only unconfirmed townreads

I had a plan that didn't happen cause of cheet claiming but
anyways, I was least sure on cheet and wanted to make a strong conf town core with no paranoia so scum are fucked

[MuttonChopMagic]

{mutton, kraska, cheet}
{gigabyte, ntrp}
{backhand}
{grendel, ccc}
{hiraki, vedith}

[MuttonChopMagic]

vedith, claim what you're a backup of
if not I'm roping you from above

also, scum didn't block me last night
either they blocked Paul and tried to shoot me or they don't have a blocker here
but... this setup seems really townsided so idk
at least us 3 are basically vanilla ics today

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: vedith

[MuttonChopMagic]

Hey. Phone about to die. Okay....that was a weird nightkill (???) But I appreciate it nonetheless <3

I still think that associations (or lack thereof?) Between grendel andnero were really damning and uhhh grendel's "I'm disengaged from this game" posts yesterday are making me hesitate....but I try to think of another plausable candidate for Nero scumbuddy, and nobody else comes to mind.
Backhand and Hiraki are way townier than grendel and I can't seriously consider lynches on them while grendel's still in the game

Vedith remains unreadable so we can rope that first of that's what the majority wants...and yeah I agree with what others said about this setup seeming too townsided with a backup

One thing we should look into is any notable change in interactions pattern between the time when nero first replaced in and was widely townread based on predecessor, and nero's associations towatds the end of day 1 when people were starting to suspect him. I will have decent internet access when I'm back at my hotel room after Tom, so this will have to waiti till then

disagree on hikari
backhand is town tho, scary

[MuttonChopMagic]

vedith can die but hiraki do3snt get a bye

[MuttonChopMagic]

Yeah but I'm right.

For what it's worth, you've got me pretty much convinced that one of you or Backhand is scum. So, my plan is to vote for you today and wait for the flip - if you're sum, then my next target is Grendel, while if you're Town, then my next target is Backhand.

Unless new information comes in or someone presents a particularly persuasive case, that is.

if vedith flips green I want hiraki before backhand I think
backhand is pretty townie... hiraki... is pink

[MuttonChopMagic]

I don't get this setup. As in, my role confirms a townie twice while ALSO confirming myself unlike cop
as we see now, I got outed day 2 and we /still/ have virtually confirmed town (short of a 4 person scum mini there's no scenario where were scum bop)
that itself is tremendous town power. if scum shot waffles and not a vig then I don't think there's any world that was optimal cause
now there's 3 ics and a free mislynch is dead... that's not even worth a pause
doc is on me tonight because you don't know my main but I have a near flawless late game voting record
I want vedith to claim because it's important and there are 3 more important targets regardless (3 ics tomorrow is game)
so yea, actually, everyone but doc should claim (claim vt @ doc) including the neighbour cause in the end one of us ics is gonna be the kill all the same


nobody claim until kraska and cheet respond to this
but otherwise vedith -> hiraki -> grendel -> backhand -> ccc -> ntrp claim (tsk tsk)

[MuttonChopMagic]

Or doctor dies tonight with whoever they have cleared still unknown? I really feel like it shouldn't be that hard to piece together things like this at this point.

If the Doctor has an innocent result within the {Hiraki; Vedith; Backhand; Grendel} group, then the argument could certainly be made that said info is worth it. But if the Doctor can only clear one of the pseudomasons, then it would be unambiguously NOT worth it (you three are already cleared). And it's even worse if the Doctor can only clear SlingshotWaffles...

Look, if I'm right about what Vedith is claiming, then the Towniest action right now would be to remove all votes from Vedith, vote for someone else (even if you think Vedith is scum, there must be a second scum), and to

shut up

about the whole business.

I don't believe any of those people would be docced n1 anyways
who was even widely townread? just me + cheet ay?

[MuttonChopMagic]

Can someone explain at my face why CCC is town?
I'm really not seeing it.

newb town play like that a lot
lots of words, little content, moderate thought

[MuttonChopMagic]

I don't get this setup. As in, my role confirms a townie twice while ALSO confirming myself unlike cop
as we see now, I got outed day 2 and we /still/ have virtually confirmed town (short of a 4 person scum mini there's no scenario where were scum bop)
that itself is tremendous town power. if scum shot waffles and not a vig then I don't think there's any world that was optimal cause
now there's 3 ics and a free mislynch is dead... that's not even worth a pause
doc is on me tonight because you don't know my main but I have a near flawless late game voting record
I want vedith to claim because it's important and there are 3 more important targets regardless (3 ics tomorrow is game)
so yea, actually, everyone but doc should claim (claim vt @ doc) including the neighbour cause in the end one of us ics is gonna be the kill all the same


nobody claim until kraska and cheet respond to this
but otherwise vedith -> hiraki -> grendel -> backhand -> ccc -> ntrp claim (tsk tsk)

why am i out of this?

oops
you're before ntrp boo

[MuttonChopMagic]

btw, if it wasn't clear
doc being killed wouldn't matter but them being roleblocked is what I fear

[MuttonChopMagic]

all conf town posted and no objecting so vedith
claim time, let's see this

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: hiraki

to see where that fake claim came from? easy
Paul claimed weak investigative, M.D. is common recently

nice try hiraki, but nah
mass claim continues but now you're top of the rope pile brah

[MuttonChopMagic]

I think u guessed Paul was motion detector (he might be, he'll claim later)
that's a fair scum guess based on a backup claim + weak investigater

[MuttonChopMagic]

yea still doing the claims and I might end up waffling back to vedith
for now the voting hiraki route is scenic

[MuttonChopMagic]

this is just to help people setup spec so no fear
neighbours are not prs and are not weighted period balancing wise ever with the nrg

[MuttonChopMagic]

pretty much. neighbours don't actually affect balancing for some reasons that you could pm someone for (mastina has a good post on it somewhere) if you really cared (repent!)
there's even some mods who roll the setup and role neighbours completely separate after so it /can't/ relate to alignment

[MuttonChopMagic]

I can't properly analyze the setup without knowing if we have an actual rolestopper/doctor claim.
I don't know if it's worth the claim... probably not? something had to have stopped any n1 maim
unless scum decided a n1 no kill gambit was worth faking /backup rolestopper/... seems unlikely as fuck
so idk... idk.. I'm confused and stuck

[MuttonChopMagic]

do not fucking hammer until I have time to post or it's a scum claim dopes

[MuttonChopMagic]

town!md and scum!bumd is possible and not something that should be discounted
it is a legitimate thing that happens. gives scum an edge on guessing what town power exists while adding some confusion that's amounted

I'll reply to relevant stuff in a bit cause right now I'm taking a shit

[MuttonChopMagic]

yeah you have my approval for a grendel lynch bros
I would like to vocally express something though;
I think grendel wagon grew WAY too quickly from nowhere at a weird time
I am p confident vedith + hiraki has at least 1 scum and id rather one of them (rhyme)
this is not like the scum vedith I stomped on and it is like the town vedith I have experience with
that said, hid cases have been AWFUL ("this vote is clearly bussing" and the like) and honestly I have a hard time believing town vedith is that bad and stiff

[MuttonChopMagic]

Vedith (1): Vedith

vedith vedith vedith! \o/

town!md and scum!bumd is possible and not something that should be discounted
it is a legitimate thing that happens. gives scum an edge on guessing what town power exists while adding some confusion that's amounted

I'll reply to relevant stuff in a bit cause right now I'm taking a shit

"warning scum: there is a motion detector in the town. be

very

careful"

maybe a tracker or watcher but i dont see why it'd be useful but ok

it gave a hypothetical scum!hiraki a fake
if that's not useful idk mate

[MuttonChopMagic]

easy way to test if rolestopper is a town role
if I die OR vedith doesn't receive my pm tonight (roleblocker - it would go through otherwise cause not loyal) then the rolestopper is scum and the world is whole

also, if the above happens, we probably need to rope vedith too
I still think he's scum but I'm leaving it for my masons who townread him like fools

[MuttonChopMagic]

easy way to test if rolestopper is a town role
if I die OR vedith doesn't receive my pm tonight (roleblocker - it would go through otherwise cause not loyal) then the rolestopper is scum and the world is whole

also, if the above happens, we probably need to rope vedith too
I still think he's scum but I'm leaving it for my masons who townread him like fools

You said not to hammer before you did things.
Are you still planning on doing things or no?

grendel is no longer about to be roped
I was going to tell people hiraki should be the lynch we chose

[MuttonChopMagic]

Vedith - this is the only one i'm willing to be wrong on. I don't see scum!Vedith coming out with a wagon and pulling his rainbow reads

rather than fakeclaiming something absurd

in order to produce a mislynch. I also have major problems with covfefe being scum based on reads.

all conf town posted and no objecting so vedith
claim time, let's see this

Oh wait, all confirmed said go.

I am town back up rolestopper.

[MuttonChopMagic]

Difference is I said mine first. Scum are more likely to claim a back up before someone else.
To you, Hiraki should be confirmed more town than me.

Vedith - this is the only one i'm willing to be wrong on. I don't see scum!Vedith coming out with a wagon and pulling his rainbow reads

rather than fakeclaiming something absurd

in order to produce a mislynch. I also have major problems with covfefe being scum based on reads.

all conf town posted and no objecting so vedith
claim time, let's see this

Oh wait, all confirmed said go.

I am town back up rolestopper.

easy way to test if rolestopper is a town role
if I die OR vedith doesn't receive my pm tonight (roleblocker - it would go through otherwise cause not loyal) then the rolestopper is scum and the world is whole

also, if the above happens, we probably need to rope vedith too

I still think he's scum

but I'm leaving it for my masons who townread him like fools

vedith is basically just spewing fallacies left and right
idk if it's him being scum or just cocky and ignorantlike

[MuttonChopMagic]

If Hiraki is Scum so is NTRP.
So No, I don't believe it.

Also town motion detector is a useless role for Scum without a counter role.

[MuttonChopMagic]

hey cheet wanna kill vedith or nah
not that it matters but day 3 isn't late game either brah

[MuttonChopMagic]

hot take
it's hiraki/ccc/Nero cain

[MuttonChopMagic]

hey cheet wanna kill vedith or nah
not that it matters but day 3 isn't late game either brah

So what day do you actually git gud?

when will u Git Gud and make a casectgat doesn't argue votes you don't like as busses
and now you think hiraki town for literally no reason... so what's your solve in this vedith world *cusses*

[MuttonChopMagic]

when will u Git Gud and make a casectgat doesn't argue votes you don't like as busses
and now you think hiraki town for literally no reason... so what's your solve in this vedith world *cusses*

So you can't answer when you actually git gud?

answer my questions. play the game like you aren't the best player to ever touch it. of course you are, but humor me.
and yes, there's a precise time I become God. page 6 of day 5 I will solve the game. that's how mafia works. see?

[MuttonChopMagic]

when will u Git Gud and make a casectgat doesn't argue votes you don't like as busses

and now you think hiraki town for literally no reason... so what's your solve in this vedith world

*cusses*

So you can't answer when you actually git gud?

answer my questions. play the game like you aren't the best player to ever touch it. of course you are, but humor me.
and yes, there's a precise time I become God. page 6 of day 5 I will solve the game. that's how mafia works. see?

[MuttonChopMagic]

I'm going to ignore your competency insults because I was on the scum lynch, argued against the mislynch, and successfully evaded a nk to use up my cop power after being outed by kraska via misplay
of course, i was probably rhe most widely townread player besides maybe Paul (?) before being outed as well. even with the low time ive had i have actually had an objectively pretty good game.
you however have produced a case with the worst conf bias ive seen in a while, are widely scum read, and haven't really contributed much relevant stuff. you're not having an awful game but it's definitely not "good" by any standards I've seen
you aren't a bad player, and obviously play review is pending until post game, but stop flinging insults and acting super cocky. it's not a good look whether or not you're green.

[MuttonChopMagic]

Vote Count 2.10 (FINAL)

Nero Cain (7): kraska77, SlingshotWaffles, MuttonChopMagic, gigabyteTroubadour, NotTheRealPaul, CCC, Nero Cain
Vedith (2): Backhand, Cheetory6
SlingshotWaffles (1): Hiraki
gigabyteTroubadour (1): Grendel

Not Voting (1): Vedith


With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

btw, scum!ccc looks more likely imo from this. from my experience self hammers usually have at least one other mafia bussing.
otherwise, mafia could hammer for town cred. it also allows less people to vote and therefore look slightly worse justly not being there voting (even if pushing).

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: ccc

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: hiraki

[MuttonChopMagic]

don't care as for the next few days I'm not around
I believe 2428 could.come from town

[MuttonChopMagic]

id rather we wait for vedith to actually answer my post
but then again, if this flips town vedith is probs scum and vice versa so :toast:

[MuttonChopMagic]

u have my blessing to hammer whenever :sun:
hiraki might self hammer but probs not :shrug: