Mini Normal 1919: Endgame

[Mulch]

Yay Klazam is scum

[Mulch]

What I'm confused about though is why they didn't kill you Boon, if you were a cop and the town would get a lot of information about your check

[Mulch]

Transcend - Mafia Goon
marshy - Vanilla Townie
Mulch - Mafia Goon
LaLight - Town Odd-Night Cop
FireScreamer - Vanilla Townie
Agent Sparkles - Town Neighborizer
Zulfy - Vanilla Townie
Ranmaru - Town 1-shot Novice Day Vigilante
FrozenFlame - Vanilla Townie
Ryker - Vanilla Townie
AdumbroDeus - Vanilla Townie
Tammy - Town Universal Backup
Gamma Emerald - Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof

[Mulch]

So yeah we had only a bulletproof and they had:

An odd night cop
A nieghborizer
A day vigilante
And a universal backup

[Mulch]

If dunker/fykus don't follow the 2F target plan, lynch whichever didn't.

Boon should have investigated me also.

Lynch this dude now please

He confirmed Fykus though

[Mulch]

lol

[Mulch]

That's actually hilarious lmao

[Mulch]

looool


THE IRONY HERE IS REAL LMAO

[Mulch]

TWOFACE not confirmed town


*Does a jig*

[Mulch]

what idiot fake claims Odd Night Cop two games in a row?

This seems susp tbh lol

[Mulch]

TWOFACE not confirmed town


*Does a jig*

[Mulch]

oh no

[Mulch]

OH NO

I CAN SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING

[Mulch]

NVm I thought I would have to be in Lylo, but we don't have to be

[Mulch]

If I was scum, Tchill never would have gotten lynched. I'm not one to feel bad about mislynching...

This sort of rings true

[Mulch]

If we lose this im gonna be angry

[Mulch]

It does actually make sense for scum!boon to go for fykus because it allows him to not confirm another townie while also giving an excuse to kill fykus tmrw

[Mulch]

Ok, I'm just going to put twoface in my confirmed town pool, and say that if they are scum they played the best game I have ever seen and you can have the win

[Mulch]

THREE POSSIBLE SCUM:

Empiricus
Boonskiies
Klazam.


TWO MISLYNCHES.

[Mulch]

He hardbussed two people day 1, yeah it would be

[Mulch]

I'm putting him as confirmed town

[Mulch]

Twoface we have 3 people possible and 2 lynches:

Epiricus,
Klazam,
Boonskiies

[Mulch]

UNVOTE:

[Mulch]

He hardbussed two people day 1, yeah it would be

I hardbussed 2 people Day 1. wtf are you talking about...

What do you mean. You even said Tchill was not an "optimal" lynch

[Mulch]

Also, Twoface is confirmed town because of the reaction I asked him if he was confirmed town, without him knowing if Boonskiees checked him or not

[Mulch]

Alright I'm okay with this . Boon or me die today, dont care,

as long as the other one dies tomorrow.

VOTE: boon

I'll say enp is likely town because game balance breaks if he's just a vanilla goon imo.

Let's do this.

He just scum claimed...

How

[Mulch]

I think Mulch is bussing. VOTE: Tchill

yeah, probably.

This pings me

[Mulch]

Alright, i finished reading the last few pages, seems tchill is prime wagon, so ill focus on that on my reread

I actually still think Carca is the prime wagon, but Tchill is probably the scum of the two, which is why he's becoming the prime wagon.

[Mulch]

oh, wait, I forgot Mulch moved back onto Tchill. I was wrong. he is the prime.

PING

[Mulch]

The one thing in Boon's favor is that I doubt he would be mega inactive as scum,


but then again I did read one of his scum games and he seemed sorta like it

[Mulch]

What if empiricus is a mafia power role

[Mulch]

Here is why I think Boonskiees is town. ASSUMING HE IS AN ODD NIGHT COP. WITHOUT him, he would have no need to "clear" the vanillaed guys. So, I doubt it would be the first conclusion that drops into his head. It would be so much easier for Boon to just act vanilla town and just do it. What's the MOTIVATION for claiming cop, and for clearing all the vanillaed guys?

[Mulch]

Like seriously, you guys need to go back to newbie games if you think it is at all possible for me to be scum here. Why the fuck would I confirm Fykus?

So you get rid of a power role and a clear in one fell swooop

[Mulch]

What if empircius is a vanilla goon

[Mulch]

VOTE: Klazam

Boon also gambits a lot as town

[Mulch]

I'm confused

[Mulch]

What if empiricius is the goon

[Mulch]

What if empiricius is the goon

@twoface

[Mulch]

I'm fine with being today's lunch if you, mulch, personally promise me that you hang boon tomorrow

But what if it's empiricus

[Mulch]

How do you know

[Mulch]

BOTH BOON AND KLAZAM ARE SO SURE it isn't the one that has been the most fucking scummy one out of all of us:

Empiricus

[Mulch]

He could be a mafia goon *cries*

[Mulch]

Even the HOST confirmed that it was a mafia goon the flavor, even though his explanation makes sense I was getting "yeah, your right for bad reasons" hosty feels

[Mulch]

VOTE: Empiricus

These nightkillls are usually level 1 at best.

[Mulch]

He's the only one scummy between you three.

Boon and Klazam are both townie.

[Mulch]

I just don't get why scum!boon would be so inactive early game

[Mulch]

IM SO CONFUSED

[Mulch]

My other thing implicating boon rn is that we already have TWO investigatives

[Mulch]

He is claiming to be a THIRD investigative

[Mulch]

@Mulch - there is absolutely no reason for ScumBoon to have cleared Fykus. Also, I was the one to bring up Empiricus being basically conf town.

Yes there is

[Mulch]

That's the thing

1) Meta=boon bad
2) Inactivity=boon good
3) The only one smart enough to do some convoluted path of vicotry=boon bad
4) Pushed HARD on scum= boon good
5) Scummy pings=boon bad
6) 3 investigatives=boon bad
7) Cleared all the vanillas=boon good.

WHY WOULD HE CLEAR THE VANILLAS knowing he would be lynched later if it didn't happen

[Mulch]

Replace me out. I'm going to get overly toxic.

Lynch me before it. I'm legit town, and I lied about targeting Fykus. I targeted Dunker. have fun.

What the fuck

^

[Mulch]

DONT REPLACE OUT. YOU HATE REPLACING OUT PEOPLE

[Mulch]

Lynch me before it. I'm legit town, and I lied about targeting Fykus. I targeted Dunker. have fun

[Mulch]

Lynch me before it. I'm legit town, and I lied about targeting Fykus. I targeted Dunker. have fun

[Mulch]

VOTE: Boonskiies

I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE

[Mulch]

NOOO

[Mulch]

Now fykus is not confirmed town

[Mulch]

Everything is ruined

[Mulch]

NOBODY IS CLEARED ANYMORE

[Mulch]

UNVOTE:

[Mulch]

I DONT UNDERSTAND.

NObody is cleared anymore

[Mulch]

NOT EVEN THE VANILLAS cause fykus could ahve lied

[Mulch]

WE ARE RUINED

[Mulch]

VOTE: Fykus

[Mulch]

I'm so done

[Mulch]

It's fykus or boon

[Mulch]

VOTE: Boonskiies

[Mulch]

ITS PROBABLY EMPIRICUS

[Mulch]

I think Boonskiies saying he is lying because he is scum

[Mulch]

I'm voting BOon

[Mulch]

IDGAF at this point

[Mulch]

HE PROBABLY DIDNT EVEN CHEKC ME

[Mulch]

IM PROBBLY NOT EVEN CONFIRMED TOWN

[Mulch]

IM So fucking confused

[Mulch]

NOBODY Is cleared

[Mulch]

It's probably empiricus

[Mulch]

He could have lied as town

[Mulch]

I'm not even confirmed town anymore

[Mulch]

I'm calmed down

[Mulch]

I think we should wait for empiricus, to see if he confirms with fykus that he is vanilla, now that fykus isn't confirmed town

[Mulch]

Imo it actually could be simple, we most likely don't have 3 investigative, so it's fykus or boon imo

[Mulch]

my concern is how fykus exactly can FAKE that as scum, unless they are a scum vanilla checker?

[Mulch]

UNVOTE:

[Mulch]

Umlaut plz belp

[Mulch]

Sorry you replaced into a scum slot who's getting lynched.

Not neccecarily, don't listen to him

[Mulch]

I'm tempted to hammer so badly

[Mulch]

But I want to elicit a promise from TwoFace to Nolynch if I am alive tmrw

[Mulch]

Cause a nolynch is neccecary

[Mulch]

@Twoface can you PROMISE me you will do that?

[Mulch]

Umlaut plz belp

I don't know how to belp.

Also um I'm town so don't kill me.

I'm prob about to hammmer you, because Boon sort of gamethrew if he was town

[Mulch]

Umlaut plz belp

I don't know how to belp.

Also um I'm town so don't kill me.

What's your role btw

[Mulch]

Fykus could be the scum as well -_-

[Mulch]

What's the POINT of a vanilla cop if most of the mafia are vanilla

[Mulch]

That's what I'm thinking

[Mulch]

VOTE: Fykus

[Mulch]

Miller's are told they are millers?

[Mulch]

VCA says TwoFace is scum

[Mulch]

I thought it was the opposite :/

[Mulch]

Also I am confirmed green @Umulat

[Mulch]

VCA says TwoFace is scum

I vaguely feel that way too but I don't have an actual theory to back it up, just a vague sense of "I kind of want to look into TwoFace after doing that." What's your basis?

He didn't bus, unless ALL THREE bussed...

[Mulch]

plz put me as lock town cause I'm lock town

[Mulch]

Actually I think NOT putting me as lock town is a townslip?

[Mulch]

VOTE: TwoFace

[Mulch]

Wait but he has to be vanilla

[Mulch]

I think it's Fykus @TwoFace

[Mulch]

UNVOTE:

[Mulch]

I feel like Umlaut may have scumslipped

[Mulch]

He indicated he hadn't really read the game before he came in but he just admitted he did

[Mulch]

TBH the gambit is totally boon

[Mulch]

yo mod are fake hammers allowed?

[Mulch]

yup

[Mulch]

I DONT KNOW lol

[Mulch]

I"m completely lost this entire game

[Mulch]

@umlaut you have 3 peolle that refuse to move their vote off you and I don't have enough confidence to try and pull them away. I'm about to hammer you. Do you have any last thought?

[Mulch]

Like 3 people that SWEAR your mafia and I'm at like 50%

[Mulch]

I'm worried lol

[Mulch]

Yeah.

[Mulch]

Eh. I'll wait to hammer for at least a little. No rush

[Mulch]

If your town I blame boon for not checking Twoface

[Mulch]

Or ANYONE but dunkerdoodles

[Mulch]

I mean dunkerdoodles was fucking the most townie

[Mulch]

Why would you check him

[Mulch]

What I'm confused about though is why they didn't kill you Boon, if you were a cop and the town would get a lot of information about your check

[Mulch]

What I'm confused about though is why they didn't kill you Boon, if you were a cop and the town would get a lot of information about your check

what idiot fake claims Odd Night Cop two games in a row?

This seems susp tbh lol

[Mulch]

Here is why I think Boonskiees is town. ASSUMING HE IS AN ODD NIGHT COP. WITHOUT him, he would have no need to "clear" the vanillaed guys. So, I doubt it would be the first conclusion that drops into his head. It would be so much easier for Boon to just act vanilla town and just do it. What's the MOTIVATION for claiming cop, and for clearing all the vanillaed guys?

A

[Mulch]

Also, would scum!boon be so disinterested in the game early game?

[Mulch]

But the coincidence of checking dunkerdoodles is so insane

[Mulch]

I BLAME BOON

VOTE: umlaut

[Mulch]

Lynch targets:

1) Fykus
2) Empiricus
3) Klazam
VOTE: No lynch

[Mulch]

VOTE: Fykus

FUck it

There is ZERO way town has 3 investigative roles

[Mulch]

Gunsmith, Odd night cop....VANILLA CHECKER TOO?

[Mulch]

VOTE: No Lynch

This is objectively the best move though

[Mulch]

Some colored-in VCs (blue means "innocent if you believe me," green and red mean "flipped that color"). Not sure if I got anything out of them, but I spent the time doing them so I might as well post them.

End of day 1

Tchill13

(7):

Boonskiies

, Fykus, Empiricus,

Sergtacos

,

Carcalilly

,

Mulch

, Klazam

Sergtacos

(4):

Dunkerdoodles

,

Tchill13

,

Vedith

Carcalilly

(2):

Branson

, TwoFace

Mulch

(1):

Trivium

Not Voting

(0)

End of day 2

Trivium

(6): TwoFace, Fykus, Empiricus,

Sergtacos

,

Trivium

,

Mulch

Sergtacos

(1):

Boonskiies

Not Voting

(3): Klazam,

Dunkerdoodles

,

Branson

End of day 3

Branson

(5):

Boonskiies

, Fykus,

Dunkerdoodles

, Empiricus, TwoFace

Fykus

(1):

Mulch

Not Voting

(2): Klazam,

Branson

[Mulch]

WTF is this. BOTH MAFIA BUSSED day 1?

[Mulch]

Klazam might be the right lynch here

[Mulch]

Fykus and Empiricus got on early

[Mulch]

But I will leave it for you guys to decide

[Mulch]

No lynch is the best option


Honestly I think it COULD be empiricus as well

[Mulch]

Cause they could also kill someone else

[Mulch]

And people can analyze my kill, except not really

[Mulch]

VOTE: No lynch

[Mulch]

Goodluck. Try to logic it out. I think that Empiricus and Fykus have been hugely more scummy in nature than Klazam, but VCA shows that Klazam only hopped on at the last second

[Mulch]

I honestly would vote Fykus a lot of the time lol

[Mulch]

I just don't get the point of having a gunsmith, AND an odd night cop, AND a vanilla checker

[Mulch]

Like the gunsmith and the vanilla checker do the same thing

[Mulch]

Like what even is the point of gunsmithing someone to see if they are a power role and ALSO being able to vanilla if they have a power role?

[Mulch]

VOTE: Fykus

[Mulch]

Klazam, I will lynch Fykus here

[Mulch]

[line][/line]I don't understand why we would have 3 investigative roles, 2 of which do the samet hing

[Mulch]

Gonns appear as vanilla according to wiki

This is pinging me, because if he was really a vanaillizer wouldent he have checked this WAY before the game? I would have

[Mulch]

VOTE: branson

I'm gonna trust you on this one boon.

Taking off blame

[Mulch]

VOTE: tchill

if that is the way the winds are blowing, let no one say I don't also blow

an L-2 vote on Tchill just because the winds are blowing that way?

this is the only thing you posted on that page that looks anything like a question?
assuming you mean this its a quote from the simpsons

This is huge too

[Mulch]

Ok, so I'm a 3-shot vanilla cop.

n1: taco - vanilla - chose him because he was the counterwagon on day 1.
n2: emp - vanilla - after trivium flipped town I figured this would probably be the next reasonable lynch candidate.

1 shot left. open to suggestions

[Mulch]

UNVOTE:

[Mulch]

I'm gonna let the non confirmed town make the moves

[Mulch]

I wanna see if Fykus checked you and if he got a power role for you @Klazam

[Mulch]

Emp's been objectively the most SCUMMY out of everyone

[Mulch]

Ok. Fuck.

I'm suddenly not confident on emp. Why would a vanilla cop (assuming mafia) invesigate, find vanilla, and shoot him.

Also the taco kill on n2 so cleanly implicates emp.

Well we are also treating vanillas as sort of clears, so...

[Mulch]

I want fykus to answer that directly.

Answer what sorry?

VOTE: emp

Couldnt there be some way to prove my claim with my last shot tonight?

This feels towny as FUCK

[Mulch]

You and Empiricus just sound so much more fucking manipulative than Fykus

[Mulch]

Also in Fykus's fakeclaim mind does he really think of THAT? Unless he's a mafia vanilla cop, which would make sense...sigh

[Mulch]

VOTE: No Lynch


I actually don't know who I would pick if I was killed.


I am like equally unsure about all 3 of you. Klazam, your most manipulative and keep bringing up the sergekill. Empiricus, your most scummy and the sergekill. Fykus, you don't make sense with your claim.


I would probably vote Klazam tbh but there is also something that really made me think they were townie earlier... *sigh*

[Mulch]

I'm going to say that my lynch order would probably be:

1) Klazam
2) Empiricus
3) Fykus

[Mulch]

If I were scum, why wouldn't I keep pushing for fykus?

keep options open for LyLo

[Mulch]

But your post about how it's you and fykus only sigh yesterday felt too oBVIOUS to be a wolf

[Mulch]

You just FEEL scummy Klazam...

[Mulch]

And you don't seem to feel the dread I am feeling, you seem way too excited

[Mulch]

Like the way you keep saying "fuck" it dosent feel genuine

[Mulch]

Like you feel the need to EXPRESS an emotion but dont know how so you keep saying "fuck"

[Mulch]

And your blatant buddying of me

[Mulch]

VOTE: Nolynch

[Mulch]

You're town. What the fuck am I supposed to be doing?

That's true lol

[Mulch]

HELLO MAFIA PEOPLE: PLEASE KILL ME IN THE NIGHT. This isn't reverse pyschology, I just have zero idea who the last scum is lol

[Mulch]

Like I'm completely split 50-50

[Mulch]

33-33-33

[Mulch]

ye

[Mulch]

If your in LyLo don't quickvote, read over ISO's and consider all optiond

[Mulch]

ThinkBig your probably laughing your ass off rn

[Mulch]

Oh god. Just thought of a lylo scenario mafia could put us in that would be a nightmare here.

what

[Mulch]

Why

[Mulch]

Town to scum

Klazam, boonskies
Branson, vedith, Trivium, TwoFace
Dunkerdoodles, Fykus, empiricus
Carcalilly, Mulch
Sergtacos

[Mulch]

Taco you're doing me a concern ^

How?

I'm aware that I'm tunneling but you're the only one with enough posts to make something solid out of so...
This is about you,

Sergtaco

~ Also threw in a little bit of advice in there because why not

Topic: Klazam Suspicion

23- RVS vote
40- Saying that they're lurking??? (IMO: He's mentioned it many times with Klazam, yet, he hasn't mentioned anyone else who's lurking.)
60- Possible explanation as to why he's getting at them. ("Fight me"?)
124- A vote and scum read without evidence. (Low-key red flag )

IMO: Could this be a scum bussing attempt? Are you trying to get at Klazam? Why be persistent on it, especially with that vote in their absence? They have

one RVS post

.

Topic: Scumhunting

53- Initial show of strong opinions on scumhunting
63- He doesn't "believe in scumhunting" (IMO: It's a reasonable belief. However... keep reading)

IMO: You can consider scumhunting as NAI, but please don't emphasize being against it, as it can be discouraging. We want people to scumhunt, town or scum, because it STILL reveals information. Also, maybe focus on the

results.

This post is a highlight of my results, talking and questioning you was the hunting, for example.

Topic: Lightheartedness

!Now, I don't have anything against lightheartedness, but I just wanted to take this into account.!
IMO: Your posts have been very lighthearted, and I honestly enjoy talking to you because of that. However, I'm not going to ignore possible alt motives.
-I know that posting lightness can help emotionally when you are feeling heavy or guilty. Do you anything to feel guilty about, Taco?
-Provides distraction, keeps the game from moving forward.
-Appeal to emotion. Act friendly and get on people's good side.

Topic: Self Defense

A quick thing, but when I question him, he tends to turn it back against me.
84- A vote after a clash of opinions.
127- I'm suspicious of someone, and I'm "just saying that to look town"? Don't turn to that, that's a very easy and typical defense.

Defend. Yourself.

VOTE: Sergtacos
For now.

Anyway... someone else please come it. I don't like tunnel battles.

This could be a bus!Klazam post, cause he didn't vote him, but still.

[Mulch]

I'm bored and I want to place my vote on someone

Strong Town: Trivium, Empiricus

Town lean: Dunkerdoodles, Tchill, Klazam

Null: Boonskies, shuffleplay, Brandson

Scum lean: Fykus, Tacobutt, Mulch

Strong Scum: None...... Yet

Fykus, any original substance on that Mulch vote?

[Mulch]

I'm bored and I want to place my vote on someone

Strong Town: Trivium, Empiricus

Town lean: Dunkerdoodles, Tchill, Klazam

Null: Boonskies, shuffleplay, Brandson

Scum lean: Fykus, Tacobutt, Mulch

Strong Scum: None...... Yet

Fykus, any original substance on that Mulch vote?

Rules of 3

[Mulch]

Scum lean: Fykus, Tacobutt, Mulch

[Mulch]

Yet he only pushed Taco and me

[Mulch]

Town lean: Dunkerdoodles, Tchill, Klazam

It's suboncious... but would he really put his two scum partners next to each other?

[Mulch]

What is rules of 3

1/3 are scum

[Mulch]

'sup folks, this'll be fun!

VOTE: Klazam
Why do you want to fight the taco? I wanted to be the one to fight the taco!

this pinged me. the fact that I see the rest of his play scummy as well just heightened the read anymore. That post alone would have had me put him as null-scum.

I think Branson is scum, and if we flipped him and he flips scum, I'd probably raise you up to green. If he flipped town, you'd probably stay where you are for now. This isn't to say that if he's town you are 100% scum or anything, as I don't see it that way. I just see a high chance of Branson flipping scum, but I realize that we're not even 40 pages into the game yet, and most of the game was just Taco.

I've played a decent amount with 2F.

Uhm... You sure it's not your gut acting up? I really dont see anything pinging at all about that post. It's an introduction post. And RVS........

And I assumed that from your post. Honestly, I have a slight town read on Branson, and it's probably because of how he plays it's... Like me, almost. Like, we want to get he pressure on. Right now. Pressure is the best way to get scum to slip. Scum slipping is the thing to go for, not just "this sounds kiiiinda scummy to me but interpretations blah blah blah".

I think this confirms that he is not partners with Empiricus, considering how they bussed earlier in the game

[Mulch]

UNVOTE:

[Mulch]

Also I've been getting a bad gut feelin' from Fykus for some reason,, if u didn't see my questioning before, it exists man.

Fykus, are you actually busy or? Your reasoning seems to be bare minimum if not absent in a lot of your points.

This is bussing distance

[Mulch]

Also doodles and Fykus have hardly anything on them wth?
The only thing against them is mostly gut. :/

Also thats a VT claim by Tchill right?

Hardgroup

[Mulch]

Mulch, tell me, are you high or on something? because your play is completely different from other games i skimmed your iso in.

This is one of the only interactions with Klazam

[Mulch]

STOP USING LOGIC IT IS RELFECTIVE OF SKILL LEVEL NOT ALLIGNMENT

still ignoring.

Why though?

and this

[Mulch]

Also doodles and Fykus have hardly anything on them wth?
The only thing against them is mostly gut. :/

Also thats a VT claim by Tchill right?

Hardgroup

Both scumbuddies mentioned in the same post?

Nope, dooodles wasn;t scum lol,

[Mulch]

Well I've made my case there's not much left I can say. Klazam why are you voting with you're scum read? You literally have the 2nd best post in the game and you're going against it.

also i gotta post that. I feel so bad for Tchill, he was trying so hard, and the illogic brigade just comes in and demolishes him.

This REALLY pings me for Klazam scum

[Mulch]

LIke I feel like Tchill made this the most OBVIOUS distnacing attempt in the entire world from Klazam

[Mulch]

VOTE: Klazam

[Mulch]

I don't want to nolynch.

Klazam, I'm all businesess right now. Can you explain what your "theory" the mafia would do is.