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[Mulch]

I'm here

[Mulch]

Never fear Mulch is gonna save u

[Mulch]

DAMN I WANTED TO BE FIRST

Hi dunkers! Hi skitters!

Quick question for you. Are you purposely stalking and signing up for the same games as me?

VOTE: Skitters

This stood out to me as a bit akward first post, like the tone seemed overly enthusastic

[Mulch]

DAMN I WANTED TO BE FIRST

Hi dunkers! Hi skitters!

Quick question for you. Are you purposely stalking and signing up for the same games as me?

VOTE: Skitters

please unvote. Skittles is town.

This was weird to me

[Mulch]

Hi Paul! Hi Eddie! Hi Dunker!

Hi everyone I don't know!

VOTE: Paul for being in like all of my games <3

@mod/everyone: always v/la on Shabbat and Jewish holidays!

I've been in all your games as well (either as a player or as a mod) why did you choose to vote Paul over me?

I like this thought process from TB

[Mulch]

please unvote. Skittles is town.

Eddie knows this because he's scum.

VOTE: Eddie Cane

I mindmelded with the push but for some reason I think it's scummy in this case

[Mulch]

Hi Paul, Hi skitter, Hi TB, Hi rb! Hi other people i don't know!
VOTE: paul for always scumreading me when im town

YOU DID THE SAME THING THO

Also, I'm sorry. *hugs*

Weird

VOTE: Paul

Disclosure: Zero idea about the votecount right now

[Mulch]

Paul is town
Dunker is town

No

[Mulch]

Also full disclosure I have no idea how to inject myself into banter when I don't know anyone, so until I have something game-centric to discuss Imma be awkward af.

This is scum
VOTE: sunlit

I can see this, but I disagree

[Mulch]

Also full disclosure I have no idea how to inject myself into banter when I don't know anyone, so until I have something game-centric to discuss Imma be awkward af.

This is scum
VOTE: sunlit

I don't appreciate the way you marked SD as scum

,

because I don't know anyone yet either,

so I feel awkward too..

VOTE: Sunlit Diamond because oh my gush, Dunker already found one?!?

The italics are fake and the bolded is LAMIST

VOTE: Unabombah

[Mulch]

please unvote. Skittles is town.

K, how are you so certain of that right now?

Towny reaction.

VOTE: Perfect Fifth

Non-RVS

This is scum

Sheep me to victory thx

You have good tone but your pushes are atrocious. I think you could be scum.

[Mulch]

Also full disclosure I have no idea how to inject myself into banter when I don't know anyone, so until I have something game-centric to discuss Imma be awkward af.

This is scum
VOTE: sunlit

I don't appreciate the way you marked SD as scum, because I don't know anyone yet either, so I feel awkward too..

VOTE: Sunlit Diamond because oh my gush, Dunker already found one?!?

This is scum as well

Ok, finally

[Mulch]

Nothing I say or do is scummy. Do better.

I think Perfect is a better lynch because, although both are kind of awkward, Unabombah's awkwardness feels personality-based and Perfect's doesn't.

I like this, a lot.


but less so cause i know it's mario

[Mulch]

47-50 made me laugh harder than they shouldve

pedit: okay who should i bus? u tell me

pedit: OMG DUNKERS I FEEL SO BETRAYED

pedit: u guessed wrong it was uma

VOTE: perfect

I never bus

So weird

[Mulch]

Sunlit probably town

Ok, I'm feeling you now. It feels real.

YOu can not be scum anymore

[Mulch]

I believe ive seen it. Thats ur number one skill I think

U just need to figure out how to turn that into an asset. Lord knows how u'll do it but maybe there is a way?

pedit: lol uve played a scumgame? i feel like that would just be so funny. Like scum caught page 2. no offense

Towny a little, not too much

[Mulch]

I kinda want to go back to my Dunkerdoodles vote here.

except i'm town as confirmed by rb

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles
You're approaching this entire thing way too awkwardly. Instead of helping rb and making reads / generating reactions, you're just sitting back and agreeing with everything he says. I get that this isn't entirely serious, but it's also not what I'd expect from town.

pedit:

Bad

Scum

[Mulch]

Paul, Una, Mario

[Mulch]

VOTE: Ausuka

Good, same thought as me

[Mulch]

wavemode is town

Fucking mindmelding. Your town.

[Mulch]

Hi everyone!

VOTE: UnaBombaH

Good

[Mulch]

I kinda want to go back to my Dunkerdoodles vote here.

except i'm town as confirmed by rb

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles
You're approaching this entire thing way too awkwardly. Instead of helping rb and making reads / generating reactions, you're just sitting back and agreeing with everything he says. I get that this isn't entirely serious, but it's also not what I'd expect from town.

pedit:

So, I kinda agree with you and disliked 45 for Dunker's blatant sheeping of RB and for just listening to everything he says, except that he did the exact same thing in our last game and I deathtunneled him for it to the point where I almost got him lynched; he was a PR and got saved at the last minute by his claim. So, since I know that I have trouble reading him specifically, and that I made a mistake reading him last time for a very similar post, I'm going to be a bit more cautious this time around and wait for more content before I form an opinion.

What's the point of this?

[Mulch]

please unvote. Skittles is town.

K, how are you so certain of that right now?

Towny reaction.

VOTE: Perfect Fifth

Non-RVS

This is scum

Sheep me to victory thx

K, why?

An

d how certain are you about your other proclamations regarding people's alignment? Are they RVS jokes, statements you're making to look for reactions, or do you actually mean them?

This is LAMIST and bad

[Mulch]

@skitter30/wavemode: It

could

simply be a matter of personality or playstyle, in that Dunker is choosing to sit back in the early-game. However, I feel like him abandoning his (presumably serious?) vote immediately to help rb is somewhat suspicious, and posts afterwards like 61 make me feel like he's trying to get on rb's good side. It's weak, but right now, I don't have anything better.

I feel like I understand where Sunlit's coming on so I'm giving her a tentative townread.

@Unabombah; This game follows the Normal Guidelines that you can find on this wiki page.

Fakeable and bad

[Mulch]

let's have more votes for perfect filth

this is the optimal town strategy

K, you're going to have to explain why if you want me to follow you here.

Bad

[Mulch]

The fact that Dunker switched votes three times does not sit well with me, but I also don't much enjoy the "Well he gets scumread super fast on the regular" commentary.

I don't get the push on perfect at all. It looks like it was based on one three word post and I need more than that.

Good mindset, but you are wrong. Dunker most likely town.

[Mulch]

@skitter30/wavemode: It

could

simply be a matter of personality or playstyle, in that Dunker is choosing to sit back in the early-game. However, I feel like him abandoning his (presumably serious?) vote immediately to help rb is somewhat suspicious, and posts afterwards like 61 make me feel like he's trying to get on rb's good side. It's weak, but right now, I don't have anything better.

I feel like I understand where Sunlit's coming on so I'm giving her a tentative townread.

@Unabombah; This game follows the Normal Guidelines that you can find on this wiki page.

I know, and I'm getting the same vibe as you, except he did the exact same thing in our previous game and he was town. And since I know I have trouble reading him, and I wrongly scumread him for dong the exact same thing as he did here, I'd rather wait for more content before I try to read him.

This^

Dunkers comes of as scummy every game I play with him and I have misread him so many times that im hesitant to scumread him so quickly.

In Open 691 (I think) Jungle Republic I ended up deathtunneling him and in response he deathtunnelled me and we both wasted a day or 2 on that.

I think Paul is scum and this would spew Skitter town. But it could be the other way.

[Mulch]

rb can be town for now.

VOTE: Ausuka

Good

[Mulch]

rb can be town for now.

VOTE: Ausuka

This is scum

Yes. Town will be very sorry if they loose me.

So is this

Powerlynch

Possible coming from town but bad

[Mulch]

Explain your townlean on Ausuka

Because I like 70 and 90; they seem like she's trying to understand the motivation behind Dunker's posts and is thus trying to sort him.

Towny thoughts but wrong

[Mulch]

Vote Count 1.10

Thor665

(3): Eddie Cane, rb, Dunkerdoodles

Sunlit Diamond

(3): Thor665, MarioManiac4, wavemode

MarioManiac4

(1): Sunlit Diamond

Mulch

(1): NotTheRealPaul

Not Voting

(5): UnaBombaH, ThinkBig, skitter30, Flavor Leaf, Mulch

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-08-06 20:05:00)

Mod Notes: Dunkerdoodles on V/LA until Sunday, 7/30

Fast forward to this votecount one of the two wagons (sunlit) is town and Mario is scum, which means we are off to a bad start

[Mulch]

So I caught up and Paul stands out as scum to me a lot. Feels like he's just trying to sheep Rb, who's seeming to be stepping up as the town leader like role, and then he's just joking around everywhere. To be fair, we're page 6, but that's where I'm at right now.

VOTE: NotTheRealPaul

Confirmed town

[Mulch]

VOTE: flavor leaf

all aboard the flavor train

Anti-mindmeld, but I guess how you can think the thoughts are fake

[Mulch]

nice false bravado

but actually even-more-serious-than-previous-vote

lynch train all the way 2 da bank

uh no

[Mulch]

So I liked Wave's comment on Dunker being fine and the comments he made on the Ausuka.

UnaBomba's probably scum. Her posts are awkward as hell.

Mindmeld

UnaBombah

[Mulch]

VOTE: Unabombah

[Mulch]

Why is this scumfuck not a wagon?

[Mulch]

So I liked Wave's comment on Dunker being fine and the comments he made on the Ausuka.

UnaBomba's probably scum. Her posts are awkward as hell.

First of all, I a dude. Hot as Bill Gates.

Second, Im not awkward, Im just misunderstood.
You can susp. me all you want, but you may not lynch me. I do not want that.

The reason Im not shouting my reads, is because Im not good at making them.
I mainly work with logic and analysing other peoples interaction with each other.
For example, Flavor Leafs reaction pinged me as forced, but I dont automatically shoot my vote there.
I also dont like to speak these kind of smaller things out everytime something comes up, I like to collect more of a case before I set my mind. Everything before that is just me trying to bait reactions etc.

So Im a newb who has read too much Christie.

Super LAMIST but I feel NAI right here, maybe slightly towny

[Mulch]

I still like unabombah for lynching and I don't get why there's votes on perfect fifth.

RB is obvtown and sunlit diamond is suspicious

3/4

[Mulch]

So I liked Wave's comment on Dunker being fine and the comments he made on the Ausuka.

UnaBomba's probably scum. Her posts are awkward as hell.

First of all, I a dude. Hot as Bill Gates.

Second, Im not awkward, Im just misunderstood.
You can susp. me all you want, but you may not lynch me. I do not want that.

The reason Im not shouting my reads, is because Im not good at making them.
I mainly work with logic and analysing other peoples interaction with each other.
For example, Flavor Leafs reaction pinged me as forced, but I dont automatically shoot my vote there.
I also dont like to speak these kind of smaller things out everytime something comes up, I like to collect more of a case before I set my mind. Everything before that is just me trying to bait reactions etc.

So Im a newb who has read too much Christie.

this is a town post

Eh I can see it

[Mulch]

oh wow that's thinkbig

might have to rethink this

but probably still scum

so you think he's scum crumbing PR for towncred?

ya

it's just rly lazy + shitty play

and if he's actual a powerful PR that was by far the most worstest thing to do

im fine with the lynch

I'm kinda conflicted on PF's crumbing post.

If he's a PR, I dunno exactly why he decided to crumb here? He was under some pressure from you, but he wasn't exactly in danger of being lynched right then. Except this is a thing that I know he's done before.

If he's scum, well, he certainly achieved his goal of WIFOM, but the post is under quite a lot scrutiny, and I dunno if he would want to start the game off by drawing obvious attention to himself via bold-faced lie.

I don't think I'm supporting a lynch here right now, since I think he might, you know, actually be a PR.

I agree with this thoughts but why these long ass posts

[Mulch]

@Sunlit: What are your thoughts on rb right now?

wtf? why sunlit

[Mulch]

why is nobody scumreading me

Lamist but towny

[Mulch]

@Perfect Fifth; Why would you claim PR at this point in the game?
@skitter30; That's interesting. I think I found the game you were referring to (Newbie 1797?) Your case in Dunker was because he couldn't give reasoning for his vote and unvoted when pressured. Although it does show that Dunker can be scummy as town, I don't think that's the same as what's happened this game; he wasn't pressured, but he voluntarily gave up his vote and stopped scumhunting while appealing to rb.

I still agree with pretty much everything SD is saying and I have a townread there.

I don't really like 131- it feels like busywork. I don't like 140 either. It just seems like there's no actual good reason to self-vote there; it could be a sarcastic meme, but it's just way too awkward, especially since they haven't unvoted yet.
I don't really like Ciara's fixation on Unabombah. He looks like town so far and she's basically used her vote on him to avoid pushing or actually doing anything other than a few statements. I could vote there. (I have no idea why my reads are so similar to rb's.)

I feel like NTRP isn't that suspicious. Sure, he hasn't done that much, but he took the step to call Una scum over PF and has contributed @ Dunkerdoodles.

I'd be willing to vote in {Ciara24, Dunkerdoodles, Flavour Leaf} at this point in time.

This is confirmed fucking scum

VOTE: Mario

Super confident here. Holy fuck

[Mulch]

What a fake ass post

[Mulch]

Skitters u stole what I was gonna say about tb.

UNVOTE:

I was gonna pist this last night but halfway through my post my phone got taken away.

So I wake up in yhe morning and skitters has already mentioned how TB crumbs PR when he really shouldnt as town. So yea based iff that I think hr is town for now.

@Ausuka I dont believe I ever said uma was scum. I was joking about the whole bussing business.

Im a little wary of skitters rn as she isnt as aggressive as her town game normally is but its also only page 8. The thing is, her town and scum games are annoyingly similar except for how aggressive she is.

Worthless, scum post

[Mulch]

Also all Ive seen about FL is like a tonal scumread. I hate those bcuz I tend to get SRed bcuz tone/feels fabricated whrn town. So im not gonna be following anyone else based off tonal stuff.

Anti mindmeld

[Mulch]

THIS IS L-1 until he stops voting himself.
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Declare intent before hammertime etc etc

Towny

[Mulch]

VOTE: flavor leaf

I support this hammer.

hm

[Mulch]

Well, no, I didn't have a "top one." I had a top three. I was thinking of voting Flavour Leaf, because he was the one with the biggest wagon, but I ended up forgetting to do that, and corrected it in a later post.

The current wagon speed isn't AI for me.
@NTRP; Do you think scum would have had time to effectively build a counterwagon? If the answer is yes; who is scum on the wagon who opts to be on it instead of counterwagoning?

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


Why is this a thought?

[Mulch]

The squint stems from me being not at all used to hammers happening so quickly and having no idea how to interpret it.

8 pages and around 36 hours is unusually quick for you?
Also, you made your comment prior to the hammer, so this is not a valid answer to my question. Can you try again?

Scumfucky

[Mulch]

pedit: thor was that sarcasm? please tell me that was sarcasm

It was not, and Penguin knows it.

Eddie can be an exceedingly soft town lean at the moment.
So can Una unless Flavor flips scum, in which case lynch this with fire.
Don't have a good feel for the Asuka slot yet.

I'd be okay with the idea of flipping Paul or Sunlight (preferring Sunlight)
Would still like to flip Flavor most of all.
Anyone have hammer intent?
We should get a hammer intent.

@Thor

I want an explanation for this post.

[Mulch]

The scumteam is Thor666, Sunlit Diamond, and Ausuka.

is this a joke? or do u have real reasoning for it?

Horrible

[Mulch]

If anyone hammers FL without declaring intent and giving him a chance to claim or make final statements they are confirmed scum.

I'm feeling you right now.

[Mulch]

@Perfect Fifth; Why would you claim PR at this point in the game?
@skitter30; That's interesting. I think I found the game you were referring to (Newbie 1797?) Your case in Dunker was because he couldn't give reasoning for his vote and unvoted when pressured. Although it does show that Dunker can be scummy as town, I don't think that's the same as what's happened this game; he wasn't pressured, but he voluntarily gave up his vote and stopped scumhunting while appealing to rb.

I still agree with pretty much everything SD is saying and I have a townread there.

I don't really like 131- it feels like busywork. I don't like 140 either. It just seems like there's no actual good reason to self-vote there; it could be a sarcastic meme, but it's just way too awkward, especially since they haven't unvoted yet.
I don't really like Ciara's fixation on Unabombah. He looks like town so far and she's basically used her vote on him to avoid pushing or actually doing anything other than a few statements. I could vote there. (I have no idea why my reads are so similar to rb's.)

I feel like NTRP isn't that suspicious. Sure, he hasn't done that much, but he took the step to call Una scum over PF and has contributed @ Dunkerdoodles.

I'd be willing to vote in {Ciara24, Dunkerdoodles, Flavour Leaf} at this point in time.

Vig or cop this slot

Or we lynch day2

Mindmeld

[Mulch]

One of perfect/ausuka is scum

They aren't scum together

We are both town

[Mulch]

One of perfect/ausuka is scum

They aren't scum together

We are both town

First scum motiviation you've done.

[Mulch]

Oh wow

Sunlit Diamond is REALLY SCUM on re-read

VOTE: Sunlit Diamond

Your back to scum.

[Mulch]

thought processes are scummy

lmao so true

[Mulch]

Oh wow

Sunlit Diamond is REALLY SCUM on re-read

I went back to reread ready to prove this wrong and came back empty handed. There were a few posts I liked that seemed to be kinda gamesolving and then a lot that was just comments on the game if that makes sense.

VOTE: Sunlit

What

[Mulch]

One of perfect/ausuka is scum

They aren't scum together

can u explain this? I know u dont like to explain but indulge me?

wtf

VOTE: Paul

[Mulch]

Wagons on scum just don't form this quickly.

How do you feel about the Sunlight wagon, which...formed rather quickly last I checked.
What makes it different?
And, if not different, why are you still voting it?

Scum

[Mulch]

@Ciara; Why do you believe Wavemode is town? Also, if you don't believe Unabomba is scum (hence the unvote), who is scum?

@wavemode; Is this really the reasoning you thought was worth hiding for so long? All it is is me making a comment and SD agreeing with it.

{Ausuka}
{NotTheRealPaul, skitter30, Unabombah}
{Thor665, Sunlit Diamond, Perfect Fifth, Eddie Cane, rb}
{wavemode, Ciara24}
{Dunkerdoodles, Flavour Leaf}

scum

[Mulch]

@Thor; Rb is null because I don't really see any reason to townread him. Mostly he's just making statements without evidence; i.e "this is town." and "this is scum." I don't think this is indicative of town or scum. I liked his earlier pushes {PF and FL} but I don't like his later pushes {me and SD} and that's all I actually have to base my read on.

If he was scum why would he abandon the push on Flavour to start a new push on Sunlight.
Literally the only way that makes sense is if
1. He and Flavour are scum buddies.
2. He decided to aggressive push and then pansied out.
or
1. He's scum who is scared of being on a lynch wagon...so started a new alternate lynch wagon.

Neither explanation seems too likely, wouldn't that make him less likely to be scum and, thus, more likely to be town?
Am I missing something,

or do you disagree with my logic?

Bolded is a scum line.

[Mulch]

and how do you know scum have daytalk

how do you know scum dont

At this point your continuation of these types of posts are overdoing it and it seems like you have an agenda.

[Mulch]

I disagree that I was only commenting on the game and not trying to solve it; I was asking questions and gathering information, and it's intriguing to me that as soon as I mentioned the wagon on flavor formed quickly (in my experience, which is apparently uncommon), that wagon then immediately transferred to me. Easy bait, much?

I still think Paul is scum. Wavemode, too. Thor might just be aggressive, but meh. Ciara's posts are less than helpful, plus she thinks Una is suspicious and wavemode is town which immediately gives me a red flag. rb might be leading us by the nose, but I've still got him in my town pile at the moment. I had nothing on eddie, but now I think he's town.

Finally, I think self-voting is ridiculous.

Towny

[Mulch]

rb has far more content to go through and balance my read than Ciara does.

So, because he's done more, you scumread him more than people who aren't doing spit, even though you don't find his actions scummy.
Doesn't that seem illogical to you? Theoretically people not doing things should be at a lower level than someone who *is* doing things you don't find pro-scum, yeah? It's like you're describing why scum should lurk as a strategy, shouldn't you be avoiding that?

This is scum pushing town

[Mulch]

Thor, that's not accurate. I don't automatically read people as town; I townread Skitter from her early content, and she hasn't done anything to make me doubt my townread of her, which means I don't have to analyse her as closely (there is only evidence on one side of the argument). I'm somewhat lost as to what alignment rb could be, so I've considered that more.

Scum

[Mulch]

Paul is town.

Thor could be scum, who knows. Not sure how he's a better lynch right now than SD though, or the scumlord vulpix.

Explain this

[Mulch]

meh. Fuck it. VOTE: wavemode

Still open to being converted to the Thor wagon. then Paul can ride it by default.

Why is wavemode scum exactly?
I find his reads terrible, but his actions feel pro-town to me and he at least feels like he's trying to gamesolve in some manner.

So scummy

[Mulch]

Thor, that's not accurate. I don't automatically read people as town; I townread Skitter from her early content, and she hasn't done anything to make me doubt my townread of her, which means I don't have to analyse her as closely (there is only evidence on one side of the argument). I'm somewhat lost as to what alignment rb could be, so I've considered that more.

Scum

This is not a towny mindset.

[Mulch]

Prodding Perfect Fifth

Bad

Likely scum

Mindmeld.

[Mulch]

I'm not purposely misrepresenting, that is legitimately the only thing he's referenced me in.

I will agree that you showed that he talked about you.
However your initial claim was that he used a double standard and judged you as scum for holding two opposite opinions - you have failed to show that he did this at all. The closest you got was claiming that 'since then you've changed your mind'. Okay, let's say you did...how does that affect his read on you prior to the mind change? It doesn't have to, and he could quite legitimately feel that you changed your mind to appease him, and he also assuredly never called you scum for holding the opposite opinion - making your claim that he did a lie/misrep as I said.

I think we all have different definitions of pro-town.

Like, I define pro-town as things that help town.

For example, FL's self-vote? That helped town. If you don't see why then you're not paying attention to what's been happening in the game.

I will agree with your definition but not your application.
A random speed wagon with no claim asked for before hammer on Day 1 can hit scum - that is pro-town results without pro-town play.
Even if you think the self vote helped town via providing info (which I'd debate), it doesn't make it pro-town to have done in the first place. It might be pro-town results, it was not pro-town play.

Maybe first towny post?

[Mulch]

We're starting to flounder around with side vanity projects - I think people should consider voting secondary or tertiary scum reads if it helps consolidate wagons.

I'd much rather get a L-1 and claim now, so we have time to discuss said claim and potentially run up another option, than to wait until five hours before deadline for a derp rush where we end up hammering without a claim.
I know this goes against site meta, but I'm a rebel.

LAMIST

[Mulch]

Spoiler:

Una then how do you feel about Sunlit Diamond?

UnaBombaH monologues, part 2.

Also full disclosure I have no idea how to inject myself into banter when I don't know anyone, so until I have something game-centric to discuss Imma be awkward af.

I think this was a post someone might jump on, but I can actually relate to the feeling

to some degree

.
And since she has been actively posting later, I think this particular post is very much NAI.
Not maybe the best way to start a game, but NAI.

I find rb's blanket statements off-putting and difficult to respond to. I don't know if I think it's scummy or just a personal issue.

Dunker felt like he was just playing along.

Personally, rb reminds me of another player on this forum who off-puts certain kind of players.
Their behaviour doesn't ever mean anything alignment-related as far as I can tell, but I bet it's always a good shroud to use as scum too.

UnaBombaH or sunlit are both fine lynches for today

I'm not a fine lynch by any means.
I would argue that me dying is pretty bad for my teams wincondition.
Claiming role: TEAMPLAYER

Curious phrasing there.

I do not know how SD read this post from me, but I'm almost 100% certain she read it to mean something.
Well, it pretty much meant nothing, because whatever my alignment would be, dying is always bad for my teams wincon.

And in the weird scenario where she actually thought I claimed or clumsily crumbed a PR here, its always bad for a townie to point it out to others by quoting. -1 from this post, just for that.

The fact that Dunker switched votes three times does not sit well with me, but I also don't much enjoy the "Well he gets scumread super fast on the regular" commentary.

I don't get the push on perfect at all. It looks like it was based on one three word post and I need more than that.

+1 for this post. Worded my thoughts at the time well enough.

Yes. Town will be very sorry if they loose me.

This is my least favorite game strategy ever, though I admit my opinion is largely based on offsite meta.

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I'm WIFOMing the hell out of the crumb post.

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I think my WIFOM is coming down on the side of PF wouldn't be that dumb and I want to see what he's up to before he hangs.

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I'm way more interested in Una than I am PF at this point.

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I was referring to his super vague "I'm a team player" post, but if you think he's hot by all means, go for it.

Now this chain, I did not like. -1 for this.
Because if I understood this correctly, SD hates the "strategy" of softer than softly claiming PR/importance to team -> decides its OK for Perfect Fifth to do it -> decides that I sort of did it with my "super vague" post, and scumreads me for it? Not fair. Also my post was clearly a joke, we all know us Jesters can't be teamplayers.

Good scum can fake townreads better than town players can make them themselves, Una. At this point his targets are pretty easy money, too.
If he is scum, the holes in his reads will become apparent as time passes.
I liked what you had to say about Flavor and Ciara, Ausuka.

This was another moment where I became worried about Ausuka, now in conjuction with Sunlit.
Because I feel like this post gives me a flavor of Ausuka+Sunlit talking in day chat and thinking I'm a good townie to pocket..?

Er. Why am I being voted for?

Give me a few to catch up, I've been out since yesterday.

-->

Spam-voting me isn't going to do a damn thing to get me to process faster on a work day.

=panicky when voted? NAI, but good to know for potential future use?

I still think Paul is scum. Wavemode, too. Thor might just be aggressive, but meh.

Ciara's posts are less than helpful, plus she thinks Una is suspicious and wavemode is town which immediately gives me a red flag.

rb might be leading us by the nose, but I've still got him in my town pile at the moment. I had nothing on eddie, but now I think he's town.

The bolding is my own - HOLD THE PHONE.
I'm now really starting to think that Ausuka+Sunlit could be a thing.
They are arriving at the same conclusions in similar timings, and very similarly did a turn on reading me town/wavemode scum. How?

I don't like this but could be town

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Thor why are you so unfathomably out-of-character and disengaged in this game?

Making lots of non-posts, clarifying small or overall irrelevant things about other's posts or just asking questions or just gaslighting others by stipulating what does or doesn't make sense - while offering no real purposeful reads or insights of your own creation?

That's rhetorical, it's because you're scum.

I like this, some meta to back up his already scummyness

[Mulch]

Why are you answering for other slots

Because a lie/misrep doesn't require a valid answer from the person being lied about/misrepped but does require it from the person doing the lie/misrep.

What, I'm supposed to wait for someone else to call it a lie/misrep before I can question it?
That makes no sense - why would that help?

Scum lol

[Mulch]

Thor why are you so unfathomably out-of-character and disengaged in this game?

How many games of experience do you have with me exactly?
How much have we talked about theory?
I don't think you know me as well as you appear to be claiming to.

Making lots of non-posts, clarifying small or overall irrelevant things about other's posts or just asking questions or just gaslighting others by stipulating what does or doesn't make sense - while offering no real purposeful reads or insights of your own creation?

I have offered multiple reads, and I disagree with you that my questions are meaningless.
What subject/person do you think I'm avoiding/not giving an opinion on?
This is empty blather.

Scummy

VOTE: Thor

[Mulch]

Thor's word usage triggers me but I want to see if his actual content is good or not

[Mulch]

Vote Count 1.08

Sunlit Diamond

(3):

Dunkerdoodles

,

NotTheRealPaul, Thor665

wavemode

(2):

Ausuka,

Sunlit Diamond

Ausuka

(2):

Perfect Fifth, wavemode

Thor665

(2):

Eddie Cane, rb

Flavor Leaf

(2):

Flavor Leaf

,

UnaBombaH

NotTheRealPaul

(1): s

kitter30

Not Voting

(1):

Ciara24

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-08-06 20:05:00)

Mod Notes: Dunkerdoodles on V/LA until Sunday, 7/30

[Mulch]

This is why the site is in the garbage, people lack the ability to read.

This used to be the smart guy site for Mafia.
*sigh*

Rb, you're next - prep up your massive meta awareness of me - I want the list of our games and examples to how I "normally" play.

Idontlikethis

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Guess what?
Wavemode's case on me is entirely composed of bullcrap.

The first laughable assumption he made was that voting someone without giving your reasons is sheeping. By that logic, most of wavemode's content in the game has been sheeping. I gave my reasoning. PF's tone felt scummy and awkward at the time. And no, strictly game-related content isn't needed to judge someone's alignment, as long as they have a Role PM.
I wasn't "dismissive." I explained my concerns. Being dismissive would be saying "I don't really care about your meta." which isn't scummy in itself actually. What I did was literally disagree with a point that was made. Is that supposed to be scummy?
I like how wavemode is arguing that I have a fixation on someone on Post 90. It's amusingly wrong in ways that I shouldn't have to explain.
If you're going to scumread people for voting for weak reasons, wait until there's a weak vote outside of RVS.

Literally every one of wavemode's "points" is gasping at straws to try and make his earlier scumread seem valid without re-evaluating. I'm 100% happy with my vote.

THIS CANT BE MARIO LMFAO

[Mulch]

No, I've got Flamethrower and I'm going to destroy your scumteam with it.

HORRIBLE

[Mulch]

All of those statements are completely useless.
I didn't want to lynch PF over one post. I thought PF was a better RVS wagon.
I didn't feel "so strongly" about scum!dunker. I had a theory. I don't see why it's incorrect, or why my reasons against the counterarguments were incorrect. Even if you do believe that, you're literally scumreading me for disagreeing with you. What a case. It's not like you had anything better. Your only scumread was because you felt I was "grasping at straws" to get a scumread. But without doing that, I never get anywhere.
Dunkerdoodles actually never participated more independently. I don't know where you came to that conclusion. The only thing I could notice is saying "I think wavemode is scum" without actually doing anything with that one statement, which is scummy distancing if anything at all.
I'm pretty confident in wave!scum because you're trying to push a mislynch confidently on really, really, really weak logic, and everything you do is shaped around your """theory""" of Aus/SD without actually participating or doing anything useful.

Townyish

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(Apologies in advance, I have a tendency to wall).

I would like to point out I called leaf dude town with no reasoning and his wagon died. wow. I'm good.

Yeah, reading through this kinda confused me.

I'm a) uncertain where the wagon came from and b) uncertain how it dissipated so fast.

Rb starts (138) it by declaring FL to be scum. However, he declared like four other people to be scum within the first few pages, so I'm not sure why this push gained more traction?

FL then votes for himself (140). Uh, why exactly? It's anti-town to vote for yourself. I know it's a thing that people do, but I never really understood why. You were on your own wagon when it got to L-1 ffs. If you're scum, thanks for helping us almost-lynch you? And if you're town, what the heck are you doing being the second vote on your own L-1 wagon? I don't really see any motivation for him doing this as either alignment. And I just checked the latest vote count . . . and he's still voting for himself. It looks like he hasn't checked the thread since then, tbh.

Please unvote. And your thoughts on your wagon would be appreciated.

Not sure why Eddie voted, tbh. (159). Wait, continued reading. He's doing it for reactions (171).

I dislike Thor's vote (182). He says he wants to lynch FL in order to give us stuff to analyze. It seems like he's willing to vote FL regardless of his alignment in order to generate those reactions. Why not vote for someone you think is actually scummy instead of voting for the sake of having a speedlynch?

Ausuka's vote (184). Seems like she's voting here because there happens to be a wagon there. She did say she had planned to vote earlier (between Eddie and Thor), though, and I agree that the self-vote was awkward and that FL's major contributions (130, 131, 151) are kinda flat.

I'm a little bit uncertain about Unabomba's vote. I can understand why he doesn't like 130 or the self-vote, but since he said

For example, Flavor Leafs reaction pinged me as forced, but I dont automatically shoot my vote there.

I'm not sure why he suddenly decided he was OK with placing FL at L-1? The only post Fl made in between is 179, and I don't see why that would be enough to change your opinion?

Eddie fake-hammers via a revote (191), and then declares FL to be probably town (210), and then switches his vote to . . . himself (221)). ??? I know he self-votes, so I'm not reading too much into that. What I'm confused with here is why Eddie suddenly declared FL to be town despite voting (and fake-hammering via revote) him earlier, especially when FL didn't interact with anyone between Eddie's original vote on FL and Eddie's fake-hammer and Eddie's self-vote.

Dunker hops on with a naked vote. (228). Wow, so much reasoning here. I wish people would, like, explain why they're voting people.

Wavemode declares FL to be a mislynch (229). Um, why are you so sure here? This, in conjunction with 238 kinda make it seem like you know he's town? Why exactly do you think FL is so useful here? FL is kinda null to me. He made a couple observations (130, 131, 151) and self-voted, which is at best anti-town, especially since he was on his own L-1 wagon. Since it doesn't look like he's actually checked the thread since then, being on his own wagon is NAI to me atm. However, his comments were relatively shallow and would be easy for scum to fake. I haven't seen enough from him to actually justify lynching him, but I don't see anything here that screams town to me either.

And then the wagon dies for reasons that I don't fully understand.

rb moves to Sunlit Diamond, and a bunch of people follow him. Again. I'm kinda surprised that so many people are following him tbh. He throws out reads with little reasoning or explanation, and he seems to have a bunch of followers with every new vote he makes. I need to go through this later to see if there's any interesting patterns here; kinda seems like scum might be exploiting his pushes with how quickly these wagons seem to be building.

I'm not finished catching up yet, will continue later today.

P-edit: FL showed up while I was writing this lol. Yeah, it looks like he hadn't actually read the thread between now and then.

This triggers me

[Mulch]

UNVOTE:
I need to try and gather my thoughts tomorrow.



{rb} ------------------------------------------------(style of posting makes hard to read, but seems to be doing his own exotic style of gamesolving)
{Thor665, wavemode} ----------------------------(townleanish, happen to have similar reads as I do and post rather regularly)
{Eddie Cane} --------------------------------------(null, style of posting makes hard to read. Sheeps rb a bit too much to my liking.)
{NotTheRealPaul, Perfect Fifth, Dunkerdoodles} (these are scumleanish/null, but not much content lately)
{Ciara24, skitter30} -------------------------------(scummish, don't feel like enough relevant content for me to be able to read, might be just my weakness)
{Flavor Leaf} ---------------------------------------(gut-feel scummy, not much solid to go on, this is the one slot that might change a lot in a few days when I ISO him more)
{Sunlit Diamond, Ausuka} -------------------------(my favorite candidates for the ScumDown Tag Team Championship, they still need a third to get a faction going)

These types of readlists usually come from scum but this one rings true.

[Mulch]

Meh, I'd vote Thor if it came down to it.

Ausuka's the better lynch.

Town

[Mulch]

K, I just read through the Thor/Eddie thing. Thor is obvtown (albeit a tad abrasive) and I have no idea why people are scumreading him or voting him.

I think their whole spat was Eddie misreading Thor's posts, which stemmed from not realizing Thor was linking to his profile, and not to a wiki page about a scumtell as Eddie seems to believe.

Spoiler:

"thor is getting scumread for following the wiki"
Y'know, HOW IS IT POSSIBLE MY PERFECT PLAN TO GET TOWN READ FAILED

Thor legit wrote the articles he quoted. He's playing the town strategy that he espoused years ago. He wasn't complaining that he was getting scumread for following the wiki. He was complaining that he was getting scumread for playing the way he believes town should play, as seen by the fact that he actually took the time to write a wiki article on the subject.

my first claim is that only wiki tells matter according to thor. as you see in 445, I bring up the very reasonable point; I said that the wiki is not the only way to scum hunt. then, in 447, we see thors reply; "by that logic every post is scummy". aka, I said that things can be scummy that aren't wiki tells, and his reply is that everything can be scummy in thst case. aka, omgus, use wiki tells newb.

Again, you're not actually listening to what he said. Your first claim is that 'wiki tells matter according to Thor'. This claim is unfounded; Thor never said that. Yes, I agree that wiki tells are not the only way to scumhunt, but Thor was linking articles that he wrote describing what he believes to be pro-town and anti-town behavior. He wasn't advocating that we should be following linked wiki tells or anything.

stop scumreading me. this is fun! earlier in this thread, thor said, paraphrased, "I cannot fathom how anyone could scumread me". lol. moving on, tho, 409 and 446 both basically just omgus and call myself and rb bad for scumreading thor. he attacks the users, as opposed to the premise.

There is no OMGUS in 409, and he doesn't call anyone bad in that post. And while he does get rudely frustrated with you two in 446, he doesn't actually scumread you anywhere as far as I can tell. In fact, in 464, he indicates that he

doesn't

think you're scum.

the cool one. vote on the wagon I want you to. this is along with the top of 409 saying he is voting the largest wagon. and, in 405, he tells us to consolidate on a wagon. he basically just used a work around to convince us to sheep him. calling it a "secondary scum read" is utter bullshit, considering it's who you're voting and those words are meaningless. this isn't even subtle, he's just telling us to sheep him.

??? He's doing exactly what he said he's doing - he's voting for his scumread, and said that instead of voting for their main read, people should try to consolidate on a secondary read so that we can use the time we have productively. Like, he doesn't want a lynch at deadline, which I totally get because those tend to be panic-fueled and often lead to people making hasty decisions under pressure. He wants us to try to consolidate a wagon *now* instead. As far as I can tell, he isn't actually even pushing anyone to vote *his* wagon. So I dunno why you're accusing him of asking people to sheep him.

I don't actually think you're intentionally misrepping him. I think you just didn't understand what he was trying to say and that you two were having two different conversations.

So, no, I am not voting Thor with you.

Ok. I think this is the first time that THor could be town, cause Skitter is TMIing him town.

[Mulch]

WHy does Skitter keep making a POINT to say how MUCH they are doing and when they are doing it, it's unnatural

[Mulch]

tl;dr: wavemode is town, rb is town, thor is probably town, if thor is town, eddie is scum (and vice versa). Skitter is town. you and dunk don't do anything and I find that questionable. Ausuka needs to be lynched.

Good

[Mulch]

uhhhh okay. so i've requested that this account be replaced with my main because yeah i'm not able to play with this playstyle and all it really ends up doing is making the game worse.
i'll probably reconsider the game now that i'm not making myself approach it as logically as possible. SD looks like scum right now.

the explanations she gives are stretchy and overcomplicated

. i suppose i'll reply to it later. also now i don't have to switch accounts every time i post so i'll probably be more active

This WOULD be a good point, but it's not

[Mulch]

In post 517, Eddie Cane wrote:
how do you read ausuka? if I take my vote off you it's going onto them. or rb. I think rb is probs town tho. maybe.

I lean scum on her but hate the case people are sheeping and am not feeling overly confident of the energy there.

:blobhyperthink:

[Mulch]

@Eddie: I'm becoming a bit concerned with your posting over the last page or so. Can you please address the points I raised in 547?

@Ciara: It kinda feels like you're active lurking, tbh. Why is Eddie so high on your list? If you're good with lynching Ausuka, why are you not voting there?

@Thor: I'm starting to become a bit concerned about TB as well. I know softing PRs is a thing he does as town, but I've also read enough of his scumgames to know that he has a strong tendency to lurk as scum. And besides for his RVS banter with me, and the PR soft, he hasn't said anything all game, and certainly nothing of substance.

I still have to do the Ausuka/SD/wave thing, but I'm going back to work today. I'll try to do it after work before Shabbat, but if it doesn't happen then, it's going to have to wait until tomorrow night.

P-edit: I think he means feeling better about me means he feels better about the Ausuka lynch. But I could have read that wrong. Thor, can you elaborate?

uh

[Mulch]

ok so point #1 this will be about scumlit diamond

549 isn't actually a genuine evaluation of the gamestate
like if you look at the ausuka section, you should notice that it comes from a point of view of "i want to scumread and vote ausuka." most of the points she makes are a huge stretch, and she generally makes WAY too many of them for it to be a genuine thought process. what she's trying to do is get an excuse to vote ausuka.

first of all my vote on perfect fifth was not a sheep vote and i did not attack dunkers for sheeping it was more complicated than that although to be fair i doubt it was a particularly good read in any way

i don't even think my post was that fake although it was certainly pretty heavily edited at that point. like, that's pretty much just a post based on playstyle. all it is is me not posting my emotion. i could potentially see town saying this though so whatever.

her comment on post 184 is where it starts getting legitimately scummy. she's legitimately trying to post every single one of my non-rvs posts as scummy and this is where it begins to show. like, i already said i scumread flavour; how is it scummy in any way to then jump on this wagon? how is it any more scummy than any other comment? how does it not apply to her vote?

this is further shown by her saying she's "not feeling the excuses."
like, why even post that? if you disagree with them, explain why???? it just feels like a completely empty attempt to frame literally every post i make as scum in order to jump on the wagon. it's not actual thought progression.

so yes sunlit diamond is scumlit diamond i approve of this wagon

VOTE: Sunlit Diamond

my earlier townreads were pretty weak tbh i usually solely use tone as a reason for townreads i was trying to avoid that here which didn't work so well

also if you scumread me you should totally explain why so that we can actually gain information from things and develop our reads better later on
i remember someone saying they townread wavemode and so they scumread me i don't actually remember who but that was pretty disgusting

Got townier

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unabombah: i don't see scum posting what he is posting, period.

skitter: feels genuine enough that this is like the only gutread i let myself do as ausuka

paul: tbh i feel like this is town i don't have much logic to back that up but it's just like the feeling i get when i read his iso (i didn't say this as ausuka because this is like exactly the sort of thing i tried to avoid lol) i don't think passiveness is really scumindicative for this guy based on *experience* although him putting me in his lynchpool makes me sad

rb: i don't mind his recent stuff looking over it again but there's definitely a world in which this is scum!rb and he is probably more than capable of faking what he is saying so although this is above null i will keep a watchful eye out for this slot

thor: i feel kinda bad for this but i'm going to locktown him for now just because he's the only one who bothered to analyse what wavemode was saying instead of just nodding their head.

eddie cane: i have no clue what the fuck this guy is doing i'll try to sort him later

dunkerdoodles: it's page 30 and i don't need to reach to get reads anymore so yes this is null but the slot needs to town itself eventually

thinkbig: please do things soon

wavemode: literally all of his content is based upon getting me lynched. i'm open to the possibility that he is just incredibly confbiased town who wants my head on a platter but like. that's really weird. i would ask him to give opinions on other players but he's just going to ignore anything i say at this point no matter what alignment he is so

flavour leaf: 496 is horrible and i dislike it greatly. i said i was an alt repeatedly so trying to frame me as newbscum without wavemode!confbias feels kinda sketchy although that isn't that scummy- what is more scummy is that he says "I actually like Wavemode...so because of that I actually don't like Ausuka very much." which is like the laziest attitude ever and makes no sense.

ciara24: i have no idea why you have the reads you do and your reads + general productivity and scumhunting/gamesolving have been uhhhh very questionable so you can be scum for now

scumlit: have already commented on why this is a scumfuck (which is the only confident scumread i actually have at this point) i also think "Why isn't Dunk getting more/consistent attention? If I'm getting fried for lack of content, he should be on fire. At least I actually stood my ground and voted according to what I thought (even if I was wrong)...all he's done is sheep and spam?" is really gross. it just turns a perceived suspicion around, like "don't look at me, look at dunkers!" and it just feels really slimy in general. also "And from this point on you launch into full on angry defensiveness and your credibility drops with every post after." does NOT sound like someone who actually thinks i'm scum here.

This feels so much better but I like don't like it

[Mulch]

you're omgus is cute tho:*

Don't like

[Mulch]

ciara24: i have no idea why you have the reads you do and your reads + general productivity and scumhunting/gamesolving have been uhhhh very questionable so you can be scum for now

I'd rather you didn't think I was scum but I'll let it slide for now because my activity levels have been awful so I understand your reasoning

Is there something in my reads that doesn't sit right with you or is it just that i haven't made walls of explanation for them?

I also uhhhh really don't like this post.
It's almost like she thinks she has a right to not be scumread and it feels really fake to me.

This triggers me cause it's not fake

[Mulch]

Ok well

scum winrates go up when you lynch scum day1. its for a myriad reasons we wont get into but this fact is empirically valid

so funfact: i wish to remove one of the most obstructionist players from the game in thor. his emotion could be fake or real, and ppl are getting turned off his interactions - this is a serious problem because the longer the game goes, the more difficult it will be to play with a town thor or against a thor scum.

i also think hes just scum so thats like a bonus, but i dont think day1 is best spent agonizing 5ever over trying to find a scum on the statistically most unlikely day to find one.

i think ausuka/MM4 is town as well now, so with them town and thor's weird interactions over that slot, i think thor is evenmorescum

perfect fifth/thinkbig is the other lynch ill entertain today, if not thor

Town lmao

[Mulch]

@Eddie: I'm becoming a bit concerned with your posting over the last page or so. Can you please address the points I raised in 547?

@Ciara: It kinda feels like you're active lurking, tbh. Why is Eddie so high on your list? If you're good with lynching Ausuka, why are you not voting there?

@Thor: I'm starting to become a bit concerned about TB as well. I know softing PRs is a thing he does as town, but I've also read enough of his scumgames to know that he has a strong tendency to lurk as scum. And besides for his RVS banter with me, and the PR soft, he hasn't said anything all game, and certainly nothing of substance.

I still have to do the Ausuka/SD/wave thing, but I'm going back to work today. I'll try to do it after work before Shabbat, but if it doesn't happen then, it's going to have to wait until tomorrow night.

P-edit: I think he means feeling better about me means he feels better about the Ausuka lynch. But I could have read that wrong. Thor, can you elaborate?

VOTE: Ausaka

I don't feel like Eddie is scum, even though his interaction with Thor was a bit weird. I'm not great at reading players who post a lot though, especially when some of it seems like it could be jokes, so Eddie and rb fall into that bracket for me.

It's a little bit strange that you're putting Eddie/rb so high when you feel like you have difficulty reading them . . .

How is this a real thought

[Mulch]

VOTE: Skitter

Let's be real here. Is that a real thought. Or a scum fake thought.

[Mulch]

because in previous games I have had a tendency to scum read people who's playstyles I don't understand, and I'm actively trying to avoid that now by forcing myself to read their posts as coming from a town perspective, at least initially in the game. It's a bit of a flaw in how I scumhunt, admittedly, but I'm working on it.

Uh, what?

You don't understand their playstyle, so you're forcing yourself to see it from a town perspective? So you're artificially creating townreads on people because you know you have difficulty reading them? This solves the problem how exactly?

And when are you going to start actually analyzing their posts ('at least initially in the game') in order to try to sort them instead of just lumping them in your townpile?

SHIT

[Mulch]

Ok well

scum winrates go up when you lynch scum day1. its for a myriad reasons we wont get into but this fact is empirically valid

so funfact: i wish to remove one of the most obstructionist players from the game in thor. his emotion could be fake or real, and ppl are getting turned off his interactions - this is a serious problem because the longer the game goes, the more difficult it will be to play with a town thor or against a thor scum.

i also think hes just scum so thats like a bonus, but i dont think day1 is best spent agonizing 5ever over trying to find a scum on the statistically most unlikely day to find one.

i think ausuka/MM4 is town as well now, so with them town and thor's weird interactions over that slot, i think thor is evenmorescum

perfect fifth/thinkbig is the other lynch ill entertain today, if not thor

This... this post is bad. Very bad.

This...this post is bad. Very bad.

[Mulch]

rb why is your personal dispute with Thor now the whole town's problem? You sound like you're calling for a policy lynch on someone who

you

picked a fight with. It wasn't the other way around. He wasn't being obstructionist at all. I mean, Thor could be scum, and you could go ahead and present evidence of that to convince us of that... but I'm failing to understand how killing town!Thor here would be beneficial to the town like you are trying to argue.

Also, he doesn't scumread Ausuka. Not sure why you're suddenly so sure she is town, but if she is, that's not a point against him. You made a very vague argument here that sounds like grasping at straws.

You've also shrunk your lynching pool to two people - literally one person who hasn't participated in the game at all and another who you've just been arguing with meaninglessly for days. Not sure how every other lynch has been suddenly ruled out in your mind but that strikes me as very strange, and your targets seem like low-hanging fruit, and in the context of your whole post that sounds like you are no longer interested in game-solving.

Medium

[Mulch]

Also! I based my initial read of you on a scan of your ISO that felt funky to me. You have since posted a lot, I reread the entire thread and your ISO, and my opinion changed. Why is that worth a scumread?

p-edit: that was mildly creepy eddie

How do you feel about MM4's posting being strange because he was trying a new playstyle? Does that not cause you to question your scumread on him?

uhh mybe

[Mulch]

should I take this game serious yet rb

Bad

[Mulch]

wavemode just keeps looking worse and worse tbh

i think it's a thor/wavemode team actually - thor is telling wavemode to continue pushing ausuka, but trying to look like they're interacting properly

wavemode townreads me, but when i start to push thor - i'm suddenly not town and he dislikes my pushes

Agreed

[Mulch]

I just replaced out of a game where town tb did this. So Im not lynching him based off inactivity.

SD because im a very trusting person who tends to believe ppl without checking their story so Ausuka's posts kinda have me wanting to lynch that. That said, ive liked their recent posting so i wanna go back and check both SD and ausuka.

What crap

[Mulch]

someone please tell me why town!Thor would spend 3 pages (more actually) arguing about how ppl perceive him, when he's at like L-5 or L-6 - and by his own admission he actually thinks that he isn't going to get lynched?

tell me, what actual fucking purpose does Thor have in this game apart from trying to appear town/discredit people pushing for his lynch?

literally no one in this game can give any reason why Thor is apparently town, and yet there's endless resistance to this wagon and (probably) chainsaw defence from others e.g. scumreads on me and Eddie for things we aren't even doing, probably from scumpartners

The rb/Thor argument is not helping town anymore, from either side, but I don't think it's purposeful.

You and Thor are both angry and fixated on your perspectives in an irrational way that puts control of the situation outside of your hands. As I said in an earlier post I could see some ballsy scum doing something like that in order to essentially exonerate each other, but given the length and tone of the argument I'd have to see some prior history of the two involved having great chemistry before I could believe it. Since no one who has played with you two before has mentioned such a history (in fact, I recall seeing the opposite) and I don't have time to read up on two different people's meta, I'm going to assume that isn't the case.

Town

[Mulch]

tldr u think both thor and rb are town. and their argument isnt helping anyone?

Yes, but no.

I think Thor and rb are both town specifically BECAUSE the argument has gone on so long, and there is no history (known to me) that would indicate either or both of them would be able to keep it up that long under a pretense.

Bads

[Mulch]

please, please, PLEASE give me a reason why thor is town, that actually has something to do with the fact that a player who's been on the site for like 8 fkn years is doing literally ZERO scumhunting in favour of just making big posts that look all nice and active, but just constantly focuses on THEIR OWN APPEARANCE AND THEIR OWN STATUS

THAT IS NOT WHAT TOWN PLAYERS DO, LET ALONE TOWN PLAYERS WHO HAVE 8 FUCKING YEARS OF PLAYING THE GAME

Don't like this

[Mulch]

This game is such a soap opera

Why did rb complain so much about AtE in Thor's posts then spew all this nonsense

And why am I suddenly on rb's radar simply for disagreeing on Thor and preferring SD

And why is rb suddenly so resistant to lynching SD

Speaking of SD, I'm pretty sure she's just seeing the facts the way she wants to see them, rather than evaluating them earnestly. I still want this lynched.

Bleh, going to bed

Love how you snuck that in

[Mulch]

i probably have thoughts on thor but i don't really feel like being called a piece of shit today so i will probably refrain from sharing them right now in favour of pushing my scumread(s)

LAMIST

[Mulch]

MM4 the problem with her weirdness is that i don't see how it's 'scum' it's just weirdness

dont u reckon?

i feel like it's less being weird and more making things up as she goes along
i mean talking to me like i'm town and reasoning it with "oh uh i don't want to scumread me because you're scum" is pretty obviously making things up as she goes along to me \o/
and i don't actually see her trying to solve the game either?

Bad

[Mulch]

i'm not going to go into detail on that because (don't out your PR suspicions ever) but i find it unlikely ciara is more likely than average to be a PR

btw that's actually a towntell although because i have told you this nobody gets towncred for pointing out prs and instead get scumcred

strongly disagree
i rarely see prs doing that in reality only in theory

unabombah who is scum and why aren't you trying to lynch them

Medium

[Mulch]

VOTE: Ciara

Im not voting thor and not completely sold on SD.

Scum

[Mulch]

Oh wow 5 whole pages to myself

[Mulch]

rb

NotTheRealPaul

Eddie Cane

Flavor Leaf

ThinkBig rep. Perfect Fifth*

Dunkerdoodles

skitter30

UnaBombaH

Mulch rep. Ciara24

Sunlit Diamond

wavemode

Thor665

MarioManiac4 rep. Ausuka

[Mulch]

rb

NotTheRealPaul

Eddie Cane

Flavor Leaf

ThinkBig rep. Perfect Fifth*

Dunkerdoodles

skitter30

UnaBombaH

Mulch rep. Ciara24

Sunlit Diamond

wavemode

Thor665

MarioManiac4 rep. Ausuka

FIXED

[Mulch]

VOTE: ThinkBig

[Mulch]

If Thor is town Skitter is 100% scum

[Mulch]

what did you do lol

[Mulch]

Bumping for new page

[Mulch]

this is annoying me

[Mulch]

Bump for new page, this is so annoying

[Mulch]

NOOOO

[Mulch]

What the fuck did you do lol

[Mulch]

Ok might as well talk ThinkBig is sketch as fuck

[Mulch]

And he dosen't like playing scum

[Mulch]

Strangely no flack

[Mulch]

I soulread Skitter scum one game and was right and am getting similar vibes now

[Mulch]

Paul is so typically scummy but trying to determine if it's actual scum or not

[Mulch]

Wavemode's posts have gotten worse as the day goes on so he's a semi scumread

[Mulch]

Ciara had true posts

[Mulch]

RB and Unah should townbloc with me

[Mulch]

Vote Count 1.10

Thor665[

/b] (3):

Eddie Cane

,

rb

,

Dunkerdoodles

Sunlit Diamond

(3):

Thor665

,

MarioManiac4,

wavemode

MarioManiac4

(1):

Sunlit Diamond

Mulch

(1):

NotTheRealPaul

Not Voting

(5):

UnaBombaH,

ThinkBig

,

skitter30,

Flavor Lea

f,

Mulch

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-08-06 20:05:00)

Mod Notes: Dunkerdoodles on V/LA until Sunday, 7/30

[Mulch]

VOTE: Thor

[Mulch]

is the F in leaf scummy for you or something. Mulch?

[Mulch]

Preferably we can lynch ThinkBig or Skitter today

[Mulch]

If not Thor/Paul good optons

[Mulch]

If NOT those then wave/Mario can be good

[Mulch]

The rest no touch.

I scumread all those voting on Sunlit and I townread Sunlit so I'm confident Sunlit is a mislynch.

[Mulch]

Holy fuck, Mulch.

Coming back from VLA's gonna be a trip.

Hello fellow townie

[Mulch]

#Topposter
#replacedinjustnow

[Mulch]

Are you talking to me? I'm not an alt.

[Mulch]

What game did we play, where you pocketed me as scum LMAO. I doubt I would let that happen

[Mulch]

Of course not

[Mulch]

I'm a newbie

[Mulch]

well, in the sense of age. Not in play.

[Mulch]

Your tone is good but good players can fake it. It's your thought processes that I agree with. You push the right things.

[Mulch]

@Mulch - I feel you took the majority of my reads.

Although I don't care for lynching Wave or TB today. TB seems to get mislynched often from what I've seen.

True, but I think he's scum.

[Mulch]

Skitter fake solve

[Mulch]

oh, if you're not trolling, my bad. forgot who he was an alt of.

back to the first part tho. why do you town read me? didn't u clap like all of the posts of.mine u quoted bad?

Some. Most wer egood.

[Mulch]

someone taaaalk to me

boring game so far

I was happy to roll town

[Mulch]

Town is objectively more fun than scum. But I'm better at scum so

[Mulch]

ThinkBig purposefully avoiding this game methinks

VOTE: ThinkBig

[Mulch]

Let's see.


We can talk to me. or I can keep getting bored and just randomly increasing my post count

:blobthink:

[Mulch]

Guess the latter

[Mulch]

TickTock

[Mulch]

Ticktock

[Mulch]

SKitter I soulread as scum once


Eddie did that thing where they questioned a townread that should mean I townread him but he's too experienced

[Mulch]

I came into this game wanting to sr rb but i just cant

[Mulch]

busy rn more later

What is the more.

[Mulch]

should I be townreading you?

No

[Mulch]

why?

I'm very good at scum

[Mulch]

should I take this game serious yet rb

Bad

should I take this game serious yet mulch

Bad cause LAMIST, it implies your "Taking" something=town

[Mulch]

why?

I'm very good at scum

would you like to link a couple scum games? you can explain your choices.

Look at Large 203

[Mulch]

should I take this game serious yet rb

Bad

should I take this game serious yet mulch

Bad cause LAMIST, it implies your "Taking" something=town

I take games perfectly serious as scum. i also shitpost as scum. this is not lamist. lamist is me questioning people townreading me.

True. This is slightly LAMIST

[Mulch]

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=71848
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=71796

I got nominated for the upper two.

Here is another one that I sucked in (to be fair was first game on site:
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=71612
On the plus on this one I got RC lynched

[Mulch]

also also, your play reminds me as a polished version of beginner!eddie. beginner Eddie didn't role scum ever though, so I'm not sure that comparison necessarily means anything. just a cool note.

This sounds pockety. But interesting

[Mulch]

also, do you remember my post asking thor if I should scumread him? he said a resounding no along with his usual baggage. he is an old player, and while I don't remember playing with him id assume he is at least semi competent. why do you think your answer differs?

idk

[Mulch]

No

[Mulch]

okay.

u really are like me u post a shit ton

anyways

I am usually top poster

[Mulch]

skimmed the games very very briefly. might look more later, probs not. got what I wanted.

Give me

[Mulch]

His emotions remind me as scum. He has akward phrasing. His posts in the beginning felt fake solvy then he just goes into deathtunnel mode.


I would vote Skittles or TB tho

[Mulch]

skimmed the games very very briefly. might look more later, probs not. got what I wanted.

Give me

your partners, who survived, your general posting habits. i like meta! I don't use it on people I know are likely to manipulate it ie rc, but it is always good to know the background of said players just in case. meta doesn't usually work on strong players anyways, with obvious exceptions. i can expand if you want.

What did you gleam from the game

[Mulch]

ok. I don't. Your townlean.

[Mulch]

His emotions remind me as scum. He has akward phrasing. His posts in the beginning felt fake solvy then he just goes into deathtunnel mode.


I would vote Skittles or TB tho

Skittles just played in a game with me and it was one of my best games ever, I can link it if you want. i am curios how they decide to move forward after that. tb is probably scum but ik they're also legitimately busy and that isn't b.s. so id rather give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

I wouldent. He actively avoids thread when mafia, and hasn't done anything and had fake confidence when replacing in

[Mulch]

this isn't something people do much nowadays but active real time deliberation helps a lot.

mybe im multitasking tho

[Mulch]

His emotions remind me as scum. He has akward phrasing. His posts in the beginning felt fake solvy then he just goes into deathtunnel mode.


I would vote Skittles or TB tho

Skittles just played in a game with me and it was one of my best games ever, I can link it if you want. i am curios how they decide to move forward after that. tb is probably scum but ik they're also legitimately busy and that isn't b.s. so id rather give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

I wouldent. He actively avoids thread when mafia, and hasn't done anything and had fake confidence when replacing in

if he hadn't come back by 2 days before dl (or a sub comes in that isn't extremely obv town) we can lynch him. until then I'm ignoring him because I have seen him flake as town multiple times and fri/sat/sun he's typically gone anyways.

maybe. But I think he's scum. Though he gave me towny vibes early game

[Mulch]

this isn't something people do much nowadays but active real time deliberation helps a lot.

mybe im multitasking tho

does anything specific make you doubt scum!thor? or while we're at it, town!rb?

There was one post I liked i forget it now but I commented on it, and no

[Mulch]

Well, paranoia on RB. And he seems to want to be seen as game solving. And i know he knows how to get townread. I don't think he's lock town actually the more I think

[Mulch]

do you think Mario slot is scum? I scum read ausuka but Mario posting seems fine.

SAme. A tad bit less real confident and more fake confident. Solid null.

[Mulch]

Well, paranoia on RB. And he seems to want to be seen as game solving. And i know he knows how to get townread. I don't think he's lock town actually the more I think

what do you make of his rage fit at thor? I like to read ate personally, idk about you. scum getting angry is different than town getting angry usually for me.

how

[Mulch]

also, how would you read ciara ignoring your role pm? I scumread him personally

what lol

[Mulch]

Everyone who joined the wagon on flavor leaf, give reasons pls

i'm playing optimal town strategy
UNVOTE:
VOTE: sunlit diamond

@paul not the whole game, just until i'm confident in my scumreads enough to push them.
also i only sheep rb when i'm town just so you kno

am.i.bad for townreading these

no

[Mulch]

also, how would you read ciara ignoring your role pm? I scumread him personally

what lol

u read it.

My predecessor didn't read their role PM?

[Mulch]

Aren't you forced to to play?

[Mulch]

I don't think paul is town

[Mulch]

Unless by meta he is

[Mulch]

also, how would you read ciara ignoring your role pm? I scumread him personally

what lol

u read it.

My predecessor didn't read their role PM?

Aren't you forced to to play?

no. i meant you read my post. what do you think your read on ciara would be ignoring if you know you're town (or scum)

I dont know lol it's jarring

[Mulch]

He just seems scum. I forget exact reasons but he seemed scum, I didn't like some of his posts

[Mulch]

idk

[Mulch]

Skitters u stole what I was gonna say about tb.

UNVOTE:

I was gonna pist this last night but halfway through my post my phone got taken away.

So I wake up in yhe morning and skitters has already mentioned how TB crumbs PR when he really shouldnt as town. So yea based iff that I think hr is town for now.

@Ausuka I dont believe I ever said uma was scum. I was joking about the whole bussing business.

Im a little wary of skitters rn as she isnt as aggressive as her town game normally is but its also only page 8. The thing is, her town and scum games are annoyingly similar except for how aggressive she is.

[Mulch]

Bad and the early game stuf fwas akward.

I havent read past that post in the iso

[Mulch]

Im a little wary of skitters rn as she isnt as aggressive as her town game normally is but its also only page 8. The thing is, her town and scum games are annoyingly similar except for how aggressive she is.

I don't like this part

[Mulch]

Skittles thoughts on ThinkBig?

[Mulch]

True.

RB do you act more game solvy when you are scum ?

[Mulch]

I'm feeling bad about my reads lists

[Mulch]

I think they could be backwards

[Mulch]

I will read more tmrw