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[Eddie Cane]

@Thor; Rb is null because I don't really see any reason to townread him. Mostly he's just making statements without evidence; i.e "this is town." and "this is scum." I don't think this is indicative of town or scum. I liked his earlier pushes {PF and FL} but I don't like his later pushes {me and SD} and that's all I actually have to base my read on.

If he was scum why would he abandon the push on Flavour to start a new push on Sunlight.
Literally the only way that makes sense is if
1. He and Flavour are scum buddies.
2. He decided to aggressive push and then pansied out.
or
1. He's scum who is scared of being on a lynch wagon...so started a new alternate lynch wagon.

Neither explanation seems too likely, wouldn't that make him less likely to be scum and, thus, more likely to be town?
Am I missing something, or do you disagree with my logic?

hm. Thor might be scum.
VOTE: thor

hey Paul, rb, skitter, u interested? wagon opp.

[Eddie Cane]

I also forgot to respond to that - am I the only one who reads the modposts? They explicitly say that the scum have daytalk.

bad wave. rb was supposed to answer.

[PenguinPower]

Vote Count 1.06

Sunlit Diamond

(4): rb, wavemode, Dunkerdoodles, NotTheRealPaul

Flavor Leaf

(3): Flavor Leaf, Thor665, UnaBombaH

NotTheRealPaul

(2): skitter30, Sunlit Diamond

wavemode

(1): Ausuka

Ausuka

(1): Perfect Fifth

Thor665

(1): Eddie Cane

Not Voting

(1): Ciara24

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-08-06 20:05:00)

Mod Notes: skitter30 V/LA until Thursday, 7/27

[Eddie Cane]

btw Clarinet is still scum

[wavemode]

Who?

[Eddie Cane]

I will offer you their name in exchange for a thor vote.

[Sunlit Diamond]

Er. Why am I being voted for?

Give me a few to catch up, I've been out since yesterday.

[Thor665]

I don't scumread him. And he is counter-aligned to the people I gut scumread. Simple as that.

I'll agree that's simple.
Just surprised at the level of shade throwing on a wagon you don't town read the target of is all.

@Thor; I didn't think as much about Skitter because I didn't see anything that made me doubt my townread on her.

That sounds like a double standard though, which is my issue.
If Skitter defaults to town and hasn't done anything to look scummy that implies that literally everyone you read as lower than her (like rb) has done scummy things.
Yet you're not calling any of those people out on doing scummy things.

Er. Why am I being voted for?

Why not?

VOTE: Sunlight Diamond

L-2, now you can feel pressured to read up.

[Thor665]

VOTE: Sunlit Diamond

[Sunlit Diamond]

Spam-voting me isn't going to do a damn thing to get me to process faster on a work day.

[Sunlit Diamond]

i think scum is in the oeople who have moved from leaf. I think scum were scared of bring on the mislynch and scared of me tunnelling them for it. 9/10 mafia players are terrified of me if you aren't aware.

^ considering my current strongest scum read is wavemode and his reaction to this post was both immediate and artfully dismissive, I tend to agree.

[Sunlit Diamond]

i think scum is in the oeople who have moved from leaf. I think scum were scared of bring on the mislynch and scared of me tunnelling them for it. 9/10 mafia players are terrified of me if you aren't aware.

^ considering my current strongest scum read is wavemode and his reaction to this post was both immediate and artfully dismissive, I tend to agree.

lol except he wasn't voting for flavor. I still agree though. He jumped a nicely available wagon that was supported by rb and wasn't flavor, and said toot toot.

[Sunlit Diamond]

I disagree that I was only commenting on the game and not trying to solve it; I was asking questions and gathering information, and it's intriguing to me that as soon as I mentioned the wagon on flavor formed quickly (in my experience, which is apparently uncommon), that wagon then immediately transferred to me. Easy bait, much?

I still think Paul is scum. Wavemode, too. Thor might just be aggressive, but meh. Ciara's posts are less than helpful, plus she thinks Una is suspicious and wavemode is town which immediately gives me a red flag. rb might be leading us by the nose, but I've still got him in my town pile at the moment. I had nothing on eddie, but now I think he's town.

Finally, I think self-voting is ridiculous.

[wavemode]

I was asking questions and gathering information

That's an interesting assertion. Can you give me an example of you asking someone questions and gathering information from that? I can't seem to find a single one.

[Sunlit Diamond]

Any particular reason I'm expected to explain my thought processes when others are not?

[wavemode]

Hey, you're the one who made the statement. I just don't really think it's true. Feel free to prove me wrong with examples from your ISO.

[Sunlit Diamond]

Although you're technically right. I just read back and I didn't phrase my questions as questions. I still got answers / reactions though, so it all comes out in the wash. ^_^

[wavemode]

Why is it such a red flag for Ciara to think I'm town and that Una is scum? Assuming you're right about me, couldn't Ciara just be naive?

[Sunlit Diamond]

Doubtful, especially with that post.

[wavemode]

Then why is rb in your town pile? He thinks I'm town and that Una is scum.

[Sunlit Diamond]

rb has far more content to go through and balance my read than Ciara does.

[UnaBombaH]

Then why is rb in your town pile? He thinks I'm town and that Una is scum.

I don't think rb is scum either, even if he might SR me.

I think scumreading someone simply because they have scumread/voted you, or disagree with your reads, is fundamentally flawed.
Its the part where they cant follow up with good content on WHY, when it becomes scummy, because scum has the luxury of knowing who are town, but have to make up reasons why.

I'm always more worried about people who just sheep around and look for easy pockets.

[wavemode]

Una then how do you feel about Sunlit and Ausuka?

[Thor665]

rb has far more content to go through and balance my read than Ciara does.

So, because he's done more, you scumread him more than people who aren't doing spit, even though you don't find his actions scummy.
Doesn't that seem illogical to you? Theoretically people not doing things should be at a lower level than someone who *is* doing things you don't find pro-scum, yeah? It's like you're describing why scum should lurk as a strategy, shouldn't you be avoiding that?

[UnaBombaH]

Una then how do you feel about Sunlit and Ausuka?

It's midnight here, I'll give you a more solid post after sleeping than I would now.