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[Flavor Leaf]

And I hardcore lead the MarioManic lynch. He was SK, but still. My scum hunting was on full display there. =/

[Flavor Leaf]

Vote Count 1.16

Mulch

(7): MarioManiac4,

rb

,

Eddie Cane

, skitter30, NotTheRealPaul, Dunkerdoodles, Mulch

(LYNCH)

Sunlit Diamond

(2): Thor665, wavemode

MarioManiac4

(1):

Flavor Leaf

Not Voting

(3): UnaBombaH,

frog

,

Sunlit Diamond

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-08-06 20:05:00)

Mod Notes: NotTheRealPaul V/LA until 8/3

MarioManiac4

(6): wavemode,

Flavor Leaf

, Game Replacement, NotTheRealPaul, Dunkerdoodles,

rb

(LYNCH)

Eddie Cane

(2):

frog

,

UnaBombaH

Dunkerdoodles

(2): Thor665, MarioManiac4

frog

(1):

Eddie Cane

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-08-16 16:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Dunkerdoodles

(6): Thor665, wavemode,

Eddie Cane

, NotTheRealPaul, Game Replacement,

Flavor Leaf

(LYNCH)

Not Voting

(4): UnaBombaH, Dunkerdoodles,

TwoInAMillion

,

frog

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-08-25 21:21:00)

Mod Notes:

[Flavor Leaf]

there, did it for you. Pointing it out, you're going to be making a town case on me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor Leaf (6): rb,

Flavor Leaf

, Thor665,

Ausuka,

UnaBombaH,

Eddie Cane

(L-1)

Mulch

(7):

MarioManiac4,

, rb,

Eddie Cane

skitter30, NotTheRealPaul,

Dunkerdoodles, Mulch

(LYNCH)

Sunlit Diamond

(2): Thor665, wavemode

MarioManiac4

(1):

Flavor Leaf

Not Voting

(3): UnaBombaH,

frog

,

Sunlit Diamond

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-08-06 20:05:00)

MarioManiac4

(6): wavemode,

Flavor Leaf

, Game Replacement, NotTheRealPaul,

Dunkerdoodles,

rb

(LYNCH)

Eddie Cane

(2): frog, UnaBombaH

Dunkerdoodles

(2): Thor665,

MarioManiac4

frog

(1):

Eddie Cane

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-08-16 16:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Dunkerdoodles

(6): Thor665, wavemode,

Eddie Cane

, NotTheRealPaul, Game Replacement,

Flavor Leaf

(LYNCH)

Not Voting

(4): UnaBombaH,

Dunkerdoodles,

TwoInAMillion, frog

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-08-25 21:21:00)

Mod Notes:

This VCA completely paints Eddie as scum. Look at the one where I'm red, and then look at the one where he is red. I'm only doing confirmed flips, because hypotheticals are easy to fake, and he's trying to turn Rb slot onto his side.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL's claim seems legit. I dont see how there is a world where either Eddie OR flavour has to be scum. Like they can both me town i think.

Like a few things he said make a lot more sense with the claim

pedit: lol

this is impossible. I got a no result on Eddie yesterday, and I was watched. He's confirmed scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

SD likely was killed to frame Thor/Wave. Eddie was on the wagon countering the wagon they were pushed on. Which means scum team is like...Eddie, Paul, and Una.

[Flavor Leaf]

wherent u saying something about jk possibility? not everyone has got on so should we wait?

pedit: im shocked u caught us /sarcasm

yeah, I was part JK.

[Flavor Leaf]

Vote: wavemode

He has been laying low for the most part not not really contributing to scumhunting. Also worried about NTRP.

Eddie seems obvscum, other than that his night actions don't make sense for scum.

So you think Eddie and Wave are scum together, yet you're choosing to vote Wave over Eddie. Noted.

[Flavor Leaf]

he claimed to jail our claimed pr.

he wasn't claimed. At all.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, why the hell as scum would I try and fake claim those roles in conjunction. Why not just full on claim like...doctor/watcher/tracker or something.

Hell, why not claim vig as one of those spots?

I didn't even claim a fake guilty on you, so there's even more flawed logic. Frog is the one who told me to treat the claim as if were genuine, which now I see is because he watched me.

[Flavor Leaf]

We had a no kill, so I'm thinking town might have a JK, and I was blocked, which is what I'm trying to ask. If mafia have a roleblocker of some sort, and targeted me, that's obviously not going to come out, but if town did it, that might.

scouts to see if a town is going to claim jk so he doesn't get ccd

well, claim the rest of your results. I'm the doc, and i have 2 innos (2 seperate people last 2 nights). i healed rb/rb/frog, last 2 of which were no kills. if you claim results on them im probably gonna push you, fair watning.

I'm a Loyal JOAT.

Rolestop/JK/Cop

Frog, Frog, Eddie.

TB epically soft claimed Day 1, so I went out to protect Frog the first two nights. I even commented on it way back then when I talked about if SD was vig kill, then Frog is likely town.

you literally admit here that you tsrgersd him for being pr. lmfao

yeah, and I protected him for being killed.

[Flavor Leaf]

During my 1v1 with Mario, I looked for games with a Vig and a Sk.

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=60635

This game had it. Even night vig and a sk.

So much for no games have that...

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't have any more actions anymore, Two.

[Flavor Leaf]

I didn't quicklynch yesterday, which is what you are about to do today. Wave and NTRP's votes on this wagon make me very nervous.

I mean, I have a confirmed guilty at this point on him because I know I wasn't roleblocked because of Frog. I've town read Wave since way early in the game, and Eddie seemed to be trying to pocket Paul. He said if I town read Eddie then I town read Paul. Unless Paul is busing.

[Flavor Leaf]

boon explicitly makes games to be weird which proves how weird it is, and the only other prs are made to stop nks (bp sk, 1x bp town, town jk). i didn't say it was impossible. the setup wss designed around it.

And this setup can't be? Don't get the point trying to be made here.


I have a legit confirmed guilty at this point. Like, he's doing well to counter it, but yeah.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's not a quick hammer. You're just caught out scum trying to AtE now.

[Flavor Leaf]

The whole voted on both town wagons thing.

Eddie was on both as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

hey, I don't have much time, but I'm here.

@Thor - my actions just fail if I target scum. I wouldn't be told whether or not I target scum.

We're at L-2, not L-1.

[Flavor Leaf]

it's 4 of paul/gr/wave/fl. logging off now and won't be back for a day or two. bye.

it's four of us now? So now you're saying you see a potential Paul, Gr, wave team?

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, so I'm a Rolecop (x shot) and FL is a JOAT. I'm pretty sure Eddie is scum here and that post just seemed like AtE.

Is there no possibility of a scum Jack-Of-All-Trades? I don't understand why (amongst others) are being so hasty here, Eddie is at L-1 again

I mean, there could be a scum JOAT, I guess. It's just not me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Eddie and fl both claim to have protected frog, fl on night 2 and eddie on night 3. Why was there no nightkill twice if they're both town and frog is scum? Why did scum!frog decide to no-kill twice?

I believe there was talk of a potential traitor recruitment because Eddie brought up the potential of there being a traitor a day or so ago. To be fair, I did jail Frog night 2, so technically, I could have stopped him from making a kill directly if he was scum. Which means his odd night claim would be smart. I don't know why scumFrog would have backed off of me earlier, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Flavor - a question for you (and please ask the Mod to clarify if your role PM doesn't) are there any of your effects that the loyalty modifier would be announced on other than the Cop?

my cop doesn't even get announced. It just treats it as if my result failed. I think it allowed me to get a pseudo guilty on Mario as well, technically, which I think is pretty neat.

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, we've had 12 pages in Day 4. I don't see that as a quicklynch. We're a rather active bunch, and some games have like 3 or 4 posts per in real day, so deadline is more needed there. I'm not voting elsewhere today, either.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, look at Eddie's posts the past few pages. They've been incredibly scummy, and then he disappears right after I was proven Joat and GR votes him. Sure, I have a confbias about it, but I feel like I'd see it as scum posting without that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think una said that fl is trying to get our doc lynched somewhere in that wall. fl claimed b4 eddie (pretty sure he did) so thats not the case

none of this is true. he tried to get me lynched, not the doc. the distinction is that I was the target as a player and not a role. he did not full claim before me.

Like, this is incredibly scummy. he says none of this is true, then goes and says "he didn't full claim before me". Everything Paul said in his post is true. Una did say I was trying to get doc lynched, even though I claimed my PR, my loyal, and last night's ability before Eddie.

[Flavor Leaf]

I targeted Eddie last night with a loyal cop shot to a no result.

This is before Eddie claims doctor. I wasn't even auto assuming it was a guilty immediately until you told me I should be treating it as a guilty. It would have made sense to me that I could have been roleblocked.

[Flavor Leaf]

why is paul next and not you or wave?

[Flavor Leaf]

I actually don't care too much. Scum team is Eddie, Frog, and then likely Una. Would explain Frog and Eddie deciding to come together too.

[Flavor Leaf]

Night 1, we know SD had to be a scum kill.

I jailed Frog Night 2, so that likely is why the kill was stopped. Scum was afraid of being jailed again so they did a no kill tonight to try and frame someone else.

Eddie's claimed actions, even though ThinkBig hard softed Day 1, and myself hard softing Day 2, Eddie had been claiming me as town at this point in the game, so much to state he was getting paranoid of me pocketing him at one point, yet he decided to protect Rb, who was pushing Thor super hard Day 1, so if Thor and Rb slot are both town, makes no sense to protect Rb. and Rb was also autolocking Una as town, so yet again another reason to keep RB alive. We even came into the next day potentially going to lynch the Rb slot, and I feel it was very obvious that was going to happen. Eddie's night actions don't make sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

There was also the awkward traitor talk Eddie was talking about, so he might be a mafia traitor doctor letting his team know he was a traitor. He could have gotten recruited last night.

[Flavor Leaf]

If the scum team is Frog, Eddie, and Two, that makes a lot of sense too.

[Flavor Leaf]

If the scum team is Frog, Eddie, and Two, that makes a lot of sense too.

I still think it's Una and not Two because I don't think Two would be so eager to bus a buddy.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm still not convinced frog is scum

I'm more pushing Eddie right now, not Frog. Eddie is the lynch for the day.

[Flavor Leaf]

For tomorrow, people who are waffling, keep that in mind. They are likely trying to figure out how to not get caught when Eddie flips. Time at this point is just helping scum for reasons that Thor said.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Game Replacement - you're posting in other games. Citing Night Actions takes a few moments. Crafting a fake claim takes days. Tick tock.
Also don't forget to popcorn, I know it has been exceedingly hard for everyone to manage that, but it's part of the claim.

Not only crafting a fake claim. Scum figuring out what they're going to do. Making a plan. Look how convenient it is that Eddie and Frog left right as Eddie basically got completely caught out. The timing of it is impeccable.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm still not convinced frog is scum

Not convinced Frog is scum, what are your thoughts on Eddie? Please don't have pocketed me this entire game, Wave. I'm going to be incredibly upset if that's what happened.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, I don't even care if the rest of you claim. You all are either all VT, or you have like one PR within you, and if there's a PR, they don't have relevant information, as you all would have said it by now. Eddie is conf scum from my perspective, so understand my antsy-ness.

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum is Eddie NTRP and either Una or Frog, I'm thinking Una.

So you think Paul is busing him right now?

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum is Eddie NTRP and either Una or Frog, I'm thinking Una.

One of Frog and GR have to be scum. They can't both be town.

[Flavor Leaf]

If GR is lying, he could be paired up with Eddie and then they're testing the waters with a Frog mislynch. If Frog is lying, I guess technically I could have been roleblocked, but Eddie is scum by more than just my result at this point.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, I could go with Eddie NTRP and Frog then.

Can we finish this day? The longer this day goes, the more time Eddie has to make a fake plan up, and the more likely that the lynch goes elsewhere. If the lynch goes elsewhere, I am not going to be a happy camper. Scum have likely started distancing from each other at this point to set themselves up to solo carry if they need to.

[Flavor Leaf]

Thor and Wave are town due to SD dying Night 1, and Rb's pushing of Thor makes sense why Rb/Thor wouldn't be killed ever. That leads me to Rb town as well. I just explained my GR/Eddie and Frog/Eddie scenarios up top. Una is a waffle monster that I've been calling out as scum the majority of the game. Looking back, Una was probably setting up a mislynch on Rb after coasting the locktown status of his. Paul voting Eddie right now, and Eddie's pocketing of paul, make me lean town on Paul as well.

So it's Eddie, Una, and one of Frog/GR.

[Flavor Leaf]

You've been reading the game and don't know what my thoughts on eddie are?

Sorry, it was more of a rhetorical shout of a question more than one that required an answer. If you were scum with him, your actions and words could have shown differently, but I just laid down my thoughts on all of this game. A game just finished where I called out the remaining 2 scum the night before I died, along with 3 hard town reads, and 1 semi strong town read to 100% poe the game. (game was lost two days afterwards, but yeah).

[Flavor Leaf]

Can we finish this day?

Some people wanted to fullclaim

I've explained why I'm against it at this point, and why it doesn't matter at this point.

[Flavor Leaf]

If we have another PR, and there's a 3 scum team, the last PR can be used to help find scum later in the game. Eddie is lynched, and then we get a mislynch tomorrow and can deal with GR/Frog 100%. The 3rd partner can be POE'd, and if any PR exist they can claim later and not be afraid of getting killed off.

I have no more power, and GR/Frog are in a 1v1, so if a PR claims they have a good chance at just being killed off if they still can do things.

[Flavor Leaf]

Im a VT.

Popcorn wave? I dont think he has claimed. If he has, then una

Don't claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, I could go with Eddie NTRP and Frog then.

All you for the hammer.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why vote Eddie over Frog at this juncture if you believe this?

Because I have a guilty on Eddie....think. Come on.

[Flavor Leaf]

TO BE CLEAR - A DERP FAST WAGON HAMMER ON EDDIE IS ANTI-TOWN, STUPID, AND ANNOYING.
DON'T DO IT.

In fact I'd like some of you to unvote and offer your thoughts on Frog v. GameReplacement.

This isn't a fast wagon. We've had like 15+ pages of conversation. I shot him with a loyal cop shot and got a no result on him. I don't know which of Frog/GR are lying. Why would I ever go on someone not Eddie?

[Flavor Leaf]

1) I talked about the missed kill multiple times. Thor, go read up on it.
2) Una mentioned a role cop earlier.
3) Eddie will flip scum here, so this doesn't matter.
4) It wasn't a quick hammer. Eddie was at L-1 earlier, and it went down, and he stayed at L-2 for a while.
5) How did the watcher catch Game out if watcher claimed first?

[Flavor Leaf]

This is more for me at this point, because I likely already cost town this game with that death tunnel on Eddie, and my bad play is being taken advantage of. Bar a ninja roleblocker, Frog is confirmed scum who was likely setting up mislynches in Eddie and myself.

Game Replacement is probably the one bussing.
he was setting up rb to be mislynched after mario flipped scum

to whatever b.s. this is lmao

Ok good, I think we can actually agree on something.

I'll wait for ~12hours to hammer, just to try and make sure Mario (or anyone for that matter) has time to speak up before it.
Its 7:20 in the morning here, so I assume our 'murica -friends are sleepind atm?

idc if we lynch Mario but if he flips town I want frog on a stick

I'm fairly certain he doesn't flip town, not anymore.
His play wasn't on par with what I have read from him, and I think Flavor Leaf managed to drag some tells out of him.

I COULD HAVE LITERALLY CONFIRMED MYSELF AS TOWN TONIGHT

AND YOU DECIDED TO LYNCH ME TODAY FOR REASONS ???

Oh, I was willing to hear you out.
Mainly because I think rb will be alive tomorrow, and depending on your flip he might need a lynch.

No need to be mad Mario, the hammer has fallen, and now we wait..

This isn't how town acts after having a 1-shot BP result when Mario was claiming Vig. Una said things like "Fairly certain mario doesn't flip town" when he flat out knew that Mario was lying about being a vig, as the 1-shot bp result from Night 1. Also, GR claimed Rolecop, why would Una need to investigate GR? Also, as of now, Una's the only full investigative role that claimed. Una's claim is literally the only full role in this game besides the doctor, when Wave is a flipped even night tracker, and both Frog/GR claimed odd night investigative. Also, Una posted about willing to "hear you out" after Mario said he could have confirmed himself as town, when Una knew that he wasn't going to flip town vigilante from that investigation, so what's the point of hearing him out if he should have been confirmed scum to you.

Scum is Una and Frog. I also think that people flat out stating 3 scum members left is incredibly scummy considering we had a SK in this game. Also, the fact that he claimed full role cop in the first place is a scum tell.

If there is a 3rd scum member, it's likely Paul. He turned on Eddie yesterday, and he's probably going to end up on me today. GG scum. Deserve the win.

Come to think of it, Mario said to lynch me, Paul, and Una, so he got two of them right if that's the case.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's confirmed I was role blocked at this point, so Frog's lock scum bar a ninja role blocker targeting me.

@Thor/Two/GR - Please don't vote me just yet. GR, you got that JOAT read on me, and you town read me for it yesterday. Please continue doing so. I'll answer any questions you want. Please look at Una and Frog's play from yesterday and I think it looks rather obvious that they were trying to set up a double mislynch. Frog's timing of his claim shows it too, actually. He knew all of the actions before hand, and he made it seem like I had basically a for sure guilty on Eddie.


Also, I'm not going to push it, but Una also claimed "I am a Town Rolecop", as if him claiming wouldn't have been implied....-.- this was wording to make it come off as townier, but in actuality, it made it scummier. I'll bring that up post game, I guess, because that's just WIFOM.

[Flavor Leaf]

This isn't how town acts after having a 1-shot BP result when Mario was claiming Vig.

That is exactly how a full rolecop acts in that spot.
I knew he had fake-claimed, but I didn't know his alignment.
I didn't know whether SK would have helped Town more than scum, according to Eddie it could've.
I also didn't want to reveal my role outright.

I hope its too late to try and convince our Vanillas to follow you,

your past day-actions have been horrible, and no one should follow you anymore..!

Like I said, scum is taking advantage of my poor play.

That is not how a town role cop acts. You were completely contradicting yourself. What do you mean you didn't know his alignment? He fake claimed, so you thought he could be town? How often do you see SK and automatically assume there is a SK? Even if you did assume he was a SK, your play doesn't match what town does. You also were giving the intent to hammer and was giving a confirmed liar from what you just stated a chance at living.

[Flavor Leaf]

And you're calling my play at the end of the day scummy? You had plenty of time to claim yesterday.

To me, your softing looks like you were setting up a fake claim, and I had crumbs as well, except mine weren't setting up a fake claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor Leaf, the whole 'this is not how town acts' when it blatantly is is becoming tiresome and

looks very much like scum realising they have been caught

This is why I'm town and they are scum. If he were town, he wouldn't have said looks here. Like, he just wouldn't have. Because that's what I'd be. I realize how I look, and you know, it doesn't matter. You guys set me up pretty hard, and I really can't fight it. I understand why it makes sense for me to be the lynch today. The game is over after that. The fact that Una stated I was 100% conf scum when even you brought up why, if you were town, there would be a possibility still, whereas Una just ignored that.

You guys played well, and this was probably Una's best game on site. Congrats on the win.

[Flavor Leaf]

I didn't know his alignment. I knew his role had a modifier of "1-shot bulletproof".

he claimed novice vig.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor Leaf, how do you explain the absence of a kill last night?

I stated this like 3 times already. I assume you meant the day before. I have stated that scum purposefully no killed, which would make sense if I jailed you to stop a kill Night 2, or a traitor was recruited. Like, I've stated this multiple times.

Also, as scum, Wave being killed basically insured you guys to win when facing me.

[Flavor Leaf]

there's also no way that town has an every night role cop, even if GR hadn't claimed role cop already.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, as scum, Wave being killed basically insured you guys to win when facing me.

This is blatantly not true, considering wavemode was leaning on lynching Eddie over you yesterday.

If anything, his death implicates you rather than me

We lynch FL today, because GR is confirmed to not have a PR.

The first vote's down, so time's a-wastin'

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

This is perhaps the first day I can advocate a fast lynch

This is a perspective slip.

I stated that Wave's death implicates me...if I was scum, Wave being alive would have helped me live BECAUSE he was leaning Eddie. It narrowed down the pool for you guys to focus on. Didn't have to worry about Wave.

[Flavor Leaf]

There was no way town had a full doctor either, but they did

he's claiming odd night watcher, with an even night tracker flip, and expects a full role cop in this game. Yeah, okay.

[Flavor Leaf]

Paul is likely the third scum. They look like they're trying to mislynch Two if they can as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

There was no way town had a full doctor either, but they did

he's claiming odd night watcher, with an even night tracker flip, and expects a full role cop in this game. Yeah, okay.

He's claiming Loyal Jack-of-all-Trades with two protective abilities, with a two-shot commuter and a full doctor in this game. Yeah, okay.

protective roles are weaker than investigative, especially in this game. It's a thrill on a no kill setup. That's why there's a weak role and a SK: to counterbalance multiple no kill scenarios.

[Flavor Leaf]

He's claiming Loyal Jack-of-all-Trades with one investigative ability, with an even night tracker flip, and

expects a rolecop in this game.

Yeah, okay.

FUCKING SLIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOUR PARTNER CLAIMED ROLE COP!!!!!!

[Flavor Leaf]

His night action is confirmed by you, and you are unconfirmed by me

GR shouldn't be unconfirmed to Frog. GR should be more confirmed than anyone else in this game to Frog.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would ScumLeaf and ScumGame BOTH fake claim a guilty and a direct counter in non lylo?

[Flavor Leaf]

He's claiming Loyal Jack-of-all-Trades with one investigative ability, with an even night tracker flip, and

expects a rolecop in this game.

Yeah, okay.

FUCKING SLIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOUR PARTNER CLAIMED ROLE COP!!!!!!

Congratulations, you are the king of misrepresentation.

I didn't misrep anything here. You flat out implied that expecting a role cop in this game is something that shouldn't be happening. You know Una's actual role so this is actually a legit slip. Like, if you were to believe Una is town, an even-night tracker and a rolecop would have to be completely expected. You were trying to discredit Game further with this and got caught out. And you are posting in a manner where you can make sure you get away with doing anything because we are correct in everything we are pushing you on, and you are just hoping that the others will push us based on previous days.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, so I'm a Rolecop (x shot) and FL is a JOAT. I'm pretty sure Eddie is scum here and that post just seemed like AtE.

Frog is scum here. Today we lynch Eddie, tomorrow we lynch Frog then you can all woo me to who's scum, depending if I'm alive.

Walk me through scum!frog

I'll go over this tomorrow (or if I'm dead you'll understand on my flip).

Easy game, easy money!

I'm happy to move on from this shit today.

FL isn't going to be scum, even more so with his night actions.

Also, I haven't ever seen a loyal scum myself (I think?).
Remember, there was a 3rd party. Scum loyal means that it's intended to find 3rd party which just drops 3rd party at a huge disadvantage right there.

Last 3 people claim, don't really care what order.

Then we lynch Eddie and win from there.
He dipped and I doubt he's going to have much else than AtE when he comes back.

Easy game, easy money.

I was posting on my other accounts. I have over 20 games to deal with and a half solved game isn't my priority.

I don't really care who claims next. Just anyone left do it.

I checked FL last night. He's JOAT, and anyone pushing him today I am going to consider as scum.

I'm going into detail more at a later day or my death says it on flip.

So I just ISO'd GR to see reason for changing his claim. To me everything adds up with his claim. I'm confirmed town, though. These 3 posts all show that weak was always a thing. What other claim would his flip on death would prove him correct? You expect scum to fake a town fake claim only to fake claim a different fake claim....? He even brought up my actions confirming it more with the No Result on Frog. Wanna know why else that makes sense?!?!? SKITTER WAS IN THE SLOT PRIOR TO GR, AND FROG IS THINKBIG'S SLOT, AND SKITTER AND THINKBIG JOINED THIS GAME TO PLAY TOGETHER!!!!

[Flavor Leaf]

1. My claim is real (see the crumbs, and the interaction with Mario after his hammer, I slipped there by crumbing too hard)

K, I crumbed just as much as you, if not more than you. Crumbing the way you did is obviously scum looking to set up a fake claim, though, where I pushed anyone who tried to rolefish me. Hard. Look at my interactions with Rb, and my big 1v1 with Mario.

1) I talked about the missed kill multiple times. Thor, go read up on it.

2) Una mentioned a role cop earlier.

3) Eddie will flip scum here, so this doesn't matter.
4) It wasn't a quick hammer. Eddie was at L-1 earlier, and it went down, and he stayed at L-2 for a while.
5) How did the watcher catch Game out if watcher claimed first?

This is in response to Eddie saying I'm the one who brought up role cop earlier. I saw your role copping posts. You were setting up fake claim crumbs, not softing pr crumbs.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would ScumLeaf and ScumGame BOTH fake claim a guilty and a direct counter in non lylo?

Because after you had committed to your gambit on Eddie, you needed back-up to make sure that THIS DAY wouldn't be an auto-lynch on you.
You wanted a gambit that would roll the whole game to an end, not just one more mislynch.

WHY WOULD I GAMBIT YESTERDAY AS SCUM?!?!?! There is literally no reason for me as scum to gambit yesterday.

[Flavor Leaf]

2. I know GR is lying, he fakeclaimed as Vanilla -> he is scum (Vanilla = either VT or Goon for Rolecop)
3. Which means that Flavor Leaf is NOT confirmed JOAT

this is also why Una is scum. GR claimed role cop, yet Una role copped him to "make sure" when she could have just counter claimed and role copped me if she wanted to confirm if I was a JOAT. He chose these actions specifically so he could manipulate the game how he's doing it now.

[Flavor Leaf]

There will almost certainly be a 3v3 voting situation with one of you "un-informed"s holding the hammer. (and it should obviously be a townie, otherwise scum have already won)

This also only comes from scum. Why would there be a 3v3? I don't expect anyone to follow with us. So essentially it's going to be 3v2, with the other 2 wondering what to do. And this is also YET AGAIN A TELL OF 3 scum members. I have spoken around 5 times this game, maybe more, of how there by no means should be a confirmed 3 scum on the same team this game due to the SK. I even linked a SK game to Eddie yesterday about a SK with a vig in the game as well, and guess what, there was a 2 scum team that game. Town has a lot of power this game, so I guess a 3 stack makes sense, especially with Eddie's traitor comments, as it makes it effectively 2 and a half scum members, and also can add to the thrill in a no kill setup.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am a Town Rolecop

Night 1: checked Mario - result: 1-shot bulletproof

Night 2: DERPED - result: felt stupid for forgetting to post night action
Night 3: checked Thor - result: Vanilla
Night 4: checked GR - result: Vanilla

Why I highlighted my N1?

In case our scum-doofuses try to sow dissent amongst us and dare to call my claim fake:
Click "ISO" next to my nick.
Press CTRL+F.
Look for the following things:
"Claiming role: TEAMPLAYER" - started it off in my 2nd post
"I claimed or clumsily crumbed a PR here" - first of my "denials"
"Im gonna RC" - made it look like I was still talking about RadiantCowbells.
"Im totally RC." - I was afraid I might be too obvious with this, but it seems scum didn't see this or didn't care.
"I honestly had the best one!" - I had already checked Mario, so I knew his Vig-claim was BS.
"would a rolecop be able to say you are SK" - my 2nd "denial", I almost screwed my crumbs up with the Mario-interaction, that is why I had to make that outburst towards rb to direct attention elsewhere.
"For now I'd say I don't want us to claim. Scum already failed one NK for one reason or another, let them miss another before we claim." -

this is the one I was most afraid of last night, and the thing I left out of my full claim. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I AM KILLABLE N5.

I'm eager to believe that Eddie saved the NK-targets, and that is the reason we didn't have any deaths before, but it could also be that I was the target one night.

I wanted to claim at the end of D4, before people would hammer Eddie (and this is why I'm heavily suspecting TiaM), with as much of the claims out before deciding what to do.
I'm going to check TiaM N5, because I THINK FL and GR are not the scum PR (I'm rather sure there is one).

Frog+Me are Town. We need one more to have a chance to win. Frog knows what to do N5, no need to discuss it further.
Thor, Paul and TiaM need to give reads on each other and not vote anyone yet.

We lynch FL today, because GR is confirmed to not have a PR.

None of this comes from town. It was super obviously planned and setup. Mafia role cop is likely. Also, he tries and calls us out to try and not get discredited? I made a post like this where I went and looked in my ISO and did a similar thing, except mine weren't scum fake crumbing, so this is also an incredibly hypocritical post.

[Flavor Leaf]

This also only comes from scum. Why would there be a 3v3? I don't expect anyone to follow with us. So essentially it's going to be 3v2, with the other 2 wondering what to do. And this is also YET AGAIN A TELL OF 3 scum members.

This comes from a player playing his first game outside Rome.

I do not understand role/alignment -balance as well as most do.
All I know is that we have two confirmed scum, and once we lynch you both, we either win, or we have to nail the third.

I have to go now, hope you can still keep your banter up, and that townies don't get brainwashed two days in a row.

I don't have any completed newbie games, and I have completed non newbie games.

[Flavor Leaf]

Eddie in 3091 - Don't discuss 3rd scum
Eddie in 3091 - 3rd scum is x
Huh?

Okay, so I'm a Rolecop (x shot) and FL is a JOAT. I'm pretty sure Eddie is scum here and that post just seemed like AtE.

Frog is scum here. Today we lynch Eddie, tomorrow we lynch Frog then you can all woo me to who's scum, depending if I'm alive.

I think una said that fl is trying to get our doc lynched somewhere in that wall. fl claimed b4 eddie (pretty sure he did) so thats not the case

That's because Eddie is most likely scum here.
Eddie is the best lynch today. \o/
Otherwise we have this shit to deal with tomorrow.

which prevents him from using his action... and prevents him from confirming himself as town via a hypothetical action... while he's under heavy scrutiny from me and others

Rolestop doesn't prevent someone using their action. This is Eddie manipulating the role to push a lynch on FL.

VOTE: Eddie

Follow me for a great tomorrow!

Like, look at Eddie's posts the past few pages. They've been incredibly scummy, and then he disappears right after I was proven Joat and GR votes him. Sure, I have a confbias about it, but I feel like I'd see it as scum posting without that.

You have not been confirmed anything.
GR could lie about your role, and in any case, he can't know your alignment based on your role.

People need to take their heads out of their asses and think for themselves now.
Honestly, time for blatant sheeping should be over.

I'll make another post later today.

This right here actually proves Una is scum. Una had the possibility to counter claim here. He claimed that GR couldn't know my alignment, well the weak proved differently, which when looking at GR's post IS INCREDIBLY OBVIOUS THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. You want to talk about how town PR's crumb? That's how, Una.

[Flavor Leaf]

You have not been confirmed anything.

GR could lie about your role, and in any case, he can't know your alignment based on your role.

People need to take their heads out of their asses and think for themselves now.
Honestly, time for blatant sheeping should be over.

This was me being busy IRL, but jumping on his claim and discrediting it.
Nobody reacted to it even slightly, and you got your mislynch.

I was sleeping when you guys hammered Eddie away, so I really didn't have a chance to act with a full post before today.

You didn't attempt to discredit his claim. You attempted to discredit me. This proves you saw his claim, and you said he could lie about MY role, and how he can't know MY alignment based on my role. Nothing here discredits him and his role.

And then you stated you role copped him? Nu uh. No. There is literally no reason for town you to role cop him. Ever. If you were town and he were scum, he would have been confirmed scum right then and there for you on his claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Is it possible there are only 2 Scum since there was a SK? 3 Scum+SK seems overpowered.

This is exactly what I've been saying, and the fact they keep stating 3 scum and how hard they are going in shows that they know they have 3 members. It actually makes sense, I guess with all the town power, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum likely has 3 PR's as well, considering 5 town PR and a SK, so that's another crap result meant to incriminate GR.

[Flavor Leaf]

This also only comes from scum. Why would there be a 3v3? I don't expect anyone to follow with us. So essentially it's going to be 3v2, with the other 2 wondering what to do. And this is also YET AGAIN A TELL OF 3 scum members.

This comes from a player playing his first game outside Rome.
I do not understand role/alignment -balance as well as most do.
All I know is that we have two confirmed scum, and once we lynch you both, we either win, or we have to nail the third.

I have to go now, hope you can still keep your banter up, and that townies don't get brainwashed two days in a row.

Oh, just realized you were talking about yourself here. Sorry. You have an earlier join date than me, so I thought you were calling me a newb.

[Flavor Leaf]

Man, I'm trying so hard to show you guys that I'm town, but I feel I've screwed up too much already.

[Flavor Leaf]

Meh.

VOTE: Una

[Flavor Leaf]

Hey, guys. I'm here. If SD was a vig shot, then TB is likely town.

Hey, guys. I'm here. If SD was a vig shot, then TB is likely town.

I not follow. Explain dis

No. don't talk about it.

Why not frog?

Read my ISO, and then let's talk about something else.

there's like barely anything in your iso about frog, and you don't even interact with him

there's just one statement where you say you think frog is town

so again: why not frog?

maybe look for the predecessor.

Until I get more information, I'm going to want to keep Frog alive.

Man, Rb, how obvious do I have to make it?

frog first makes sense tho cause he's gonna fake a pr and we need the night to prove he's wrong

Can we please wait on frog...I've tried over and over to explain why, based on the vig talk earlier. If a vig doesn't out himself stating they killed SD, sure, let's go Frog, but let's at least wait a day or two. I have reason to believe he's town, as stated before.

Actually, if there was a N1 Vigilante, maybe they should claim if they shot SD, then I think Frog's nearly conftown for reasons that I should feel are obvious by now.

town is probably 4 pr.

so you're saying you want to out those PR's?

I can explain why I am against it tomorrow better if I'm alive still.

Okay, Frog. These are some posts that hopefully can help you out when reading me. I have constantly been posting about scum likely knowing the PR's as it was obvious at the time. There's a quote somewhere where I'm talking to RB, and I link Rb's name, too. A big part of my 1v1 with Mario was that he was role fishing me, and yesterday I was completely against mass claiming for those reasons. I felt like Eddie was trying to get the roles out so he can pick where he wanted to kill.

Here were some of my posts that show I was a PR. 2300 has a link on RB's name, and I feel like that should show that we can't be scum together based on interactions like that. I made this post in my conversation with Frog, yet Frog didn't even acknowledge that I had made this after Una posted a list of his obvious fake claim setup softs.

[Flavor Leaf]

ALSO!!!!!!!! They rolefished the hell out of Two yesterday, to the point of voting. Had they got Two lynched yesterday, they would have been able to pick out of mislynching Eddie or myself today.

Also, they keep bringing up how they think Eddie stopped the night kills yet he was blocking the RB/TwoIAM slot, who they are saying is scum with GR and I. This is actually the thing that proves that they are scum the most (separate from confbias).

[Flavor Leaf]

Your claim nailed the lynch, it either assured TiaM enough to hammer, or

he is scum with you guys and got the order to hammer in your precious day-chat.

Actually, this confirms them as scum. From their perspective, Two can't be scum due to their night kill talk. They can't explain the Night 2 No kill if they are calling Two scum. My jail on Frog stopped that kill. 100%.

[Flavor Leaf]

meh, Dunker could have commuted and they shot Dunker. I highly doubt that happened. More likely I just jailed Frog who was making the kill, then the next night they got scared of being jailed again or killed a traitor.

[Flavor Leaf]

This game's basically down to Thor, I guess, so gg. I can't see him not voting me after yesterday. It's going to turn into Frog, Una, Paul vs Flavor, GR with Two maybe seeing what's going on and siding with us, but likely will just vote me as well. Wave was a good kill. I'm going to sleep now. If I'm hammered before I wake up, congrats.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dunker or RB had to have been the shot, actually. I can't stop kills. I'm loyal. I think Frog is ascetic. Scum commuter could also make sense in this game. With weak/loyal in this game that makes a lot of sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

We also have a comical amount of PR claims.
I was about to make a comment that actually Flavor could be unconnected to Game, but then it's like, there are so many PR claims it is painfully obvious we have an army of scum in them.

I'm amazed anyone (Flavor) is claiming Wave as a good kill - my theory is scum RB investigated him and so he was killed as a town investigative.
Why would he be a good kill for any other reason?

Because Wave was one of Eddie's scum reads, pushed as scum hard. Why are you saying scum RB? At this point, I feel it's have to be scum Una. (Or possible scumGR from the unconfirmed perspectives).

[Flavor Leaf]

Wave was also more likely to stick up for me more so than anyone else not named GR who has me as confirmed town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also thought about a potential GR/Frog team, which would explain GR'a voting patterns, but I can't see scum actually risking the potential of having one of them lynched yesterday through that. If GR had voted Frog, I might have seen GR/Una doing a similar thing, but it doesn't make sense with GR voting Una, so I understand what you mean about seeing a GR not connected to me, but I do not think in any world that GR is scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, to the comical amount of PR's, town is confirmed to have 5 pr's, even if you take scum's version. Loyal and Weak is there to limit that. I think it's a pretty cool setup. I imagine scum's got some cool roles. Role cop is likely, roleblock is confirmed. The novice on the SK.

[Flavor Leaf]

I wanted to use my cop shot...and Paul is the third scum basically confirmed.

[Flavor Leaf]

Wave was also more likely to stick up for me more so than anyone else not named GR who has me as confirmed town.

Why?

Because he stated a town read on me the entire game basically...? He's one of the reasons they didn't quick hammer me day 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

I've accepted that by all means I should be the lynch for the day. I fucked up with my quick lynch on Dunker, and I got roleblocked because of it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I've explained the no kill on night 3 like 5 times now. Traitor or a purposeful no kill to frame. They could have role copped and hoped Eddie would protect Frog since he made it obvious he thought Frog was sifting a PR. Gets Frog super town cred. :/

[Flavor Leaf]

They didn't have to know I was loyal to role block. I flat out claimed pr when I hammered Dunker.

[Flavor Leaf]

Or they shot RB to a no kill night 2 and thought they were blocked. It's just a WIFOM thing. I have no idea what happened, and there's no way for me to know. I was played like a fiddle.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay - can you explain the Dunker wagon?

No, I can't. Can you? All I did was the hammer. Eddie was forcing a mass claim, and I had my cop shot left, so I didn't want to mass claim before using that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I targeted Eddie because I thought he was epic trying to out the PR's, and you can see by my play that day that my town read on him had diminished. And the fiddle part wasn't dealing with the Dunker. That's all me. I was eager to cop, and you had been pushing Dunker for a while, and he hadn't obv town'd like I said he would.

[Flavor Leaf]

Eddie as the less provable scum? From my point of view, he did feel provable, and bar a ninja roleblocker, frog became confscum after Eddie flipped town. Unless GR lied about everything, but that doesn't make sense as a play to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, what part of Una's claim seemed townie to you? I understand I have confbias, but it just seems beyond scummy. I crumbed everywhere as well.

She misses an action, and night 4 she states she targets someone who also claimed role cop...? That should have been a for sure sign that GR was scum already. I already pointed out where Una posted after GR claimed during the same day and talked as if the claim were true and GR would just be lying about my role, or that it doesn't prove my alignment. Also, Frog's "expect a role cop" thing is damn implies he thinks a role cop claim in this game is ridiculous and nonexistent, when that's what suns claimed, so there is 100% a role cop in this game no matter how you look at it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I got tunnely and cocky. I didn't use my cop until later because I thought it would be better later in the game. I lurked out a lot in the beginning of the game so I could try to get to later in the game to use it. Thinkbig super blatantly claimed a PR so I thought it was best to try and protect a potential PR. I was semi investigative with it as well. I brought up day 2 that if a Vig shot SD, then Frog is likely town because it would mean there was a good chance that scum targeted Frog, and my rolestop would have stopped the kill. If a Vig would have said they shot at Frog, it would have confirmed Frog as town. I lead the lynch on Mario that day. He flipped SK, but I feel like my scum hunting and trying to find scum was on full display that day. Look back at Una's posts that day.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, what part of Una's claim seemed townie to you? I understand I have confbias, but it just seems beyond scummy. I crumbed everywhere as well.

She misses an action, and night 4 she states she targets someone who also claimed role cop...? That should have been a for sure sign that GR was scum already. I already pointed out where Una posted after GR claimed during the same day and talked as if the claim were true and GR would just be lying about my role, or that it doesn't prove my alignment. Also, Frog's "expect a role cop" thing is damn implies he thinks a role cop claim in this game is ridiculous and nonexistent, when that's what suns claimed, so there is 100% a role cop in this game no matter how you look at it.

I'm still a HE.

Am I understanding somethingwrong here?
It is not possible to have opposing role cops in the same game?
Because there can be multiple bulletproofs with different alignments..?

This is my point. Different alignments, and opposing role cops. You just basically admitted you were scum here, because to you, he should have been conf scum then and there.
Your vanilla claim is essentially you faking a guilty on him.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Thor - I have confbias because I know Frog lied unless there's a ninja roleblocker. I got a no result on town. There's no other possibility besides me being roleblocked.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also looked in GR's ISO for posts yesterday, and his posts make sense why he town read me and why if he died it would confirm things.

[Flavor Leaf]

In game yesterday, Day 4.

[Flavor Leaf]

If they only have 2 scum, it makes sense for them to vote me today as well, because then they'd get the direct counter tomorrow on GR. They've also been setting Two up in case someone votes there.

[Flavor Leaf]

I already made a post about where his crumbs were when Una tried to discredit his claim, if you want me to quote that again. Or we can wait for him to do it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, so I'm a Rolecop (x shot) and FL is a JOAT. I'm pretty sure Eddie is scum here and that post just seemed like AtE.

Frog is scum here. Today we lynch Eddie, tomorrow we lynch Frog then you can all woo me to who's scum, depending if I'm alive.

Walk me through scum!frog

I'll go over this tomorrow (or if I'm dead you'll understand on my flip).

Easy game, easy money!

I'm happy to move on from this shit today.

FL isn't going to be scum, even more so with his night actions.

Also, I haven't ever seen a loyal scum myself (I think?).
Remember, there was a 3rd party. Scum loyal means that it's intended to find 3rd party which just drops 3rd party at a huge disadvantage right there.

Last 3 people claim, don't really care what order.

Then we lynch Eddie and win from there.
He dipped and I doubt he's going to have much else than AtE when he comes back.

Easy game, easy money.

I was posting on my other accounts. I have over 20 games to deal with and a half solved game isn't my priority.

I don't really care who claims next. Just anyone left do it.

I checked FL last night. He's JOAT, and anyone pushing him today I am going to consider as scum.

I'm going into detail more at a later day or my death says it on flip.

So I just ISO'd GR to see reason for changing his claim. To me everything adds up with his claim. I'm confirmed town, though. These 3 posts all show that weak was always a thing. What other claim would his flip on death would prove him correct? You expect scum to fake a town fake claim only to fake claim a different fake claim....? He even brought up my actions confirming it more with the No Result on Frog. Wanna know why else that makes sense?!?!? SKITTER WAS IN THE SLOT PRIOR TO GR, AND FROG IS THINKBIG'S SLOT, AND SKITTER AND THINKBIG JOINED THIS GAME TO PLAY TOGETHER!!!!

[Flavor Leaf]

I also later explained why this couldn't have been true, because my role stop wouldn't have worked on Frog. GR wasn't even in the game during that time, though. Frog is ascetic, Skitter got role blocked (think if could have pegged him down as a PR early, they came to this game to play with each other). Or frog is a commuter, which would make sense for scum to have a commuter this game with weak/loyal roles, along with SK. Also gives seemingly fake doctor saves from SK kills, had that been a thing.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you were to have gotten watcher on Frog, and believe he was town, there's no way I could have been roleblocked bar a ninja. Also, you confirm. GR should have already been confirmed scum to you.

The game is over after I get lynched.

If GR whipped up a fake claim to save me, what was the point of directly countering Frog?

[Flavor Leaf]

You immediately got the feeling that it was whipped up? That post where you say GR's role doesn't confirm me or anything states otherwise. You were trying not to have me as confirmed town in this game. You were focused on me, not GR. TownUna would already know GR would have been scum in that position.

[Flavor Leaf]

You think 1 scum PR would equal 5 town pr? When the role you are claiming and a full doctor has flipped, with a 1 shot bp SK? And you are pushing scum as one pr? Really?

[Flavor Leaf]

Find the third scum? You already stated who you'd target, and what you expect the result to be. Why would that at all help you "find the third scum"?

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact that I'm being voted and not the one they have a direct counter shows they are scum trying to get town to vote me because of my tunnel on Eddie.

[Flavor Leaf]

Thankfully I don't need Thor's permission to play the game. Nor is his opinion of me the end all be all.

Vote: Flavor Leaf

K, well, if Paul is the last scum and it's not you, you will have lost the game for town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm going to be pissed if Two is town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, Una easily can confirm if I'm a joat or not, and he chose to investigate someone who he should have already known was lying if he were town. If he pushes that I'm a scum joat, I wouldn't have any powers by now, and if I was lying about being a joat, he could figure it out, by role copping me last night. GR made zero sense as a role cop target last night.

[Flavor Leaf]

Stop looking for scapegoats. You've been playing the whole game. I'm a replacement. Who is scum?

No one is looking for scape goats. If you are town, you nearly just lost the game because of throwing down a vote. If you're scum, then you are playing up the derp town well. I have plenty of reasons why Frog and Una are the scum team, and you didn't even read the thread, as you would know they are pushing you as the third scum member.

[Flavor Leaf]

GR made zero sense as a role cop target last night.

And yet that is what I did.
Discrediting me doesn't change facts.

I thought town!rolecop-GR was even less likely than scum!JOAT-FL, so checking you wouldn't have confirmed anything.

K, so you scum claimed here. Like I've been saying, if you were town, you would have had the answer of confscum GR without the investigation, and then investigated me. I understand why you think you fake claimed your targets and why ScumUna thinks that makes sense for TownUna, but it absolutely doesn't. TownUna thought process would be to get a double guilty by targeting me. Does that make sense? Just want you to know why you got caught out. Town Una basically already had a guilty they could have been 100% sure about without using an investigation. Your investigation is just there because you thought it would help push the mislynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not discrediting; I'm stating why you are scum, and why and how that is the move you made. Like, I totally understand your thought process behind it, but it's coming from a scum agenda. I explained this to Mario as well when I was in a 1v1 with him, and he got mad because he didn't understand it. That was his biggest tell, though that he wasn't town, that he actually thought it was him appearing town with his play.

[Flavor Leaf]

OK, lets discuss this in simple terms FL.

I'll assume one last time you might be town.
But I KNOW GR fakeclaimed rolecop, he is vanilla.

A) Does town!VT-GR have any reason to claim rolecop as VT?
B) Does scum!Goon-GR have any reason to back your JOAT-claim up?

Give me your best shot at these.

No to both. So one of you are lying. In my perspective, it's you due to the answer to your B being no.

[Flavor Leaf]

You are voting me, also, while saying things like that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Unvote

I just thought of a potential scenario of GR/Frog/Paul scum team.

[Flavor Leaf]

For that to be true, GR would have to had ignorantly claimed to counter Frog, and they're dealing with that now. I don't think they would have done that on purpose. If Una's town, and Paul were to get online as the third scum, either Frog or GR could switch their vote to hammer and win. I don't think I can believe GR and Frog as a scum team, though. I'm still stuck on my initial wagon. For that scum team to be true, that would mean my wagon was completely comprised of all town early day 1. -.- If Paul is town, and RB slot is scum, then there's the one scum on my wagon, and that would make sense with two's play today, and then GR could have hammered me.

[Flavor Leaf]

No to both. So one of you are lying. In my perspective, it's you due to the answer to your B being no.

So to make this even more simple, you agree with me that IF GR is scum, so are you?
And this is all theoretical, I might add.

No. All I know is Frog is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Frog is confirmed scum from my perspective. Like, that is a given bar the said ninja roleblocked, which if there is a ninja RB, fuck this game. I'm on a train mobile posting, so I can't really quote really well right now, but have Frog/GR had much interaction?

Actually, if RB slot is scum too, that might be why GR was targeting Rb on his entrance into the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Thor is conf town for multiple reasons. A big one just happened. He had no reason to be mad at Two for voting me if that were the case, so if anyone were to push Thor as scum, he'd have to be scum with me. So from my perspective, he's cleared. (Was town reading him off play anyways).

If Una is town, it means GR is a confirmed goon, which means his role cop claim is weird and incredibly lucky that Una was also a role cop, unless scum have another role cop and knew you were a role cop. Frog voted me before you did, Una, correct? And then GR voted you.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Two makes more sense than Paul as the third scum, as that would explain Dunker wagon, Eddie wagon, and the potential end game scenario that almost happened while trying to put me at L-1 with broken boldtags. That would mean RB is the only scum on my wagon from early game. ThinkBig and Skitter both make sense as people who wouldn't have hammered, either.

[Flavor Leaf]

Thing that fucks me up the most is we flat out can't mislynch at all anymore. All of scum has to go back to back. So even if Frog is lynched today, it's going to end up being a 50/50 with Una/GR again. And logic is telling me that what i just stated is likely, if Una is just scum, I'm going to end up beating myself up over it that I persuaded myself against it.

[Flavor Leaf]

That puts 2 scum on Mulch, Mario, and Eddie wagons.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't agree to lynch anyone except you or GR today.
He is the confirmed scum so he is the safest option to me, but I'm afraid that we end up having to take a "guessy" lynch on a future day anyway.

That was my reason on why to vote for you first.

I'm the same way with Frog, though. If the team I stated a second ago is correct, then Two definitely was going in for the win.

[Flavor Leaf]

Luckily Two didn't vote correctly. I'm going to laugh if they were trying to set up a quick hammer and failed.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also I don't like flavors backpedaling on the eddie lynch. He doesn't seem very doubtful about his reasoning which heshould be if he was town and caused a mislynch. Hes foorcing his own opinions and not looking to build consensus.

what do you mean backpedaling? I was proven that I was wrong, how is it backpedaling?

I'm pointing things out to try and get people to see I'm town, how is that forcing my own opinions?

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean I have brought up why there would have been a no kill 6+ times now, but sure, just ignore that everyone.

[Flavor Leaf]

so now GR, Thor, and I are scum. Great.

[Flavor Leaf]

Notice how the Scum weren't even on the SK while Mario was obvious Scum? That's because of town credit.

Except that I jumped on Mario after he claimed vig, because I had KNOWLEDGE of his Bulletproof.
I just didn't know whether he was Mafia or SK.

No you didn't. All you did was intent to hammer someone that you knew was lying. You were not on the mario wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Notice how the Scum weren't even on the SK while Mario was obvious Scum? That's because of town credit.

Except that I jumped on Mario after he claimed vig, because I had KNOWLEDGE of his Bulletproof.

I just didn't know whether he was Mafia or SK.

Lol...? Either way, you lynch it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I concede that a rolestopper would solve Night 3 if Flavor Leaf and I were both town, but they would have to be a scum rolestopper since town has not claimed one yet, and Flavor Leaf would be the likeliest candidate for that given the claim.

Hang on, this makes absolutely no sense either

Regardless

I claimed a rolestopper and I claimed when I used it. This actually furthers my point of why Una makes no sense to target someone he already should have had a guilty on and instead target me.

It's Frog/Una/Two. Two might be derping, and then I go back to Frog/Una/Paul.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol...? Either way, you lynch it.

I have read the wiki and games from this forum for some time, and there have been games and players like Eddie(I think?) who say that SK can be more helpful to Town than Mafia.

So? you still lynch the liar. You don't purposefully keep the SK alive in any situation where we were in when we lynched him.

[Flavor Leaf]

so now GR, Thor, and I are scum. Great.

No, Thor isn't scum yet.
I'm just getting paranoid that he is trying to deflect the kill away from you.
I do realize that from his perspective nothing is set on stone, but its hard to understand his hesitation when everything is factual/logical to yourself.

You honestly got me taking few steps back earlier FL, try to do it again.

I mean, I'm fucking town so he should fucking try to deflect the kill away from me. Frog is 100% confirmed scum due to reasons not even regarding GR to me. If GR isn't a partner, then you have to be a partner. Either way Frog is scum in every single possible scum team.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also: GRs vote has been on me for the whole day (pretty much), and if he wasn't scum, a three person scumteam would've already hammered me.
I don't know if NRTP has visited this game during that time, but...

This is wrong and you pushing a perspective bias.

[Flavor Leaf]

that's exactly what scum do. Town would try and help the remaining people see they are town and who scum is by not making it a direct counter. All you do is "I'm town, so. this...." which does absolutely nothing for town, and just puts them in a 50/50 slot where they have to guess.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, try to discredit my RoleCop claim one more time, I left my most plain crumb out, the one that basically confirms I had checked Mario night one.

This shows that you set up a fake claim. Also, I could say that same thing to you about my crumbing, except mine isn't setting up an obvious fake claim like yours. Mine proves I targeted Frog night 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hey, guys. I'm here. If SD was a vig shot, then TB is likely town.

Hey, guys. I'm here. If SD was a vig shot, then TB is likely town.

I not follow. Explain dis

No. don't talk about it.

Why not frog?

Read my ISO, and then let's talk about something else.

there's like barely anything in your iso about frog, and you don't even interact with him

there's just one statement where you say you think frog is town

so again: why not frog?

maybe look for the predecessor.

Until I get more information, I'm going to want to keep Frog alive.

Man, Rb, how obvious do I have to make it?

frog first makes sense tho cause he's gonna fake a pr and we need the night to prove he's wrong

Can we please wait on frog...I've tried over and over to explain why, based on the vig talk earlier. If a vig doesn't out himself stating they killed SD, sure, let's go Frog, but let's at least wait a day or two. I have reason to believe he's town, as stated before.

Actually, if there was a N1 Vigilante, maybe they should claim if they shot SD, then I think Frog's nearly conftown for reasons that I should feel are obvious by now.

town is probably 4 pr.

so you're saying you want to out those PR's?

I can explain why I am against it tomorrow better if I'm alive still.

Okay, Frog. These are some posts that hopefully can help you out when reading me. I have constantly been posting about scum likely knowing the PR's as it was obvious at the time. There's a quote somewhere where I'm talking to RB, and I link Rb's name, too. A big part of my 1v1 with Mario was that he was role fishing me, and yesterday I was completely against mass claiming for those reasons. I felt like Eddie was trying to get the roles out so he can pick where he wanted to kill.

Here were some of my posts that show I was a PR. 2300 has a link on RB's name, and I feel like that should show that we can't be scum together based on interactions like that. I made this post in my conversation with Frog, yet Frog didn't even acknowledge that I had made this after Una posted a list of his obvious fake claim setup softs.

Crumbing wasn't my only PR play, my actions and how I was playing shows I'm a PR. Only your crumbs do that for you.

[Flavor Leaf]

This actually furthers my point of why Una makes no sense to target someone he already should have had a guilty on and instead target me.

His fakeclaim conf.biased you hard though.

I suspected your claim from the start.
Then when Eddies and frogs claims matched and countered yours, I was already eager to believe them over you.
And now that I know what Eddie flipped, and that GR fakeclaimed SUPPORTING YOU, I don't see a way around it.

Frogs claim didn't counter mine wtf? And neither did Eddie's. If anything, Frog's claim supported mine.

[Flavor Leaf]

Una keeps stating things that aren't true to push her agenda. "what agenda" the scum one!!! literally had this discussion with mario.

and you know what, I was right with Mario?

[Flavor Leaf]

This shows that you set up a fake claim. Also, I could say that same thing to you about my crumbing, except mine isn't setting up an obvious fake claim like yours. Mine proves I targeted Frog night 1.

How, and why? What?
How about I crumbed my claim because its real and I wanted my teammates to believe it?
How does yours PROVE that you targeted Frog? Or even if it does, how does it prove you are town?

all these questions go towards you as well. Think...please.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is a completely useless and circular discussion, and town would behave in a way that didn't multiply worthless content

So you're calling Una scum now too? Because that's the reason this is happening.

[Flavor Leaf]

...and we are back to this. ME and frog going 2v2 with you guys.
This doesn't help, we are stuck in circles.

NTRP needs to arrive and we need the three of them to discuss.

honestly this is inherently scummy as well. If there are three scum, NTRP/Two are just going to get in the exact same thing we are in. Two's already set that up. If Paul is scum, you guys essentially win already.

[Flavor Leaf]

They likely are waiting for Paul to help convince Thor to lynch me.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is a completely useless and circular discussion, and town would behave in a way that didn't multiply worthless content

So you're calling Una scum now too? Because that's the reason this is happening.

The level of activity suggests that you are the reason this is happening, but, regardless, we're all participating

I maintain the best thing the four of us can do is speak only when we are spoken to

I always post the most when I'm online.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is a completely useless and circular discussion, and town would behave in a way that didn't multiply worthless content

So you're calling Una scum now too? Because that's the reason this is happening.

The level of activity suggests that you are the reason this is happening, but, regardless, we're all participating

I maintain the best thing the four of us can do is speak only when we are spoken to

And I do essentially that already, except I generally dissect with like 3 posts per spoken to.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fuck off. You know I meant faking the setup for a town role cop which you proved when you stated "I am Town Role Cop." Sure, nobody is going to take that seriously right now, but post game that will indeed be seen as a tell.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hey, guys. I'm here. If SD was a vig shot, then TB is likely town.

My first post Day 2.

[Flavor Leaf]

Before any vig claims.

[Flavor Leaf]

It breaks my heart, but I think Mario is actually scum here.
Worrysome for my future games where he might be present, because I got the exact same read of him that I've gotten in previous games, and in those he was town even though I doubted him.

Good job on Flavor Leaf for actually enduring and pushing it through.
I would not have seen it so clearly if I hadn't just re-read Mario in my paranoia, and noticed how similar FL vs Mario is compared to Mulch vs Mario, on a larger canvas.
And we all know what happened there.
I'm glad I didn't open my mouth during any of that, I might have given him a chance to side-track.

INTENT TO HAMMER

. Mario, apparently you have already claimed, so I'm not sure if I just wait for your last reads or what?
Or do I wait for anything?

Also: I am 90% sure there is at least on scum in his wagon now that he was put on L-1.
PROBABLY NOT Flavor Leaf, but it's not completely off the table.
Wavemode, Game Replacement, NotTheRealPaul and Dunkerdoodles are IMO where we should at least start tomorrow.

Also, note how Una only quoted part of this and omitted the good job to me. You said here "you would not have seen it so clearly if I hadn't just re-read in my paranoia" along with "I'm glad I didn't open my mouth during any of that, I might have given him a chance to side track". NO YOU WOULDNT HAVE IF YOU CAUGHT HIM OUT LYING.

Also note the four people that he posted should start with tomorrow, none of them are people that he's likely scum with. Two of those people are FLIPPED TOWN PR's.

This goes directly against what you just said, and you only showed parts of your quote to make a point. Please see this, Thor and whoever is town out of Paul/Two.

[Flavor Leaf]

It breaks my heart, but I think Mario is actually scum here.

These are not crumbs for a fakeclaim, these are crumbs/actions resulting from my N1 check on Mario.

It breaks my heart, but I think Mario is actually scum here.
Worrysome for my future games where he might be present, because I got the exact same read of him that I've gotten in previous games, and in those he was town even though I doubted him.

Good job on Flavor Leaf for actually enduring and pushing it through.

I would not have seen it so clearly if I hadn't just re-read Mario in my paranoia,

and noticed how similar FL vs Mario is compared to Mulch vs Mario, on a larger canvas.
And we all know what happened there.

I'm glad I didn't open my mouth during any of that, I might have given him a chance to side-track.

INTENT TO HAMMER

.

Mario, apparently you have already claimed, so I'm not sure if I just wait for your last reads or what?

Or do I wait for anything?

Also: I am 90% sure there is at least on scum in his wagon now that he was put on L-1.
PROBABLY NOT Flavor Leaf, but it's not completely off the table.

Wavemode, Game Replacement, NotTheRealPaul and Dunkerdoodles

are IMO where we should at least start tomorrow.

All of what I just bolded directly contradicts what Una said about her heart breaking comment crumbing that Mario was your result, and it only makes sense if you are a SCUM role cop because the rest of your post is pushing Mario as maybe not scum.

"I thought he could be SK which can help town." No, just no. You knew he was lying, so if you thought he could be SK, it only makes sense for that thought if you are scum, and then someone directly lies against your result. By no means could there have been a chance for him to side track if a Town Role Cop opened their mouth after getting a result on someone that you 100% knew was lying.

Hook, Line, and Sinker. You're done. This is over. You are caught out scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, note how Una only quoted part of this and omitted the good job to me. You said here "you would not have seen it so clearly if I hadn't just re-read in my paranoia" along with "I'm glad I didn't open my mouth during any of that, I might have given him a chance to side track". NO YOU WOULDNT HAVE IF YOU CAUGHT HIM OUT LYING.

Also note the four people that he posted should start with tomorrow, none of them are people that he's likely scum with. Two of those people are FLIPPED TOWN PR's.

This goes directly against what you just said, and you only showed parts of your quote to make a point. Please see this, Thor and whoever is town out of Paul/Two.

Frankly I didn't want to full out claim unless I had to.
Look at how I backtracked in twilight because I hinted too much to Mario.

1) I just stated how you absolutely did not hint as a "town" role cop.
2) No comment on the omitting of said quote that contradicts everything he's been saying.
3) YOU HAD THE RESULT WHICH PROVED HE WAS LYING AND YOU WEREN'T EVEN ON THE WAGON!!!!!!

@Thor and whichever of Paul/Two are town, it's on you guys from here. I have made so many actual cases on the potential scum teams, while all Una/Frog do is "oh, from my perspective" cases I have done that, sure, but I have also actually made cases that don't rely on perspective, which is something they haven't done at all.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have made so many actual cases on the potential scum teams, while all Una/Frog do is "oh, from my perspective" cases I have done that, sure, but

I have also actually made cases that don't rely on perspective

, which is something they haven't done at all.

No you have not

I literally JUST MADE A NON PERSPECTIVE CASE ON UNA like...two posts before you posted this.

[Flavor Leaf]

Game Replacement's narrative requires a basically pacifistic scum

Not only the failure to push any wagon, but also, on at least one night, deliberately not killing anybody

They have no way of explaining the lack of a death on Night 3, which is pretty significant along with all the other oddities with their claims

I'm seriously getting the point where I'm going to just explode. I HAVE FUCKING ANSWERED THIS FUCKING THING LIKE 7 TIMES NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This proves that either A) They are not reading the thread and pushing aimlessly, or B) Choosing to discredit the past 7 times I've proven this wrong.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hey, now you know how I feel

(Also, I know you are going with 'no kill' or 'traitor', but, in a vacuum, that is a lot less likely than 'doctor', is it not?)

sure, that's why you're using it to mislynch me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Thor is town. Thor can only be scum if I'm scum with him at this point, and if you have a clear on me, you have a clear on him. He could have convinced Two to vote me instead of talking down two of voting me if Thor was scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm actually leaning Paul as third scum, moreso than Two, which would explain his lurking more. Probably waiting for Thor or Two to vote me.

@Two - Una looks worse on vote counts than Paul considering play and action claims.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Two - Flavor Leaf looks worse on vote counts than Paul considering play and action claims

False. there's 100% scum on my early game wagon. If anything, that nearly clears me through VCA.

[Flavor Leaf]

Have any of you other three realised this is a complete waste of time yet, or are you committed to shouting into a void?

It's only a waste of time because I am making actual cases on you guys, and you just try to discredit them. I made an ACTUAL case on Una a few pages ago, and two posts later you said I was only making perspective cases, like you guys, which is a blatant PROVEN lie.

The longer this goes, the more actual cases we can put out and it is much worse for you guys, which is why you are trying to speed this up.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why is there 100% scum on your wagon, but 0% on the others?

Oh, of course, because of your perspective, my bad

(Everyone else, think how unlikely that is)

Where are you getting 0% from? That's another blatant lie.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dunker wagon had one of Two or Paul.
Eddie wagon had one of Two or Paul.
Mario's wagon had Two and Paul on it, along with Una's apparent knowing Mario was lying yet wasn't on.
Mulch wagon had one of Two and Paul.

*using Two when it could have been Rb.

You guys are purposefully staying off the wagons because of all the strong town personalities in this game tearing each other part, while using Paul to help out with wherever you need.

[Flavor Leaf]

It breaks my heart, but I think Mario is actually scum here.
Worrysome for my future games where he might be present, because I got the exact same read of him that I've gotten in previous games, and in those he was town even though I doubted him.

Good job on Flavor Leaf for actually enduring and pushing it through.
I would not have seen it so clearly if I hadn't just re-read Mario in my paranoia, and noticed how similar FL vs Mario is compared to Mulch vs Mario, on a larger canvas.
And we all know what happened there.
I'm glad I didn't open my mouth during any of that, I might have given him a chance to side-track.

INTENT TO HAMMER

. Mario, apparently you have already claimed, so I'm not sure if I just wait for your last reads or what?
Or do I wait for anything?

Also: I am 90% sure there is at least on scum in his wagon now that he was put on L-1.
PROBABLY NOT Flavor Leaf, but it's not completely off the table.
Wavemode, Game Replacement, NotTheRealPaul and Dunkerdoodles are IMO where we should at least start tomorrow.

Also, note how Una only quoted part of this and omitted the good job to me. You said here "you would not have seen it so clearly if I hadn't just re-read in my paranoia" along with "I'm glad I didn't open my mouth during any of that, I might have given him a chance to side track". NO YOU WOULDNT HAVE IF YOU CAUGHT HIM OUT LYING.

Also note the four people that he posted should start with tomorrow, none of them are people that he's likely scum with. Two of those people are FLIPPED TOWN PR's.

This goes directly against what you just said, and you only showed parts of your quote to make a point. Please see this, Thor and whoever is town out of Paul/Two.

It breaks my heart, but I think Mario is actually scum here.

These are not crumbs for a fakeclaim, these are crumbs/actions resulting from my N1 check on Mario.

It breaks my heart, but I think Mario is actually scum here.
Worrysome for my future games where he might be present, because I got the exact same read of him that I've gotten in previous games, and in those he was town even though I doubted him.

Good job on Flavor Leaf for actually enduring and pushing it through.

I would not have seen it so clearly if I hadn't just re-read Mario in my paranoia,

and noticed how similar FL vs Mario is compared to Mulch vs Mario, on a larger canvas.
And we all know what happened there.

I'm glad I didn't open my mouth during any of that, I might have given him a chance to side-track.

INTENT TO HAMMER

.

Mario, apparently you have already claimed, so I'm not sure if I just wait for your last reads or what?

Or do I wait for anything?

Also: I am 90% sure there is at least on scum in his wagon now that he was put on L-1.
PROBABLY NOT Flavor Leaf, but it's not completely off the table.

Wavemode, Game Replacement, NotTheRealPaul and Dunkerdoodles

are IMO where we should at least start tomorrow.

All of what I just bolded directly contradicts what Una said about her heart breaking comment crumbing that Mario was your result, and it only makes sense if you are a SCUM role cop because the rest of your post is pushing Mario as maybe not scum.

"I thought he could be SK which can help town." No, just no. You knew he was lying, so if you thought he could be SK, it only makes sense for that thought if you are scum, and then someone directly lies against your result. By no means could there have been a chance for him to side track if a Town Role Cop opened their mouth after getting a result on someone that you 100% knew was lying.

Hook, Line, and Sinker. You're done. This is over. You are caught out scum.

Frog is calling this a perspective case. This game is over. They are actually caught out lying and contradicting themselves.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why is there 100% scum on your wagon, but 0% on the others?

Oh, of course, because of your perspective, my bad

(Everyone else, think how unlikely that is)

Where are you getting 0% from? That's another blatant lie.

Sorry, who was third scum to you again? I admit I am losing track

Two or Paul, most likely Paul. I literally just stated that. Read the damn thread. I don't feel like anybody should be certain on their slots, because if 3 scum they are also a direct 1v1, so this is just yet another attempt at discrediting.

[Flavor Leaf]

NTRP is now omgusing me.

To be fair, it makes sense from either alignment side, as you guys are a direct 1v1 with Thor lock town. (to be fair, he's only lock town to me, and should be GR).

Paul's waiting for me to be L-1 to hammer me likely.

[Flavor Leaf]

You can argue logic and WIFOM all day, but GameReplacement is scum.
Period.

You can argue logic and WIFOM all day, but Frog is scum.
Period.

@Frog - Why don't you call out your buddy for doing the same exact thing but on a higher level?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Frog - Why don't you call out your buddy for doing the same exact thing but on a higher level?

Why don't you call out your buddy for doing the exact same thing but on a higher level?

I mean, GR as town knows what's happening more than any of us from his confbias, due to him being in a direct 2v1. It is different.

[Flavor Leaf]

So we're essentially in a 3v3 I'd say at this point. FL/GR/Two vs Frog/Una/Paul, with Paul lurking waiting for a hammer likely.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would have no trouble suspecting GR, unless it supported all my other reads/logical chains about this game so far.

I can say the same. You see why your logic is flawed? These are the only cases you two have been making where, sure, I have been making these as well, but I have been pushing VCA, Una contradicting, I even went and started making cases of how GR could have been scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

So we're essentially in a 3v3 I'd say at this point. FL/GR/Two vs Frog/Una/Paul, with Paul lurking waiting for a hammer likely.

Wait a minute.
Did you just confirm TiaM as your scumbuddy?

No, that's half my point in this. We're a 3v3, yet Two is still leaning me, which shows we're the town 3.

[Flavor Leaf]

So you actually just scum slipped and confirmed you are scum with Paul there, so that's pretty cool.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not at all. But I love that's your only argument.
My entire meta as Scum or town has not changed in 2+ years over 6 accounts. Why would it change in this one game?

Contradicting yourself? You have done it before, and recently. If your meta has changed before, why might it not change again?

Una's contradicted herself much more.

[Flavor Leaf]

so that's you being hypocritical.

[Flavor Leaf]

as usual.

[Flavor Leaf]

So you actually just scum slipped and confirmed you are scum with Paul there, so that's pretty cool.

Not at all my dear scum!
I said nothing of the sort.

I just found it funny you assume TiaM is automatically on your side in this situation, while his last posts include "I still think Flavor Leaf and NTRP are scum"

that's literally my fucking point.

[Flavor Leaf]

So we're essentially in a 3v3 I'd say at this point. FL/GR/Two vs Frog/Una/Paul, with Paul lurking waiting for a hammer likely.

Wait a minute.
Did you just confirm TiaM as your scumbuddy?

No, that's half my point in this. We're a 3v3,

yet Two is still leaning me

, which shows we're the town 3.

I literally just fucking said that.

[Flavor Leaf]

By the way, if you cannot tell, I am being facetious, because there is no other response to people claiming perspective and confirmation bias for objective, provable truth

None of us are going anywhere, none of us have ever been going anywhere

You will still be going when I wake up tomorrow morning

Good night!

This is incredibly not true. I am flat out pointing out lies and contradictions while you two are just saying "nope" and discrediting without showing how it is discrediting. You just have a "you're wrong because I said so", and aren't doing anything. I have been making case after case after god damn case and still just "Nope" "perspective". when that is shown to be absolutely not true. Even if you don't think the case is strong, it is STILL NOT PERSPECTIVE.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also I don't contradict myself as much as you would like to try and point out.

no, you do it more. And if anything, you admitted here to contradicting yourself when you say "as much" because that implies it's less contradicting than I stated, which means there is contradicting.

[Flavor Leaf]

This isn't even perspective cases I'm making or a circular argument, as I make these for the remaining town players, not you, whereas you make them trying to discredit us.

[Flavor Leaf]

So they gave up NTRP. Easy game easy money.

They also decided both to leave after this sort of conversation was coming up.

[Flavor Leaf]

This game sucks for Thor having to be the one to deal with the 3v3. In actuality, they are clearing Thor without having any reasons, as Thor can only be scum with me at this point to all of you.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Frog

Up to you essentially now, Thor. Hopefully Two doesn't derp.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't see where Flavor is reaching his conclusions.

which conclusions? Have you not been reading the thread? If you're here, just ask and I'll explain every single one to you.

Game Replacement is a claimed odd night weak Role Cop, weak means he dies if he targets anything not town, so he knows I'm town.

Frog is an odd night watcher who claimed nobody targeted me Night 3, the same day GR got the result. I also got a No Result on my investigation on Eddie. I have the loyal modifier, which means my results will fail if I target scum, which means I'd get a No Result if I target scum. Eddie was town, which means I got role blocked, as there was no other possibility, and since Frog claimed nobody targeted me AFTER Eddie and I had both claimed, I can see why it made sense for ScumFrog to claim there, but he was caught out in the fact that GR targeted me successfully. Had GR not done that, they would have been able to mislynch both myself and Eddie, in any order. Had I been lynched yesterday, this would be Eddie in my spot.

Una is scum because he contradicted himself with his night action claims. Night 1 he said he got a 1-shot BP claim on Mario, yet when Mario claimed Vigilante, Una didn't call him out as lying, even went so far as to let him live and state his actions, and talked about not wanting to talk so that people wouldn't get side tracked. Night 2 he conveniently said he missed his action. Night 3 Thor is vanilla. Night 4, he said GR is Vanilla. This is the big one for me, actually. Una as town would have no need to investigate GR there. Una claimed to be a role cop, and if he were town, he would already know GR was lying, so this was a made up night action.

Thor is town, because if he was scum, he had no reason to not want you to vote me earlier. So Thor can only be scum if I am scum with him, if that makes sense. Mixed in with other play and whatnot, but yeah. Had you voted me, Thor could have just hammered and won the game, so I have Thor as lock town.

because of this, GR/Myself are in a direct 2v2 with Una/Frog. If there are 3 scum, that means 100% that one of Two and Paul are also scum. With one of the comments they made last page, it shows that either Una/Frog/Paul are the scum team, or Flavor/GR/Two is the scum team. We're in a direct 3v3 now.

This isn't just my conclusion either. This is the general consensus.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel I was being pushed earlier, because had Two voted me, they would have won, and now they're on GR to try and get Thor on with them. If one of you two vote incorrectly, the game is over.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Two - This is why they proved Paul is their partner.

So we're essentially in a 3v3 I'd say at this point. FL/GR/Two vs Frog/Una/Paul, with Paul lurking waiting for a hammer likely.

Wait a minute.
Did you just confirm TiaM as your scumbuddy?

So we're essentially in a 3v3 I'd say at this point. FL/GR/Two vs Frog/Una/Paul, with Paul lurking waiting for a hammer likely.

Wait a minute.
Did you just confirm TiaM as your scumbuddy?

No, that's half my point in this. We're a 3v3, yet Two is still leaning me, which shows we're the town 3.

So you actually just scum slipped and confirmed you are scum with Paul there, so that's pretty cool.

So you actually just scum slipped and confirmed you are scum with Paul there, so that's pretty cool.

Not at all my dear scum!
I said nothing of the sort.

I just found it funny you assume TiaM is automatically on your side in this situation, while his last posts include "I still think Flavor Leaf and NTRP are scum"

that's literally my fucking point.

[Flavor Leaf]

What it comes down to for me is Una and Frog are providing a much worse argument than Flavor is. Even though I distrust Flavor because of day 4, I am inclined to vote with him.

Yeah, I fucked up that day.

[Flavor Leaf]

What it comes down to for me is Una and Frog are providing a much worse argument than Flavor is. Even though I distrust Flavor because of day 4, I am inclined to vote with him.

What do you find particularly convincing? For someone who places a lot of significance on players being on town wagons, why are you disregarding Flavor Leaf's and Game Replacement's presence on several of them?

You've only been on 1 lynch wagon, and it was town. So 100% of the lynches you've been on were town. Mario was an actual scum, and you are playing a game where you are staying off the wagons. Una knew Mario was lying and was still giving him a chance. You've had Paul pushing the lynches through anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, the way you are trying to convince Two, even though if you were town, at this point he would be confirmed scum to you. The fact you were still trying to convince him shows Thor that our 3 is the town 3.

[Flavor Leaf]

What it comes down to for me is Una and Frog are providing a much worse argument than Flavor is. Even though I distrust Flavor because of day 4, I am inclined to vote with him.

What do you find particularly convincing? For someone who places a lot of significance on players being on town wagons, why are you disregarding Flavor Leaf's and Game Replacement's presence on several of them?

You've only been on 1 lynch wagon, and it was town. So 100% of the lynches you've been on were town. Mario was an actual scum, and you are playing a game where you are staying off the wagons. Una knew Mario was lying and was still giving him a chance. You've had Paul pushing the lynches through anyways.

I have not been on any lynch wagons.

'Try again'

Also, the way you are trying to convince Two, even though if you were town, at this point he would be confirmed scum to you. The fact you were still trying to convince him shows Thor that our 3 is the town 3.

As much as I am trying to convince TiaM, I am also trying to sort him. It was something of a turnabout, don't you think? I am also not a fan of you arbitrarily dividing the three remaining players. The only dividing lines today are between Una and I and you and GR.

oh fuck, that's even scummier. I thought you were on Mulch, lol. Purposefully staying off wagons. I already explained why that's a good scum move this game considering the strong personalities.

You guys divided, not me. I just went along with it, and it's proven true. Now you're just trying to muddy the waters again to get potential mislynches down the road. You guys brought up and reworded what I said about Two likely being the last town for reasons I've already stated, so yes, I see this as a you guys creating the 3v3 and me solidfying the reads because of it. If 3 scum, it is confirmed that one of Paul and Two are scum, and everyone's showed their hand already, so stop trying to muddy the waters to your benefit. Two sorting between the two groups proves he's town anyways. Paul has done nothing this day phase.

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact you were still trying to convince him shows Thor that our 3 is the town 3.

This just screams manipulation.
"X shows Thor Y" is you trying to place your own thoughts on him.

And TiaM completely making a 180 turn after saying he still suspects you most is confirming him as scum to me too.

You decided to go with a full-on play to win today, because you realize how much you lose ground if either of you or GR flip today.

This day seems like the real "decisive moment" to me, if we survive today, we most likely win the game.

lol, okay to the bold. So someone sorting and trying to figure out the game is confirming him as scum to you? Thanks for drawing the line even further now. Tell your partner that muddying it is pointless at this point.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not wrong when I say that to Thor. It should show that we're the town group. Thor is the tie breaker; all of these comments should directly lead back to Thor, because in the end, his reads basically are the only reads that matter. Am I not supposed to give my thoughts to Thor? Like, isn't that the entire point of our entire conflict for the day? Like, for both sides of this, that should be the goal; to get Thor to read correctly. And that's exactly what I'm trying to accomplish. It's not manipulation; it's me building on my case against you guys and to further show that I am town.

All town members should try and place their thoughts on people they also think are town. Can't be playing as a solo player. Town reads are just as good as scum reads, if not better.

[Flavor Leaf]

but I was weighting whether he was SK or BP-mafia.

Either are scum, why would it matter?
So that's a lie right there.

HONESTLY??
I have said the same thing so many times now, and all you can do is say I'm lying.

Tell me why Mafia!UnaB would hesitate killing a confirmed SK?
Tell me, I beg of you.

You didn't hesitate. You stated your intent to hammer. This is another contradiction. You were going to kill him but were feigning town play. There is no reason to state "Oh, he's the SK? Let's not lynch him then!" Absolutely no reason, and there was only 1 kill on Night 1 on an unlikely target. There is absolutely no reason for TownUna in that position to potentially give Mario a way out.

[Flavor Leaf]

but I was weighting whether he was SK or BP-mafia.

Either are scum, why would it matter?
So that's a lie right there.

HONESTLY??
I have said the same thing so many times now, and all you can do is say I'm lying.

Tell me why Mafia!UnaB would hesitate killing a confirmed SK?
Tell me, I beg of you.

Just like your claimed night action on GR last night, it's just makes absolutely no sense as town. All you are doing is saying "nope. tell me why mafiauna would do that." I am explaining why, and you just shun that option, so you are asking these questions even though you aren't going to accept any answer. Not a single answer. So you are forcing us to make a WIFOM explanation of why you would do it, without backing up play on your end, without accepting any possible answer from us, all the while discrediting us at the same time.

[Flavor Leaf]

na knew Mario was lying and was still giving him a chance.

This still doesn't follow logic if I was scum.
As scum, and ESPECIALLY as scum I would want to lynch Mario right away.
If anything, my hesitation should prove to you that I am town.
I don't like to repeat myself a million times, but I was weighting whether he was SK or BP-mafia.
And if he was SK, would he be of more assistance to Town if we let him live.

And the most important thing: I wanted to use the opportunity to crumb more, but not completely reveal myself/claim.

You make it more complicated than it ever was.

Mario was pushing a crap load of townies, and there was only 1 kill during night 1, before he claimed Novice even. And then he started semi softing and talking about a potential vig. Why would you want him dead as Scum? He was a mislynch target hard pushing potential mislynches, likely never going to shoot Rb, Frog, or you (eventually he might have shot you). Also, Mario claimed he was going to shoot me and confirm it. If you thought he could be SK, him shooting me would have been great for you, which is likely why you were trying to give him an out. There is never a reason to keep a SK alive unless you would lose the game in doing so.

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum like to line up mis lynches. Was you in threat to him killing you, Una or NTRP? No.

This scum apparently doesn't like to line up mislynches, considering they haven't been on any!

Really, for every contrived argument you can make about our voting patterns being scummy, we can point to you being on town and PR wagons

For every claim that you breadcrumbed, we can claim we breadcrumbed at least as much as you

For every piece of night action WIFOM, we can point to yours

It really is that simple

Tell Una that in reverse. Una does it more than I do. Again, I'm not doing this for any of you guys. I'm doing this for the remaining town. You guys state all this seemingly talking directly to us in a way that comes off as trying to convince us that you aren't scum when we already know you are.