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[frog]

If anyone has been flip-flopping, it is Flavor Leaf, who accused us of being scummy for pushing TiaM as third scum earlier and who now has him as scum himself, and Game Replacement, who changed his claim from Day 4 to Day 5

'Try again?'

[frog]

Hey, now you know how I feel

(Also, I know you are going with 'no kill' or 'traitor', but, in a vacuum, that is a lot less likely than 'doctor', is it not?)

sure, that's why you're using it to mislynch me.

Or why you are scum?

[Game Replacement]

Look, I have a clear on FL.
Una and Frog have been flip flopping all day and this is a typical fake claim from scum in MyLo
Thor acting dumb doesn't sit well with me either.

I'm acting dumb?
Aw crap.
What is this "flip-flopping" they're doing exactly?
I don't think it exists.
They've presented silly logic, but they haven't flip-flopped on anything I saw.

I hope it's acting dumb because if not, you're losing your touch.
Well for a start they aren't posting as if I'm confirmed Scum then they change it. Flip flop with socks, no going back.

[Flavor Leaf]

Thor is town. Thor can only be scum if I'm scum with him at this point, and if you have a clear on me, you have a clear on him. He could have convinced Two to vote me instead of talking down two of voting me if Thor was scum.

[Game Replacement]

Thor is town. Thor can only be scum if I'm scum with him at this point, and if you have a clear on me, you have a clear on him. He could have convinced Two to vote me instead of talking down two of voting me if Thor was scum.

Then he needs to stop acting dumb and pretending that Scum never avoid wagons.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm actually leaning Paul as third scum, moreso than Two, which would explain his lurking more. Probably waiting for Thor or Two to vote me.

@Two - Una looks worse on vote counts than Paul considering play and action claims.

[frog]

@Two - Flavor Leaf looks worse on vote counts than Paul considering play and action claims

[frog]

Have any of you other three realised this is a complete waste of time yet, or are you committed to shouting into a void?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Two - Flavor Leaf looks worse on vote counts than Paul considering play and action claims

False. there's 100% scum on my early game wagon. If anything, that nearly clears me through VCA.

[NotTheRealPaul]

i just realized two is scum. pretty much if thor is town, two is scum. there is 2 scum (i think) in gr/fl/frog/una and that leaves thor and two. two's pushes have been shitty and i tr thor which means two issvum.

thats assuming three man scum team. but i think there is bcuz if its a two man scumteam thats dumb because of the whole gr/fl/frog/una situation bcuz its almost like guaranteed ur gonna get caught and then fucked.

[Flavor Leaf]

Have any of you other three realised this is a complete waste of time yet, or are you committed to shouting into a void?

It's only a waste of time because I am making actual cases on you guys, and you just try to discredit them. I made an ACTUAL case on Una a few pages ago, and two posts later you said I was only making perspective cases, like you guys, which is a blatant PROVEN lie.

The longer this goes, the more actual cases we can put out and it is much worse for you guys, which is why you are trying to speed this up.

[frog]

Why is there 100% scum on your wagon, but 0% on the others?

Oh, of course, because of your perspective, my bad

(Everyone else, think how unlikely that is)

[Flavor Leaf]

Why is there 100% scum on your wagon, but 0% on the others?

Oh, of course, because of your perspective, my bad

(Everyone else, think how unlikely that is)

Where are you getting 0% from? That's another blatant lie.

[frog]

It's only a waste of time because

I am making actual cases on you guys

, and you just try to discredit them. I made an ACTUAL case on Una a few pages ago, and two posts later you said I was only making perspective cases, like you guys, which is a blatant PROVEN lie.

No you are not

Proof does not become any more proof-y when you capitalise it

[Flavor Leaf]

Dunker wagon had one of Two or Paul.
Eddie wagon had one of Two or Paul.
Mario's wagon had Two and Paul on it, along with Una's apparent knowing Mario was lying yet wasn't on.
Mulch wagon had one of Two and Paul.

*using Two when it could have been Rb.

You guys are purposefully staying off the wagons because of all the strong town personalities in this game tearing each other part, while using Paul to help out with wherever you need.

[frog]

Why is there 100% scum on your wagon, but 0% on the others?

Oh, of course, because of your perspective, my bad

(Everyone else, think how unlikely that is)

Where are you getting 0% from? That's another blatant lie.

Sorry, who was third scum to you again? I admit I am losing track

[Flavor Leaf]

It breaks my heart, but I think Mario is actually scum here.
Worrysome for my future games where he might be present, because I got the exact same read of him that I've gotten in previous games, and in those he was town even though I doubted him.

Good job on Flavor Leaf for actually enduring and pushing it through.
I would not have seen it so clearly if I hadn't just re-read Mario in my paranoia, and noticed how similar FL vs Mario is compared to Mulch vs Mario, on a larger canvas.
And we all know what happened there.
I'm glad I didn't open my mouth during any of that, I might have given him a chance to side-track.

INTENT TO HAMMER

. Mario, apparently you have already claimed, so I'm not sure if I just wait for your last reads or what?
Or do I wait for anything?

Also: I am 90% sure there is at least on scum in his wagon now that he was put on L-1.
PROBABLY NOT Flavor Leaf, but it's not completely off the table.
Wavemode, Game Replacement, NotTheRealPaul and Dunkerdoodles are IMO where we should at least start tomorrow.

Also, note how Una only quoted part of this and omitted the good job to me. You said here "you would not have seen it so clearly if I hadn't just re-read in my paranoia" along with "I'm glad I didn't open my mouth during any of that, I might have given him a chance to side track". NO YOU WOULDNT HAVE IF YOU CAUGHT HIM OUT LYING.

Also note the four people that he posted should start with tomorrow, none of them are people that he's likely scum with. Two of those people are FLIPPED TOWN PR's.

This goes directly against what you just said, and you only showed parts of your quote to make a point. Please see this, Thor and whoever is town out of Paul/Two.

It breaks my heart, but I think Mario is actually scum here.

These are not crumbs for a fakeclaim, these are crumbs/actions resulting from my N1 check on Mario.

It breaks my heart, but I think Mario is actually scum here.
Worrysome for my future games where he might be present, because I got the exact same read of him that I've gotten in previous games, and in those he was town even though I doubted him.

Good job on Flavor Leaf for actually enduring and pushing it through.

I would not have seen it so clearly if I hadn't just re-read Mario in my paranoia,

and noticed how similar FL vs Mario is compared to Mulch vs Mario, on a larger canvas.
And we all know what happened there.

I'm glad I didn't open my mouth during any of that, I might have given him a chance to side-track.

INTENT TO HAMMER

.

Mario, apparently you have already claimed, so I'm not sure if I just wait for your last reads or what?

Or do I wait for anything?

Also: I am 90% sure there is at least on scum in his wagon now that he was put on L-1.
PROBABLY NOT Flavor Leaf, but it's not completely off the table.

Wavemode, Game Replacement, NotTheRealPaul and Dunkerdoodles

are IMO where we should at least start tomorrow.

All of what I just bolded directly contradicts what Una said about her heart breaking comment crumbing that Mario was your result, and it only makes sense if you are a SCUM role cop because the rest of your post is pushing Mario as maybe not scum.

"I thought he could be SK which can help town." No, just no. You knew he was lying, so if you thought he could be SK, it only makes sense for that thought if you are scum, and then someone directly lies against your result. By no means could there have been a chance for him to side track if a Town Role Cop opened their mouth after getting a result on someone that you 100% knew was lying.

Hook, Line, and Sinker. You're done. This is over. You are caught out scum.

Frog is calling this a perspective case. This game is over. They are actually caught out lying and contradicting themselves.

[frog]

Dunker wagon had one of Two or Paul.
Eddie wagon had one of Two or Paul.
Mario's wagon had Two and Paul on it, along with Una's apparent knowing Mario was lying yet wasn't on.
Mulch wagon had one of Two and Paul.

*using Two when it could have been Rb.

You guys are purposefully staying off the wagons because of all the

strong town personalities

in this game tearing each other part, while using Paul to help out with wherever you need.

I laughed, talk about retroactive reasoning

Alright, so your narrative is now that Paul pushed every single mislynch in the game as scum, is that it?

[TwoInAMillion]

NTRP is now omgusing me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why is there 100% scum on your wagon, but 0% on the others?

Oh, of course, because of your perspective, my bad

(Everyone else, think how unlikely that is)

Where are you getting 0% from? That's another blatant lie.

Sorry, who was third scum to you again? I admit I am losing track

Two or Paul, most likely Paul. I literally just stated that. Read the damn thread. I don't feel like anybody should be certain on their slots, because if 3 scum they are also a direct 1v1, so this is just yet another attempt at discrediting.

[UnaBombaH]

Ok, I think FL has provided me with enough.
I had to provoke him more after he was softening to the opportunity of scum!GR.

We lynch GR today, and that proves my role and alignment.
And with that being confirmed, you can just ISO FL today.
He hasn't tried to gamesolve apart from that one moment where he softened to believe that GR MIGHT be scum and claimed falsely.
That was all lost because he focuses on discrediting me and frog -> he wants a mislynch and scum-win for today.

I'm not going to confuse anyone anymore, I'm parking my vote on the false-claimed scum, and we solve the game tomorrow.

VOTE: Game Replacement

[frog]

Frog is calling this a perspective case. This game is over. They are actually caught out lying and contradicting themselves.

Yes, I am, because your first line of reasoning is 'this player is scum', and it has been for the entire day

You assume a player is scummy, and, surprise, surprise, you find something scummy in their ISO

You could do this for any player in this game, any player ever, if they were locked in a one against one

[Game Replacement]

@Thor

My last 3 Scum games (minus where I was copped night 1 in an open)

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=72405&user_select[]=28368

Scum buddy died and I was only on the final lynch with town. All the other times I never lynched scum

viewtopic.php?p=9401955#p9401955

I was on the Mlulch town lynch. Then I pushed hard for my buddy day 2 when I didn't have to.

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=72441
Lynched my buddy hard. Never lynched town.

Now look at all my town games. I always lynch town, I'm always pushed as Scum in LyLo. Had about 5 LyLo in the last 2 months abd every time Im a scum fake claim or push.

Not killing town as Scum is always a town tell.
That's only my last 3 Scum games. You can look at all the rest on that account alone.

[UnaBombaH]

You can argue logic and WIFOM all day, but GameReplacement is scum.
Period.

[Flavor Leaf]

NTRP is now omgusing me.

To be fair, it makes sense from either alignment side, as you guys are a direct 1v1 with Thor lock town. (to be fair, he's only lock town to me, and should be GR).

Paul's waiting for me to be L-1 to hammer me likely.