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[iamafluffyrabbit]

hmmm how do i get interested in this game this time

[iamafluffyrabbit]

i am town so please dont lynch me

i will work to identify other town players and scum players gradually

[iamafluffyrabbit]

first impressions says alchemist is more likely scum than zach based on attitude stuff

[iamafluffyrabbit]

what if i just make a tiered readslist with explanations every 2 days

maybe i just do that

[iamafluffyrabbit]

oh my bad

wont happen again

[iamafluffyrabbit]

what if i just make a tiered readslist with explanations every 2 days

maybe i just do that

Please no

why what do you need to read me

[iamafluffyrabbit]

what if i just make a tiered readslist with explanations every 2 days

maybe i just do that

Please no

why what do you need to read me

Scum hunt and don't make list reads.

read lists are like a summary form of the result of scum hunting

please articulate in detail your beef with reads lists

[iamafluffyrabbit]

thats a tiered readslist

towny people at top scummy people at bottom

acid howd you put me up there so early

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Aye so what's good with the wagon on me?

who are the wolves on you

[iamafluffyrabbit]

They are a waste of time that could be better spent scum hunting/convincing others to lynch scum. They also provide scum with way more information than they need. People should keep their town reads to themselves.

ya this kinda stuff is why i dont like playing on ms

agreeing or disagreeing on or finding townreads appropriate or premature are a big part of my scumhunting

[iamafluffyrabbit]

because people hold this opinion at all and are aggressive with it

also i dislike reads like dodging a question == scummy

like thats such a dumb way to play this game

ill stop interacting with you though

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Robb is correct. I personally don't fault people for doing them though.

im done lol

[iamafluffyrabbit]

im actually going to play this game purely in readslists + explanations + votes from this point on and see how i do

[iamafluffyrabbit]

VOTE: fluffy

hm voting on a town because of playstyle differences thats some elite stuff youre probably going into my top tier town

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Robb is correct. I personally don't fault people for doing them though.

this is a scummy thought by itself btw

not accompanying any actual content at this point is kind of scummy

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Wait, I'm L-3


Fuck off don't vote me lol

Translation: Don't bus me, please!

this one too?

[iamafluffyrabbit]

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[iamafluffyrabbit]

does zach ever get good at townteling or scumhunting as town

or do we just resolve him d1 in this gamestate

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Robb is correct. I personally don't fault people for doing them though.

this is a scummy thought by itself btw

not accompanying any actual content at this point is kind of scummy

this is a scummy thought by itself btw

not accompanying any actual content at this point is kind of scummy

a scumread on a post is actual content

an opinion on playstyle kind of isnt

in terms of how i use the word content

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Drop it fluffbun
Luv is

probtown

probably will eventually...?

[iamafluffyrabbit]

hey people who have played with LUV rate his readability on day 1

[iamafluffyrabbit]

reminder robb is probably town and voting on a town and acting superior while voting on a town

[iamafluffyrabbit]

reminder i might be voting on a town but at least its not some sort of misguided policy lynch vote

[iamafluffyrabbit]

acidphoenix lock town btw THIS IS MY TOWNREAD BTW

[iamafluffyrabbit]

acidphoenix lock town btw THIS IS MY TOWNREAD BTW

nice to know, wanna bet if one of you flips scum the other will too?

this is like a super bad w/w read

but nah we're v/v im 2 gud

[iamafluffyrabbit]

reminder i might be voting on a town but at least its not some sort of misguided policy lynch vote

acidphoenix lock town btw THIS IS MY TOWNREAD BTW

i dont understand this reaction and therefore find it scummy

[iamafluffyrabbit]

do u think acidphoenix is scum or something?

[iamafluffyrabbit]

acidphoenix lock town btw THIS IS MY TOWNREAD BTW

nice to know, wanna bet if one of you flips scum the other will too?

nah

me s him t

thatd be pretty funny if it were true

might be true u might be ok at early tone and flow but probably isnt

[iamafluffyrabbit]

it was mocking the idea that declaring townreads is bad

also its not lacking in content per se but lacking in content while being present in the thread

its a content to thread presence ratio read slash threadflow read

[iamafluffyrabbit]

"Looks like you're attempting to take credit for something."

as if id correctly spew a town as town this fast as scum lmao

i aint that much of a townsider scum player

[iamafluffyrabbit]

to do what

suck at producing content?

its not usually intentional when scum do it

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Drop it fluffbun
Luv is

probtown

carcalilly i actually want the basis of your LUV townread now

[iamafluffyrabbit]

to do what

suck at producing content?

its not usually intentional when scum do it

Whatever you just accused me of. It doesn't help achieve a win-con at all and only draws unnecessary attention.

i accused you of having insufficient town thoughts relative to an actual town player in your place at the points where you posted in the thread

this is something scum rarely does intentionally

im not finding scumminess in something you did on purpose, rather something you failed to passively show as town tend to do

[iamafluffyrabbit]

thats hard to articulate what i expect town posts to look like at that point, but its player dependent and i have a vague impression of you being more towny town in like a game i subbed out of a year ago

this isnt something you can really defend directly against; just lynch a scum / defend a mislynch in a towny way and i'll probably decide i overreacted to a hunch

i might just metadive you later too

[iamafluffyrabbit]

do i know u

[iamafluffyrabbit]

i hate u people

[iamafluffyrabbit]

1. iDanyboy
2. Tchill13
3. iamafluffyrabbit
4. awesome5000
5. Torque
6. Carcalilly
7. Zachstralkita
8. Lil Uzi Vert
9. WhyMafia
10. Syndesis
11. Robbnva
12. Alchemist21
13. acidphoenix

[iamafluffyrabbit]

v/la until it looks like somebody might actually be lynched then ill suddnely appear bye people

[iamafluffyrabbit]

somebody just declare when they think uzi will be clear town if hes town and tell me if he ever posts himself clear without mechanics/claims stuff

also if hes ever owned hard as scum i wanna know

[iamafluffyrabbit]

yall can speedlynch zach if u want i dont even care that much

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Fluffy and uzi are Town

Please explain both cause I disagree

if you dont have at least a town lean on me youre probably not very good at playing with new people in general

[iamafluffyrabbit]

And to those playing at home. 164 doesn't come from town ever (or at least shouldn't)

im a game winner

[iamafluffyrabbit]

when i roll town i tend to win

scum depends on my mood

one sloppy-looking post does not make me not a game winner despite your principles or whatever

[iamafluffyrabbit]

robb why arent you pressing zach to do towny stuff if you think hes scummy to the point where you could dayvig him

you said hes the player youd dayvig

isnt that somewhat equivalent to me being okay with speedlynching him

how do u do d1s on this site robb

[iamafluffyrabbit]

im like level 1 towny because the game has never been "look as pro town as possible == town"

too pro-town looking often comes from scum

etc

if you think some sloppy stuff i say is scummy youre just bad

[iamafluffyrabbit]

VOTE: WhyMafia


Will switch to Uzi in a heartbeat.


Wait I'm on this man already right

plz explain your scumreads in terms of how you personally tend to read people

[iamafluffyrabbit]

i mean it really could be as simple as zach scum robb/luv/whymaf all town but idk

i see a lot of early gutread wagons be right and i dont know this player pool well enough to make a call myself

hence i am okay speedlynching zach and if its a miss its whatever i can still win

[iamafluffyrabbit]

also going to note that zachs pop in here is scummy

because its only accomplishing "lemme decide which counterwagon against me to go on"

no updated reads, no sign of trying to figure out peoples alignments

etc

but what if zach just plays like this lol

[iamafluffyrabbit]

yea okay whatever sry for trying to play

[iamafluffyrabbit]

if zachs town whymaf is more likely than luv i guess

and then theres all the people of whom ive read nothing

[iamafluffyrabbit]

nothing ive done is intentionally scummy

[iamafluffyrabbit]

you got issues

[iamafluffyrabbit]

x2

[iamafluffyrabbit]

theres pr play stuff but theory discussions r boring too

[iamafluffyrabbit]

i do not sandbag my town game to make scum easier lol

[iamafluffyrabbit]

looks like zach is though

or just sandbagging out of spite because he doesnt like to articulate stuff when pressured for ego reasons or something?

anyway hes probably town at this point

[iamafluffyrabbit]

will probably be rationalized as holding reads for reasons == pro-town for reasons lol

[iamafluffyrabbit]

acidphoenix is so reasonable it feels out of place here

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Fluffy and uzi are Town

Please explain both cause I disagree

if you dont have at least a town lean on me youre probably not very good at playing with new people in general

im like level 1 towny because the game has never been "look as pro town as possible == town"

too pro-town looking often comes from scum

etc

if you think some sloppy stuff i say is scummy youre just bad

Why should anyone have a Townread on you at this point? Posts like these make it look like you just want to discredit any suspicion that comes your way.

VOTE: Fluffyrabbit

are you a game-loser as town

[iamafluffyrabbit]

alchemist who are your other scum candidates as of right now

[iamafluffyrabbit]

im aggressive and emotional

lol

i can link you all my scumgames in which im aggressive and emotional in almost none

furthermore proactive, still trying to figure out other peoples alignments and reads, etc

[iamafluffyrabbit]

alchemist who are your other scum candidates as of right now

Nobody right now. I don't know most of y'all and there still isn't much to go on imo.

were the main/only scumpings you got from me from the self-metaing and declaring myself towny?

[iamafluffyrabbit]

an example of explaining a scumread on liluzivert would be like

i find him scummy because i read people by amount of reads they have at certain points in the thread/day and he doesnt match my impression of how many reads he should have as town by a point

or something

can be a lot of things

just basically articulating what you find scummy as best you can

[iamafluffyrabbit]

"in terms of how you personally tend to read people" i appended this because some people disagree on what they find scummy

for instance, apparently, everything about my play this game

[iamafluffyrabbit]

its funny because i generally find most self-metaing on mafiauniverse towny

there is a such thing as scummy self-metaing but it tends to look different

tends to be safer declarations

[iamafluffyrabbit]

I trust self-meta about as far as I can throw it.

+1000000

that was completely unnecessary and super scummy

but

this makes you bad at reading

because i am town and self-metaing

and i come from a forum where town self-meta pretty aggressively pretty often

[iamafluffyrabbit]

its like super verifiable if you actually care to read all my games lol

i consider myself an easy read and most scumgames i win are with unfamiliar playerpools and/or super weak/inactive playerpools

[iamafluffyrabbit]

zach lock town at this point

acid needs to start doing stuff other than whiteknighting me but i appreciate it

[iamafluffyrabbit]

robbva are you going to rationalize deathtunneling a town who is actually trying to solve the game with just my posting habits?

[iamafluffyrabbit]

I guess 5 games is enough to take Acid's word here. And this is coming from a guy who doesn't take acid.

UNVOTE:

You can only take his word if you know he's town...

Nah. Even if Acid's scum I doubt he'd tie himself to a buddy with this defense. If scumAcid thinks rabbit is easy to read as Town I'm sure they'd be doing this for some easy Towncred early on.

Are you a naive person in general?

at this point if it werent for all the apparent bitterness i'd be thinking robb is just ballsy scumsiding scum

[iamafluffyrabbit]

anyways although iaafr's progression *in thread* on me is absolutely wonderful, id like to think scum would be self aware of that

its a realistic town!iaafr progression; id be a pretty strong scum player if i could fake that

[iamafluffyrabbit]

you know this reminds me of something funny

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/thr ... lley-Mafia

this is a game where mulch and i played as town

(he's amrock)

he kept self-metaing about how he only gets scumread as town and all of the town hated him for it

i wanted to policy lynch him in that game for different reasons

anyway its funny cuz im self-metaing a bunch right now and everybody hates me for it

[iamafluffyrabbit]

not sure what you call your deathtunnel threat then

but whatever

luv outside of rabbit who do you dislike rn

The death tunnel is how I play which people hate for some reason. Trying to lynch my scum read isn't ruining the game. It's the very definition of it. I've seen enough of fluffy to know there is absolutely no way she can be town.

LMAO

[iamafluffyrabbit]

its extra funny cuz he has a quote about himself being never wrong in his signature

[iamafluffyrabbit]

syndesis do i know you

[iamafluffyrabbit]

death tunneling a town player as an egotistical town player should be embarrassing

and yet like half the people who regularly do it dont get that embarrassed

hey have you guys played with house

he deathtunneled like 3 town when i was scum against him felt good

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/thr ... 1-Xenosaga

[iamafluffyrabbit]

syndesis do i know you

we are acquainted

can you tell me what i know you as because this is going to bug me

[iamafluffyrabbit]

house king of deathtunnel

Nah pretty sure that's me.

And I keep laughing every time rabbit says I'm tunneling a town. I'm not

can we have a pact where you write a paragraph how youre embarrassed in postgame this game when you find out im town

[iamafluffyrabbit]

syndesis do i know you

we are acquainted

can you tell me what i know you as because this is going to bug me

charts bird

got it ty

VOTE: Alchemist21

im sheeping my boy zach on this one

[iamafluffyrabbit]

wait maybe im stupid and its still zach and not alch

maybe i should reread with a clearer head later

[unv][/unv]

are these the unvote tags

[iamafluffyrabbit]

UNVOTE: alch21

ok got it

[iamafluffyrabbit]

i mean i guess its possible robb could legitimately be a scum player who thinks ive played a really scummy game by his own standards and therefore finds it justifiable to deathtunnel me in his townrange

but

idk

[iamafluffyrabbit]

what if im just self metaing because it makes it easier to get the correct read on me

you project so much bs into my processes

how am i desperate at all lmao

[iamafluffyrabbit]

theres a bit of incongruity with how robbva treated me early on

first treated me like a likely town player he had disdain for

and then later like lock scum wtihout adjusting the attitude too much

but like my overall read on him is just still probably town? xdxdxd

[iamafluffyrabbit]

lol at meta should never be used

Meta is so easy to manipulate.

theres some kinds of meta that are indicative and hard to replicate

like

im pretty sure about half the scum i lynch as town is off of metareading

[iamafluffyrabbit]

i've self-meta'd as scum i think

i think i did it lightly in xenosaga

but i mean the overall game is still so different and this tunnel is just so bad and robbva's entire framework of thinking about this game is so bad

[iamafluffyrabbit]

like it becomes so apparent that meta works the first time you use it on someone who is known to be metadiveable and you read the isos side by side and it's obvious which alignment they are

it doesn't always work but saying never is far more delusional

[iamafluffyrabbit]

are luvs scum really me and syn

im still not convinced he's town

I got like 2 towny pings from him total and he feels scummy overall

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Can we turn it down a bit by the way?

The mafia theory discussions aren't doing us any good. They're only creating noise.

this would be a more resonant if you were producing any decent signal in the first place

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Alright I just skimmed through and caught up. Looks like a lot of game theory discussion which is useless because nobody is gonna change their play style after more than likely being called out for it before.

As far as reads right now there's nothing that just jumps out at me. I think it's important to note fluffy didn't really attack Robbnva and try to get a lynch going on him. Other than that I didn't see anything worth mentioning. Carcalilly threw some slight shade my way but it didn't seem to catch any traction. I have no problem with Robbnva's play because usually if you look at it from his perspective it makes sense. Of course it seems people can't change perspectives and look at it from other people's point of view.

If anyone wants to ask me particular questions that would be helpful.

so how do you sort robb

[iamafluffyrabbit]

do you wanna address my play directly tchill?

wanna give out any of your reads on me/acidphoenix/luv/robb/syndesis?

where do you wanna take this day tchill?

[iamafluffyrabbit]

at work
iaafr v
scum iaafr deflects lightly and generally avoids interaction. this comes from 1 turbo game meta. fite me robb.
i remember liking acid and zach's posts

i like u

2 metareaders on me correct

1 stubborn philosophically-doesnt-believe-in-metareads-yet-believes-some-types-of-posts-are-universally-scummy-even-when-they-come-from-town player incorrect

interesting scientific results here

[iamafluffyrabbit]

tho theres gotta be one scum openly townreading me by this point

maybe torque is the pocketer

[iamafluffyrabbit]

robb what are your thoughts on bayesian probability and how it relates to the reading of other players alignments in the game of mafia

[iamafluffyrabbit]

btw the discussion of the validity of metareading isnt pointless at all as mafia is a game of persuasion and itll be hard to convince people your metareads are correct if they dont believe in metareads

and even if the person youre arguing against is stubbornly wrong you can present more evidence and look more right to try to sway the other players etc

[iamafluffyrabbit]

VOTE: Lil uzi

Mulch is cool Because he gave you a scum role right?

hi chilly why are people voting for you?

Not sure. They're vote should be on Lil uzi though.

you expected this to gain traction?

how am i supposed to believe that

[iamafluffyrabbit]

also i like making people who are confidently wrong look dumb sue me

[iamafluffyrabbit]

from how i understand it, traction is gained from making cases

a case can be as simple as something as somebody quoting something and calling it a scumpost or it can be as complex as like a line-by-line iso

but those are the things that gain traction because people need to vote on some sort of justification

your rvs vote cant gain traction just by the way i define things

does that make sense?

[iamafluffyrabbit]

probably cuz they know me

whats your confidence in your d1 abilities to lynch scum

[iamafluffyrabbit]

both acid and synd are townleans

uzi is a scumlean with reservations

you are one of my current scumreads

ill have to reread before declaring more

[iamafluffyrabbit]

yea i changed my mind i dont think youre scum anymore

[iamafluffyrabbit]

thats hard to articulate what i expect town posts to look like at that point, but its player dependent and i have a vague impression of you being more towny town in like a game i subbed out of a year ago

this isnt something you can really defend directly against; just lynch a scum / defend a mislynch in a towny way and i'll probably decide i overreacted to a hunch

i might just metadive you later too

yall can speedlynch zach if u want i dont even care that much

I find it laughable that these posts came from the same player and fluffy lost my town read because of it as of right now.

well just dont push me and we're good for now

[iamafluffyrabbit]

And I'm telling you right now fluffy that robbvna is town.

thats my overall read on him too yea

[iamafluffyrabbit]

What you think about alchemist? I'm getting gut scum feels.

zach thinks the same and im tempted to sheep you both

[iamafluffyrabbit]

im not sure that it seemed like my wagon would meet heavy resistance

but yea maybe alchemist is the d1 all around because i agree with that bloodthirsty vibe

[iamafluffyrabbit]

well heavy enough anyway

though it would

nevermind scratch that thought entiely

[iamafluffyrabbit]

ill stop sry

also with that playerlist thing i hit submit instead of preview by accident

[iamafluffyrabbit]

a lot of the stuff robb believes in this game is specifically NAI for this game imo

like he says stuff that he believes in general about the game but he's not thinking adaptively at all

its slightly scummy

i really would feel a lot better if he tunneled somebody other than me

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Because... the big question I've been meaning to pose is

Can The Town Lynch Scum If acidphoenix Townreads The Entire Scum Team? (Players please answer with Yes/No)

rly depends on the other town players in the game imo

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Don't you think I'm scum? Why are you showing interest in wanting to find out why I don't town read you?

pretty sure its towny to doubt ones own reads and wonder if he's wrong on you

the implication is that he feels like you might be town if you have a valid reason for scumreading him where he expects you to townread him

maybe if you were more cooperative rather than antagonistic

pedit whats pt lol

[iamafluffyrabbit]

also i randomly metadived zach in the game thats linked in his sig where he was scum

still think hes town but it wasnt a very deep dive

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Don't you think I'm scum? Why are you showing interest in wanting to find out why I don't town read you?

pretty sure its towny to doubt ones own reads and wonder if he's wrong on you

the implication is that he feels like you might be town if you have a valid reason for scumreading him where he expects you to townread him

maybe if you were more cooperative rather than antagonistic

pedit whats pt lol

It's NAI.

I haven't been hostile with him. Syndesis maybe but not Zach.

i consider it passive-aggressively antagonistic to ask the question you did in response to his comment about you not townreading him rather than to re-summarize what comprises your read on zach

but u do u

also its not nai to have towny thoughts but im not gonna argue this point over and over

[iamafluffyrabbit]

it takes effort to remember to think all the things town tend to think out loud in the thread

its therefore towny to get out such thoughts at a natural pace in a way that doesnt feel forced

[iamafluffyrabbit]

scum can do everything town can

but town do towny things more often than scum

it is therefore a >rand% towny thing

its not something that locks someone town on its own its just something that gives town points in my book

you can disagree and not award points for it and gloat if im wrong and youre actually town but you can call almost anything NAI if your definition of NAI is "its literally possible for scum to do"

[iamafluffyrabbit]

theres a town motivation that i can see

could be faked but it was immediately obvious to me

which was that you're still one of his top scum candidates

he seems to be representing the belief that town!luv should be quick to townread town!zach

he alluded to some trust tell thing he did too

he therefore wants you to flesh out your read on him to see if it comes from a town place he didnt expect or a scum place

[iamafluffyrabbit]

@Lil Uzi Vert why don't you townread me?

I've committed The Tell, haven't I?

this is what i was referring too

looked like a trust tell *shrug*

[iamafluffyrabbit]

>reads on motivations

>"he's scum but i think he thinks he's town"

???????

the second thing i think is

LUV saying zach's currently in the scum mindset where he believes he has made it to top town status and is milking it for all its worth

so acting as if obvtown when people have given townreads = a possible scum motivation

am i correct LUV?

[iamafluffyrabbit]

i aint a PT user

[iamafluffyrabbit]

just gonna put it out there that i keep doubting robb's alignment

like theres a lot of things about him that are town

but he seems to be an experienced player and also has some mindset issues

probably need to personally metadive him this game day

[iamafluffyrabbit]

a lot of the stuff robb believes in this game is specifically NAI for this game imo

like he says stuff that he believes in general about the game but he's not thinking adaptively at all

its slightly scummy

i really would feel a lot better if he tunneled somebody other than me

The fact that he's tunneling you let's me know he's town.

does he not tunnel as scum or what

because he's tunneling a town and being a generally useless anti-town slot

this is well in his townrange?

[iamafluffyrabbit]

what if we just compromise on alch

[iamafluffyrabbit]

i never said no

im a game winner zach i get scum lynched

[iamafluffyrabbit]

is part of your alch tr torque's push on alch

cuz i probably have torque as townier overall lol

reread pending

[iamafluffyrabbit]

theres only one wagon you can be on right now to win the game and u not making it happen

i am in the cold feet / hesitant mindset still

luckily mafiascum games have absolutely ridiculous phase lengths so i can say ill commit later

[iamafluffyrabbit]

wow im agreeing with luv on something over acidphoenix

[iamafluffyrabbit]

TORQUE IS SOFTCLAIMING THAT A VIGILANTE EXISTS IN THE GAME

did i catch ur drift

[iamafluffyrabbit]

even if im jailkeeper?

[iamafluffyrabbit]

uzi's questioning of torq's position in acidephoenix's list was said at a moment where it seemed really quite towny

[iamafluffyrabbit]

like

if uzi were scum here

i feel like he'd be more focused on burying zach and winning this half-thunderdome thing

trying to sanity check acid's reads at that moment felt townsided

and ive had cold feet on LUV the entire game anyway

[iamafluffyrabbit]

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reported

[iamafluffyrabbit]

okay gonna be afk for some hours

checklist when i get back

full reread of alch

full reread of whymaf

tentative verdicts on both

[iamafluffyrabbit]

LUV has your read on me updated or am i still top scum

or am i misremembering who other than robb scumread me

[iamafluffyrabbit]

acid do you have meta on alch

[iamafluffyrabbit]

I think like 5 games + one I did a shallow metadive?

iirc it's been scum iaafr twice and it's completely different

btw theres no way we played 5 games together

its like 1 actual game in xenosaga where i was scum

and

maybe 2 turbos?

and some popcorn?

[iamafluffyrabbit]

whymaf believes in his push on acid even though i think its wrong

town town verdict

i think his townreads make sense

[iamafluffyrabbit]

i reread alch and

I guess 5 games is enough to take Acid's word here. And this is coming from a guy who doesn't take acid.

UNVOTE:

You can only take his word if you know he's town...

Nah. Even if Acid's scum I doubt he'd tie himself to a buddy with this defense. If scumAcid thinks rabbit is easy to read as Town I'm sure they'd be doing this for some easy Towncred early on.

i have a reputation for being unlynchable as town

so theres validity to this post

but i still dont think acid is scum

I agree Zach's reaction is pretty Towny. It's full of righteous anger at the bullshit against him. It's hilarious he took my posts as seriously as he did though. It was pretty obviously some RVS shit trying to get us out of RVS, but him falling for it so hard means it worked better than expected. lol

As for my progression on that wascally wabbit, when acid said how much experience they had with them I figured it's enough for the meta they were claiming. By then you should be pretty familiar with a player and have a feel for what stays constant and what changes from game to game. On all of Mafiascum I think there's only 1 person whom I've played at least 5 games with and that's Firebringer, and he's someone I'm confident I can metaread when he's in the game.

If anyone's pocketing fluffy though I'm also thinking it's Torque. Defending someone with 1 turbo game worth of meta is terrible and when it happened could have been someone just going with the forming consensus at the time.

I like Tchill. The name suits him and his posts show that he wants the Town to have cohesion, and it doesn't seem like he's using that tone to try and establish Towncred for himself.

@LUV; Fluff and off-topic posts isn't noise? C'mon man. I make those too but admit it for what it is. I do remember you were named as a problematic multiposter recently, so I guess thoughts like that are the source of the issue.

Has Danyboy even posted yet? I thought it would be interesting to play with him again after we were scum together in a previous game.

VOTE: Torque

i think this is a scumpost though

he says a bunch of pro-town stuff and defends some town incl me for decent-sounding reasons, but this is already after i think its clear im not getting wagoned today

mild w/w vibes with zach

doesnt say much about his vote on torque, which is a red flag

i think torque is town, which is a red flag

doesn't feel like he's trying to figure out where the scum are, which is a red flag

[iamafluffyrabbit]

oh wait i forgot about that line about torque

i mean

torque is townier

im just gonna vote alch i think hes a scummer

dont maj him xd

VOTE: alchemist21

[iamafluffyrabbit]

fight me viliyr

[iamafluffyrabbit]

so i did the due diligence thing of rereading torque

torque when r u gonna have more reads cuz

i think u have

me v acid v zach v alchemist w

[iamafluffyrabbit]

i have read danys 3 posts

if alch is scum hes probably just town

otherwise, i dont think hes scummy so far but obv need to wait till he does more

[iamafluffyrabbit]

if alch is town tchill is very possibly scum

because tchills gut sr of alch

if tchill is scum robbvna is lock town

and robbs already very likely town but i didnt like how tchill insisted the fact that he was tunneling me locked it for him because i dont think its that simple

if tchill and alch are both scum im some kind of god maybe? but "What you think about alchemist? I'm getting gut scum feels." rarely a scum/scum move in my own experience

viliyr how sure are you i should vote tchill over alch

[iamafluffyrabbit]

f alch is town tchill is very possibly scum

because tchills gut sr of alch

is unlikely scum/scum

EBWOP alright ill stop spamming now

[iamafluffyrabbit]

so you had 2 scumreads but zach moved to townlean?

do you have any scum other than acid right now

[iamafluffyrabbit]

also can you substantiate what makes tchill town as hell to you

[iamafluffyrabbit]

so you had 2 scumreads but zach moved to townlean?

do you have any scum other than acid right now

top of the page question for whymafia

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Fluffy what about TChill is scum?

im not sure he's scum but you seem sure he's town and if youre correct and you convince me of that successfully then its a good thing

so yea can you tell me why hes obvtown to you

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Syndasis is null scum
I might end up PoE you to be scum

whats scummy about syndesis to you

it would be nice if you broke this habit of listing reads without reasons

[iamafluffyrabbit]

oh i misread town as well as town as hell

i see

can you tell me what made you feel like he was town

[iamafluffyrabbit]

i think synds timing on townreading me and acid was towny

townreading zach probably towny

maybe whymafia is just the scum here

also acid did you n0 alch or something

danyboys not a good place to be until he actually participates more imo

id rather you pick between like tchill whymaf uzi

is uzi still that low for you tho cuz i think hes town and i kinda wanna veto that one

[iamafluffyrabbit]

tchill is probtown
I was his scumpartner once, he's doing way better rn

who your 2 most scummy right now

[iamafluffyrabbit]

because his reasons for a lot of things are too sterile and his push on acidphoenix is agenda-y in a scummy way and i think he is pushing more town than scum on purpose

[iamafluffyrabbit]

or im stupid and zachs the scum pushing two town

or im stupid and uzis the scum that zachs correctly pushing and whymaf is the scummy (in my eyes) town and im shifting momentum to the wrong wagon

or zachs a god and both uzi and whymaf are scum

or me and zach are both town and terrible and there are 4 town involved here

those are the possibilities

[iamafluffyrabbit]

because his reasons for a lot of things are too sterile and his push on acidphoenix is agenda-y in a scummy way and i think he is pushing more town than scum on purpose

Disagreement with reads is alignment indicative?

yall keep calling stuff nai as if context isnt a thing

its probably not the best reason to push on tho yea

[iamafluffyrabbit]

neighborizer shot

====

did you start with a neighbor or are you talking to yourself for like 40 posts

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Is too scummy to be scum true?

when the read correctly applies, i feel like its not stuff thats actually scummy

like when people read my quicklynch zach thing

thats actually "too scummy to be scum" because scum are rarely bold enough to look that openly sloppy

anyway what are you referring to specifically here

[iamafluffyrabbit]

openly rolefishing is like

in my experience, slightly townsided

no clue in terms of whymaf's personal meta tho

[iamafluffyrabbit]

or im stupid and zachs the scum pushing two town

or im stupid and uzis the scum that zachs correctly pushing and whymaf is the scummy (in my eyes) town and im shifting momentum to the wrong wagon

or zachs a god and both uzi and whymaf are scum

or me and zach are both town and terrible and there are 4 town involved here

those are the possibilities

i forgot a possibility

zach and uzi are bussing each other / distancing in a crazy way to give the winner of the thunderdome cred

pretty unlikely...?

[iamafluffyrabbit]

It says too scum to be scum is scum and it's that simple.

the thing is its been used to correctly townread town

when it fails its just an incorrect application of the idea

anyway who are we even talking about who's tstbas

because his reasons for a lot of things are too steril

e and his push on acidphoenix is agenda-y in a scummy way and i think he is pushing more town than scum on purpose

I agree with the first part but I don't see the second part.

just felt some of his points were reachy

confbiasy in a way where i dont feel like he's actually convinced acid is scum

[iamafluffyrabbit]

or more like his state of being convinced feels faked?

[iamafluffyrabbit]

maybe we push through on whymaf then

[iamafluffyrabbit]

btw im rly sleep deprived and i may say some stupid things

[iamafluffyrabbit]

btw im rly sleep deprived and i may say some stupid things

keep talking so you can reveal your role through your sleepiness

im a very important town power role

[iamafluffyrabbit]

dont read into the above post its a meme

[iamafluffyrabbit]

thats actually the scum version

[iamafluffyrabbit]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tdyU_gW6WE[/youtube]

[iamafluffyrabbit]

fuck



ok i did it

v/la for at least 4 hours

[iamafluffyrabbit]

zach ill join the uzi wagon probs if i dont get a stronger feeling of scum from somewhere else

[iamafluffyrabbit]

this indecision cant last forever...

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Yeah I seriously can't bother to play town on this site anymore. Towns are just awful nowadays and it's more taxing than ever to deal with that as town. I think I'm just going to inform people that moderate games often that I'll most likely replace out in pre-game if I receive a green role PM.

its funny cuz its posts like these that keep making me think youre town

the exasperation is overpowered

[iamafluffyrabbit]

are these LUV quotes from an LUV scumgame

is he one of those players that looks way more rational and gives more reasoning for stuff as scum

cuz im like that too but it suggests a metatownread on him in this game might be appropriate

[iamafluffyrabbit]

whymaf looked towny on page 31

which irritates me because i lack scumreads again

if whymaf and luv are both town then maybe zach is the scum here after all

i think ive said this kind of thing verbatim before

[iamafluffyrabbit]

i just wanna push someone and have them have a scummy reaction so i can be like "lol caught" and d1 a scum

is that too much to ask

it might be tchill though

i still dont like that his main reason for locktowning robb is that robb is tunneling

it lacks a logical premise

like a complete logical read might be

robb never tunnels as scum + robb is tunneling = robb is town

or robb is tunneling + in a way that he doesnt do it as scum = robb is town

but tchill just said it's because robb is tunneling

[iamafluffyrabbit]

also alchemists recent 4 posts arent as good as whymafs recent posts either

they seem to lack direction in terms of scumhunting

but apparently viliyr is 100% cockblocking me on alch still

[iamafluffyrabbit]

if you want you can lynch him anyway and one of us will get to tell the other I fucking told you so

but I'd prefer a scumlynch over vindication

do you have a high confidence scumlynch yet

because i have serious cold feet on the 2 that zach are pushing but dont wanna lynch zach either

[iamafluffyrabbit]

what do you think of chill

what do you think of dany

i think its slightly scummy the way tchill emphasizes his robb townread over and over again as if its relevant to d1 gamestate

i didnt like the way he revoked his townread on me for some sloppy stuff but im probably personally biased on that one so ill file it as NAI

his most recent post felt disconnected from gameflow just to admonish a post of mine for not being in gameflow, which feels kind of hypocritical

his overall stance is me null robb locktown alch slightly scummy

and then thats it?

this particular quote pinged me too as commentary w/o conclusions: "As far as reads right now there's nothing that just jumps out at me. I think it's important to note fluffy didn't really attack Robbnva and try to get a lynch going on him. Other than that I didn't see anything worth mentioning. Carcalilly threw some slight shade my way but it didn't seem to catch any traction. I have no problem with Robbnva's play because usually if you look at it from his perspective it makes sense. Of course it seems people can't change perspectives and look at it from other people's point of view."

the only conclusion to really draw from that is that he thinks robb is town for a believable push

the rest of his queries, on like wagon stuff, kind of went absolutley nowhere

danys recent push on luv feels slightly towny but idk

[iamafluffyrabbit]

i dont see what gives carcalilly 99% confidence on tchill town for being less struggly

like

he is really quite struggly this game and it makes me wonder what his scumgame looks like

[iamafluffyrabbit]

if carcalilly actually owns his soul correctly that is

[iamafluffyrabbit]

if you want you can lynch him anyway and one of us will get to tell the other I fucking told you so

but I'd prefer a scumlynch over vindication

do you have a high confidence scumlynch yet

because i have serious cold feet on the 2 that zach are pushing but dont wanna lynch zach either

People who have cold feet are usually found in a morgue :/

you havent gotten the slightest bit of doubt on your LUV push?

impressive

how often do you lead incorrect deathtunnels as town

[iamafluffyrabbit]

im not sure how your response relates to mine exactly

im just asking you for your historical deathtunnel accuracy

im like still vaguely tempted to sheep you but i need you to put like your ego on the line and if youre wrong im gonna need you too look embarrassed

whymaf what if i told you acids my highest and most comfortable townread and i also have some meta with him

[iamafluffyrabbit]

if acidphoenix is mafia he is going really hard this game to look townsidey, including apparently making like over 50 posts to himself in a private topic?

and accurately throwing out some impressions that i simultaneously had

maybe i should ask him for a scumgame out of fear tho

[iamafluffyrabbit]

they are really towny in my book independent of meta too

it might just be a site meta thing but the way acidphoenix is playing right now is probably the most similar in the game to how i play town so yea

[iamafluffyrabbit]

if acidphoenix is mafia he is going really hard this game to look townsidey, including apparently making like over 50 posts to himself in a private topic?

and accurately throwing out some impressions that i simultaneously had

maybe i should ask him for a scumgame out of fear tho

I thought you had "meta" with him?

ive seen him play town like twice lol

you are correct to be skeptical of the faith to place in my meta with him because its not very strong though yea

[iamafluffyrabbit]

I don't like fluffy/acid interactions. Anyone else have thoughts?

is it too buddy-buddy

because he buddied me by taking my side in some theoretical stuff vs luv/robb

but it could be town-town buddying xd

[iamafluffyrabbit]

im pretty sure any meta iaafr has on me is completely voided by the fact I'm top posting

oh yea this is true

acidphoenix is a habitual lowposter on mafiauniverse so this game is an exception for him

but the way he highposts this game... thats something i generally read town

and its also something i consider only the best scum players i know can fake; high-volume bumbling solviness

[iamafluffyrabbit]

carcalilly can you flesh out your tchill townread

i need you to fight me over this one because i probably want his head most right now

[iamafluffyrabbit]

im pretty sure any meta iaafr has on me is completely voided by the fact I'm top posting

oh yea this is true

acidphoenix is a habitual lowposter on mafiauniverse so this game is an exception for him

but the way he highposts this game... thats something i generally read town

and its also something i consider only the best scum players i know can fake; high-volume bumbling solviness

High posting isn't AI. There are countless cases disproving it

[iamafluffyrabbit]

its not something i use to definitively lock slots as town its just something i keep in mind

of course i've encountered highposting scum

it is just rarer

i'd say consistently below rand% rate

that is, if its a 3v10 and u know youre town and theres 9 other town and 3 maf

randomly picking somebody has 75% chance to be town

id say randomly picking a highposter has >80% chance to be town

thats the kind of way i factor it in

[iamafluffyrabbit]

And other posts like this, he's made a few. The way he just says things and means it is not something that I can see scum doing or faking.

Also maf spec is far from any scumtell for em'

why do i feel like youre going soft on him relative to other players

like

im getting called out on reading on NAI stuff

and youre saying simple declarative statements are AI???

[iamafluffyrabbit]

And other posts like this, he's made a few. The way he just says things and means it is not something that I can see scum doing or faking.

Also maf spec is far from any scumtell for em'

why do i feel like youre going soft on him relative to other players

like

im getting called out on reading on NAI stuff

and youre saying simple declarative statements are AI???

M8 if there's anyone we're going soft on, it's you

have you done a full iso of me man

im trying so hard to figure out this game lmao

im pretty sure i've objectively generated the most content trying to sort among the d1 scum candidates

how am i getting the soft treatment here

[iamafluffyrabbit]

mulch tunnels way harder than me

i irritate people by refusing to commit to most reads and pushes for quite a long time

anyway carcalilly

are you willing to drop your defense of tchill or tone it down to like a "still think hes town but yall can kill him and ill laugh" kind of thing etc

[iamafluffyrabbit]

mulch tunnels way harder than me

i irritate people by refusing to commit to most reads and pushes for quite a long time

anyway carcalilly

are you willing to drop your defense of tchill or tone it down to like a "still think hes town but yall can kill him and ill laugh" kind of thing etc

We ain't lynching TChill

can you explain why

[iamafluffyrabbit]

i get enough hate for being spammy

acidphoenix how do we own at this point

is dany still your scummiest scum; what'd you think of his recent push on LUV; do you think zach is towny enough to never be lynched today; thoughts on tchill; thoughts on whymaf having us at null to scum but tchill at notlynchingtoday; any extra thoughts

im so bored but idk what to do with this game rn

[iamafluffyrabbit]

man idk about the rest of your toptown other than me lol

melas (aka awesome5000 fyi for others) is like only townlean in my book

carca cockblocking tchill lynch on a softball townread was questionable

still dunno how you locktown alch like that

did you ever articulate that for me

[iamafluffyrabbit]

I like 3 of the names on that LUV wagon so I'll add my vote there.

VOTE: LUV

jesus im tunneling

[iamafluffyrabbit]

viliyr are you trying to carry alch or something

[iamafluffyrabbit]

to fully describe my mental space, alch keeps pinging my scumdar hard with these wolfy-as-fuck votes and i think multiple people have made cases on him that i've agreed with

zach wanted alch earlier

torque wnated alch

i wanted alch

also if tchill is town he should strongly consider wanting alch dead

LUV feels like a miss unless he's the kind of scum player who acts like he hates the game in general and town sucks when town is correctly sussing him and basically gaslights everything against him as ridiculous

if he's that kind of scum player then he's maybe scum

but alch just feels so much scummier to me man

[iamafluffyrabbit]

inb4 luv is scum and alch is town and i get humiliated

rly should metadive luv i guess

[iamafluffyrabbit]

i mean obviously the bottom 3 in my list(you excluded) are the people i think it makes most sense for you to scumread hence they're bottom 3

i think at this point the only people it's outright unreasonable to scumread are carca, rabbit

considering saying alch too but

uh

I don't think Torque has done anything to be so low. I like how he seemed to want Robb to engage him and I can see why he feels the way he does about Alchemist.

i just control f-d uzi's iso for alch and this was the only thing he said about alch so far

[iamafluffyrabbit]

lil uzi vert, if you would kindly do an evaluation of alch and his votes and behavior, i would be greatly appreciative

[iamafluffyrabbit]

VOTE: alchemist

gimme an answer, man
very close to loading my gun

this is kind of wolfy

i dont even remember the question you asked him