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[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Uzi


Syndesis and Tchill will never forsake me.

EDIT
I'm blind. I was looking at the vote count quoted

Keep playing with me I promise

[acidphoenix]

you because the divide thing; your reaction / explanation put you back up to nullscum but not higher bc the first half imo stops being town for the kind of person who steps it up

uzi for a bunch of early reaction/tone things

chill for just existing; posting but not doing much; for a while I had him up just because more people were <null and carca vouched for him but eh

dany explained + I particularly didn't somewhere

[acidphoenix]

oh I forgot he stayed in the thread after that

dany higher than chlll definitely

idk how he stacks up to the Zach Tunnel Buddies

[iDanyboy]

2 days and some change into a 10 day deadline doesn't spell a long day on any planet. That's short as hell.

Usually if a day is 15 pages long, it's long enough. I understand people don't like to be wrong but whatever minor information or details you're waiting on isn't worth the inertia it produces to stall the town. Getting it moving again can be so frustrating and hard. Town needs some momentum to stay engaged and active.

This is what Uzi said in a previous game I played with him. Combine that with his case on Zach which is paper thin.
VOTE: LUV

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Usually. Key word there.

[iDanyboy]

It's the fact that your shading him for wanting you lynched. He thinks he found scum and wants it lynched which is the same attitude you had that game.I don't see how you could be pushing him for that when you have done the same.

MMM is my strongest scum read and I'm satisfied with where my reads are currently.

I don't personally need anymore from today and I rather not give scum the chance to create apathy by drawing the day out.

This is the exact same logic the Zach used.

[iamafluffyrabbit]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tdyU_gW6WE[/youtube]

[iamafluffyrabbit]

fuck



ok i did it

v/la for at least 4 hours

[iamafluffyrabbit]

zach ill join the uzi wagon probs if i dont get a stronger feeling of scum from somewhere else

[iamafluffyrabbit]

this indecision cant last forever...

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It's the fact that your shading him for wanting you lynched. He thinks he found scum and wants it lynched which is the same attitude you had that game.I don't see how you could be pushing him for that when you have done the same.

MMM is my strongest scum read and I'm satisfied with where my reads are currently.

I don't personally need anymore from today and I rather not give scum the chance to create apathy by drawing the day out.

This is the exact same logic the Zach used.

I'm not sure if you're even serious right now because you're not taking context into account at all.

Compare my attitude that game to Zach's attitude this game. The case I had on MMM and the case Zach has on me.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

{iDanyBoy, Eeveelution Army, Formerfish}
{Mulch,

LmkGuy, aronagrundy, massive, MordyS

}
{gerryoat, Bomberman, Lil Uzi Vert, Tchill13}

I'm leaning scum on the yellow slots (bar MordyS who I think didn't confirm) until further evidence due to the "scum wants to not have any heat on them during RVS" thing motivating scum to be inactive during this stage in my eyes. Obviously,

most

of these reads are obviously with low confidence as of yet, and are likely to change over time.

I'm not sure on Mulch. Early game posts are hilarious but not really alignment indicative, then he becomes the first player to post reads and actively trying in this game, but his reasons for scum reading seem off at the same time and he could be scum trying to take control as Bomberman I think said (despite his own logic also being flawed). I could see both of them being in the scum team together, actually.

...also holy shit, I just realised I'm scum reading over half the players. (this is assuming the low posters count)

I believe that scum will do anything to win. Mulch's behavior has garnered him a position of control and as a result he's been able to steer the game in any direction he chooses.

If he was scum

, I can easily see his partners letting him continue until he cannot get away with it anymore.

For now let's focus on just one of them. If you look closely, the wording implies that he knows Mulch isn't scum with a level of confidence that town cannot have at this stage in the game, and therefore this is a scum slip. Posts 62 and 223 also ping me - 62 for what imo is a counterproductive question and 223 for the lack of content despite there being plenty of things to comment on. This is probably my most confident read as of now.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

I think town here would ask me why I was still voting for someone who I thought was probably town at the time and why I'm still voting for them currently rather than push this narrative.

Why can't town be that confident at that stage of the game? I'd really like to hear your reasoning why as I'm someone who's catches scum in RVS like no tomorrow. Also, according to that read list, tchill is your strongest scum read so why aren't you voting for him? I don't think you actually believe what you're saying but I can't tell if you're being contrarian just to be contrarian or you and him are actually scum.

{iDanyBoy, Eeveelution Army, Formerfish}
{Mulch,

LmkGuy, aronagrundy, massive, MordyS

}
{gerryoat, Bomberman, Lil Uzi Vert, Tchill13}

I'm leaning scum on the yellow slots (bar MordyS who I think didn't confirm) until further evidence due to the "scum wants to not have any heat on them during RVS" thing motivating scum to be inactive during this stage in my eyes. Obviously,

most

of these reads are obviously with low confidence as of yet, and are likely to change over time.

I'm not sure on Mulch. Early game posts are hilarious but not really alignment indicative, then he becomes the first player to post reads and actively trying in this game, but his reasons for scum reading seem off at the same time and he could be scum trying to take control as Bomberman I think said (despite his own logic also being flawed). I could see both of them being in the scum team together, actually.

...also holy shit, I just realised I'm scum reading over half the players. (this is assuming the low posters count)

I believe that scum will do anything to win. Mulch's behavior has garnered him a position of control and as a result he's been able to steer the game in any direction he chooses.

If he was scum

, I can easily see his partners letting him continue until he cannot get away with it anymore.

For now let's focus on just one of them. If you look closely, the wording implies that he knows Mulch isn't scum with a level of confidence that town cannot have at this stage in the game, and therefore this is a scum slip. Posts 62 and 223 also ping me - 62 for what imo is a counterproductive question and 223 for the lack of content despite there being plenty of things to comment on. This is probably my most confident read as of now.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

I think town here would ask me why I was still voting for someone who I thought was probably town at the time and why I'm still voting for them currently rather than push this narrative.

Why can't town be that confident at that stage of the game? I'd really like to hear your reasoning why as I'm someone who's catches scum in RVS like no tomorrow. Also, according to that read list, tchill is your strongest scum read so why aren't you voting for him? I don't think you actually believe what you're saying but I can't tell if you're being contrarian just to be contrarian or you and him are actually scum.

1. I didn't realise you still had your vote on Mulch.
2. If you're town, then instantly obvtowning Mulch in spite of his reasoning for most of his reads being flawed is wrong - even though I'll concede that his efforts in general read as town, putting that much confidence in him being town seems like something really easy for scum to do for town cred here.
3. If you turn out to be scum like I'm expecting, then there's little point in me asking why your vote is on anyone in particular anyway.
4. You're talking about catching town in RVS, and you say you're good at catching scum? That seems more like a deflection than anything else.
5. My scum reads aren't ordered that meticulously, they are merely on 3 different levels - townleans, null slots, scumleans. Having a list that is ordered

that well

at this point in the game with high confidence can't even come from town. The fact you're pointing at something minor like that to attempt to get attention off of yourself reads as scummy as well.

You still aren't saying why it can't. I brought up that I do catch scum in RVS often to back up my confidence.

I pointed it out because your town reads look like they ordered in that way. I think it's natural to assume that your scum reads would be to.

{iDanyBoy, Eeveelution Army, Formerfish}
{Mulch,

LmkGuy, aronagrundy, massive, MordyS

}
{gerryoat, Bomberman, Lil Uzi Vert, Tchill13}

I'm leaning scum on the yellow slots (bar MordyS who I think didn't confirm) until further evidence due to the "scum wants to not have any heat on them during RVS" thing motivating scum to be inactive during this stage in my eyes. Obviously,

most

of these reads are obviously with low confidence as of yet, and are likely to change over time.

I'm not sure on Mulch. Early game posts are hilarious but not really alignment indicative, then he becomes the first player to post reads and actively trying in this game, but his reasons for scum reading seem off at the same time and he could be scum trying to take control as Bomberman I think said (despite his own logic also being flawed). I could see both of them being in the scum team together, actually.

...also holy shit, I just realised I'm scum reading over half the players. (this is assuming the low posters count)

I believe that scum will do anything to win. Mulch's behavior has garnered him a position of control and as a result he's been able to steer the game in any direction he chooses.

If he was scum

, I can easily see his partners letting him continue until he cannot get away with it anymore.

For now let's focus on just one of them. If you look closely, the wording implies that he knows Mulch isn't scum with a level of confidence that town cannot have at this stage in the game, and therefore this is a scum slip. Posts 62 and 223 also ping me - 62 for what imo is a counterproductive question and 223 for the lack of content despite there being plenty of things to comment on. This is probably my most confident read as of now.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

I think town here would ask me why I was still voting for someone who I thought was probably town at the time and why I'm still voting for them currently rather than push this narrative.

Why can't town be that confident at that stage of the game? I'd really like to hear your reasoning why as I'm someone who's catches scum in RVS like no tomorrow. Also, according to that read list, tchill is your strongest scum read so why aren't you voting for him? I don't think you actually believe what you're saying but I can't tell if you're being contrarian just to be contrarian or you and him are actually scum.

1. I didn't realise you still had your vote on Mulch.
2. If you're town, then instantly obvtowning Mulch in spite of his reasoning for most of his reads being flawed is wrong - even though I'll concede that his efforts in general read as town, putting that much confidence in him being town seems like something really easy for scum to do for town cred here.
3. If you turn out to be scum like I'm expecting, then there's little point in me asking why your vote is on anyone in particular anyway.
4. You're talking about catching town in RVS, and you say you're good at catching scum? That seems more like a deflection than anything else.
5. My scum reads aren't ordered that meticulously, they are merely on 3 different levels - townleans, null slots, scumleans. Having a list that is ordered

that well

at this point in the game with high confidence can't even come from town. The fact you're pointing at something minor like that to attempt to get attention off of yourself reads as scummy as well.

You still aren't saying why it can't. I brought up that I do catch scum in RVS often to back up my confidence.

I pointed it out because your town reads look like they are ordered in that way. I think it's natural to assume that your scum reads would be to.

EBWOP.

I don't recall you elaborating on why you are confident in Mulch being town. If you did, I must have missed it. But without an actual explanation (hint hint) locking a read on someone this early in the game is unacceptable.
Mulch, that goes for you too. What makes fish and particularly gerry so townie?

How do you know they haven't been here? For all you know they are reading what we are saying right now and blatantly ignoring it

They have 3 out of the 242 posts in this thread. They haven't.

And if they're ignoring? Town can be lazy and not give effort. It's not AI.

I've already stated i just want him to contribute so i can get some form of read on him.

Do you have opinions on anyone else? Like you know - people who have actually posted enough for you to be able to have an actual opinion on them?

Actually for my sanity, could Eveee, MMM, and tchill talk about their mafia experience?

About 3 months worth of games on a live chat with disappointingly low quality games for the most part. About a handful of forum games, completed one as scum and about 6-ish as town in total I think. I assume this is what you wanted to know anyway.

I didn't and I don't have to unless you have a reason to suspect him. If you do, state so and why. I'm really struggling to see the why it isn't reasonable for one to lean or feel strongly about one of the most active players in the game.

MMM's self-vote just reads very cold and calculated. It doesn't help any town agenda and the only goal of the overall post seems to be to just to get the pressure off of him. There is a lot of anger but it's empty and pathetic. He's mad that we are scum reading him but can't tell us exactly why. He's mad that people are making accusations but won't go into depth why they're not fair and accurate ones. He's literally going to quit mafia because he can't be fucked to be a little more transparent. Just a straight up uncalled for survivalist play.

MMM is my strongest scum read and I'm satisfied with where my reads are currently.

I don't personally need anymore from today and I rather not give scum the chance to create apathy by drawing the day out.

He's already been pressured and cracked. I don't think the way he did comes from town and he's my strongest scum read.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No.

Why is MMM's slot town? Why can't you or anyone else answer this?

His replace out felt genuine, and the push on him from FormerFish (especially to hammer without claim day 1) felt anything but.

Now who is scum? MMM, who got into an argument with you and replaced out. Bomberman, who got into an argument with you and replaced out. And in any case I don't want to hammer him without claim, that's fucking godawful play I'd expect from a child who had never played mafia (and not a particularly bright one at that). I'll be honest, I understand why both of them did it. Talking to you is like talking to a verbose wall.

If we're lynching for information, you have the post count and you're around to claim. Fucking fine by me if you insist we go that way. Or you can back off and let other players play the fucking game, asshole.

I'm not showing any signs because again, no one is giving me any reasons too. The reasons I've received outside of you claiming Fish was forcing a hammer without a claim is that his replace out read genuine. What does that even mean? Wait, don't answer, that was rhetorical.

Now let's recap my issues with MMM's slot. MMM votes for me because he believed my confidence earlier suggests that I'm scum who slipped. I asked him why town can't be so confident at that stage and the following is what occurred:

In 243, he doesn't answer. The only thing closely resembling an answer is his second point, which isn't even an answer really. It's just saying that it's very easy for scum to have a strong town read at that stage because they're informed. This clearly isn't an answer to why town can't be confident in a town at that stage.

In 256, he still doesn't answer the question. He points out that I didn't state a reason for town reading Mulch but just over a dozen posts ago, he read Mulch's play as town. All he says is that me town reading Mulch without showing why is unacceptable. This again does not tell me why town cannot be so confident at the early stages of the game.

I like to think that town would have a few reasons for their belief or at least tell me what exactly about Mulch's warrants a scum read. He didn't do either. Just kept repeating himself over and over again.

Now let's get into his spat with massive. So ELA had asked MMM if their is a particular reason why he was reading massive the way he did. He responds by saying that he has massive where he is because of a lack of content. This earns him a vote from massive.

If you go back to 228, you'll see that MMM is leaning scum on the players he has colored yellow. massive's name is colored. Now if we read 260, in which MMM lashes out at massive, he tries to say that his actual scum leans are the people at the bottom and not the names that was yellow. Anyone with a brain knows this is bullshit. The players he had in the middle that were colored were clearly important to him and were lean scum reads because he took the time to emphasis it, by coloring and pointing out that they're that way, because of his belief that scum do not want to attract any heat on them in RVS.

The issue with the entire exchange is, why was he lying? Why was he upset that he was he called out for leaning one way about a players alignment when he did exactly just that?

This brings me to his self-vote in 345. He says he's upset because people are making false accusations and for people not reading what he said in his posts. Who exactly was throwing out any false accusations? Who wasn't reading? He was leaning scum on massive for his lack of content and I clearly read what he said in his posts because I prodded him to answer my question about the confidence thing and replied to his relevant points. If you feel this is wrong please correct me but based on me and massive's interactions with him, there is no reason for him to have been so upset since he didn't elaborate when given the chance to and as evident by 402, the self-vote strongly looks like it was done to get the pressure off of him.
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I'm not attacking anyone for the record. I'm sharing theory and trying to get people to understand my thought process. You can't lynch me but even you manage to, if you're town you only open up another avenue for scum to push their agenda and achieve their win-con.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Now compare that to Zach scum reading me because I don't see how he's obvious town..

[Lil Uzi Vert]

There is no reason for him to push to end the day early because of that.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah I seriously can't bother to play town on this site anymore. Towns are just awful nowadays and it's more taxing than ever to deal with that as town. I think I'm just going to inform people that moderate games often that I'll most likely replace out in pre-game if I receive a green role PM.

[iDanyboy]

That's not the only reason his scum reading you though. Even if it were, If his confident in his scum read of you him wanting you lynched and ending the day is normal but you push it like it's scummy and I know that's not what you think. If you had a problem with his case you would of posted 'your case is not good' but instead you pushed him for wanting to end the day.

[iDanyboy]

Yeah I seriously can't bother to play town on this site anymore. Towns are just awful nowadays and it's more taxing than ever to deal with that as town. I think I'm just going to inform people that moderate games often that I'll most likely replace out in pre-game if I receive a green role PM.

[Zachstralkita]

At worst it should just be used to sort if you're town. You're L-4, too.

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Yeah I seriously can't bother to play town on this site anymore. Towns are just awful nowadays and it's more taxing than ever to deal with that as town. I think I'm just going to inform people that moderate games often that I'll most likely replace out in pre-game if I receive a green role PM.

its funny cuz its posts like these that keep making me think youre town

the exasperation is overpowered

[Lil Uzi Vert]

That's not the only reason his scum reading you though. Even if it were, If his confident in his scum read of you him wanting you lynched and ending the day is normal but you push it like it's scummy and I know that's not what you think. If you had a problem with his case you would of posted 'your case is not good' but instead you pushed him for wanting to end the day.

I'm not pushing him for ending the day. I actually haven't pushed him at all.

I just pointed that out because in my experience, town are unlikely to push to end the day this early.

[iamafluffyrabbit]

are these LUV quotes from an LUV scumgame

is he one of those players that looks way more rational and gives more reasoning for stuff as scum

cuz im like that too but it suggests a metatownread on him in this game might be appropriate

[iDanyboy]

That's not the only reason his scum reading you though. Even if it were, If his confident in his scum read of you him wanting you lynched and ending the day is normal but you push it like it's scummy and I know that's not what you think. If you had a problem with his case you would of posted 'your case is not good' but instead you pushed him for wanting to end the day.

I'm not pushing him for ending the day. I actually haven't pushed him at all.

I just pointed that out because in my experience, town are unlikely to push to end the day this early.

But you have as town, that's my point.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

At worst it should just be used to sort if you're town. You're L-4, too.

It can't and you should know this.

VCA can't be done because I'll be flipping town and unless there's a vig who gets lucky, there won't be much to analyze. Town on this site also rarely go back and really reread the thoughts of the dead.

It's baffling really. I had just finished a game with Dany in which town mislynched me over a guilty I had and lost because of it. You would think he'd be more cautious here.

[iamafluffyrabbit]

whymaf looked towny on page 31

which irritates me because i lack scumreads again

if whymaf and luv are both town then maybe zach is the scum here after all

i think ive said this kind of thing verbatim before