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In transit atm. Be here properly soon.

Hi.

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VOTE: Everyone Else
Because most of us are town, but Everyone Else is mafia.

(Its the best i could come up with ok... )

This is a good fearless post.

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VOTE: everyone else

VOTE: Everyone Else
Because most of us are town, but Everyone Else is mafia.

(Its the best i could come up with ok... )

Not to be That Bitch™ but im fairly sure that u can only vote one person at a time....

pedit: ok i just deleted this rant i had about statistics and independent probabilities but it's good to know you were joking here \_O_/

i really wanted to say "not to be That Bitch™" again though so thanks for taking that opportunity away :////

1. This is adorable.
2. Genuine, so is not scum with everyone else.

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Am i the only one that thinks this "statistics" talk is a little distracting/pointless?

I get it's a joke but it rubs me the wrong way for some reason...
IGMEOY UC Voyager and cytheflyguy

do you think theyre deliberately trying to keep attention away from scumhunting?

doesnt seem like the case to me

This

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Katyusha.

Wonderful contribution after saying you were had stuff to say.

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Katyusha: what I mean is it's like stalling. Going for the player who hasn't yet confirmed and requesting meta - especially considering that the amount that somebody rolls scum is not alignment indicative at all unless I misunderstand completely - then sitting back and waiting for this one player instead of looking into any of the others available.
I don't like it. It feels like busywork.

@Keychain I mean.. um.. you could have started by voting with me

schadd? Why? I like cy.

You

should be voting with

me

.

keychain u r scum, hello!

Hello! Nah mate should I be voting you?

They didn't get a joke.

You're making something out of it.

Do busywork rules apply to you too?

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Is every single player in this game an alt

Not me

The not getting jokes is strong in this game.

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Is every single player in this game an alt

I'm still trying to process this one

Where tf is your content?

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Hi Havo!

Is there anything else that particularly strikes you to comment on atm


I would
Like to know

Yup. I don't understand Katyusha's scumread on Firaja because she's given no reason for it apart from disagreeing with him, and it looks like she mixed up Jodaxq and Firaja in 68 or else I just didn't understand that last comment at all. Also schadd's posts are works of art but I don't know what I think about them alignment wise yet.

Were you asking after something in particular?

Aaaaand good posting

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@Keychain

68 is actually talking to you lmao sorry

if my firaja vote was just for disagreeing with him i'd also be scumreading you here - theres more to it but i want people to do more before i push a full case

although saying it's just because i'm disagreeing feels a bit reductive. it was in the way he explained his reasoning that felt off (i.e. that he wasnt really parsing the game like i would expect town to)

First of all, you're wrong.

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Ah, OK

I'm not really happy with the cy push in general since firaja supports it (besides me townreading cy)

This is bad posting. And exudes scum ego.

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End of page five. Phone hurting eyes. Bbl

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I'm still liking it

Okay so:

A) You misquoted me. I said "If we're going by this logic, I think this would be a good place to start." Keywords: "If we're going by this logic". I thought other people would be going by this logic and decided to take a stab at it.

Yeah, my apologies, I should have put a disclaimer that it was my takeaway from the post, not a direct quote.
Can you explain what that logic was? Because from my POV it looks like you were assuming Transcend had a higher-than-random chance of rolling scum. I find that difficult to believe you accepted this premise, even more so that you would expect other people to do so, so please help me understand.

B) So because half of the people appeared before Transcend, I should have grasped at straws with them first? I went with a small thing that I could just look at -- not even actually scumreading him. And I addressed some of the faulty logic, it's not like I followed it blindly.

See above regarding why I find it difficult to understand how you followed

any

of the logic.
But no. I mean... you started a game. Players were posting things. Players with alignments. Instead of looking at their posts to work out if they were scum or not, you instead decided to inquire into the meta of a player who hadn't even posted, so you had zero way to develop a read from that at that point. I would have expected it to give you some sort of opinion on UCV, but I see no evidence of that so far.

C) What type of information? Like his previous games? How do I access that -- legit question. That'd be useful information down the road.

Yeah that was a legit question. When I'm doing background research I check wikis first (next to the PM button at the bottom left of each post) then the topic search Katyusha linked (go to profile of the player, bottom right of that). But you said you trying to get the game rolling, not that you were setting up for well down the track. Those are different things to me.


On another note: why are you voting Firaja?

Strong first and last paragraphs. Notable due to mentality. Good use of questions on a lead to get a better read.

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Guys no novels plz

You can stay

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Right, however using something out of seemingly nothing is a little sketchy to me. Trying to take something seemingly irrelevant and potwbtially turn it into something else is what is runbing me the wrong way here as it may be a potential to cause misdirection.
Again this is all a bit of a reach as it is a bit early, but i do see your point as well of cy trying to find substance and add to the discussion.

ok i guess this is what i wanted to get at

you think this is newbscummy or just newb?

also to find this post i looked at the activity count and i have to deeply apologize to everyone for having 30 fucking posts already so i'll just shut up and let dunnstral take over once i hit submit

Noob, seen this done well and badly. And if players see others using it in games they are liable to not understand the tone that belies the alignment. Plus the slot is town bc of opening.

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I can't read 100 and 110 and not scumread u

I stg, you better explain this.

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Right, however using something out of seemingly nothing is a little sketchy to me. Trying to take something seemingly irrelevant and potwbtially turn it into something else is what is runbing me the wrong way here as it may be a potential to cause misdirection.
Again this is all a bit of a reach as it is a bit early, but i do see your point as well of cy trying to find substance and add to the discussion.

I'm not really making the connection of how turning the discussion from "haha let's ql trans for memes hes statistically more likely to be scum" to "how do I read trans?" is a scummy diversion of attention. town wants to be able to read the rest of the table to ultimately find scum

Btw, I'm assuming you're new? do you have prior experience on a forum if so?

Firstly, to answer your question, I played on this site around 5-6 years ago, however forgot the password to my account, and lost access to the email linked to it, and so made this one because I wanted to give this a shot again.

Back on Topic; As i said before, I see where you are coming from, and as the thread has progressed it is clear cy is trying to add content and looking back it does make sense that they were trying to find something to work with. My original viewpoint was the UCV was making a joke, and it looked like cy was trying to turn it into something more major than it needed to be, which is why I said it was becoming distractive/irrelevant.
However after seeing this post;

Well I mean, what would you like me to do on the first page? If you look at the first thing I said, I go off the logic of someone else, not just straight up asking for meta with no context. I was trying to work with someone else to get the game rolling.

I am willing to admit I may have jumped the gun a little, and I didn't actually see it that way when in the moment last night.

I am leaning towards cy and Katyusha being town at this point simply for the reason that they are pushing valid reasons for suspecting me because of my misinterpretation of the cy/UCV interaction at the beginning of the game, and while I am still a little sceptical of the exchange in general, I believe my sights may have been temporarily diverted in the wrong direction.

One last thing before I move on,

Ah, OK

I'm not really happy with the cy push in general since firaja supports it (besides me townreading cy)

I did not support the cy push, I simply stated an opinion on an event that happened, I even said it was a little early to take too much from it at that point. If I supported the push, I would have voted cy. I didn't because I still was unsure at the time.
However now, thanks to the points raised by you and cy, I am not.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: UC Voyager

and here's why;
Looking back at the original exchange that I felt a bit weird on, what I overlooked was UCV pushing a little hard on this point with posts #14 and #15, and then explaining in "detail" with post #17. Due to this, I now understand how it may have been seen as an actual point against Transcend instead of a joke, which I first believed was the intention. Again, due to this, it seems that UCV was the one actually being distracting here, as he kept pushing this point through to post #75, before discounting it as "Joke Logic" - causing a distracting exchange which he then seemed to make mean seemingly nothing. I don't understand why he let the exchange go on so long, and make it seem that he was being serious to just discount it all after the fact.

Also once discussion had started this post;

i am not an alt

Rubs me the wrong way, as it is adding nothing at all, and as discussion had started by then, there is little excuse for it in my opinion.

Moving away from UCV for a second (because I still have 2 pages of the thread to read... )

Once again, he refuses to specify any points. At all. The difference between you and him is the fact that you use sources, you recall specific instances, and you fleshout your thoughts. Even in your first few points about the situation, you came across way more town they he did. That's why I townread you and scumread him.

I didn't have a lot to flesh out at that point, as it was just an observation at that point more than anything else, I didn't say I thought you were scum because of it, so didn't feel the need to push a case through, but I think with the small amount of information I had (2 pages) I explained why I thought the way I did about the information the best I could. Please explain further if I am misinterpreting this though? But I thought I did use the example I was referring to as much as I could at that time.

Guys no novels plz

But "Novels" are us expressing our opinions, how else would you like us to catch scum?

ok i guess this is what i wanted to get at

you think this is newbscummy or just newb?

I am unsure, the reason why I said it *could* be scummy is because of the potential focus on something seemingly irrelevant (but as I explained above, I do now see this as making UCV look more Scummy that cy). The reason I said I have my eye on cy isn't because I necessarily believe he is Scum, but because if this becomes a constant thing it could lead me to believe he is. However, his recent posts have me leaning away from this view.

havo
transcend
firaja

Hi.

Dude you were doing so well and then this. Bloody hell. Selective tells that don't apply to others is real bad. Like real bad.

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I asked cause
your post has a lot of words but in 144 the merit of your town reads on cy/Katy basically amounts to "they're scumhunting/solving"
Am I wrong
So it makes me wonder what you actually think scum would be doing.... or trying to give the impression of
Cause that post doesn't seem like it comes from town



Also your UC Voyager read is actually boggling and I didnt like his posts that much either
townread cy and Katy for adding game content but scumread UC Voyager for distracting the game
When that interaction actually was the start of advancing the game
Whether he's scum or town it was really clear the impression was joke-y
What was being distracted from tho

In the span of the posts you're referring to what happened in order was
- you talk about uc / cy interaction
-Katy pushes you
-Katy pushes you
- Keychain scums it up

Am I high? Im not high

Scum

Keychain
Firaja
Dunnstral
Jodaxq
schadd(lmao)

If Uc is mafia here I think he'd be with Firaja

Fwm

"Scum lists are scummy" - everyone like two years ago.

But on a serious note. Joda and schadd are like a worse version of you so far.

"Humans like to tell the truth even if they are trying to lie."

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And can I please just say. Y'all need to shut up about the rvs.

Half these people you have reads on have not done anything. Engage for fucks sake.

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Noted

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Will be commencing read soon.

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I'm gonna go back in my foxhole and when I come out things are going to make sense
Btw transc Im not fucking with ur havo read atall




VOTE: Schadd

How could you have that read? The slot ain't done shit.

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Last two lines are artificial

Oh dann some analysis. A rare goodposting.

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Why townread keychain
And whats ur Havo meta

Maybe because theyre the one trying to get anything out of the shitposting

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I get the impression Joda should have more to comment on

Omg, I agree with you.

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VOTE: everyone else

Let’s see if they magically appear.

Oh man, you trying real hard to get shit to stick to the wall hey?

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My vote is my tool.

And I use my tool to sort reads.

Why is that so shocking to you?

But you aren't doing that, like wtf, seriously?

Dis is scum folks.

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unvote

Don't believe I ever did this.

I'll put one down when I'm done. The above or zach are looking good for it tho.

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That wasn't what that post seemed to be getting at though? it seemed like it was saying a lot of people were acting scummy?

p-edit; It is day 1, but you just seemingly U-Turned on a read because of one post? which isn't that different than the other posts that Joda made?

Uh. Just because I vote someone doesn’t mean I hard SR them.

I agreed with Trans that Joda was a good candidate for pressure.
Since there wasn’t much else cooking at the time.

I liked her response because I can definitely relate to it.

So now for me it’s on to look somewhere else for now.

The words.

They don't match the play.

You are saying the right things, but the actions they don't back it up. Your pressure vote lasted a whole half a page.

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That wasn't what that post seemed to be getting at though? it seemed like it was saying a lot of people were acting scummy?

p-edit; It is day 1, but you just seemingly U-Turned on a read because of one post? which isn't that different than the other posts that Joda made?

Uh. Just because I vote someone doesn’t mean I hard SR them.

I agreed with Trans that Joda was a good candidate for pressure.
Since there wasn’t much else cooking at the time.

I liked her response because I can definitely relate to it.

So now for me it’s on to look somewhere else for now.

Fair enough, I like your response and now you've explained it I understand where you are coming from about your vote.

Also maybe I misinterpreted that post but I thought the post meant a lot of people were acting suspicious is where my question came from about it.

Newbie town or both scum? Leaning the former.

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@Havo: Someone feeling out of step with the game is not necessarily scum, I agree, but it's also not necessarily town. Can feel it as either alignment though I think it's more likely to come from scum. Your vote on and leap off comes across bad if that's the basis. Apart from Jo, can you summarise your townreads for me?


@Jo: do your thing! Poke at things you don't understand, or focus on the things you

can

parse. The way you went from cy to UCV shortly after I did unnerves me - was my read influencing you?

Do you scumread Transcend?

pedit u dont like any of his posts but hes town?

It was apparently a bad joke.

uhh which bit was the joke?

tbh I feel like I'm missing something in this game. There's a lot of strange interactions.

iReAlLyDoNoTlIKeThIsPoStInThEsLiGhTeSTbItGuYsIsItJuStMe

No I agree, also are you biased against phone posters because I had to turn my phone sideways to read this

also keychain cant be read with vibes most likely

Huh okay I don't know why you'd think this. Normally it's logic that leads people to townread me when I'm scum. In that case - how should I read you? At the moment I'm leaning scum.
Also your schadd read gives me nothing.

If Key is scum, they are playing really well. Note to self to watch this slot on like day 3.

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VOTE: Jodaxq

gut read scummy

Please omg please. Do the fuck something. Cite something. There's even a case on the slot and you go with gut scum. Make a stand.

This feels wifom town so idk, but if you are town put in some effort. This is a real hard game to get anything out of.

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like. for reals

who rolls scum 60% of the time???????how could anyone take that seriously? PLUS IT WAS RVS
anyone who has used that as a way to scum hunt me has a good chance of being scum trying to take advantage of something like that!

please not this again.

You need to do shit too.

The uber ignorance of wagon is something I did a lot when I was new and scum. Badvibes, but slight.

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well Jodax. why me?

because i havn't posted much or scum hunted?!?!?

crappy. i do that as town sometimes. You can't meta me because the only type of gameplay you have seen from me is my town PR play

So when you're a town PR (who was outed and therefore roleblocked every night) you come right out and scum hunt openly, but when you're a vanilla civ you don't?

did i say i was VT?
no. what i said was you have seen my "town pr game style" and it is way to early to be meta reading!
so trying to use "he publicly scum reads and what not as town" isn't valid

you crumbed it pretty hard man

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I hardclaim 2-shot bulletproof

Aww man, I thought you were straight bulletproof. My crumb reads are getting worse.

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i want to electrocute my self

Can be arranged

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Vote Count Four, Or "Maybe We Can Get This Cantenna To Pick Up A Satellite Feed If We Wish With All Our Hearts"

Jodaxq (3): Transcend, Dunnstral, Keychain
Firaja (3): Katyusha, cytheflyguy, Zachstralkita
UC Voyager (2): Firaja, Jodaxq
Transcend (2): UC Voyager, Everyone Else
Keychain (1): wavemode
cytheflyguy (1): Schadd
Everyone Else (1): Havo

Day 1 Will End Most Likely With Me Getting Tired Of All This And Doing A "Rocks Fall, Party Dies", Or In (expired on 2017-11-28 21:00:00).

With Thirteen Alive, Seven Votes Are Required To Lynch.

Everyone Else has been prodded. This is their first prod of the day.

VOTE: cy the dry pie

Please Use People's Usernames To Vote For Them. This Vote Was Accepted This One Time, But The Price Of That Is Me Using You As A Learning Example For The Rest Of The Class.

While We Are Providing Learning Opportunities, I Would Like To Remind All Players Of Rule 7, And Rule 13

7. Lurking:

Players who sign up in this game are expected to actively post and participate. Players who do not post for 48 hours without prior warning will be prodded. Failure to respond to a prod within 24 hours will result in replacement. Receiving 3 prods in the same Day will result in forced replacement.

Lurking will not be a viable strategy in this game and players who are consistently prodded or post only to avoid being prodded will be replaced at the Mod's discretion.

13. Catch-All: If you seem to be violating the spirit of these rules while operating under the letter of them, I will take appropriate action. Fair warning.

Don't Make Me Metaphorically Slap You Across The Face With The Engorged Member Of Justice.

(Is That A Metaphor Or A Simile? Dammit Jim I'm Not An English Teacher.)[/color][/b]

Metaphor, if it were like the engorged member of justice but not quite it would be a similie.

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VOTE: jodaxq

duuuuuuuuude, no.

Bad vote on a good wagon.

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My crumb reads are getting worse.

Why are you going around crumb reading, openly?

Andrius is one of my best friends.

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U guys can't be deadass lol this is not flipping scum

town and scum

we should no lynch every day

then mafia, you no kill every night, then see how many days we can get in before the mod gets mad and tells us to kill people!

JK, lets not do that, i wan't to join a game to do that one day, but i don't think this one, i really like the flavor in the vote counts

SKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSKSK?

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Ok just did the iso and yeah it wan't him. I did think someone was bulletproof imma find who it was gimme a sec.

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we have like 5 latent policy lynches. where is bins

i'm excited to Get Endgamed and Lose who's with me

I think it might have been this.

Sorry

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also not really understanding your reaction, screenplay - what's the problem?

I don’t want people trying to find and out roles publicly. That is the definition of anti-Town.

Only the second bit is anti-town.

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also not really understanding your reaction, screenplay - what's the problem?

I don’t want people trying to find and out roles publicly. That is the definition of anti-Town.

but wavemode already hard claimed bulletproof. there's no new information there, wavemode himself hard claimed bulletproof. espeonage even quoted it in the post you were responding to:

I hardclaim 2-shot bulletproof

Aww man, I thought you were straight bulletproof. My crumb reads are getting worse.

He talking about how I said I saw a crumb.

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Can this have SKs?

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i wonder how easy this game would be if i took it seriously. lol
i am 100% positive scum want to lynch bait me.

Oh shit, fuck, are you the sneaky scum that just messed up?

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It’s not the only time.
He is openly or hunting.
Not scum hunting.

if you're talking about 727, i don't really consider that crumb hunting. ucv's 270 is hardly a crumb, it's more of an implication. besides, there's still no new information being revealed there.

Oh yeah that. It was implied and I wasn't the only one that picked up on it.

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as you just said you answered the question that was unfair
Was it really unfair lol
It's a pretty typical question

firaja has only done one major thing (push ucv) and the rest of his stuff is non committal
What I said was pretty fine
his motivation for (pushing a mislynch) is self explanatory

his motivation for pushing uc exactly is because Uc isn't a hard target
he probably chose ucv cause assuming and ucv are both town you can easily appear to be scumhunting by pushing based off of that interaction
which is why his (real) entrance to the game was focused on cy;uc, progresses into the uc push
hangs out there
doesn't attract lot of pressure





Side note 133 is still best post in the game

I'm starting to understand you now. We were talking about different things.
The scum motivation for UCV's actions are to mislynch me. He chose me because I was the other significant wagon.

no because i can meta read you. you are either town PR or scum!

Relevant.

That's like super perfect.

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Can this have SKs?

yes, normal games can have at most one serial killer.

Then wave may be one. So no, slot doesn't get a free pass.

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speaking of which - are we all just treating wavemode as confirmed town?

Quoted for context

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Firaja Is Replaced By northsidegal.

Welcome NSG.

Now tell us why you shouldn’t be the Lynch today?

This is what we call asking for something impossible so you can be a dick about it later when you need to find a reason to push that stagnant lynch through.

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Hey so I was kinda wondering how this game is stupid slow, like we're at the end of the day and nowhere near a lynch. So I looked at them juicy stats. I have the 6th most posts and i've been here the least amount of time.

AND there is a distinct lack of content.

Everyone posting one liners without analysis or goodstuffs needs to get their shit together in the next 48 hours. For the record, one liner analysis is the good half of trans' posts, and none of schadd's posts.

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I don’t care.
You don’t go calling people out and pr hunt/announce.

Go swing from a tree.

I just realised this is in relation to your slot. Now I am left wondering, why are you angry about it. And really a callout of VT really only stops a different claim without proof.

You know who does those.

It starts with S and ends in Cum.

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Later UC posts were badstuffs, now this.

Vote: Screenplay

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Did, lol

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Havo, Screenplay, and the other could be a few people Katy or Zach maybe.

All the wagons are balls. New wagons.

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Wel tbf there's only 1 wagon at the moment. Because the competing wagon went to new wagon.

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I was very confused.

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It’s not the only time.
He is openly or hunting.
Not scum hunting.

if you're talking about 727, i don't really consider that crumb hunting. ucv's 270 is hardly a crumb, it's more of an implication. besides, there's still no new information being revealed there.

There is a big difference between thinking you caught something and announcing it to the game. Later if it needs to be brought up it can buy silly to do it for no reason.
But whatever.
Espeonage is obviously softening a killing role.

Dude, in the case of your slot. It was already brought up. I was not the first person to discover this.

Its in the original quote.

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Its because he's mad he can't fakeclaim.

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Impossible to get traction.

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unvote

Willing to compromise on uzi, havo, or Dunn.

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vote: uzi

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It doesn't exist any more. Trans moved.

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Thats L-1 by my count I'm p sure

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My urge to call for a flash wagon on Havo is rising.

And the wagon composition is balls.

:/

unvote

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Yep if everyone else gets their vanity wagon I'm gonna get mine.

Vote: Havo

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The thing with a replacement is that they can come in and see things without the shared experience of the players who have been in the game longer. And sometimes that's required.

But hey, appealing to old reads as a defence is nice I guess. Good for you.

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Schadd really came out of the woodwork to stop his lynch.

@ people that left him and katy: why does only playing when you're about to be lynched constitue a town mentality?

Havo not going to get over the line. And schadd is tryharding all of a sudden.

unvote, vote: schadd

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Bc you said he was your top townread which is as ridiculous as what you called zach out for

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And no, the road was not obviously town or he wouldn't still have a wagon on him.

If you read it thinking about motivation, it's real bad scummy.

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Ebwop road should be spew

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He should have not been useless in the first place.

Like, if he was town, he wouldn't have been the lurky useless slot bc he is obviously capable of displaying content.

This is a lurker scum that got screwed by a day 1 wagon under time pressure and is trying to dig his way out.

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Just putting it out there. I will not be around at the end of the time. I have work tomorrow and the day ends at 8am my time.

People need to pick between us fairly quickly.

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unless you're saying that bc you're implying people need to save you you realize we have plur right

we dont need a full 7 votes for lynching

I want to be able to be around if I need to defend myself or claim.

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Schadd really came out of the woodwork to stop his lynch.

@ people that left him and katy: why does only playing when you're about to be lynched constitue a town mentality?

Havo not going to get over the line. And schadd is tryharding all of a sudden.

unvote, vote: schadd

I think you missed this mod.

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I will be able to get online for the last hour. I'll set an alarm.