Mini 1972 - Friendship is Magic - Game over

[Tchill13]

So I'm expecting a vig claim from one of the 3 and that the vig shot jodax. Or a mixture of one of the 3 jail keeping one of the others.

[Tchill13]

In all seriousness, let's pick up where I left off

VOTE: Tchill

Do you have a real reason for this vote?

Beefster is all about some beef. In all seriousness other than set up spec,which is helpful in catching scum and understanding what could be going on compared to the probability of role interactions.... So it's a good thing, I've not seen beef give a real reason.

[Tchill13]

The UC wagon was shit from the start. Maki,tora and screenplay were all on it. I'd imagine all 3 scum would have to be to get that pushed through.

[Tchill13]

So I'm expecting a vig claim from one of the 3 and that the vig shot jodax. Or a mixture of one of the 3 jail keeping one of the others.

You'll also hear " jodax could have protected us"

[Tchill13]

So while I'm not gonna call for it quite yet I think it'd be beneficial to have a vig claim fest and have those 3 go first. Like I said I'm not calling for it yet. Knowing if there is a vig and who they shot last night phase if one does exist helps more than hurts town atm. Later obviously.

[Tchill13]

Because they're going to if they're scum.

[Tchill13]

If they're scum they have to explain why they weren't killed as conftown masons. They could CLAIM they (screen,tora or maki) vigged jodax. Which would lead town to believe that the scum kill got blocked because the protective used their night action on the claimed masons.

[Tchill13]

They have to explain why jodax was killed instead of them. The vig explanation is the easiest route so I figured I'd jump put ahead of the game.

[Tchill13]

Yeah. Tchill is definitely scum but let's not read into the masons being alive.

[Tchill13]

From a clear headed perspective.... Random Mason claim day 1 under no pressure. Questionable. One Mason flips twice on every read on every play in the game. The other Mason doesn't contribute at all.... No masons die night 1. Raises an eye brow.

[Tchill13]

Both masons make shitty arguments for the UC wagon and both are also on it. It is then hammered by the only guy in the game I can see a clear cut association to.

[Tchill13]

If one of those players ever flipped town and I was scum I'm hitching my wagon to literally 3 flips I have to avoid the whole game. You imbeciles would rather Lynch a low info UC than get me out of the game day 1 if yall truly believe I'm scum or a harm to town. It's pathetic.

[Tchill13]

I didn't expect you to of all ppl.

[Tchill13]

I'm.... Not even going to explain why that's not a town tell. You think scum will act scummy and town will act towny? Is this your first game?...

[Tchill13]

Scum will go as long as they can without resolving the Mason situation. That at least we can all agree upon. It's causing the most turmoil and confusion rn.

[Tchill13]

The only difference between me and the rest of the player list is I believe that they're not above fake claiming masons day 1. I will happily self vote if one of those 3 flip town.

[Tchill13]

Yeah you just prove you think town act towny and scum act scummy.

[Tchill13]

Imo It should be either me or screen that get lynched today.

[Tchill13]

Tchill13 has went loopy.
Yesterday as I was reading I kept wondering to myself “ why hasn’t he been lynched yet”.
But
When I think why all I come up with is policy.
He is giving off the wall ideas. Going against the grain, hard.
I don’t see scum doing that.

Someone made a point about scum talking a lot and loud to steer town to mislynches. I agree. I have seen that done before.
But
What he is doing is not the same. It works when town believes and has your trust. Be is is fighting against everyone to make sure he is heard.

Hey where I’m coming from. ?

did you just copy and paste what tora told you to say in the scum thread? now all 3 players are pushing im just insane town.

[Tchill13]

seriously though scum will not want this resolved for as long as possible. they'll want to keep ALL 4 of us alive if all 4 of us are town. so we need to handle this this day phase.

[Tchill13]

If you are town you are going to have to try and compromise and reevaluate reads.

i refuse to compromise here. i am town.

[Tchill13]

seriously though scum will not want this resolved for as long as possible. they'll want to keep ALL 4 of us alive if all 4 of us are town. so we need to handle this this day phase.

this has to make sense if your town.

[Tchill13]

you wont flip town.

[Tchill13]

The silence from our “Confirmed Town” masons is deafening right now.

[Tchill13]

Yeah. I'll fully believe the Mason claim if screen flips town. You have my word.

[Tchill13]

Beef out here voting people for logical thought processes lmao

[Tchill13]

Screen just openly attempted to manipulate havos words.

[Tchill13]

I flip town then what flip Tchill13? Then he flips town. Then what? What type of information flip is that?

Because the claimed Masons have shown reluctance to Lynch you.

I have a gut scum read on you and Tchill has a scum read on you.

You flip town and we’re more likely to believe the Mason claims.

You flip scum and this game is solved.

That is a bad conclusion.
Not even taking the mason claims into consideration, ponder this.
What do scum do to get town cred?
They town read a town player that everyone is scum reading. After flip they say “I told you so”.

So you saying you question their claim but me flipping town will make you not is just negligent.

"not even taking the masons claim into consideration ". Lol. You're attached to tora buddy.

[Tchill13]

Scum also do things that would be too stupid for scum to do for town cred. Like Mason claiming day 1.

[Tchill13]

Our conf town players would rather the game die and let players get apathetic than lead a Lynch on someone. Think about that for a second.

[Tchill13]

Maki is obv scum. Tora... I applaud you're effort. Screen you just got caught by association more so than anything.

[Tchill13]

Masons need to start doing mason things.

You know, like leading town.

They're trying to figure out if they should double down on tchill is just crazy town or if I should be the Lynch today.

[Tchill13]

We've lynching in Dunn/Havo/Sreen
today btw

Oh you said screen. What a joy.

[Tchill13]

Claimed Masons appear at the signal calling. Thank goodness.

[Tchill13]

Good luck trying to lynch me but oh please do try it'd be fun to watch.

Screen then tora then you. Silly goose.

[Tchill13]

Scum also do things that would be too stupid for scum to do for town cred. Like Mason claiming day 1.

well you're the king of doing stupid things

if everyone wants to lynch screen sure let's lynch screen

I'm having a hard time with this game

Shouldn't be anyone against this if tora and maki are for it.

VOTE: screen

If they're bold enough to claim Mason day 1 they're bold enough to act like they're ok with lynching their scum partner.

[Tchill13]

ok... lets consider this. what town motivation do masons have for bread crumbing masons (which implies they know they will claim in the future) then your mason partner randomly claiming masons day 1 under no pressure what so ever? Where is the town motivation in that? you dont think its odd that not only did maki already bread crumb that early into day 1 but it just so happened to be before his partner "randomly" claimed masons not too far into day 1 also?

my first question is where is the town motive for claiming masons (A VERY VERY strong tool to town) that early under no pressure in day 1?

my second question is if they truly are masons why would they be alive after the night phase? So i could wifom town if i was scum? If you think that is it look at why we lynched UC and tell me that benefited town more than lynching me. Both "masons" were on the UC wagon for little to no solid reasons.

my third question is if they are scum that claimed masons day 1 do you think they would be too scared to bus their partner in an attempt to keep us from voting screen?

if im scum here i have to keep those 3 players from flipping town at any point in the game. lets say its me and 2 other rando players as scum. that would mean due to my play i'm hoping for a perfect scum win and i would rely on the FOURTH vote of a rando player to win me the game. im not scum. im not paranoid town. if you lynch screen you'll see that.

[Tchill13]

Oddmusic and Beef are town
this on the other hand is not
VOTE: Havo

So is this your first game or second?

I'm MariaR nice to see you again Havo. Let's get you lynched D1 again this time but a cop claim won't save you this time

LETS BE MASONS

YESSSSS <3

I’ve aleays been 100% at the end of D1. Its my meta

I’m done for the rest of the day.
Peace

so we should lynch you then

if your meta is being 100% right at the end of D1, why are you voting a town mason?

oops

so maki breadcrumbs super early....then yall are gonna out your masonry under no pressure... to get screen lynched... which never happened. seems to me if you out a masonry you would be willing to do a lot to get someone lynched. or ya know... just smoke and mirrors.

[Tchill13]

I have just outed my masonry to get this dude lynched

that is my contribution to this game, doing what tchill tried to do on page 2

now chop chop

[Tchill13]

thats what you took away from all that?

[Tchill13]

if all 4 of us are town not lynching any of us is what the scum team would want. besides im pushing screen. that'll lead to a strong enough associative case once screen flips scum. thats why i said it should be screen or me today.

[Tchill13]

thats fine if youd rather lynch me. im not voting anyone else today.

[Tchill13]

im flipping you because your scum.

[Tchill13]

no stop trying to steer the convo away from this.

[Tchill13]

I will insta hammer odd if they ever make it to L-1

why even mention this?

[Tchill13]

I will insta hammer odd if they ever make it to L-1

why even mention this?

[Tchill13]

scumtastic answer.

[Tchill13]

why not say me then?

[Tchill13]

you had already voted me. ok.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: screenplay

[Tchill13]

how can you justify not voting me but also not voting the other 3?

[Tchill13]

man i really do hope im wrong for yalls sake.

[Tchill13]

i dont see why town wouldnt vote me if they dont think those 3 are scum.

[Tchill13]

Lol. You know it's scum when they start screaming pre flip associations are bad. Yall just let them win the game based off some over the top bull crap that's cool. Completely incompetent townies in this game. It's the worst I've seen on site from a group as a whole.

[Tchill13]

Scum act like scum. Town act like town. We're not lynching the crazy town idiot. We're not lynching the player who's flip could prove the masons to be town or scum. We're gonna continue to Lynch in the low info non active group LMAO. SO DUMB.

[Tchill13]

The scum hunting here is abysmal. Not even looking for long term reasoning. Yall are literally just picking some tiny NAI crap and just seeing if it sticks. Nobody can justify their vote on UC. That wagon was pushed through due to scum and apathy. Just like day 2s will be if yall don't get your heads out of your asses.

[Tchill13]

Those 3 aren't really gonna push me unless it's policy lol. That's the funny part.

[Tchill13]

Keep using the player that believes "ppl play obv alignment" to help make your case beef.

[Tchill13]

Ok. Let's play justify your uc vote.

[Tchill13]

I have just outed my masonry to get this dude lynched

that is my contribution to this game, doing what tchill tried to do on page 2

now chop chop

[Tchill13]

Yes...let it consume you. Lynch tchill. Begin to resolve the issue at hand which will lead to the demise of those 3.

[Tchill13]

In all seriousness I can't wait to be scum and play with any of yall. It'll be too easy.

[Tchill13]

Btw show me one game where I've led as town I'll wait I've never led a game in my life

Self meta is bad and you should feel bad.

[Tchill13]

I'm going to flip town and when I do remember I said screen, maki and toranaga all called me bad town for town credit after my flip. Do no forget that.

[Tchill13]

Yeah we'll talk about that post game. Seriously throw votes on me you idiots.

[Tchill13]

I have no voice. My thoughts aren't resect ed. I'm dead weight for scum at this point. Lynch me.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: tchill

Somebody back up their talk and follow through with it

[Tchill13]

Dunn and beef are stupid.

[Tchill13]

Dave and wave mode are the smartest players in the game atm.

[Tchill13]

Well next to havo and he who swims.

[Tchill13]

I mean screen is on there so scum is there. Then maki is voting havo. Those 2 refuse to vote me or screen but have talked about lynching me or screen multiple times.

[Tchill13]

Iirc? I'm so sorry I pissed you off. You'll get over it

[Tchill13]

As for ur other post, if I show you an example where scum hammered will u self vote?

No
Town should never self vote. I’m 100% against that play. Pisses me of.

Also he talks here as if he knows I'm town

[Tchill13]

I have just outed my masonry to get this dude lynched

that is my contribution to this game, doing what tchill tried to do on page 2

now chop chop

Come on tora and maki. Don't let outing your masonry come in vain. Bus your scum partner and Lynch him in a last ditch effort to distance.

[Tchill13]

UNVOTE:

So I don't get quick hammered by those 2.

[Tchill13]

I'm the player that self voted. You're talking about me self voting when you say "town should never self vote" and also talking like you know I'm town. It suggests you know I'm town. Then you say YOU get pissed off. Clearly showing the first sentence was about me. The fact that you even responded just helps my case.

[Tchill13]

And how about that silence from the conf townies?

[Tchill13]

Who asked? Where?

[Tchill13]

Maki why Lynch havo over screen if havo could be a pr? You may have not seen a game with masons and multiple PR's but I've never seen masons claim for no reason day 1. So it's possible isn't it? Just not likely right?

[Tchill13]

Lmao. Both maki and screenplay out here faking being pissed off. Tora already gave up. It's inevitable they get caught at this point.

[Tchill13]

I mean you definitely will live till day 3. It's either me or screen day 2.

[Tchill13]

Dunn do you have a Lynch pool?

[Tchill13]

That maki and toranaga won't actually vote you

[Tchill13]

IF all 4 of us are town. I'd suggest I am innocent, Dunn and Dave. That's only if all 4 of us are town. The which I totally don't believe.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: havo
I think this should be lynched now that I think about it
Havo pr softed and with a doctor flip I doubt town has anymore prs

No. I didn’t soft claim.

But if that’s what you believed how is it ProTown to call it out? Much less to use
It as an excuse to vote me? Now looks who’s speculating on setup.

I don’t believe the Mason claim. You and ESP Tor are too good to be this bad.
If somehow you are Masons you’re failing miserably. As you’re both completely
Lost in this game.

We Lynch Screen today and this game cracks open either way.
Lynching me accomplishes nothing except showing town the “Masons” led another
MisLynch.

So go ahead and Lynch me, absolve me of this . Make me look good here.

if screen flips town nothing cracks open. you're making an assumption that screen is gonna flip scum. any scum flip may crack the game open.

If screen flips town I'll believe the Mason claim.

[Tchill13]

I have just outed my masonry to get this dude lynched

that is my contribution to this game, doing what tchill tried to do on page 2

now chop chop

I mean tchill has broken the game and now I don't really know how to read

but I like this

vote: havo

there are important non SvS associations between dunn, screenplay, dave and IAI. I could move to IAI from the wagoned folks. don't really think it's tchill or screen atm.

vote: IAI

after giving a second thought, I think havo calling out the masons and acting a little holier than thou is kinda villagery. not enough for me to think he is a villager but.

also he is totally never town PR, IDK where that came from

"outed my masonry to lynch screen" "tchill has broken the game".

he doesnt vote either guy. instead he votes the guy voting screen. lmao. if you cant see he doesnt want to reslove the situation at all at this point then your blind.

[Tchill13]

i havent broken anything. i refuse to let scum hide in plain sight. i also refuse to give up on it.

[Tchill13]

odd is the 4th vote on the wagon and i highly doubt he expected more ppl to pile on. i still think odd was scum distancing early. im guessing you seen this AFTER you outed your mason claim to lynch screenplay?

[Tchill13]

sure jopdax was TR'd by everyone. so were maki and tora. that doesnt explain the lack of NK on the masons. that mixed with the masons not willing to vote me or screen to resolve this means they're probably scum. it wont hurt town if i flip town or screen flips town. it WILL hurt a LOT more if IAI, dave, dunn, havo, wavemode or hewhoswims flips town. We won't get much info out of those flips if they flip town and the tchill v screen, maki, tora issue still will not be resolved.

[Tchill13]

what about it? thats one VC out of 1328 posts. your basing your whole read on that? laughable. down right ignorant too.

[Tchill13]

nice. vote the guy who is bad town not the one you "outed" your masonry to lynch.

[Tchill13]

doesnt matter if im lynched. those 3 simply wont be able to explain why none of them were NK'd night 2.

[Tchill13]

Lmao that didn't last long.

[Tchill13]

So obvious tora doesn't want me to flip.

[Tchill13]

"Killed the game" "outed masonry to get him lynched" absolutely REFUSES to vote either.

[Tchill13]

doesnt matter if im lynched. those 3 simply wont be able to explain why none of them were NK'd night 2.

Actually it doesn't matter who's lynched here. As long as yall don't hit a town pr and make it obvious due to PR's that masons aren't in this game. So tora I'll vote whoever you want me to.

[Tchill13]

Actually screw it, not voting tchill not voting myself, but screen is likely scum with that hammer. May move based on my catchup but for now:

VOTE: screen

this is a wolfy read into why screen is scum. hammering is whatever, we needed to move on to the next gameday anyway. I'm not buying this is a real thought you're having here IAI.

It’s hammering without asking for a claim with 7 days left that is scummy.

Toranaga outed his masonry to Lynch screen but defends screen hammer without giving anytime to claim.

[Tchill13]

So let's just make it clear that toranaga literally claimed masons just to claim Masons.... Under no pressure.... Then refused to even act like he wanted to Lynch screen. Town doesn't claim masons for no reason early day 1.

[Tchill13]

Now screen gets the most town points for naked hammering...lol.

[Tchill13]

Well at least IAI has some sense. Maybe there is some hope.

[Tchill13]

This thing where screen declared he wasn't posting anymore this day phase due to a situation he just kinda made up but hammered so he could post again... That's quite comical. Quite insane too if that's your actual reason for naked hammering.

[Tchill13]

"Quite open about lol hammering so I don't read into it" "actually the person who hammers is the most town on a wagon".

Toranaga

You sit on a throne of lies.

[Tchill13]

And maki just threw some shit out there so she could just lurk some more. She's worthless at this point Imo. Not bringing anything or any reads of her own to the table. Absolutely no scum hunting from herself.

[Tchill13]

You can ignore me all you want. At least I'm trying. I like the tactic to discredit me that's pretty smooth. The problem is tora's play is terrible here if he was to actually be town. It's not just terrible. It might be the worst town game I've ever seen on site if he's town.

Outed masonry day 1 "to Lynch screen". Well that's just not true considering his play.

Flipped his read on just about every player twice.

If he is masons he came in aggressively trying to control the game but his partner believes masons should only comment on ideas. So they're obviously not working together or showing cohesiveness.

"Tchill broke the game" votes tchill for 3 posts then finds a reason to vote someone else.

Pushed the UC wagon and I'm pretty sure the case against UC was about UC not wanting ppl to talk about pot. What kinda case is that?

Instead of resolving the issue of the masonry claim he'd rather Lynch anyone than the other 2 players in the middle of it. Screen and tchill. This guy is doing everything he can NOT to Lynch screen or tchill. I'm not asking him to Lynch his Mason partner. I'm asking him to Lynch a player that could be his scum partner by pre flip association. So why so reluctant to vote screen? Is he scared of the flip? Pre flips are bad and I broke the game right? So why so reluctant to vote me? Is he scared of the flip? He does know I'm town. It's because he's scum. If you'll look back and see all 3 scum are making the same exact and ONLY case against me they can. I'm stupid town.... ALL 3 of them are saying that. Over and over. Wonder why that is?

[Tchill13]

If anything at all.... It should be the biggest red flag ever that he said he outed to Lynch screen. He was totally down for the screen Lynch when little to no votes where on him. Now that it's a real possibility he will not vote there. At all. He knows if screen flips red and neither maki or tora die tonight it's over. Which is exactly the situation I'd like to play out.

This isn't tunneling. I'm just more active. I also won't give up on obv scum. Tora you've yet to present any indication on why you're town. You're "best" post. The love letter to me a while back.... That was just AtE. That's all that crap was. If you want to say I'm tunneling this "idea" or whatever then fine fine. You can't tell me there isn't a reason for me to pursue this though.

Worst town game I've ever seen

Lurker Mason

Player caught by association that the assocatiove refuses to vote.

Why shouldn't I think this is the scum team?

[Tchill13]

Lmao at maki. Can't even give credit. "Wrong reasons". So full of it.

[Tchill13]

You are guilting me by association.
You are ignoring other players with your tunnel.
Lynch me (town)
Mason dies tonight (town)
Tomorrow in a way worse situation

A few questions for screen.

Can we agree that tora just outed for no reason at all?

Why would scum kill an unconf townie versus a conf townie?

Why was lynching UC more optimal than lynching me at that point in the game if I just break the game and cause confusion? (You hammered you must have a good reason)

Why did you feel the need to create a scenario where the only reason you hammered was so you could talk more?

[Tchill13]

And the "good" in their claim is they get to stay alive because a few ignorant players believe anything anyone says on this site where you manipulate and lie.

[Tchill13]

You're full of it maki. You just don't want me to flip like your two other buddies.

[Tchill13]

Maki is as awful as tora this game.

[Tchill13]

You can ignore me all you want. At least I'm trying. I like the tactic to discredit me that's pretty smooth. The problem is tora's play is terrible here if he was to actually be town. It's not just terrible. It might be the worst town game I've ever seen on site if he's town.

Outed masonry day 1 "to Lynch screen". Well that's just not true considering his play.

Flipped his read on just about every player twice.

If he is masons he came in aggressively trying to control the game but his partner believes masons should only comment on ideas. So they're obviously not working together or showing cohesiveness.

"Tchill broke the game" votes tchill for 3 posts then finds a reason to vote someone else.

Pushed the UC wagon and I'm pretty sure the case against UC was about UC not wanting ppl to talk about pot. What kinda case is that?

Instead of resolving the issue of the masonry claim he'd rather Lynch anyone than the other 2 players in the middle of it. Screen and tchill. This guy is doing everything he can NOT to Lynch screen or tchill. I'm not asking him to Lynch his Mason partner. I'm asking him to Lynch a player that could be his scum partner by pre flip association. So why so reluctant to vote screen? Is he scared of the flip? Pre flips are bad and I broke the game right? So why so reluctant to vote me? Is he scared of the flip? He does know I'm town. It's because he's scum. If you'll look back and see all 3 scum are making the same exact and ONLY case against me they can. I'm stupid town.... ALL 3 of them are saying that. Over and over. Wonder why that is?

If anything at all.... It should be the biggest red flag ever that he said he outed to Lynch screen. He was totally down for the screen Lynch when little to no votes where on him. Now that it's a real possibility he will not vote there. At all. He knows if screen flips red and neither maki or tora die tonight it's over. Which is exactly the situation I'd like to play out.

This isn't tunneling. I'm just more active. I also won't give up on obv scum. Tora you've yet to present any indication on why you're town. You're "best" post. The love letter to me a while back.... That was just AtE. That's all that crap was. If you want to say I'm tunneling this "idea" or whatever then fine fine. You can't tell me there isn't a reason for me to pursue this though.

Worst town game I've ever seen

Lurker Mason

Player caught by association that the assocatiove refuses to vote.

Why shouldn't I think this is the scum team?

[Tchill13]

VOTE: Innocent
screen is the best info lynch but I think 1 of these 2 is scum but not both given interactions

"screens the best information Lynch" votes the only other solid player in the game.

[Tchill13]

How about you tell us why he is. You just said it's a solid info Lynch and you had him in a 1 of 2.

[Tchill13]

I'll be waiting Havo

Yegh you're full of crap. Both masons now believe screen is an optimal Lynch but refuse to vote him

[Tchill13]

Screen need an answer as to why you decided to put yourself in time out. Then hammered to get out of it.

[Tchill13]

Poe on day 1 is laughable but whatever.

[Tchill13]

Towns gotten apathetic, the game is clogged up, everyone believes the Mason claim. Shame yall are still gonna lose tora, maki and screenplay.

[Tchill13]

Lmao. Smdh. Hey tora. You're playing the SECOND worst town game I've ever seen. Beef just took the lead.

[Tchill13]

Tchill, Havo, masons work together. Scum is in the rest of the pool. Dave, Dunn, beef, screen prob have the best chance of flipping scum.

If masons are still alive tomorrow, mass claim. I doubt we have more than masons and doc.

I'd be down if it was for the reluctance to Lynch screen after showing that they wanted to Lynch screen.

[Tchill13]

Beef is stupid town. For sure. Tora maki screen is still the scum team.

[Tchill13]

If town gets lynched today and no mason dies night two then we mass claim day three. Should be obv at that point if masons are legit or not.

Seems reasonable on the surface, but what do we gain from that, and at what cost?

Scum will just fake claim to manipulate the town into mislynching the masons. I personally think this plan of attack gains us nothing and paints too many targets on the backs of other PRs that might be out there.

I'm torn between IAI and Tchill, but considering one is a half policy lynch, I'll go with the other.

VOTE: IAI

This guy just said scum will fake claim to get the masons lynched when scum fake claimed Mason lmao.

[Tchill13]

I've never seen town go so far out of their way to not Lynch a burden lol.

[Tchill13]

Man it'd be something if me, maki and tora were the actual scum team wouldn't it?

[Tchill13]

I'm accusing you of being terrible scum. So terrible you can't replicate a feasible town game. At least for this game.

[Tchill13]

my narrative is i want either you or me lynched and i knew that statement would put votes on me.

[Tchill13]

I’m nit an info lynch.
I think Tchill13 is trolling now.
And there is definitely more value lynching him than me.

His lol post about being scum with the masons put me off.
He is going to continue to create winfom. Gave him plenty of time to engage and consider other possibilities but he continues with his narrative.

why did you put yourself in timeout so all you could do was hammer to get out of it?

[Tchill13]

I'm accusing you of being terrible scum. So terrible you can't replicate a feasible town game. At least for this game.

that's not what you said at all

you slipped

vote: tchill

I’m nit an info lynch.
I think Tchill13 is trolling now.
And there is definitely more value lynching him than me.

His lol post about being scum with the masons put me off.
He is going to continue to create winfom. Gave him plenty of time to engage and consider other possibilities but he continues with his narrative.

remember what i said about scum making the easy "im town" plays?

[Tchill13]

LIES

[Tchill13]

@IaI
That’s all you remember because that’s all I posted after.
I said I was done with the day. No more posting.

You have made me more confident you are scum with your recent posts. You have just shade thrown and third to discredit others. I don’t see you trying to validate yourself.

you said you were done with the day. your UC scum read was PoE from Tora's thought process. PoE day 1 is laughable.

[Tchill13]

we can talk about that after the night phase. if in fact screen gets lynched.

[Tchill13]

@IAI in all seriousness do you see why i think screen and the masons are connected? its a stretch sure but the way maki and tora have played kinda solidified it for me.

i've been weighing the possibility of screen being scum without those two or vice versa.

i think it's much more likely all three are scum. just look at the hesitation to vote screen from those 2. i dont understand that. or the hesitation to vote the town burden who broke the game.

so many plays from maki/tora dont make sense.

Screen's iso is fluff. no scum hunting. terrible way to go about hammering (i would have not asked for a claim on pg 2 but pg 40ish... you ask for a claim)

then screen's attitude about maki and tora. asking for their help on wagons, voicing the tchill town idiot read.... too many things point to them all being scum.

[Tchill13]

Odd's post I quoted points to screen town odd scum. Look at the buddying toranaga has done to me after he attacked me for putting someone at L -1. Making sure to let everyone know he thinks I'm town despite my play. Making sure that everyone knows I'm the worst player know site but it's OK because toranaga understands how terrible I am based off one game alone and all the post games I've ever been in... At the same time. Like seriously. Toranaga is scum and I'll vote screen and he'll flip town if that's what it takes for me to show yall.

just putting this here

yes sir. good point. i never thought odd and screen could have beenon the same time till now. was sure i would have to address this. glad it was TORANAGA of ALL PEOPLE that brought it up.

and here's this for when its brought up again. i just simply didnt think of the scenario. didnt hit me until i iso'ed odd for a mason crumb.

VOTE: srceenplay

Is this an RVS vote?

Either way this isn’t. VOTE: screenplay

UNVOTE:

Screen looks a townier to me now. I was a little thrown by how…weird (at least to me) his reactions seemed, but his later posts seem more natural for town defending himself. (45, 52).

I can maybe see the value of Tchill putting pressure on screenplay, even though I don't like the move to put screen at L-1. I'm not townreading him for it mind, but I don't actually think it's the worst vote on that wagon, plus I agree with Jordaxq's 57.

On the other hand I really don't like Havo so far. I actually do think his vote is the worst on the screenplay wagon (mind you, this was a wagon made up mostly of naked votes so I feel kinda spoiled for choice here). But what really hurts is that his next set of posts have one (joking?) asking for a quicklynch and two more posts without anything really game advancing.

VOTE: Havo

screen, toranaga, maki is the scum team.

Official Vote Count

Srceenplay

(4): davesaz, wavemode, Dunnstral, oddmusic

I Am Innocent

(1): Havo

Maki Harukawa

(1): HeWhoSwims

Tchill13

(1): UC Voyager

HeWhoSwims

(1): Srceenplay

Not Voting

(5): I Am Innocent, Jodaxq, Maki Harukawa, Tchill13, Beefster

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-12-25 15:43:05)

Official Vote Count

Srceenplay

(5): davesaz, wavemode, Dunnstral, Havo, Tchill13

Tchill13

(3): UC Voyager, Srceenplay, Beefster

wavemode

(1): Maki Harukawa

Maki Harukawa

(1): HeWhoSwims

Havo

(1): oddmusic

Not Voting

(2): I Am Innocent, Jodaxq

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-12-25 15:43:11)

notice how odd jumped off when the wagon grew to a substantial size.

notice how odd jumped off when the wagon grew to a substantial size.

Because he realized he was wrong. Geez. Context. Use it.

OR odd distanced from his scum buddy early and freaked out then jumped off.

VOTE: screen play L-1

UNVOTE:

Screen looks a townier to me now. I was a little thrown by how…weird (at least to me) his reactions seemed, but his later posts seem more natural for town defending himself. (45, 52).

I can maybe see the value of Tchill putting pressure on screenplay, even though I don't like the move to put screen at L-1. I'm not townreading him for it mind, but I don't actually think it's the worst vote on that wagon, plus I agree with Jordaxq's 57.

On the other hand I really don't like Havo so far. I actually do think his vote is the worst on the screenplay wagon (mind you, this was a wagon made up mostly of naked votes so I feel kinda spoiled for choice here). But what really hurts is that his next set of posts have one (joking?) asking for a quicklynch and two more posts without anything really game advancing.

VOTE: Havo

Odd is the FIRST to unvote. All we can take from this for certain is that Odd didn't want screen lynched. For what reason we can not be sure. I believe he voted his scum partner to distance early then took it off so his scum partner wasn't lynched. Tor and Maki have been dealing with me the same way for two thirds of the game. "tchill is crazy" thats all theyve said. its worked.

search.php?keywords=masons%28mason%29&t ... sf=msgonly

there have been 17 mini normals on site with pre determined masons.

ok thats my case on the scum team. basically its a death sentence if scum claim mason day 1. Well folks maki and tor are crazy enough to do it. thankfully odd attempted to distance early. theres your scum team.

[Tchill13]

How do you jump from 23 66 to pinpointing the scumteam in 940?

Odd jumping off the srceenwagon could be because uh, maybe he is town that doesn't want someone to be lolhammered just for fun without any discussion? Only thing that bugs me is that his srceenplay vote isn't an RVS vote which he says in 22.

I think the reasons you listed are not enough to warrant a gamewide accepted scumteam of Srceen/Maki/Tora. You are tunnelling way too much for me.

I don't want a game wide acceptance. Just for people to acknowledge the possibility and the likelihood of it. Once screen flips red we can discuss it more.

[Tchill13]

I understand it's suicide to claim masons day 1. Imo it's suicide either way correct? If you're scum you'll be caught. If you're town you'll be NK'D. So why do it at all? Because scum would be too stupid to do it so nobody would see that coming.

[Tchill13]

It's not odd to you that the guy that said this wasn't an rvs vote was also the first guy to remove his vote?

[Tchill13]

I understand it's suicide to claim masons day 1. Imo it's suicide either way correct? If you're scum you'll be caught. If you're town you'll be NK'D. So why do it at all? Because scum would be too stupid to do it so nobody would see that coming.

IAI. Tora has already acknowledged there was no reason he claimed. He literally claimed just to claim.

[Tchill13]

I jump because screen is associative scum with toranaga. If that's true then maki and toranaga are both scum also.

[Tchill13]

So you think the Mason's claim is false too screen?

[Tchill13]

AtE

[Tchill13]

i dont think i started my case against yall until the mason claim so...

[Tchill13]

VOTE: screenplay

i hope tora's vote counts because it seems to me he just bolded.

[Tchill13]

Tora i would hope your town game is much better than this. i would expect more of you from what ive seen and heard. just doesnt make sense for you to play like this at all. hurting town by outing the masons for shits and giggles is quite selfish.

[Tchill13]

i dont think i started my case against yall until the mason claim so...

no you've been tunneling me since oddmusic was playing

I don't wanna talk with you anyway.

i couldnt have tunneled you while odd was playing since you replaced into his slot.

[Tchill13]

AtE...

claiming under no pressure for a real reason and sticking to it is one thing. you claimed (must have been a pretty good reason to claim imo) then went elsewhere very fast. resulting in claiming for no reason. No town motivation for that. PoE is hard. even harder day 1 so i dont buy that. you also failed to protect other PR's AND led a bad lynch. Everyone has a bad game but i'll be surprised if thats the case here.

[Tchill13]

prove it and i'll acknowledge it.

[Tchill13]

after a quick reread i was pushing beef HARD. you replaced in, took control of the game and immediately pushed me. So you pushed first technically in a way that didnt make sense. I would assume it was because i was already scum reading your slot. I dont have any remorse. accusing me of "tunneling" you early? thats a lie.

[Tchill13]

I can't believe you guys just quick hammered srceenplay.

the town idiot is capable of anything. you really shouldnt be shocked im this terrible.

[Tchill13]

Well just gonna say I was wrong and apologize. Not gonna blame it on one thing in particular.

[Tchill13]

Official Vote Count

UC Voyager

(7): wavemode, Toranaga, I Am Innocent, Maki Harukawa, Havo, davesaz, Srceenplay -

LYNCHED

Srceenplay

(3): UC Voyager, HeWhoSwims, Tchill13

Tchill13

(2): Dunnstral, Beefster

wavemode

(1): Jodaxq

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

A lynch has been achieved.

One of if not two scum are in wave mode, IAI, havo or Dave.

Personally I think havo is the most town due to his persistence with the screen wagon and solving that event as soon as possible. I'm pretty sure IAI was buddying me early I think he's most likely to be scum.

[Tchill13]

Well just gonna say I was wrong and apologize. Not gonna blame it on one thing in particular.

You quicklynched my inno who I told you multiple times to stop tunneling

Now our lynch pool is the previously mentioned, IAI is most probable scum

I was wrong. So sorry. Had you come out and claimed then I would have stopped. Not sure why you claimed your night actions so soon. Literally doesn't help us at all.

[Tchill13]

I'm a 2 shot gunsmith

n1 srceenplay had no gun

n2 maki had no gun

Do I get paranoid and come up with crazy scenarios that fit? Sometimes. Is it odd to me you investigated the ppl that have already flipped? Yes that is odd.

[Tchill13]

Well to be fair I made it obvious I would Lynch at the first opportunity. Hindsight is 20/20. So from my perspective we have tora conf town, Dunn as pretty sure town (timing of claim and actions claimed are suspicious), havo town lean.

As ironic as this is I'm working with toranaga first and foremost. Shouldn't be an issue if we can both admit our mistakes like we have. So tora I'd suggest we work together here to try and recover the game. IAI and wave mode are probably my most suspicious. After the screen flip I was suspicious of Dunn but due to his claim and the way he played the end of the day I'm willing to disregard that for now.

[Tchill13]

I understand beef but I'm town I swear. Obviously left alive for the mislynch. Now that beef has claimed a pr.... With 2 other PR's and 2 masons.... A pr claim DOES NOT clear you in my book. Sorry. I'm willing to give Dunn the benefit of the doubt atm.

[Tchill13]

We're talking 3 PR's.... A Mason group. If it IS multiball it's alternating kills so I'm thinking it's single with very strong scum PR'S.

Personally I'm just gonna play as if the game started today despite a few things such as VCS, Crumbing... Etc.

[Tchill13]

I want tchill to hardclaim first

VT. Still catching up

[Tchill13]

Tora. Do you think IAI or Dunn has a better chance of being scum here?

[Tchill13]

Official Vote Count

UC Voyager

(7): wavemode, Toranaga, I Am Innocent, Maki Harukawa, Havo, davesaz, Srceenplay -

LYNCHED

Srceenplay

(3): UC Voyager, HeWhoSwims, Tchill13

Tchill13

(2): Dunnstral, Beefster

wavemode

(1): Jodaxq

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

A lynch has been achieved.

I'd like to vote on the UC wagon today.

Notice how Dunn and beef are BOTH on me. I think that points to them both being town. I was thinking they might be scum defending themselves due to PR claims but I doubt 2 scum would be on one player by themselves.

[Tchill13]

Official Vote Count

Srceenplay

(6): Havo, HeWhoSwims, I Am Innocent, Maki Harukawa, Toranaga, Tchill13

Tchill13

(3): davesaz, wavemode, Srceenplay

I Am Innocent

(2): Dunnstral, Beefster

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-01-03 12:52:20)

A Lynch has occurred

Well... IAI was on BOTH lynches.

[Tchill13]

So was havo lol.

[Tchill13]

Official Vote Count

Srceenplay

(6): Havo, HeWhoSwims, I Am Innocent, Maki Harukawa, Toranaga, Tchill13

Tchill13

(3): davesaz, wavemode, Srceenplay

I Am Innocent

(2): Dunnstral, Beefster

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-01-03 12:52:20)

A Lynch has occurred

Well... IAI was on BOTH lynches.

So we’re the masons they must be scum too

That's a bad argument. They're conf town you're not.

[Tchill13]

How exactly was UC suspicious? That was a horrible Lynch.

[Tchill13]

The first reason was very stupid. I believe tora brought it up and that just reaffirmed my position on other things.

Either way there was nothing that separated ucv from the pack. His play to wave mode was similar, even Dave.

[Tchill13]

Not even arguing. I simply stated I wanted to Lynch on the UC wagon and you and havo were on both wagons. Never said that's WHY you were scum. Just stated the fact. Why is that a bad argument anyways? Just so ik your opinion.

[Tchill13]

What separated uc from wave mode day 1 since you voted uc?

[Tchill13]

Not giving Dave a pass. As I said my Lynch list from the UC wagon would be IAI, then Dave or wave mode and havo last.

[Tchill13]

Notice how he didn't differentiate wave mode from uc.

[Tchill13]

Even though I don't like the fact Dunn claimed just so he could point out his bread crumbs (we got no other additional information from his claim than he's town)... I'm gonna believe the claim. So Dunn and tora are the opinions I'm most concerned with.

[Tchill13]

Well assuming I'm town from your perspective Dunn... Me, screen tora and maki polluted the thread. So we know scum lurked day 2 at least. I would almost like to Lynch wave mode over IAI more at this point due to IAI wagon kind of popping up sort of quickly.

[Tchill13]

I understand the reasoning for the claim since your two shot. I just hate we didn't get additional information.

[Tchill13]

Official Vote Count

I Am Innocent

(3): Srceenplay, Dunnstral, Beefster

Tchill13

(3): davesaz, wavemode, Tchill13

Srceenplay

(2): Havo, HeWhoSwims

Havo

(1): Maki Harukawa

Not Voting

(2): I Am Innocent, Toranaga

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-01-03 12:52:00)

Dave and wave mode are the smartest players in the game atm.

That was referring to them willing to resolve the situation by either voting me or screen.

[Tchill13]

Zero chance masons claim day 1 just for shots and giggles too... It happened

[Tchill13]

I'm cool with a wave mode flip. I feel better about beef being town after that.

[Tchill13]

I think wavemode, IAI, hewhoswims, Dave probably has your whole scum team in it.

[Tchill13]

And if I had three shots he who swims would be the one I wouldn't shoot.

[Tchill13]

Dave's meta with his last scum game I participated in lines up. He's playing the same exact way as he did last time I played with him and he was scum. Flat out lurks. Only asks questions when he doesn't.

IAI didn't come off well to me based off his interactions with my wagon analysis.

Wavemodes iso speaks for itself.

Hewhoswims could have buddied me early. I think this is a great Lynch pool though.

[Tchill13]

Zero chance masons claim day 1 just for shots and giggles too... It happened

I’ve seen masons panic D1 before and claim, so no, that’s not true.

It is true because tora specifically said he did it to lighten the game up for himself.

[Tchill13]

OMGUS

[Tchill13]

A Dave or wave mode Lynch flips scum Imo. Those are the 2 I'm most sure of. IAI, hewhoswims and havo have a chance to but I'm more confident about Dave and wave mode.

I'd appreciate tora, Dunns and beefs thoughts here.

[Tchill13]

I thought about giving you a second chance after I called you out for your play early but your "questioning" simply disappeared and all you've done is lurked.

[Tchill13]

Well at least I was actively giving effort and pursuing an avenue I thought to be true. apparently there's been nothing worth commenting on for quite a while. That's a weak excuse.

[Tchill13]

I just didn't weigh the odds of the likelihood of what I was pursuing to be true. My stances were reaffirmed constantly based on people's play that I couldn't imagine coming from town. I was obviously wrong about that.

I don't think I'm wrong about you being scum. You've brought absolutely nothing to the table and played exactly how you did the last time I saw you as scum.

[Tchill13]

After everyone claims.

I will solve this game.

Scum team =

Wave/IAI/Dave

I'd say it's solid.

[Tchill13]

Good break down. I agree with it.

[Tchill13]

Only thing I don't like about Dunn is a lack of new information. He claimed just to clear himself.

[Tchill13]

OK so day 2 I was determined you, maki, screen were scum.

I thought the easiest explanation for jodax being the NK from that scum groups perspective is claim a vig shot jodax and the NK got messed up due to another night action which resulted in both masons living.

[Tchill13]

So why exactly can't Dave and iai be scum together? A day 1 push? Either way i think we have the right Lynch pool

[Tchill13]

Well I personally think Dave should be the first Lynch.

[Tchill13]

Well when you said you claimed masons day 1 early because you were bored... That's not contributing to a winnable game but we can save that for later. We should lynch Dave.

[Tchill13]

Doesn't matter rn.

Beef and wave need to talk about lynching Dave.

[Tchill13]

I understand it's suicide to claim masons day 1. Imo it's suicide either way correct? If you're scum you'll be caught. If you're town you'll be NK'D. So why do it at all? Because scum would be too stupid to do it so nobody would see that coming.

I was trying to make the game bearable for myself but the only things I did was upsetting maki and getting even more tunneled than I already was.

Maki I'm so sorry I never discussed outing the claim with you. you're right to be upset, this game is fucking unbearable now. I respect your opinions ITG and your reads, and was thrilled to be your mason pair. just so you know.

"I was trying to make the game bearable for myself"

Anyways I'm not discussing further till post game.

@everyone else

Who should be lynched first out of wave, Dave, IAI, havo?

[Tchill13]

Tchill we convinced a player of a certain caliber wouldn't handle a claim the way he did as town... But apparently he did so I'm not even attempting to figure out if a claim is fake or real for the most part I'm just going with it.

[Tchill13]

One of beef and wave mode are probably scum, Dave is probably scum, one of havo, IAI is probably scum. That's where I stand.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: dave

[Tchill13]

I'm already sold on wave and Dave for the most part. It's dunn/iai/havo that I'm worried about but we can figure that out as we go

[Tchill13]

What long term motivation does he have to claim out if the blue? Had he not claimed he wouldn't even be under suspicion right now

[Tchill13]

Why lynch dunn over wave when we know there's a great chance either beef or wave is scum due to the neighborhood?

[Tchill13]

I'm hesitant when it comes to dunns claim but I'm not going to pursue another possible fake claim. I was as sure as I've ever been and I was wrong so... I do not wholeheartedly believe dunn but odds say beef or wave should be the lynch. I'd say wave

[Tchill13]

Yeah I'm not crazy about he who swims pushing me. He's the one who could have been buddying me early. I'm still on the Dave or wave lynch.

Odds say Dave or beef flips scum.

[Tchill13]

Dunn/hewhoswims/(wave or beef)

Or

Dave/iai, havo/(wave or beef)

[Tchill13]

From my understanding if you think beef is town then wave should pretty much be lock scum.