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seriously wouldn't expect anything else from dunker lolIn post 161, Dunkerdoodles wrote:boon can have a slight slight slight scumlean for not townreading me yet-
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fake as hell. lots of effort early. Big post for town points...In post 129, Archwing wrote:
It was never a scumread. It was a push on you since we were both online at the same time, and I was having some fun with what you were saying. You softclaimed 3 different things, one of which was "maybe' mafia. I honestly never had a legitimate scumread on you. You can interpret that as lying, but I said what I said as a replacement to RVS. I admitted that I thought you aren't scum, which I still stand by. I don't really understand what half answers and deflection you're talking about, but let me clear this up for you:In post 100, Espeonage wrote:Ok serious vote now seeing as there's enough people in thread for it to not have been circumstantial.
Vote: Archwing
The backtrack on the scumread on me and subsequent denial is a scum that got caught completely off guard, fucked up and then didn't want to admit they were wrong. I pushed really hard with my questioning to see if they were just confused or actually messed it up, but the constant lying and deflection and half answers leads me to believe it is scum.
I also don't like Jay, but that's really weak.
Uzi and Smart can go townpool for the moment.
I am not scum.
I do not think you are scum.
If I have not answered anything else you want me to, let me know.
As for the rest of you...
scumleans on Una and Whymaf. (serious)
null on everyone else until they post more. slight townlean on elsa.
smart is town.
VOTE: archwing-
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i think its cool that espionage thinks he can solve the game super early. Now i have two things to be excited about... The player lists and the black hole that will form from the combined egos of espionage and flavor leaf being so dense it collapses our very own sun that keeps us warm... should be fun to watch.-
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catching up rn. Why shouldn't espe be the first lynch? the longer he's around the longer we waste time because he can't get to lylo as a miller.In post 231, Espeonage wrote:Fully serious post because I want to transition in to really getting this shit going and I want to be a real up in your face dick.
My actual role is known to I suspect somewhere between 3 and 6 players so I may as well open up. I thought about flat claiming neighbour with smart but it would just confuse people now.
I am a miller
I do not want to be around at lylo. I want to be either Vig killed N2-N4 or lynched day 2 or 3. We should not decide which. UNLESS people deign to keep me alive which I really kinda don't want for wifom. But I have a sneaky suspicion that experienced mafia will be trying to buddy me and keep me around idk.
I don't want my alignment to get in the way. I would like people to assume I am town now, flip me later. And actually pay attention.
I do want people to question my reads and rip my cases to shreds
I don't want people to waste time trying to push a lynch through on me before I feel solid on a last will and testament which will not be today
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lolIn post 292, Flavor Leaf wrote:
@Quick - If you are a vig again this game, shoot the Miller.In post 290, Something_Smart wrote:
Since it's now outright stated, yes, I fully believe you to be a town miller.In post 287, Espeonage wrote:- As in, do you still claim to know my alignment and role.-
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ok i'm not really worried about flavor rn. His game is easily sorted after a few day phases mainly because he's too good as town to be consistently wrong. Espeonage i have no familiarity with. His miller claim has no long term benefit as scum.... Unless scum have an RB and he banks on getting Vig'd instead of lynched. then all of a sudden the miller is in lylo because the vig didn't work... so yeah with my experience on site Miller is lynched day 1. disappointing because i already felt the gravity caving in on itself but that back and forth is confusing.-
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miller is anti town is it not? there is possible long term scum play motivation here which i already explained. A vig shot doesn't need to be wasted on a miller. Miller should be lynched day 1. As long as espeonage is in the game we will need to kill him "at a later date" which will only keep town from progressing to the point they need to be to win the game.-
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Yeah and if you have a list of players to kill that don't include scum you kill them as fast as possible to direct the attention towards lynching scum. As long as you're in the game it's an extra kill we'll have to make before we can completely focus on scum hunting. Besides you could be fake claiming. Saying you should be vig'd. Then getting to lylo by having a scum protective. So town waste vig shots and never lynches you. That's the Long term scum motivation in your claim.In post 390, Espeonage wrote:
No you claim Miller day 1 so you die before lylo.In post 383, Tchill13 wrote:Not sure why I thought town would do the smart thing and Lynch the Miller claim... That's literally why you claim Miller D1. Whatever.-
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saved for later use.In post 419, JaydragonKing wrote:I still think we should just hang Archie to get him out of the way now, honestly. If Espeonage is literally volunteering for death tommorow, I'm inclined to agree and say they have town's interest at heart. Noob or not, I'm following my gut.
Besides, he went out of his way to threaten my in-game life. I will not move my vote from him.
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well this is the thing. idc if he volunteers tomorrow. things happen between now and tomorrow. things that can keep him from getting lynched. thats the beauty of mafia. thats why scum do what they can to survive "just one more day". anything can happen between now and tomorrow. From espeonage's pov anything that can keep him from getting lynched is what he's hoping for. Rest assured he'll repeat he's willing to FOR SURE be lynched tomorrow... key word tomorrow.-
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ok... once again... If i'm scum i say im miller day 1.
"day 2 you can lynch me....oh well if there's a vig he can just shoot me instead. vig shoot me N2 lets lynch so and so he's scum for sure."
D3 " guess there's no vig lets lynch me... oh this thing happened? well now we have to lynch so and so. lynch me tomorrow."
and so on and so on until lylo. If he's scum. If he's town we're getting rid of a negative town utility early asap. he's the lynch. sorry not sorry.-
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all ik from his play is he definitely doesnt want to get lynched day 1. which if he's town doesn't make sense because we're getting rid of something thats a hindrance to town day 1. How does this not make sense to you people?In post 426, Something_Smart wrote:
you make it sound like he didn't expect people to want to policy him when he claimed miller.In post 425, Tchill13 wrote:From espeonage's pov anything that can keep him from getting lynched is what he's hoping for.
if we wanted to keep from getting lynched, he could have NOT CLAIMED MILLER.-
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he'd do that because if not for me nobody would even be questioning. so IF he's scum it would have worked like he wanted.In post 434, Something_Smart wrote:And you keep framing it as though he's trying to worm his way out of a difficult situation. If scum, he got himself into that situation in the first place. Why would he do that, especially when his softclaim was generally well received?-
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If I have a "must kill before lylo" list then at some point I'll have to deal with it. Sooner is always better than later in mafia.In post 445, Something_Smart wrote:Why is town in a worse position to lynch scum while Espe is alive?-
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i dont agree with your first point. in terms of the miller role specifically sure. he could still be scum and an investigative wouldnt help us due to his claim. as for "X and Y"... if we lynch a townie day one neither x or y is accomplished. so guarantee me we lynch scum day one and i'll agree with you.... You can't. you can't guarantee that.-
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a townie with a negative personality can be overlooked and just plain simply written off as town. A townie with a negative effect on my capability of lynching scum (in the form of a utility)... they gotta go. No reason to lynch a townie based on personality alone. ever. That's a bad argument.In post 467, JaydragonKing wrote:Archie is giving me even more reason to not move my vote now.
If you want to Lynch me, take your vote off of Espeonage and fully commit. Right now, your just trying to set me up for a day 2 Lynch without even contributing to the conversation about Espeonage. You don't care about the Espeonage Lynch despite your vote being on him and that's bullshit.
I've made mistakes, but I'm still learning the game. Even if Activity is Nai, I'm happier that Aristophanes is contributing more. I asked for the setup because I thought it was possible in normal forum games that the mod have out the possible roles beforehand. I was clearly wrong on that front, but now I know for future games. I joke around in some posts because I like jokes.
Tchill, and everyone else here for that matter, listen to me.
What is it you'd rather have here on day two? A townie with a Negative Utility? Or a townie with a Negative Personality?-
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that second line applies more so to the claimed miller than anyone else rn.In post 480, JaydragonKing wrote:It sounds like a stupid idea, but that will be your choice.
My reasoning for going after Arch may be stupid, but they are my reasons. I want to help town. Maybe me dying will help by eliminating my slot, but not as much as me being alive benefits town in the long run.
I can't give you anything that I haven't already said that will change your mind. I don't have any actual evidence yet, but Archwing is not trustworthy. My point on him being so hung up on me yet keeping his vote on Espeonage still stands. Accusing Uzi too doesn't help his situation-
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So let me get this straight. The people that want to Lynch the Miller claim day 1 because it's a sure fire way to get something that works against town?... Then there's the pointless multiball disusssion that doesn't matter until flips prves it is or isn't multiball... The beauty of a Miller quick lynch is we don't talk circles into lynching someone else. I'd rather have a quick lynch on D1 every time because it's our least information day phase. Either way it blows my mind we refuse to Lynch someone that can't make it to lylo. He's literally the only player we have enough proof RIGHT NOW to know he absolutely CAN NOT make it to lylo but hey what do I know?-
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I see no reason to poke or prod with a viable Lynch. I've gotten enough info on all the player base except aristo. Those that haven't posted much today are usually low content anyway. I don't getstronge TR's until day 2 or 3. Just another game that people have proven day 1's are for scum to set the table on who to keep alive and who to kill. Day 1's ARE NOT for solving the WHOLE game. Scum benefit from long day 1s. Scum benefit from keeping a Miller alive. I don't know who scum is yet but ik who could be a Miller which is an asset for scum to use. I can't Lynch the claimed Miller by myself.-
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As far as actual scum Archie and jaydragonking are leading the way. Something smart and una can be town for now. They're actually having a discussion that would help catch scum unlike the rest of the player base. We will always have to worry about the Miller claim though. You can't guarantee he's town now. There's no way to. That's my issue. We're more likely to lynch town D1 than scum. I don't understand risking the Lynch of a helpful townie mechanically versus a sure fire Lynch that would eliminate a role scum mechanically benefit from. There's no reason to risk that.-
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You shouldn't have said this. It's looking like I'm not gonna have my way and Lynch espionage anyways. He's in no danger yet.In post 543, UnaBombaH wrote:I'm not sure how to communicate this to everyone, but I sort of..know..we shouldn't lynch Esp D1.
I do not claim power (yet), but I just feel like it's obvious..-
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Nothing to say about this SS?In post 547, Tchill13 wrote:So far Everyone else threatens to be a CONFIRMABLE existence of town or scum. You really want to argue technicalities?-
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