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I'll take that!In post 19, UnaBombaH wrote:Also: my username is a reference to Phil Laak, not the terrorist.
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In post 36, Havo wrote: I’m 0 for 14 at drawing scum. It’s damn ridiculous.
you're probably not the worst gamble in that case if we are doing it that way.In post 38, Havo wrote:*** DISCLAIMER ***
Just an FYI for you peoples.
I HATE day 1’s. If ANYONE gets to L-1 in the first few days, I will absolutely hammer them without giving them a chance to claim. Faster than you can believe. Unless I hard TR them. Which on Day 1 is very rare. In order to get to night one and get the game rolling.
Don’t expect extensive read lists from me on Day 1 either. If someone scum pings me I’ll definitely go after them but other than that I see Day 1’s as a crapshoot.
If you guys don’t like this play style then feel free to lynch me and I’ll move on to the next signups.-
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I’m still pretty new to the site and I am used to playing mafia in the style of that disclaimer post where we just vote and someone dies, you get a bit of info and occasionally a lucky scum lynch but mainly it’s just a write offIn post 50, Lycanfire wrote:Profii: how do you perceive day 1s?
However I know you regular guys are keen to scum hunt on day one despite the lack of information so I’m keen to practice that skill but I will be rubbish at it - it seems to be worth doing but I think we are still just about in RVS land so far, hopefully not for long-
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I think id say day 1 scum hunting is a tool and has its place at the right job but that’s not every gameIn post 58, Chumba wrote:
Nah don’t learn bad behaviors. You do you.In post 57, profii wrote:However I know you regular guys are keen to scum hunt on day one despite the lack of information so I’m keen to practice that skill but I will be rubbish at it
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logically, scum know their team so they know who to avoid. Town know literally nothing at the start of the game so I’d say the complete opposite of that is true and be wary of whoever said itIn post 73, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
i townread this, i guess i kinda agree with it but not to the extent of this. like, i like getting things moving but not hammer without reason. if that makes sense.In post 38, Havo wrote:*** DISCLAIMER ***
Just an FYI for you peoples.
I HATE day 1’s. If ANYONE gets to L-1 in the first few days, I will absolutely hammer them without giving them a chance to claim. Faster than you can believe. Unless I hard TR them. Which on Day 1 is very rare. In order to get to night one and get the game rolling.
Don’t expect extensive read lists from me on Day 1 either. If someone scum pings me I’ll definitely go after them but other than that I see Day 1’s as a crapshoot.
If you guys don’t like this play style then feel free to lynch me and I’ll move on to the next signups.
there are things you can watch out for though that could be really beneficial, and i heard someone say day 1s are the easiest day to catch scum, im not sure if i totally agree but yeah-
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I think as soon as a few people start asking any questions the game naturally moves out of RVS so the last votes where people revert back and go because rAnDoM could be the ones to note. Also I suppose you could say the first people to ask questions and move it along are helpingIn post 96, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, I kinda agree with this
and I also hate his "hey guys we are still in RVS" but I feel like we are kinda out. Like there is a semi-serious wagon on Serg. I do get the whole "he's scummy regardless of alignment!" thing but I'm not really sold that Fykus over scummy ppl like Serg/Mor/Lycan and TC depending on how I feel.In post 88, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
hmm this kinda feels like a stretch cause its only like page 4In post 82, Fykus wrote:VOTE: randomidget for when they get here. Also i find it highly probable scum is in the haven't posteds
VOTE: fykus for now
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Do you understand the anime(?) references and are saying they’re scummy or are we looking at 2 posters talking gibberrish and calling it scummy here?In post 72, Nero Cain wrote:full disclosure here but I'm pretty tunneled visioned by this point but I cannot help but look at this and see scum theatre
In post 70, Sergtacos wrote:
very true, alright lets not lynch golden frieza hereIn post 66, Morality wrote:
But everyone listens to Goku and goku would insist they give Frieza a chance. #caughtupIn post 63, Sergtacos wrote:
then we might have to lynch you if you claim golden frieza, actually as a claimed goku, i would let you stay but its up to everyone else thoughIn post 51, Morality wrote:Can I be a claimed golden frieza?
(if ur actually scum omfg xD)
I’m a bit lost with what they are saying so kinda ignored it first time round-
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Well, perhaps if I...In post 60, Chumba wrote:Who is light oragami or whatever
VOTE: Morality
He might fold under pressure!
But really, I don’t like 44-
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everyone will naturally stretch on day 1, it's not scummyIn post 112, Morality wrote:I literally made like two actual posts prior to this page, so anyone pushing that as scum is scummy as hell and really stretching. I don’t like early games.
@Unah - you made a comment that i don’t think any of them will understand due to everyone e else but you is unaware, I believe. I don’t care if it’s aware, but yeah. Nobody is, I believe.-
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Quickly checking in I’ll pick up on some specific observations later when I have more time.
My first impression of day 2 is that everyone seems to have focussed on the boon-drama, this is a fairly natural thing to do I think but he was VT so although he appears to be a well regarded player on this site, I’m wary about considering he’s reads super locked on and wonder if the scum have used the natural drama focus to cast shade early
It concerns me that no one has mentioned Nero so far.
I agree some slots need to engage, so just to that effect for now
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well no you miss my point. Scum already know who is on their team so they don’t care what Boon saidIn post 274, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
boon spewed nero town so i'm not surprised he died tbhIn post 267, profii wrote:Quickly checking in I’ll pick up on some specific observations later when I have more time.
My first impression of day 2 is that everyone seems to have focussed on the boon-drama, this is a fairly natural thing to do I think but he was VT so although he appears to be a well regarded player on this site, I’m wary about considering he’s reads super locked on and wonder if the scum have used the natural drama focus to cast shade early
It concerns me that no one has mentioned Nero so far.
I agree some slots need to engage, so just to that effect for now
VOTE: eth0s
i mean i don't know why scum didn't kill me but im not complaining
speaking of which ^
i have reasons to think lycan isn't scum so he is one of my top townreads.
They could have killed one of the slots like Eth0s or midget who had 5 posts between them on day 1 and we would have woke and been like omg guys we know nothing now
They _choose_ Nero, Obviously it was day 1 so despite his PR, he knew nothing yet so his reads were as random as anyone, however I wonder if the scum looked at his posts and went
“If we kill Nero, town will think he was on to us as he had a bit of a boner for Tacos, they’ll probably lynch Tacos next”
Go read Nero’s ISO-
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I just looked and apparently randommidget hasn't posted. No idea if you want to try a prod or just go seek a replace but just to highlight.In post 1, schadd_ wrote:activity:
- You are expected to post at least once every 48 hours. If you haven't posted for 48 hours, I shall prod you. If you do not respond to the prod within 48 hours (either in thread if it's Day, or via PM during the Night) then I will replace you.
- As well, if you require more than three prods, I will force-replace you.-
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I don't think "Let's hope town don't look into how the game went" is a likely or viable strategy for scum.In post 285, Chumba wrote:
Or maybe taco is actually scum and they killed Nero hoping nobody looks into it.In post 279, profii wrote:If we kill Nero, town will think he was on to us as he had a bit of a boner for Tacos, they’ll probably lynch Tacos next”
Taco hasn’t done anything that resembles town play yet.
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Well this is WIFOM I think.
Nero was highlighting Taco as scum somewhat (to paraphrase). I think if I was scum, it would be brazen to lynch the guy I was scum-reading the previous day as the link is so obvious - I would anticipate the town spotting it and applying pressure, hence I am leaning the other way to you.
Whereas I believe you are saying, nero = threat to scum!taco, therefore must die.
The second part of my argument is that because mafia chose Nero, it creates a scenario where Taco appears scummy, but that does not prove he is scum. Therefore the real scum can manipulate us into a mislynch, personally I think that is easier for them, than trying to talk out of the obvious nero/taco link from day 1. This is also coupled with a number of stating that Taco's normal play appears scummy without their help.
What no one knows yet is which one of us has been duped. Obviously Taco is likely to be either scum or town so only one of us is right here which is the fun bit of this game
I don't think either of us will convince the other one that our theory is more compelling than our own, but that's ok. I think both theories are quite clear and it means that we should hopefully see other players pick one side or the other - this should be useful for the town later. Of course, everyone could just ignore us and move on. It would be really helpful if everyone chips in though of course.
In terms of your last sentence, It was not my intention to steer you anywhere, I am just theorising and presenting an alternative line of thought. You gave me the advice of "you be you" which someone gave me in my last game (now complete so I can reference that!) which I think is advice we are both heeding, despite the inevitable disagreements, it's not personal and we can be glad we only need a majority to lynch
Overall I think it was a cunning play by scum to target Taco but I think I have caught it. I hope I'm right!-
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Not at all, that is enough of an answer for meIn post 298, Havo wrote:
No need to point it out yet.In post 295, profii wrote:because...
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Let’s see
randommidget - ?
Fykus - concern at that rush to lynch today, but had promised further analysis
Dunker - seems to be posting in a towny manner
Tchill - you seem to have ceased your concerning efforts to buddy me
Sergtacos - town lean on the basis I think he is getting stitched up today for a mislynch
UnaBombah - town lean
Lycan - town lean
Havo - set themselves up for a free pass today, null read but concerned.
eth0s - need more content, null.
Chumba - potential involvement in stitching up of Taco so scum lean
That’s where I’m at. Feel free to query-
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In post 306, Lycanfire wrote:In my experience scum do not set up lynches with NKs, and prefer to audaciously kill the people that suspect them, especially when they have numbers to influence the town. Rarely do I say things aren't worth talking about pre-flip, but without a flip of Tacos/ someone in this conversation, this topic and speculation gained from it all lead no where.
Lycanfire - agree with post 306 in theory however, I think it is naive to assume the scum have no agenda and just blindly kill anyone who is a threat.In post 307, Lycanfire wrote:Don't see why Dunker, Havo and profii like me. Day 1 was shit, and just about everyone was shit. I may have made 1½ good posts, but Tchill's response is about par for the course. I don't like being pushed around by him, but this is reminding me of day 1 which makes me feel like this is a much better decision.
VOTE: Dunker
Race between Dunker/Tacos/Fykus/Havo/Profii to obvtown.
If this was the definitive mafia playbook we would have already insta-lynch Tacos.
I think the legitimate reason to put the 2 theories out there is when we do get the flip, we can see who was pushing for the mislynch or pushing to save a scammer depending on which way it goes so it still holds some value. Now we have got into the mechanics of it, people are more likely to sit on the fence so that’s a shame. There were tells to be had imo!
I also agree with post 307 there - although I say town lean, I didn’t think I needed to spell out that it is Day 1 and to make things super clear let’s say I had a scale where -10 was scum insta lynch, 0 was obviously null read and 10 was confirmed role by PR... given these early stages any town read isn’t going beyond 2 out of 10 or something like that.
In response to the havo queries - I caveat this by saying I’ve completed 1 game on this site and there seems to be some fairly accepted etiquette that we do a bit of RVS, then we get to L-1, followed by intent to hammer, closing arguments etc and then we do the deed if we think it’s the way to go etc.
The reason I caveat that with “I’m new here” is because I’m not sure how strict that etiquette is- particularly around day 1. On the one hand I don’t like day 1 as much as anyone and it was certainly one way to transparently move the game along.
On the other hand if you read it with a scum narrative the post says to me, there is a low likelyhood that the scum will reach L-1 so I’m going to declare I’ll insta-hammer and excuse myself later with “well it was day-1!” And scum know they can lay down a safe hammer
I’m sure Lycan will file this under speculation and I would agree - the reason I went for null/concern was I think the scum scenario is plausible but I was waiting to see if you guys accepted his plan was an acceptable way to play Day 1 in which case, less concern, or if everyone was outraged at the quick hammmer then the above scenario becomes more feasible.
Chumba - stitch up - apologies that’s a bit colloquial, it basically means setting up someone else to take the fall, I.e as per my scenario where scum lynched Nero to incriminate Taco. Obviously we don’t need to go through that debate again as i understand your position but if you and Lyc think mafia just kill threats we kill Taco today right?-
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#292
Scum!taco had to go into the night chat and either say or read his mate say “Nero’s on to me, let’s kill him” “surely town will read his ISO and look for clues as to why he died” “no no no”
Scum-team!no-Taco might have said “right who is looking scummy” “a couple of people have said Taco looks scummy” “ok guys find someone who was really gunning for Taco and town will think Taco nk’d him because of the threat” “kill Nero”
Click on Nero’s iso and it’s very clear he had a strong focus on Taco.
For me the scum have to manipulate town so the latter scenario seems way more effective for them than your plan so I’m happy to stand by it-
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I’ll point out that there is also a logic that power roles should aim to play scummy enough that the scum think town will lynch them and ignore them at night
Obviously that has to be balanced with not getting yourself Day lynched but the point of the above is it absolutely contravenes your logic, Chumba
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1. You said it not me. Either Taco is lynching his biggest threat and you and Chumba should push that as a lynch. Or he is not, then you can go as far to agree with me or say I’ve found a coincidence that’s a bit unfortunate for Tacos. None of us know the answer... BUT if you believe the scenario that he killed PerceivedThreat!Nero you need to explain why no lynch imo.In post 318, Lycanfire wrote:
I don't see why.In post 311, profii wrote:If this was the definitive mafia playbook we would have already insta-lynch Tacos.
"DAE think tacos is town because I think tacos is town due to NKA" uhm, yeah, I suppose you encouraged people to in push tacos in reverse? Forgive me if your conclusion here (the rather expressive "there were tells to be had!") doesn't ring the sincerity bell.In post 311, profii wrote:I think the legitimate reason to put the 2 theories out there is when we do get the flip, we can see who was pushing for the mislynch or pushing to save a scammer depending on which way it goes so it still holds some value. Now we have got into the mechanics of it, people are more likely to sit on the fence so that’s a shame. There were tells to be had imo!
You care too much about the scum pt, get a better read on this thread instead.In post 314, profii wrote:Thoughts?
2. DAE? Sorry. I dont intend to encourage or push anything - I am merely presenting a sequence of events that logically could happen based on posts ITT. My playstyle is a lot of speculation. It is good when we have 2 scenarios like mine and Chumbas because people tend to pick a side. This can then make it difficult for them to explain if they slip - it works because when they post now they believe they are getting away with whatever they want to push. However, as I mentioned we’ve given that game away so we’ve lost some potential information. (Heaven forbid I used an exclamation mark!!)
If I just posted “not answering you, pick the scenario you feel is most probable” i don’t think it goes down well.
3. As per 2. The scenarios are based on events ITT, to get ahead of scum we have to speculate on their plan. Although we are literally a lynch mob I think it is beneficial to town to anticipate their plans.-
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perhaps scenarios is a more apt description than plans.In post 333, Chumba wrote:
I don’t have any plan. All I did was say your plan was what scum are least likely to do based on experience and the opposite is more often the case.In post 313, profii wrote:For me the scum have to manipulate town so the latter scenario seems way more effective for them than your plan so I’m happy to stand by it
Somebody else (can’t rememeb who) also supported that by saying mafia killing to frame rarely happens.
I was scum reading taco day 1 for him playing scummy. I voted him day two for the same reasons plus he still is playing scummy. My vote has absolutely nothing to do with Nero being killed but you just suggested not once but twice it has and all because I disagreed with using logic and experience
And while we are talking about theories. I’ve literally never seen anyone come into a day 2 (or any day that matter) with multiple theories of what scum would do. You came in with 2 different theories.
Just rubs me the wrong way.
I think if you read Nero’s ISO he clearly has some issue with Taco. This creates your scenario that scum killed based on threat. If you think that’s why Nero died you need to push Taco hard, you found scum
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There were more than 1 players who said Taco had a naturally scummy play style even when town, therefore scum know it could be easy to lead us to Taco lynch. Then they can pick any player who took exception to Taco and lead us there. .
I think if everyone was saying your scenario is likely, there would be something in it and I’m over analysing the scum play - this isn’t happening so I’m confident my scenario is feasible and by highlighting it I’ve made it hard for scum to lead us to a potential mislynch target they’ve lined up... if he does flip scum I need to eat humble pie in the dead thread after I get lynched but It was you that told me “you be you” and I believe in giving the scum credit to come up with a play here-
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We literally just played a game together where I did this so I should use your policy of Lynch all Liars right hereIn post 333, Chumba wrote:
And while we are talking about theories. I’ve literally never seen anyone come into a day 2 (or any day that matter) with multiple theories of what scum would do. You came in with 2 different theories.
Just rubs me the wrong way.
Further to that you I used the phrase occams razor in the above mentioned game (1976 post 313) when I was theorising that something was off in that game (which at the end I said, I knew your vig claim was BS)
I’m phone posting so will catch up proper shortly but i need to work out if you’re lying because you are trying to direct a mislynch and if so vote will follow-
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Going to start working my way backwards through the thread:
eth0s,
1.randommidget - presumably. Chumba = a derpy alt.
2. agree, although I am going to spend a bit of time on the boon reads and how people have reacted to them, ultimately he was a VT and it was day 1, they don't hold significant weight with me. I'll be more interested in people reacting/using them, as given their lack of weight, to utilise them in any significant way seems a stretch but that's without having seen the arguments.
4. On the one hand, I don't want to create a dramasphere for day 2 that becomes me vs Derpy. However, he appears to me as the sort of player who get's his way by shouting the loudest and people just end up following it which I take exception to, the game becomes derpy and his gang vs scum, whereas we are all a team and should have equal roles and it should be town vs scum. The game works better if we listen to everyone because they will propose stretched theories and it leads to scum. I'd much prefer if Derpy said 'I can see how your theory works, but I disagree with it and feel it's more likely to be xyz' whereas trying to dismiss it as not possible, becomes sketchy behaviour, however, I know this is his tact through past experience. I don't have to like it though.-
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my read of these events is the same as yours.In post 358, Chumba wrote:
Let’s talk about this theory now.In post 267, profii wrote:My first impression of day 2 is that everyone seems to have focussed on the boon-drama, this is a fairly natural thing to do I think but he was VT so although he appears to be a well regarded player on this site, I’m wary about considering he’s reads super locked on and wonder if the scum have used the natural drama focus to cast shade early
Fykus and dunkers are basically sheeping boon.
Fykus did so incorrectly, was informed he did so, yet still kept his vote.
Wouldn’t these 2 people be people trying to take advantage of the boon drama?
Dunkers as far as I can tell is just straight up sheeping boon. I don’t really see him adding anything new for tchill and tchill and I share a brain about mafia and yet again we seem to agreed with each other and he didn’t even know it was me. So tchill I’m willing to say is lock town.
I did not like where Fykus cherry picked certain boon posts and you pointed it out.
Dunkers needs to think for himself urgently, otherwise he is just using boon to say 'well he was VT and I'm sheeping therefore I'm making town posts and you shouldn't scum read me'-
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might not have been at the start of the day,but the whole idea of lynching your PR claim or Mulchs PR claim or no lynching were theories on how do we make more effective use of our PRs and get longevity out of them which is a bonus for town.In post 387, Chumba wrote:
I don’t remember you coming into the day with multiple theories. I’ll have to verify that later.In post 383, profii wrote:
We literally just played a game together where I did this so I should use your policy of Lynch all Liars right hereIn post 333, Chumba wrote:
And while we are talking about theories. I’ve literally never seen anyone come into a day 2 (or any day that matter) with multiple theories of what scum would do. You came in with 2 different theories.
Just rubs me the wrong way.
Further to that you I used the phrase occams razor in the above mentioned game (1976 post 313) when I was theorising that something was off in that game (which at the end I said, I knew your vig claim was BS)
I’m phone posting so will catch up proper shortly but i need to work out if you’re lying because you are trying to direct a mislynch and if so vote will follow
I know you play scum hunt or be scum hunted and disagree with that, so let's not let that take over this game, but the point is, I find scum hunting tricky, but I think I am good at helping the town in a non-standard way.-
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The only significant slip for me so far is Fykus cherry picking which posts he quoted. Obviously, that is an undeniable fact.In post 392, Tchill13 wrote:Scum hunting is how you win though? That's the point. Scum can't scum hunt and town can. So a lack of scum hunting is a red flag. Forcing yourself to help town in other ways is only gonna hurt town in the long run imo.
I could push the Chumba stuff all day long I'm sure, but the day will just get taken over which is negative for everyone. Given Chumba's point that he is the only one pushing Taco today, I'll take satisfaction that I've put enough doubt in the group that it _could_ be a taco frame job and therefore people are reluctant to vote or even get involved (especially as we now know it's derpy)
I could also look at Dunkers sheeping a town flip, but it becomes speculation.
I'm not sure what else there is to pick on so far.-
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Basically I’m hoping for what you posted in 402In post 400, Tchill13 wrote:So profii why talk about tacos could be framed instead of building and pushing a case on fykus?
He made an error but I don’t see a ‘case’ - I see something that needs explaining, so I’ll push for one if he posts without giving one.-
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ok so here are some of my issues
UnA - i dont like this post 281
Sure, una was RVS on morality, but i would agree with Tchill and expect at least 1 scum to be in the morality vote pile, so for the town among us, that knocks out 2 players which narrows it down. Una seemed eager to defend himself against a fairly rational statement then twice for some reason says he likes the boon reads. 281 384
dunkers - to go as far as saying there would be 2 scum in the morality lynch, seems like casting shade on a whole bunch of people at once. I know that includes me but i did not like 272
I also dont like 274 - less logical and more gut feeling, but not knowing why the scum didnt kill you? I skipped past most of your posts up to now (reading ISOs) because they were mostly irrelevant or uninteresting, so given the odds are 1 in all townies except morality it never seemed likely. Plus a "i have reasons" potential softclaim for later/good measure.
Fykus - cherry pick analysis, 245 then in 257 (& 258) promises to re-evaluate his boon sheeping and come back to us. he has some work to do. His low activity is a general concern.
I'm going to put UnaBombah on the board
VOTE: UnaBombah-
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i can admit that a bit... although I stand by what I said, I also said I am sturuggling to pin anything down last sentence of 395 so I am kinda waiting for something to happen.In post 427, UnaBombaH wrote:To bring something more to the table: I can now see profi+chill being an attempt to get todays lynchfocus on me.
Profis reasoning for voting me feels forced, and chill is acting very opportunistic.
Yet again, I'd say theres at least one scum there too.
So either Chill has been pocketed by the scummys (profi/Chuumba), or he is the scum in both interactions.
I'd say a Chill-lynch is a very good one today.
I'm also very suspicious about everyone who felt the need to heavily discredit Boons D1 reads.
To solely lean on those might not be healthy for the scumhunt, but to disregard them completely makes the value of an already short D1 even less..I got what people were asking for, and Boon helped his wagon speed down the hill himself, but to me D1's have been very valuable for gamesolving time and time again.
I think most of the day so far has been me vs Chumba so I’m waiting for it to move on a bit - I know that doesn’t help myself given you just said there is a link, despite my Taco theory, turns out no one jumped on him and otherwise there is nothing scummy about Chumba really- he says he is scum reading Taco but even he said Day 1 reads hold little weight
I am not sure heavily discrediting the boom reads is the appropriate context. I know you posted that you like to return to D1 but it’s still early in day 2 (in terms of events and discussions rather than literal time imo) so for Fykus and Dunk to really go hard on those reads is too much right now for me because it creates a hiding place
I also noted Dunks was on 2 votes and I was on 3 so I thought me voting there would make people think more about me trying to self preserve rather than look at my Scum reads so I thought that was not town-useful - where as drawing out a series of posts from you, has been.-
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I am saying to myself through this game tchill is going to be hard for me to read. The only thing I really note is a low percentage of posts are assertions that someone is scum because of something he has gone back and read, whereas a lot of posts are “what you said there is scummy”
It seems to be more discredit the player rather than provide analysis- the confusion for me is I’m agreeing with who he is discrediting. But that just gives me self-WIFOM... am I being led?-
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Lol fine
There was a suggestion on day 1 that Taco has a scummy playstyle,
Firstly, do you agree?
Secondly, can you share what he did to cause your vote and explain why?
Last one- I’ll assume you are not on board with my theory if you are voting but do you acknowledge it as a possible option or do you say 0% chance-
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What’s the issue?
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I acknowledge my theory is essentially a coin toss and I could be wrong, scum can only be pro or anti town (just played a game with a serial killer hence that phrase) but given this game is progressing fairly slowly, It’s a fair bet to meIn post 456, Tchill13 wrote:
i agree. he's just sitting back not doing anything which is probably what scum would do but i voted him instead of... lets say havo because havo actually did something day 1 where tacos didnt. your theory is possible. its also possible your getting ahead of yourself and nero died simply because he was pushing tacos.In post 446, profii wrote:Lol fine
There was a suggestion on day 1 that Taco has a scummy playstyle,
Firstly, do you agree?
Secondly, can you share what he did to cause your vote and explain why?
Last one- I’ll assume you are not on board with my theory if you are voting but do you acknowledge it as a possible option or do you say 0% chance-
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Do you mean your havo question in 308? The answer is in my post 311 but admittedly it was long winded
Succinct version:
I think what he did on D1 was a scum move that can be talked out of by just saying RVS is poop and most people will say yea true. He gave himself a ticket to hammer so if he is scum as soon as a town is L-1 ... bang.
When I said he is getting a pass, I meant I was surprised the group didn’t come down on him hard for doing it. I know he said he would but could have just measured reactions.
The other point I made was this is my 3rd game on my site - because he disregarded etiquette but stated he would - if that’s acceptable to everyone else, I’ll move him down the scum scale but I wasn’t giving him a pass. I was expecting people to grill him a bit more-
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I’ve no idea. I guess some people will say my theory. Some people will agree Day 1 is poop. Later a scum will hopefully flip and be defending one of those sides and it could be questionable which I think is where I liked Unas idea of going back to earlier days after we’ve had this discussion... right now, not as useful. But let’s say we got people saying that AND if they thought Taco was town framed or not. Then it really adds up after flips-
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I just went to look at boon, but more the votes than the reads.
Summary of events:
-Vote count= Morality 4/7 ( Una, tchill, me, lyc)
-Morality self votes (5/7)
-tchill goes to Nero Cain 4/7 after making about 8 posts, he doesn’t even acknowledge the self vote until Morality reveals he is boon.
-Chumba votes Morality (5/7) no reason
-Morality OMGUS votes Chumba (4/7)
-tchill back on Morality and finally asks about the self vote (5/7)
-Morality self votes 6/7
-Havo Hammers
For me 3.5 things happened
1. I put the original voters into shit day 1 reads or RVS. They were pre-self vote so I’m less concerned with them. By all means call me scum for justifying me being there... idc
1.5 - Chumba gets in on the Morality action after the self vote. For me, I’m only giving it .5 in the things that happened scale because Chumba saw weird stuff relating to a player he already scum read and voted. I’d say totally natural reaction here.
2.5 - tchill Ignore’s the self vote for a while, didn’t really get into the subject even when boon revealed his alt, gets off the wagon and then gets back on without really giving a reason
3.5 - havo hammers a whole 2 mins later
1. = NAI to all for me
1.5 = town points to Chumba
2.5 = scum points to tchill
3.5 = scum points to havo, but less so than tchill I suppose
VOTE: tchill13-
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Well that's the reason I can see, you've just said "thats why I did it" so I'm a bit lost. I don't care if that's all you want to say but doesn't seem helpful to town to leave it at that.In post 469, profii wrote:gets off the wagon and then gets back on without really giving a reason-
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You had actually passed prod threshold when you posted this so just to make sure you do commit to some form of follow upIn post 480, Havo wrote:Full re read coming.
VOTE: Havo
I think some content from you will let us ascertain some context over what you did on day 1.
As it stands without another contribution from yourself that post is merely a prod dodge and in this game where the pace has slowed down significantly this puts you at risk of being one of the scum players hiding
I look forward to your analysis-
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Interesting you noted that because I purposely shown some restraint for 2 reasonsIn post 490, Tchill13 wrote:It's just a thought I want people to take a side on... Profii is playing super weird imo. The activity of this game dropped like a rock and I'm not sure why... I still wouldn't mind lynching tacos.
-I think Chumba is town, so by continuing to argue with him, i know he won’t give up, so I thought I’ll probably annoy the town and they will lock their sights on either of us which is perfect for Scum. Better to be the bigger man.
-It really irritated me when you jumped in to answer on behalf of Una, I know what a pressure vote is - I purposely asked a very open ended question directed at Una because the way I read the posts 452 & 453 was they almost contradicted each other, so rather than put words in Unas mouth, if I pushed it a bit, maybe he’d clear it up or incriminate himself. So at this point I was online and could have responded to some stuff and choose not to. However you jumped in and Una dodged the whole thing.
I am not sure what to make of tchill, he doesn’t really assert anything, he infrequently provides analysis and generally doesn’t make any decisive statements with conviction, yet has one of the highest post counts. It could almost be that this is a way to appear active without really doing anything - and he hasn’t appeared in Lycan’s post so it’s worked
Could be wrong but I’m not sure what’s wrong there-
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Haha more deflection, because you haven’t made any contributions to this game you can’t simply go and point them out so instead you have to cast shade on everything else that’s going on.
My next step is to look at everyone on the Morality vote again - obviously Havo said he was just going to lynch. You have said you are just moving the day on. 2 easy ways of lynching whoever you like tbh
I know I linked to a post I found scummy when I voted and I know Una was still RVS - I’ll be checking the others but if they all found scummy reasons to vote, I’d say you or havo (or maybe even both) are our scum on the Morality wagon
About to go out so that’ll buy you some time to work out what that’s called because I don’t scum hunt-
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The remaining 2 were Lyc and Chumba
Lyc was still pretty early and before any real reasons had surfaced.
Chumba, interestingly jumped on after the Morality self vote and claimed town don’t self vote. Obviously wrong. Boom claimed by self voting he would catch a scum jumping on, maybe. The reads might be questionable but voting for the person who follows a elf vote isn’t a read...
I’m getting ok reads from Chumba so although I’m wary of the above I’m more inclined to lynch Tchill or Havo today as it stands-
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