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Lol mozamis the point was I should be the only one left with a space
Lalendra and Nero seem good so far but it's perhaps too early to give that a solid town read. Shouldn't even be that rare for scum to start out real helpful and all that.
Luca has 2 posts only towards Lalendra which I don't quite like, moz vote didn't seem to be RVS.
Yea I'm looking at something, sort of an assumption but I feel like it's beneficial to watch that for some more time. Plus if I call it out then scum won't dirty their hands in that area for the rest of the game.-
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Yeah I'm an alt. It should say in my signature but I forget turning it on.
Bujaber what is there to over simplify. I went into the game wanting to do this little investigation before any accusations or townread came my way. And I told it because I was called eager which is because I wanted everyone to talk so I could get what I was hoping for.
Also Nero about the reads: I'm just really careful with giving out strong reads like 48h into the game.
Seph, Nero, moz Lalendra townlean. Prism has a solid post catching up but I don't agree with scum!seph-
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Bujaber what exactly is your suspicion on Lalendra based on? Reads based on a strong scum assumption this early are crap and honestly not worth anything before a flip. Let's keep the teamhunting for when we have a flip (pref. scum)
123 could be lamist but it could also be not so yeah let's not have this be too big of an argument tbh. Even town says stupid crap sometimes.
Reading back moz has one of the bigger postcounts but it's not quite rich in contributions.
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I can reveal my stuff now; I was trying to watch some early wagon dynamics and my vote on Moz was to try and see if anyone would bite and vote moz (negative result) so Moz, nothing to do with our previous game and it's great you're in here
Trying to come up with some time to talk but not for a lil while tonight.-
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I voted Bu as a literal sheeping vote, and Leeoon did the same. I can't see why the same couldn't have happened for Moz, I even gave an (admittedly weak) argument.
Having said so;
Preposition: The middle votes on an early wagon are scum-like
This is something I saw float around and wanted to try out. Surely, couldn't mean anything, but it's what I wanted to try out this game. The early votes are people trying to start a wagon for one reason or another, ergo, they take the spotlight. Hammer doesn't happen this early, but even if, scum hammering the D1 mislynch would bring a lot of attention. So, if any scum want to be on an early wagon possibly headed for mislynch, then why not in the middle?
I wanted to keep this, because now that I'm talking about it, arguments around this are WIFOM.
Let's take a look at some of the third/fourth votes on wagons.
First case: Leeoon, 46. Really empty vote on Bu. "Going to agree with this" is a bit eh. Scum could want to hop onto such a wagon if it's there without valid reason anyway.
Case two: Seph, 54 on Leeoon. Also an empty vote, sorta kinda following Nero I guess.
Case 3: TIAM, 102 on TGP. Lurker vote transforming into a small wagon.
Case 4: Luca on Leeoon, 183 but this one is actually "re-igniting" an older wagon.
So, let me know what you think. Could be shit reasoning in y'all's opinion, if so feel free to ignore but hey, I tried, right?
Out of these 4 I think Leeoon is the most suspicious right now for the vote and for lack of great content, followed by Luca/TIAM then Sephiroth.-
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I've made it clear that I was doing some sort of gambit, fully aware it might not work and that talking about wagons now would be WIFOM. But, I wanted to try it out, and it might just help, no?
"Also anybody who's townreading lalendra is wrong imo" is very rich coming from someone jumping on others because of weak cases. A quick ctrl+F of your iso shows you voted for her in 55 without any real reason, although it's implied it is because of 51. After this you push LALENDRA IS SCUM!!! without there ever being a real argument in your posts. Explain! I'll sit and listen.
@Luca your Lalendra vote was the start of a wagon. I was looking at middle votes (votes 3-5)
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214 is a good post imo.
All my reasoning etc was from that assumption that middle votes are bad, something I wanted to try out. I didn't include early votes in this wagon as starting a wagon either gets you heat in case of a mislynch, or contributes to the game advancing, which scum could certainly do without. Of course, that's guessing work always, but I thought it was a fair assumption to make, even if only to generate more discussion.
TIAM is silent and UTR indeed; not sure I'm yet so sold on scum!TIAM however.
Yeah, believing the gambit was my intention or not will always be up to the rest of you; mentioning it might be seen as weird or useless but I then felt it was no harm throwing it out there, explaining my sheep vote on Bu as well.
Luca this page feels town. Good points.
Bujaber in 229 is a hot mess and I can see the selfvote gambit come from nervous scum before upset town. What's the town motivation, honestly?
And I'm a wildcard? I literally mentioned Luca in my gambit post and I think earlier I called at him for lack of content.
And if you're really not convinced then I'll happily VOTE: Bujaber for the above reasons; if you're town, why are you tunneling and taking false credit for reads? (Lal scum without reasons / taking over LB's reads)-
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...bad post imo. Enough to comment on for you.
Anywho UNVOTE:
The thing is, Bujaber is out in the open now regarding his position in the game. Leeoon isn't (and has not had a good post so far) nor is TIAM. What about those? Let's assume all 3 are scum / are so heavily scumread they're the next three lynches regardless, would it be better (generally) to lynch the open one or the low-info ones first? I can't quite wrap my mind around it. I'd lean towards keeping the low info lynch and try to get info out of them but what if they just slam shut? If you leave the open player around then they won't be able to really do an 180 on their reads without being noticed but you're not gaining anything from a lynch.
Also, Bu is supposed to be at L-2 now!-
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Evidently, I did. I mean, what's the town value of tunneling, as opposed to keeping an open mind and weighing out options?In post 242, Chumba wrote:
Did you seriously ask this?In post 238, Roy Tagliaferro wrote:if you're town, why are you tunneling
Town tunnel all the time. Hell on my other accounts I famous for it
Yeah, my "announcement" might've been a bit weird but I was just wanting to try something out and throw it out here. Discussion, y'all! Yay! Gamesolving!
Lynch pool for now would be Leeoon, Bu, TIAM, TGP. Townleans Seph, Luca, Chumba, Lalendra. Rest is MOTR.-
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@Chumba I can see that argument but there's always the possibility of having a tunnel on a townie. And in that case if you stay in the tunnel it's not helpful to the town I'd guess (sure you might get info but a scum lynch would be better, no?).
Re:alt, HWS is my main and this is the only alt... so my join date is early December. About the thing I put aside as rather irrelevant... I'm still firm in my assumption that slips alone do not warrant a lynch. Even town is stupid and might choose the wrong words and if that results in a lynch then you 1) lose a townie and 2) possibly get through the day with barely any developments (if everyone jumps on a slip).
Luca, why so set on TIAM when Leeoon is doing the same? Also can we prod Leeooon?
Chumba v Luca seems like TvT because those two are pretty much my top two townreads at the moment or at least they're close to being so. I'm seeing Luca's argument though that Chumba is not mentioning TIAM who is inactive right now. His LAMIST argument can go either way honestly.
Bujaber still hasn't explained his Lalendra scumlean.
(post 240)Roy wrote:The thing is, Bujaber is out in the open now regarding his position in the game. Leeoon isn't (and has not had a good post so far) nor is TIAM. What about those? Let's assume all 3 are scum / are so heavily scumread they're the next three lynches regardless, would it be better (generally) to lynch the open one or the low-info ones first? I can't quite wrap my mind around it. I'd lean towards keeping the low info lynch and try to get info out of them but what if they just slam shut? If you leave the open player around then they won't be able to really do an 180 on their reads without being noticed but you're not gaining anything from a lynch.
Can we discuss the above? My lynch pool would be Bu, TIAM, Leeoon and maybe Archwing (low content lately but has barely been mentioned).-
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Still not a big fan of Bu or Leeoon. Bu, thanks for your post - I do think you could do with stronger reasons, but okay, it explains stuff. I don't think her comment about being a good lynch is necessarily a contra town claim - perhaps if she's being a liability to the town, lynching her clears that up, maybe even uncovers some connections and all the like.
I'll settle for TIAM who's still also in my lynch pool. Lurking isn't helping and not helping town = bad. We need to get the votes in though before we have a no lynch. VOTE: TIAM-
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Yay catch upping
I seriously doubt scum Chumba would want to make that kill. But that'll forever be WIFOM. Also, reasons aside from "pinging"?In post 414, Archwing wrote:also iirc luca was 1v1-ing chumba pretty hard while pushing the tiam lynch. think maybe theres something to go on there.
Prism seems good coming right off night 1. Although I'm not really seeing the Chumba scum reasoning. Luca was just as much a townlean for like the entire game.
That is not a good argument, it borders on OMGUS and it's not contributing. Town can be wrong in their reads.Man you have to be scum with the bullshit you are shoveling.
Of course they aren't, but scum!Chumba certainly wouldn't mind using those exact posts to gain towncred or push Prism...In post 433, Chumba wrote:379/380 had absolutely nothing to do with what I’d do if Tiam flipped town
That's a nice catch. Vague.In post 443, Archwing wrote:So earlier you said you didn't want to lynch TIAM. Then you declare intent. Pinged me.
354 makes sense to me though. I don't like those people going "Yeah you're scum anyways, I said so". Because scum isn't gonna admit it, and if said player is town and defends themselves then in most cases I feel the attacker will just go "yeah you're still scum" because they are tunneling. Attackers in this case barely give their target a chance to do anything. Plus the reactions to the VT claim are crap. If we get a VT claim the claimer is scum, if they claim PR then people might be upset about a PR landing themselves at L1...
The following quoted posts by Archwing do kind of seem like they could be building towncred.
Can you like not do this and make sure every post contributes?In post 448, Chumba wrote:Learn what 1v1 is and come back scum boy.
Archwing, elaborate on deleting the part of Luca's quote that actually pleads for Chuba? I mean, deleting that and pushing Chumba hard is very scummy and if you're not scum why the actual fuck would you do it?
Not a big fan of the Seph case. Townread there. Arguments aren't too strong, imo.
Chumba, why don't you throw out some arguments against me if you're so sure I'm scum? Only stuff I can find is either based on the "I have a plan" stint (k, valid) and the Bu vote. I think multiple people were suspicious of Bujaber yesterday and I think up until the wagon started to be a thing he was being scumfuck with his reads-without-reasons and the self vote.
Arch and Chumba both being suspicious at this point. Arch moreso combined with the previous day.
It would make sense for any scum to kill Luca, one of the most townie players. Doubt there's real info there.In post 474, Archwing wrote:If you think it is {me, Prism, Roy} does it make sense for any one of us to kill Luca..?
How is saying you're scummy an ad hom argument...? It's a statement, a read...
490 is a good train of thought.
Moz... what are your arguments for Archwing town? What do you think of the stuff I talked about in this post so far?
Not liking the Seph push without at least addressing some of the arguments for it.
530 reeks of OMGUS to the point where it's probably too much. I am townleaning Moz for now though. Every post has content, be it right or wrong.
The only person I was -remotely- pushing was Bu, and he had a good post prior to my vote, and lurking isn't helping town at all imo, which I think I'd been clear on. If we gotta lynch someone, I'd rather have it be a silent, lurky person over someone who's gonna post in the morning.In post 541, Chumba wrote:he just settles for tiam. Settling imo implies he was pushing somebody else first and that wasn't happening.
Also lol oops sorry mod for that other-game-talk
You tried.
Well that's it for now. See ya.
Gonna place my vote on VOTE: Archwing for now.-
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Lmfao that's probably as far as my playing around with alts is going. Not really seeing the point of it if I keep with my playstyle and slip it lol.
No, I don't. I was trying my "middle votes" thingy as a way to get the game rolling, it's something I wanted to try out, and wanted to see if anyone was biting my bait before talking about those middle votes.-
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Thanks for the reply Archwing. I too obviously leave out irrelevant parts of quotes while addressing someone specifically but I just felt this bit was too important to leave out, it was relevant content about the person you were addressing; seemed a bit manipulation-ish to leave it out.
Welcome Mulch
Mulch can you elaborate on your townlean on Bu? Esp. the events surrounding 229 because that self vote was unnecessary and it seemed some too defensive.
I've only completed one game as town in which I did get mislynched yes.In post 636, Mulch wrote:He who swims tends to be a mislynch often yes? Has he been up for a lynch yet?
Don't see why moz-->TIAM vote is bad but I can endorse the sentiment that moz' reads could be some more explained at times.-
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Not quite seeing prism scum, feel free to elaborate. Don't see anything really painting him scum.
No fan of this however as I don't think meta arguments are any good. At least not enough to cause a lynch.In post 664, Prism wrote:game is demonstrably different from my scumgame he's seen and noticeably similar to my towngame.
Encouraged by Moz but bad sheeping vote. Bu has been good for the rest of the day. Lal vote on me later could do with explanation as well.
No me gusta. Aside from the 3 day silence now I think Seph has decent enough posts.In post 682, StefanB wrote:By the way:
VOTE: Sephiroth
there is nearly zero original content in that ISO and there are 42 posts. I checked it, because I knew that Sephiroth was in the game but don't remember much that he posted. He voted TIAM, leeoon, thegoldenparadox, TIAM today moz, nearly always following a safe waggon, seemingly active in the game but not doing much.
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What? Being town != having correct reads. At all.In post 694, Lalendra wrote:Because people that I trust to be town are voting him and in the absence of any strong reads of my own, I will sheep people I believe to be town.
Sure, but that's in other games, and those games are entirely apart from this one, as you may be scum here, we don't know. Weak argument. Results from the past don't guarantee successes.In post 696, mozamis wrote:and yet i've caught a lot of scum, so maybe stfu?
I want to lynch in Arch, Leeoon, Maybe moz very maybe Lalendra.-
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The thing with the claim is that it's an incredibly convenient claim, like hey, I only have one shot which somehow wasn't used yet, and after this I'm just a VT. Personally I'd think to use it asap, because waiting increases the odds of being killed, and alignments aren't changing depending on the wait. I'd be fine lynching Mulch I guess. Not in my lynch pool so much but he's not a townread either. Apart from this I'd bite for Arch/Moz still. Lalendra can stay. Leeoon's slot is good-ish so far.-
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In post 5, Roy Tagliaferro wrote:VOTE: Luca Blight
There is only room for one person with a space in their username, and Nero won the coin flip.In post 9, Roy Tagliaferro wrote:Well, yes.In post 13, Roy Tagliaferro wrote:Oh I was trying to say that between Luca and Nero, Nero won the coin flip earning Luca my vote
Now as for Nero... we can keep him for now no? You don't win the battle I'm fighting in just one day.In post 17, Roy Tagliaferro wrote:Either way here's to hoping we can start soon because deadline is shorter than usually (7 days y'all!)
And good luck to all, yada yada.In post 20, Roy Tagliaferro wrote:Pretty much sometimes. Wouldn't know where to start though.
Excluding the vote, the first letter of every paragraph spells TWONEAPO which was the crumbIn post 22, Roy Tagliaferro wrote:Okay, tbh I'm not sure of my stance on lurker lynches. They're not giving you info but the question is whether this is more harmful on D1 or at a later time if you see what I'm saying-
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In post 944, Mulch wrote:VOTE: bujaber
I checked someone last night and got no incriminating result so not gonna out it
I forgot about the rolecop claim earlier. But, the above statements are contradictory, no? If Mulch is a rolecop, he would not have gotten a "Vanilla" result, it would have been "Vanilla Town" at most. Plus the "Vanilla result --> possible goon" points towards a flavour cop not a role cop. Right? Or am I being an idiot here.In post 965, Mulch wrote:Fine I’m just gonna claim bc I’m confused
I investigated bujaber and got vanilla
I think he’s probably a goon
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Seph.
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He replaced in Day 2.In post 1002, Christopher wrote:Literally if we had your way we would have wagoned Mulch day1.-
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Revisionist history is the correct term here no?In post 1045, BuJaber wrote:Says on wiki any role that isn't vanilla. I'm day 5 innocent child then.
"I wasn't a D5IC 5 minutes ago but since you pointed it out, I now am!"-
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