Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:39 pm

In post 2212, InfernoBrafin wrote:Bu 666

bu satan confirmed

Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:40 pm

In post 2212, InfernoBrafin wrote:Bu 666

bu satan confirmed

Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:11 am

InfBra is clear.

Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:42 pm

In post 2302, Mathdino wrote:OK so if no one wants me to holster you guys accept that I'm never going to get cleared as town, and we let go of the "lynch Mathdino in Lylo" deal, yeah?

I am prepared to break arrogant strategy and roll the dice on clearing u tonight

Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:47 pm

Nothing within my role should give a false inno

Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:50 pm

Use it on Kthx

Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:51 pm

Well you CAN protect me if you want but I trust you more to NKA that shit if I die

Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:05 pm

Twinning!!! Mara or you if you think there is a strong man

Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:06 pm

Just instruct me/ask questions and I will make witty prod dodge comments

Night action analysis and non chaotic thinking makes me tired v quickly but if I somehow sneak through to LyLo I'll put in more effort. z_z

Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:13 am

VOTE: BuJaber

Mathdino wrote:whatever the fuck the worst is

tis a mystery old as time

Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:14 am

Would Kthx alone not be able to clear Kthx?

Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:14 am

Second Kthx = Beef

pedit yes

Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:15 am

Ahhhh right

Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:17 am

Yup I totally forgot NKs happen.

Let's do this.

Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:20 am

Would that be LyLo/MyLo? We're in D3 I think

Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:23 am

Just for you.

Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:45 pm

I've gone quackers.
Got no result last night.

Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:45 pm

Weak cop ftr.
I get normal cop results if I target a member of the town.
If I target mafia I die

Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:00 pm

Figured people with shit abilities were less likely to be scum, more likely not to get NK'd and made better town clears.

Specifically I tried to keep my NA list down to players I felt were likely to be town.

Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:02 pm

Just trying to decide whether scum would have seen me crumbing.

Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:05 pm

My flavour is Picky btw

Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:06 pm

Remind me what Mom's slip was?

Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:20 pm

I'll be less of a lazy ass at lunch I promise.

Assume a Mom/Beef scumteam for sake of argument.

Is there any night action so far which indicates that the same person both used their action AND killed?

Has anyone received a message from Mom?

Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:23 pm

I haven't thought about any other teams yet but this is making me nervous

Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:32 pm

I'm gonna need to reread on Beef.

Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:03 pm

Math can you confirm what action you submitted last night?

Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:15 pm

Don't motion detectors just found out if something happened? Not like whether it was done by the target vs. someone visited them?

Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:24 pm

Unless he got a positive result despite the night action plan not involving targetint you

Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:26 pm

Which feels kinda reachy.....

Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:34 pm

I don't think I can really read Beef with any kind of accuracy.. Does anyone have first hand experience with him as scum?

Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:59 pm

Yes I claimed

In post 2462, the worst wrote:I've gone quackers.
Got no result last night.

In post 2463, the worst wrote:Weak cop ftr.
I get normal cop results if I target a member of the town.
If I target mafia I die

Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:01 pm

In that scenario a strongman kill wouldn't be necessary N2 but I agree it seems kinda far fetched.

Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:02 pm

InfBra since you're the only slot I know absolutely cannot be scum I'm going to annoy the crap out of you.

Assume the townblock is {Math, InfBra, TW}

Who is scum in this scenario?

Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:05 pm

Well I know for a fact it's incorrect but it is interesting theoretically

Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:09 pm

I think you're giving Mom too much of a free ride.

Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:10 pm

Was ninja'd there, fair call. Considering the townslip is not a townslip do you still see Mom as definite town?

Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:12 pm

Dear WIFOM

Fuck you

Sincerely
TW

Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:13 pm

I can try to put together a night action summary after work if you want?

Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:20 pm

Nope. Has anyone actually?

Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:27 pm

In post 2518, Mathdino wrote:So the only possible scumpartner Marangal can have is Beefster.

Step me through this?

Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:43 pm

In post 2520, the worst wrote:
In post 2518, Mathdino wrote:So the only possible scumpartner Marangal can have is Beefster.
Step me through this?

Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:52 pm

Ow he's offline my bad

Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:20 pm

Ok fair. That was pretty well thought through.

Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:39 pm

Kinda starting to townread Beef

Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:43 pm

In post 2476, Beefster wrote:
In post 2469, Mathdino wrote:So here's the deal. This game has either 1 or 2 mafia remaining.

If there is 1 mafia remaining, it is confirmed to be Beefster.

Therefore if we lynch town today and the game isn't over by tomorrow, we autolynch Beefster. I think this is something we can all agree on.

So we should act as if there's 2 mafia remaining. Find all the possible scumteams and lynch once we've ruled out some of them.

If we assume Marangal townslipped earlier, scumteams available are:
Mathdino/TW (massive fakeclaim plan)
Mathdino/Beefster (Beefster jailkeeper, Mathdino anything)
Mathdino/Not_Mafia (Mathdino strongman, N_M roleblocker)
TW/Beefster (TW strongman, Beefster jailkeeper)
TW/Not_Mafia (TW strongman, N_M anything)
TW/IB (TW strongman, IB double-dayer)
Beefster/Not_Mafia (Beefster jailkeeper, N_M strongman)
I don't know how it happened, but I've been set up.

I holstered last night.

VOTE: the worst

Anyone around to talk to me about this?

He was actually genuinely thrown off. His vote on me feels like 100% ridiculous un-thought-through craziness.

Scum would have known this turn of events was coming. Is this likely to be staged?

Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:44 pm

Just trying to avoid the NKA WIFOM because that incriminates exactly nobody

Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:49 pm

Ehhh I guess but the vote is such an interesting choice...

Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:52 pm

Talk to me about N_M

Hard defending A50 is a red mark against him. How else do you consider his play this game to line up with his scum meta?

Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:11 pm

Will you be here in about an hour? I'll try and >half ass once I'm at my PC.
I feel like there's something not quite right about the Mom/Beef logic.

Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:23 pm

Spoiler: quoted for laziness

In post 1347, Mathdino wrote:Okay nope. I have a very good amount of meta showing Not_Mafia is scum here.

He doesn't make shit arguments as town to get his way. See my game (Stack the Deck).

The idea that Kthx-scum claims a guilty on someone to save acryon and mastina, when that results in all 3 of them being lynched in succession, is utterly ludicrous.

Paragraph-posting Not_Mafia always has a reason to suddenly start caring enough to argue a point. I've seen him do it to pull a mislynch in MyLo.

I'm doing a votecount.
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In post 1376, Mathdino wrote:Wait acryon your Not_Mafia argument sucks.

Here's a compendium of N_M posts in a high stress MyLo with his arch-mafia-nemesis Mathdino trying to mislynch him upon arrival.

Spoiler:
In post 2714, Not_Mafia wrote:Lynch it, lynch it with fire
In post 2741, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 2727, Mathdino wrote:And yes I know that random guess scumteam is pretty fucking wrong but it was a daystart guess cuz NSG was curious
So fake
In post 2744, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 2739, Mathdino wrote:I thought it was Hopkirk when day started but I've thought it was flubb since sheep scumclaim

I have sheep and not mafia meta that only works when I'm not in the game because they adapt their meta to my presence
So I need to do that
Sheep is claimed scum, no one cares
In post 2749, Not_Mafia wrote:You know when you're about to leave a party and then you don't, then you get trapped in an incredibly long-winded and pointless conversation with another guest and spend the whole time wishing you'd just left when you had the chance. This is that moment.
In post 2767, Not_Mafia wrote:Town Mathdino doesn't pass up the opportunity for a good old fashioned pissing contest
In post 2785, Not_Mafia wrote:I can't do it guys, I can't make serious posts only
In post 2794, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 2792, Mathdino wrote:Because I didn't have a role pm yet

Like had my slot not replaced out I'd be scumreading it

The lurkout and lack of anyone screaming for a replacement made me go

Oh fucking shit that slot is town and it's gonna be me isn't it
Fakkk
Sooooooo fake omg
In post 2842, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Sheep

Fine let's be boring
In post 2853, Not_Mafia wrote:I really REALLY want to lynch Mathdino but I'm going to do the "right thing"
In post 2881, Not_Mafia wrote:Okay no fuck this

VOTE: Mathdino
In post 2967, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Sheep
In post 2978, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Math
In post 2999, Not_Mafia wrote:Sheep is literally claimed scum, there is no Hopkirk/Fire/Me possibility
In post 3003, Not_Mafia wrote:I don’t see any of the arguments as compelling or interesting at all, just dilettante word vomit. The only time you’ve done anything with any conviction was when you accused Fire of talking about ongoing games, this isn’t town Mathdino the LyLo saviour swooping in to save the helpless visigoths in the town, it’s scum Math chatting shit.

Also there are no conf towns, not even Kat and HEM, but Flubber certainly isn’t

In post 3006, Not_Mafia wrote:My vote isn’t moving, so you can carry on this unrequited 1v1 or you can just vote the claimed scum

In post 3133, Not_Mafia wrote:It’s taking all my impulse control not to vote Math
In post 3138, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3132, Mathdino wrote:sheep, why didn't you ever get to sorting Hopkirk in particular?
Why are you asking claimed scum about their reads?
In post 3144, Not_Mafia wrote:No. I'm irritated
In post 3154, Not_Mafia wrote:Why do you think I'm scum/might be scum/could be scum or wherever your read is at?
In post 3159, Not_Mafia wrote:I think Sheep is a valuable scum PR btw, scum's clearly wants one of the 1v1s forced through today
In post 3283, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3279, Mathdino wrote:I mean this is an okay argument as to Fire/N_M not scum together but this also implies that they would ever plan anything, which is a faulty assumption
I trolled you as a teammate and plotted out the whole game, you know I have the ability to anticipate reactions and plan a scum gambit accordingly, so does Fire
In post 3290, Not_Mafia wrote:Mathdino did scumclaim yes, several other times too
In post 3292, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3289, Mathdino wrote:Perfect example is Hopkirk who suddenly became more enlightened than the Dalai Lama tripping balls on LSD once I started making real arguments for sheep/Hop/N_M.
Yes who has been calling the team sheep/Fire/Me and pushing
me
as the lynch, he's made no attempt to get Fire, his theoretical mislynch in your scenario, lynched
In post 3295, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3291, Mathdino wrote:You're literally arguing "town-Mathdino wouldn't rule out me/Fire as a scumteam" which is...
I'm arguing that you thinking that Fire and I couldn't pull a scum theatre gambit is transparently bullshit
In post 3298, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3294, Katyusha wrote:pedit: no really like............. what would town!dino have done here n_m in your opinion
Lynch scum, not me, not refuse to vote conf scum when we still have 8 players and what? 4 or 5 players unclaimed?
In post 3308, Not_Mafia wrote:Okay cool, lynch me because Math makes long posts with words in them, his arguments are crap and his commentary on me and what he thinks I'd do is transparently bogus. Just do me a favour and lynch the confirmed scum first
In post 3311, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3306, Mathdino wrote:
In post 3294, Katyusha wrote:what reason do scum have to waffle

obviously here n_m!scum would be trying to look town in the first place by unvoting so i guess it's kind of a dumb question but i dont think saying "scum would stick to their guns" is an unreasonable assumption, theyre the ones who come into the game with a planned agenda in mind
Scum can't plan shit. Look at the timestamps on that interaction; it was all within a span of minutes. Turbospeed.

I'm arguing that N_M knew Fire was town already and was setting him up to fall.

But then he realised Fire wouldn't go down so easily and 1v1ing Fire would have the strong potential to just confirm N_M as scum down the line.

None of it was planned because he didn't plan for Fire's fakeclaim.
Math is now moving the goalposts to distract from his bullshit argument. No one is saying we did plan it, just that your argument that we couldn't was manure
In post 3321, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3315, Katyusha wrote:monkey am i being too easily swayed? where am i going wrong?
Renaming myself monkey temporarily.

Yes, seriously go over Math's posts with a fresh mind, there's nothing there, it's all style no substance
In post 3324, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm gonna piss myself if Math is actually town, both out of hilarity and frustration
In post 3339, Not_Mafia wrote:Town Dino doesn't attempt to justify his play to me, he just laughs at me and talks about policy lynches
In post 3345, Not_Mafia wrote:And fire still isn't conftown, conf is a strong word, can we please not use it on just extremely strong reads
In post 3370, Not_Mafia wrote:What seems weird to you about stuff I've done Kat? List some things and I can explain them to you
In post 3375, Not_Mafia wrote:I honestly don't remember where exactly my read was, I wanted to lynch Hopkirk that day but wanted to see the results of a Seph wagon, I think I had Seph as a scum lean and then he self hammered
In post 3377, Not_Mafia wrote:Your slot was basically a non-presence until you subbed in
In post 3382, Not_Mafia wrote:Your mum is a non-presence
In post 3403, Not_Mafia wrote:Scum tend to interact with partners who are playing and partners who aren't

His play is completely different. Idk what you're smokin.

Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:24 pm

Flummery.

Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:00 pm

leaving his buddy as Mom?

Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:03 pm

if you had to nail a scumteam right now who would it be?

Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:04 pm

I'd call Mom/N_M but I still need to think on this.

Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:08 pm

I want to find a partner I believe before committing to this but in a pinch I'm probably down.

Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:09 pm

there is a reason I'm being hesitant (for once!)

Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:14 pm

yas
ngl I think I forgot to for the entirety of D1

Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:19 pm

In post 677, the worst wrote:
In post 586, acryon wrote:For full-disclosure, here is a full list:
Town
Almost50
the worst
Carrot & Stick

Lean-town
Not_Mafia
InfernoBrafin (James Brafin + Inferno390)
Momrangal

Null
Kthxbye
Mathdino

Lean-scum
TheGoldenParadox
Iconeum
BuJaber

Scum
Beefster
Can you talk me through how you got from here to selecting these two players? Do you think they're scum together?

quoted for thinking

Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:26 pm

I'm gonna confess my idea of crumbing is probably what others call "vomiting vague details at people".
Totally thought I was being more subtle than this.

Spoiler: here u go

Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:27 pm

also fyi I shat all of my pants when Acryon flipped.

Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:33 pm

omfg
if you have the time read Acryon's ISO assuming Beef is scum

Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:38 pm

LOL
I am definitely not this game's MVP

Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:44 am

Thought I posted again before sleeping hmm

Does anyone else feel like Action's push on Beef is really bad?

Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:28 am

I'm far too inexperienced to do this with any kind of accuracy. I still kinda make shit up as I go until I get a feel for my playstyle.

Actually, I'd have said you're more likely to know the difference than I am.

I'll try if you want.

Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:32 am

I'd be curious to see what you come up with if you can share. I recently finished a scum newbie game in case you haven't come across it yet.

Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:41 am

Regardless of alignment I tend to get lazy around power players. But I'd say I play a more tryhard scum game, and definitely a lazier town game if I can get away with it. It's largely not intentional, there's just big battles of personalities which I don't really have the energy to get involved in.

As scum I loathe bussing and try to consider my partner/s as remote possibilities at best. The biggest tell I can see from myself is that I try to adjust my style to suit apparent PRs and conftown as scum while as town, I tend to totally disregard their asses and try to work with "obvtown" or sort "probtown" players

Also. Low key I abhor drawing scum but it happens to me a lot. xD (2:2 finished games on MS and I'm almost policy lynch in a Discord server I play in sometimes because of how often I'm evil)

Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:43 am

No!!!! RC quickhammered me and he outlived me

Impede is my fav I'd never do that

Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:45 am

I'm putting the first paragraph down to an introvert + feeling thing

Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:46 am

Assuming you're town here (Im comfortable with the idea) I am yet to play with a power player who is scum so... I hope I can feel the diff when it happeneds

Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:52 am

Good. Fucking. Point.

Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:54 am

OK update I'm just bad with power players.

Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:59 am

Poooooossibly maybe
I think scum!me probably but might try to resist it a bit more.

Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:00 am

How would you differentiate your townplay and scum play?

Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:04 am

Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:26 am

Yeah the A50 destruction had me pretty comfortable you were town. You could easily have played it off 100 different ways if you were his buddy. Plus I literally can't see any anti town motive from you.

Also needless to say ln was a bit of a sorting exercise and I'm cool with you, IB and myself as a townblock.

Ignoring WIFOM crap: do you see acryon hard defending all 3 scum?

Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:19 pm

My gut is telling me it's Mom/Beefster.

Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:26 pm

Done.

VOTE: Beefster

Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:41 pm

Anyone could have done it N1 I think
Is there anything that proves Mom couldn't have done it last night?

Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:41 pm

Sorry for being codependent
Phone posting under the desk

Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:53 pm

Lemme double check my PMs in case I did get one and accidentally read it while half asleep or something.

Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:54 pm

Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:25 pm

I had a moment of intense Math/Mom paranoia earlier in the phase but

That is stupid

Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:37 pm

I have an innocent result on you so I know beyond any doubt whatsoever were both town.

I just want your reads on the remaining players. Assume myself and Math are confirmed town for a moment.

Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:14 pm

Food for thought.. Is a scumteam with an investigation immune and a ninja totally ridiculous?

I wouldn't even consider it if not for the fact there are so many investigatives.

Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:54 pm

Yeah it's Mom/Beef.

Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:55 pm

I want to vote Mom here but can't remember vc

Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:17 pm

PROBLEM

Is there any reason I'd get a result tonight??

Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:35 pm

Sorry for hyperposting. I'm thinking about this game a lot.

I haven't analysed whether Beef/N_M is mechanically possible but I can only see two scumteams and they both have Mom in them.

Is anyone around? I want to talk night plans

Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:09 am

So because Australia I can maybe hopefully read some answers when I wake up.

How likely is Mastina to have totally nailed scum? That would have N_M as scum and Mom as town. Beef I'm not sure how to read here.

Do we think that acryon townreads his entire scumteam (A50, Mom, N_M) or is it more likely he's townblocking A50 + {Mom/N_M} and distancing from Beefster?

AND... tinfoilish but I'm tired so meh, how much do people believe Mom's messenger claim....... Rereading and rereading her interactions with Mastina about the alleged action it's starting to feel kinda mechanical and less frustrated...... and this is still unconfirmed because she mysteriously forgot to act last night........

Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:49 am

Niceee

I'm worried I'm getting a bit tunnel visioned which is why I need to talk to someone abt this but I'm actually not sure I believe your messenger claim at all. I don't know what you are but if you aren't that, it opens a lot of possibilities.

Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:50 am

I can still believe you/N_M as a team.

Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:03 am

Your living buddy or A50 could have done the n1 kill

Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:16 am

Interaction between NM and Beef?

Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:24 am

I can force a result tonight I think, either hardish or hard. My main issue is I do not trust Mom nor believe she's a messenger. I don't know whether I've over read and am becoming confbiased. :/

Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:26 am

MU terms?

Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:30 am

I need a translator brb

Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:31 am

WTF is this I'm Australian normally I'm the one saying whack shit people can't understand

Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:33 am

I made an account there and decided not to use it

Was there anything I need to know the actual meaning of in there?

Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:38 am

mod pls replace math he broke

Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:39 am

OK just Googled RWSTFO because I love acronyms and that's actually pretty funny
The rest I will not be translating

Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:46 am

I henceforth name 22/03 MafiaScum appreciation day because we do not have that shit in our lives

Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:46 am

Ya I remember from your stack the deck

Wish I could abbreviate that sentence without feeling ill

Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:51 am

Is Marshy part of N_M's slot?

Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:56 am

TOO SOON MATH

Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:57 am

Marshy has like
No meta

Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:57 am

In post 153, marshy wrote:sup nerds

WOW kthxbye. im so sorry to hear that

i will b here later

I s2g I completely missed this post.

Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:09 am

Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:20 am

....this works

We can in theory eliminate both a scumteam and get an inno

Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:21 am

Wait hold on I'd have to holster or we could have two deaths and instantly lose

Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:23 am

I also don't know if I'd trust either Beefster or N_M but we could confirm whether or not Mom is a messenger which in theory wins the game

Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:26 am

In post 2664, Mathdino wrote:Not_Mafia motion detects the worst
Beefster jails InfernoBrafin
Mathdino guards InfernoBrafin
Marangal messages InfernoBrafin
the worst holsters

I don't get it...

Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:30 am

Or if Not_Mafia is scum with e.g. Mara he does w/e he fancies and claims a guilty on me tomorrow

Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:33 am

Apologies. That post was pre coffee, I mustn't have processed it.

Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:36 am

Does a Jk targeting a roleblocker cause the roleblock to fail or do they happen simultaneously?

I'm starting to see what you mean. Shitfuck

Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:36 am

UNVOTE: panic unvote

Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:38 am

In post 2611, Mathdino wrote:Scenarios that explain what happened last night:
A. the worst is scum (lying).
B. Beefster is scum (jailed the worst).
C. Marangal is specifically a mafia roleblocker (blocked the worst).

Marangal clearly believed she had legitimately sent a message to mastina. This means that if she's scum, she's scum with Beefster or the worst. Full stop. She cannot be scum with Not_Mafia because N_M is a confirmed investigative.

The possible scumteams are then:
Beefster/Marangal: Beefster jailkeeper, Marangal something or other
Beefster/Not_Mafia: Beefster jailkeeper, Not_Mafia investigative, one of the two is a strongman to explain shooting through my bodyguard.
Beefster/the worst: Beefster jailkeeper, the worst strongman
Marangal/the worst: Marangal messenger, the worst strongman
Not_Mafia/the worst: Not_Mafia investigative, the worst strongman

Mechanically, Beefster/Not_Mafia is implausible.

How implausible are you thinkin

Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:41 am

VOTE: Beefster

Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:42 am

If you actually are scum and it's Math/Mom or Math/N_M...fucking gg

Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:50 am

I target Mom tonight, Math protects me.

If I flip it means there Math is probably scum. Or there's a strongman and it's N_M or Mom I guess.
If Math flips I get a result

If we both flip Mom is scum

Am I on the right track...?

Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:52 am

I'm more than happy with a no action but I need a better night plan than that one

Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:03 am

WHY IS MY SHIFT STARTING NOW

Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:06 am

If Not_Mafia is Not_Not_Mafia he's scum with either me or Math which puts Math/N_M as the scumteam for me. I really don't see Math bussing both of his scum buddies based on meta.

Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:08 am

Beefster.

Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:11 am

In post 0, Gamma Emerald wrote:

Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse

Game designed and modded by Gamma Emerald
Back-up modded by RadiantCowbells
Reviewed by Jingle, Virtuoso, and others

Spoiler: Alive Players
alban marshy
Not_Mafia
Beefster
InfernoBrafin (James Brafin + Inferno390)
Mathdino
Momrangal
the worst

Spoiler: Dead Players
Iconeum,

Orange Kid, Town Backup JOAT
, was attacked with a psychic blast Night 1.
TheGoldenParadox,

Pokey, Town Non-Consecutive Target Hider
, fainted in fright Night 1.
acryon,

Catain Strong, Mafia Traitor One-Shot Gladiator
, taken into custody Day 2.
Almost50,
Mani Mani
, discovered and imprisoned Day 2.

Carrot and Stick,

Apple Kid, Town JOAT
, was driven mad Night 2.

BuJaber,

Everdred
, was locked up Day 3.

Kthxbye,

Jeff, Town Follower
, was killed* Night 3.

Spoiler: Modkilled Players
Don't make me put your name here.

Why are you insistent there's a strongman?

Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:12 am

Sorry, clumsy.

Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:15 am

Fuck I think it literally has to be you and Beef or Math and Beef

Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:23 am

I don't think Math is likely to be scum either.

I must have been right earlier. I think it's you/Beef.

Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:27 am

Okay but by your own admission being messenger doesn't clear you of being strongman. And you're very very fixated on the existence of a strongman.

Assuming you/Beef scumteam Beef jails me to fuck with N_M's results. You kill whoever and send a message to InfBra.

Then tomorrow we learn..... N_M detected motion on me which confirms nothing.
We maybe confirm that you have a messenger ability but that does not actually prove anything.

We're just back in the same situation but with one less townie (probably Math or InfBra realistically)

Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:33 am

I don't think I've even accounted for the idea of a scum JoaT

Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:31 pm

It kinda just popped into my head

Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:49 pm

Not_Mafia what are your thoughts here?

Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:28 pm

Oops misread my role pm I'm a cereal killer

Cheerios die next.

Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:37 pm

Is it possible to inno someone without my ability at this point?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:44 am

In post 2726, InfernoBrafin wrote:
Brafin

I don't think anyone has actually CHECKED TW, honestly. Sorry TW, but I'm a little paranoid after last game. We need to hydra sometime btw.

I've been waiting for this post

Don't think there's any way to actually check me at this point. Gonna have to make a judgement call.

Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:11 am

Am I wrong in thinking mechanically N_M can't be scum with Mom or Beef? Ergo is scum with either me or Math?

I'm not on board. It's Mom and Beef, seriously.

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:00 am

Are you sure about N_M Math?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:00 am

Please tell me that's sarcasm

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:02 am

FML seriously dude I don't wanna lose

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:03 am

I think scum literally planned to go after me+ib and me+nm last night. Beef's ridiculous vote at the start of MyLo could easily have been a slip.

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:04 am

I appreciate N_M is independently scummy as all fuck but please tell me you see this

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:05 am

Is it worth the risk of gamethrow?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:06 am

FTR I just won as scum in LyLo by buddying the fuck out of James so I'm expecting him to be a bit hesitant around me rn.

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:07 am

Ngl after stack the deck and this shit policy lynching doesn't seem so bad anymore

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:12 am

I really can't tell the difference between his town and scum game except rare bursts of apparent enthusiasm like that LyLo game you linked. I did not have him pegged in stack the deck either (legit thought Sky was the last scum).

But yeah his play is a lot like stack the deck. Who's his partner?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:15 am

Yes we really need to talk about this

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:16 am

I can only see you as his partner and I'm uncertain enough about meta reading N_M and confident enough in townreading you that I'm shook.

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:19 am

Assuming we don't lose right now

Tell me a scumteam that doesn't kill you tonight

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:27 am

The only way we (in theory) stop me getting roleblocked by scum!Beef tonight is using motion detection

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:30 am

Literally all we've accomplished via night actions is proving InfBra is town

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:32 am

FUCKING WAIT I THINK I FOUND A THING

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:33 am

I can't find it but Mastina crumbed a result I think

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:34 am

She said something about someone defending acryon being bullshit for REASONS and I lost the post. Bear with.

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:36 am

In post 2149, Carrot and Stick wrote:Did I mention.
When I claimed rolecop.
That I was calling Not_Mafia's acryon townread for reasons bullshit?

...Why yes.
Yes I did!

Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:43 am

I know it's doing my head in

Isn't optimal JOAT play to throw down your cop abilities asap and save protectives/blocks for lategame when they're more useful?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:18 pm

No I'm nervous as fuck you and Beef are literally the scumteam pushing us to a loss.

Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:41 pm

I might have an insane no lynch night action plan.

Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:47 pm

I target InfBra. I've already got a town result on him so no chance of instant loss
Beefster flips a coin between visiting me and whoever he thinks my partner is (InfBra??)
Math holsters
Mom sends a message to InfBra
N_M motion detects Math

Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:48 pm

This sounded profoundly better a minute ago. Let me keep thinking.

The basic concept is there

Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:50 pm

It relies on good faith from Beef, N_M and myself which is a bit risky but like

If Beef and I are both town we'll be able to confirm with pretty good certainty tomorrow.

We'll be able to confirm if Mom actually has a messenger ability..... Whatever good that adds to the game.....

And idk. Now I'm thinking about it this sucks as much as all the other ideas

Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:53 pm

Does strongman ignore being RB'd by JK?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:55 pm

I thought they just ignored protection.... I hate this game

Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:55 pm

(mafia in general that is. Gamma you're awesome)

Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:48 pm

This game was so fun and so crazy.

thank you heaps Gamma for modding!!

Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:50 pm

Mastina you were amazing. Every time you caught up after day 1 I was worried you'd just suddenly flip the entire game on its head.

Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:55 pm

Lowlight of my year so far: trying to explain my scumgame without softclaiming scum with Not_Mafia

Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:59 pm

I was so scared when you made vague comments about the likelihood of the existence of a scum roleblocker. Totally changed my claim around that.

Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:10 pm

I was crumbing weak roleblocker as hard as I could..... until you said there was a good chance of there being a scum roleblocker

pedit: that's really interesting. I wondered what made my buddies all sub out ;(

Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:22 pm

I was not expecting the self vote at all.

Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:35 pm

Thank you very much!

Rolling scum drives me crazy. Really interesting point about great scum being suspected, but not getting lynched.

Bussing is the worst....i felt really bad leaping on the A50 wagon this game but I couldn't see an alternative.... :'(

Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:40 pm

I thought you were up to something saying that! Clever thinking. I was scared as hell when I realised Math would be alive in MyLo. (suggested killing him every night after n1

)

Btw if you guys lynched all of my buddies I would've been real sad

Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:49 pm

Thanks.

I think sheer good luck was part of our win there too. If A50 or acryon or even N_M rolled roleblocker we wouldn't have gotten away with messing with night actions as much as we did.... my townread was a fluke but combined with RB it was super handy.

Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:58 am

In post 2869, Inferno390 wrote:I guess James' fears of TW were not unfounded LMAO. To be honest, I was blindsided by that.

Tfw James policy lynches me for the rest of time

I felt like you guys could've used conftown status more here. If you were feeling paranoid about Math or smthn talk to someone else you're townreading and work out whether it's founded. They might lead you down the garden path but EVEN THAT generates really solid content. Even as scum tbh I would've said to drop the read, our favourite dinosaur did literally nothing scum motivated the entire game.

My preference of lynches in MyLo was Beefster > Mom > Math > you > N_M > me

But the likelihood of lynches happening was probably Beefster > N_M > Mom > me > {Math, you}

The Math paranoia without many reads on other players was a little damaging here.

Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:37 pm

I was 99% sure you were gonna fuck us at the 11th hour there

Even down to the "we're lynching N_M and I hope you die by night actions" I was screaming internally

Sorry to be a contrarian but I'm not blaming Beef too hard. That last day reads were basically as good as random. It was gonna be crazy hard to get Math/Mom/Beef/InfBra to agree on ANY lynch

Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:38 pm

Reads across the town*** that is

Mom had us pegged and I think InfBra might have voted there in a pinch

Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:42 pm

In post 2884, Raskolnikov wrote:balanced setup need 2 git gud

Hi stranger you're my new favourite person

Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:56 pm

I think he was stirring everyone up

Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:40 pm

Hope everything's okay with you now Assembler.