Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Almost50]

Add mastina to the list since she claimed to have a roleblock. Don't remember that she said she used it so let's see what she says about kthx.

Why does it matter? He claims to have got a result/ If he had been RB'd he should've got "No Result". That's actually my point. A "No Result" is not incriminating, while "You Saw Nothing" is.

You see an RB claim?

I din't and I was not implying it. I was responding to BuJaber's suggestion that Mastina might have RB'd you/

[Mathdino]

Actually, assuming we lynch scum today, and assuming the worst is able to confirm townies, we might have ourselves a mechanical win by directing the worst (who can confirm innos), Beefster (stop night actions), and Kthx (gets tracker guilties). Maybe throw in mastina's 1-shot roleblocker. Scum's gonna have a hard time killing.

I think we should elect someone to ultimately control the night actions. This ensures we don't end up allowing scum to target their scumbuddy.

[Not_Mafia]

Actually, assuming we lynch scum today, and assuming the worst is able to confirm townies, we might have ourselves a mechanical win by directing the worst (who can confirm innos), Beefster (stop night actions), and Kthx (gets tracker guilties). Maybe throw in mastina's 1-shot roleblocker. Scum's gonna have a hard time killing.

I think we should elect someone to ultimately control the night actions. This ensures we don't end up allowing scum to target their scumbuddy.

That's a great argument as to why not all those players are town

[acryon]

Actually, assuming we lynch scum today, and assuming the worst is able to confirm townies, we might have ourselves a mechanical win by directing the worst (who can confirm innos), Beefster (stop night actions), and Kthx (gets tracker guilties). Maybe throw in mastina's 1-shot roleblocker. Scum's gonna have a hard time killing.

I think we should elect someone to ultimately control the night actions. This ensures we don't end up allowing scum to target their scumbuddy.

That's a great argument as to why not all those players are town

Was just going to say this.

I'll protect you as long as mastina's doc goes on Kthx.

Kthx should obviously not out his target at all.

So you have Kthx as locktown right now? Because you don't see scum navigating this claim like he did?

[the worst]

I'll protect you as long as mastina's doc goes on Kthx.

Kthx should obviously not out his target at all.

Do not protect me tonight.

[the worst]

Actually fuck yes

Math is allowed to protect me but no one else is

[Mathdino]

The end goal is to either gradually get innos on players or force scum to no lynch repeatedly.

I don't necessarily think all those players are town, but I do think scum roles can still be used to clear town.

What are they gonna do?

Fake a guilty?

[Not_Mafia]

The end goal is to either gradually get innos on players or force scum to no lynch repeatedly.

I don't necessarily think all those players are town, but I do think scum roles can still be used to clear town.

What are they gonna do?

Fake a guilty?

lol

[Almost50]

i'm actually really impressed at how difficult A50 is to lynch

given that he makes himself such an universally attractive lynch option when he's town lol

Do I get actually lynched though?? I do it because it serves my own amusement and play style, but I always aim for survival or eating a bullet at night. In fact, I'm sure I'm going to be NK'd tonight if I'm not lynched today. and there's not much I can do about it.

P.S. Don't ANYBODY DARE protect me, no matter how hard you TR me.

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno

A50 is doomed today or tomorrow. He's not going to post anymore as you not give town more posts to examine

You don't know me at all!! Neither Scum!Me (as you've been implying at this point) nor Town!Me (regardless of your own thought or even alignment) would go down that easy. I'll fight back as Town/Mafia/SK/WW/Alien (and surprisingly I would probably do it as a JESTER too).

Did A50 just crumb Jester?

[Mathdino]

So does anyone wanna lynch outside the gladiate and watch A50 not get nightkilled

Lol

[Almost50]

Math Buj and A50

How likely do you think Acryon is to be town here?

90% or more. Scum!acryon would've definitely went the easier route and voted me here.

[Mathdino]

So you have Kthx as locktown right now? Because you don't see scum navigating this claim like he did?

His claim is practically confirmed.

I don't see scum faking a softguilty on someone like this, and then gladiating them instead of taking a step back. Just gets them lynched the next day. He easily could've just stayed quiet and lynched someone else.

[Almost50]

No result to me means no action. We'll see what MOD had to say. If No Result is only from being blocked, I take the entire accusation back and we are back to square one

Or you could've just checked the wiki?? Given the mod activity I doubt you'd get an answer anytime soon.

[Mathdino]

well it's a good thing no one's calling for another vote on kthx in the meantime

oh wait

people are

[acryon]

So you have Kthx as locktown right now? Because you don't see scum navigating this claim like he did?

His claim is practically confirmed.

I don't see scum faking a softguilty on someone like this, and then gladiating them instead of taking a step back. Just gets them lynched the next day. He easily could've just stayed quiet and lynched someone else.

I'm still hung up on what I outlined here:

Especially

if a lynch on A50 were to go through, if he flips town we end up in a situation where Kthxbye's claim was vague enough that it could easily be construed as a misunderstanding.

Being explicit is super important here.

Obviously he ended up getting forced into full-claiming, at which point we realized the guilty was BS or a misunderstanding.

Considering the fact that you believing him means you're accepting there was a misunderstanding is just evidence that people would go along with it and let him live.

[Mathdino]

Because I have enough clout to convince this super tunnelly town?

Kthx is still in my lynchpool. While I accept the possibility for a misunderstanding, I'd still be willing to lynch him off play if he has nothing to offer us in terms of good investigations.

That said, lynching him before tonight's night action is just silly.

[Almost50]

Kthxbye can you slow down a little for me?

How are you reaching the conclusion that no result = scum night kill? I think that's fucking me up as much as anything else.

No result to me means no action. We'll see what MOD had to say. If No Result is only from being blocked, I take the entire accusation back and we are back to square one

In fact, I'd be interested in knowing what you think the mod would have told you if your action failed. You could fail due to being RB'd, JK's, your target is an Ascetic/Hider/Commuter/ I'm not even including Reporter here, nor am I including non-targeting roles (ex: An ACTIVE X-shot PGO who can turn it off at will)

[acryon]

Because I have enough clout to convince this super tunnelly town?

Kthx is still in my lynchpool. While I accept the possibility for a misunderstanding, I'd still be willing to lynch him off play if he has nothing to offer us in terms of good investigations.

That said, lynching him before tonight's night action is just silly.

Problem from my standpoint is I had someone who I already thought was scummiest and was voting, and then to top it off, they are involved in a highly questionable claim.

There is just no one near his level in terms of me being willing to lynch.

[Mathdino]

See A50 is still scum by play here though.

He's simultaneously trying to lynch Kthx but also put up a barrier for himself to not get lynched tomorrow. Meanwhile, Kthx is basically arguing for a full-on gladiate, which he's currently losing, and which certainly gets him lynched tomorrow.

Either A50 believes the Follower claim and the claim is NAI, or he doesn't, and he shouldn't even be hedging here.

Then there's also all the other ways A50 is scum by play but if anyone's gonna make a case that everyone's gonna ignore, it'll be mastina, not me.

Edit: What is Kthx's scum motivation here?

[Almost50]

Read follower, doesn't say muy target had to target in order for me to get result of your role. Try again

Oh, but it does! It tells you what action your target performed ON SOMEONE. But I also proposed other possibilities, such as Commuter/Ascetic/Hider/Reporter (I know we already have a flipped Hider, but I'm giving general examples of how you could've got a NO RESULT and you're being persistent that is not the case), so please tell me how you thought I was scum who performed the NK rather than me being Ascetic for example.

[Mathdino]

hider doesn't commute

hider is just night immune

hiders can still be tracked

but that's just me being pedantic

[acryon]

See A50 is still scum by play here though.

He's simultaneously trying to lynch Kthx but also put up a barrier for himself to not get lynched tomorrow. Meanwhile, Kthx is basically arguing for a full-on gladiate, which he's currently losing, and which certainly gets him lynched tomorrow.

Either A50 believes the Follower claim and the claim is NAI, or he doesn't, and he shouldn't even be hedging here.

Then there's also all the other ways A50 is scum by play but if anyone's gonna make a case that everyone's gonna ignore, it'll be mastina, not me.

Edit: What is Kthx's scum motivation here?

I explained what the scum motivation was before. I think you lynch someone that, to your point, would have been very difficult to lynch, and have a fairly easy out when they flip town (hint: we're living that out right now). What is Kthx's scum motivation

now

? I think he's too far in to turn back, so I think he has to push forward and hope people will side with him. I presume C&S will come in and wall about how A50 is scum, and I think that's what Kthx has to hope for at this point.

[Almost50]

See A50 is still scum by play here though.

Do you want me to go on a rampage and swear? Do you? I'm trying to be as cold as an iceberg here, but even an iceberg is bound to melt down to the core if subjected to continuous heat. I REALLY am starting to wonder if you are Town here. I've seen you runnel SCUM before, but never saw as strong a tunnel on TOWN from you.

[Mathdino]

there's a soft guilty on you and you're not fullclaiming, what do you want from me