Mini Theme 2008: Role Design Committee [Game Over]

[Ankamius]

Good morning, guys. Anything I need to know off the bat before I jump in?

[Ankamius]

Why? From what I can tell, they have already been claimed.

[Ankamius]

I check gambits like that regardless of alignment.

Anyways, once I'm set up, I'll go read through the game.

[Ankamius]

That's not what my role PM says

[Ankamius]

I haven't started yet, I'm waiting for my PT first.

[Ankamius]

Oh oops, I totally slipped

Sorry Stefan, I ruined it for us

[Ankamius]

Ok for reals

I asked for a personal PT and hadn't gotten it yet.

[Ankamius]

Recently, yes.

[Ankamius]

I'm at the end of day one and I have some pretty strong reads already.

[Ankamius]

Momrangal is obvtown
the worst is obvtown

Kokichi Oma is just under obvtown

Espeonage is lightly town
Not Known 15 is lightly town

SnarkySnowman is null
NicoRobin is null

Alonzo is lightly scum

TheGoldenParadox is strongly scum
StefanB is strongly scum
Chickadee is strongly scum

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Kokichi Oma
VOTE: Chickadee

[Ankamius]

And yes, I strongly believe that the Chickadee+StefanB interactions were theater.

[Ankamius]

I had independent scumreads on both slots before the dayvig.

[Ankamius]

I should clarify:

I had independent scumreads on both slots before the dayvig, and I can easily see the dayvig interactions as S/S interactions.

I'm honestly mystified why people were discounting that so easily.

[Ankamius]

It might change as I go through day 2, but I'm taking a break for a bit so I can do some other stuff.

[Ankamius]

Is it the fact that I've already caught you and Stefan or what?

[Ankamius]

um

Nothing in your day 1 ISO was town.

[Ankamius]

Here's the thing chick:

1. Your posting day 1 reads as scum trying to lie low
2. I can independently see your dayvig on Stefan as S/S interactions
3. Your insistence that you're town despite not

doing

anything town is scummy

So why should I be townreading you?

[Ankamius]

I took a decent shot D1.
I confirmed Stefan's role.
I made Stefan's role, and if we have any investigative roles, Stefan is conftown to them.
I have been pretty open about my reads.

If I were a scum dayvig, why would I waste a shot on my scum partner? That makes no sense. Even if I knew a partner had a bp, why would I get rid of it? Please tell me the motivation, because that sounds like the dumbest move ever on D1 when no one was suspicious of either of us. And you can't say it was faked. Mod confirmed receiving the action.

I can see this as a gambit to use the tools scum has to put both of you in a better spot for the future.

1. Stefan's response to being shot was heavily overblown.
2. Your endless insistence that you're town for it and that it can't be theater.
3. Even the shot itself was weird. It was very premature for an "information" lynch on a slot you had never stated a scumread on.

I agree that there's much better ways to be using the dayvig, but I can't see this as a town way of using it. Two independent scumreads, one of which has a dayvig, one of which has a bulletproof, having an interaction that looks fake on both ends, and having that interaction be used as an excuse to loudly proclaim how town they are throughout the day.

I don't buy it for a second.

[Ankamius]

Claim: 1 shoot bulletproof-lightning rod.
Every action did target me last night.
This is the first time I am sad not to be dead.
It was Chickadees role claim in her very first post and my Role made it clear that it was her second role.
The proven BP was not claimed by her.

Now I am Vanilla btw.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Ankamius]

Why?

[Ankamius]

Well

Day 2 is proving to be a huge waste of time to read through.

[Ankamius]

Momrangal is obvtown
the worst is obvtown

Kokichi Oma is just under obvtown

Espeonage is lightly town
Not Known 15 is lightly town

-> moderate town

SnarkySnowman is null
NicoRobin is null

-> lightly town

Alonzo is lightly scum

-> moderate scum

TheGoldenParadox is strongly scum
StefanB is strongly scum
Chickadee is strongly scum

That's really all that's changed.

Chickadee/StefanB/TheGoldenParadox are my picks for scum. All three slots are significantly scummier than everybody else in the game. I can see all three of them having a scum agenda behind their play, none have given me any townvibes, and their overall approach just... doesn't feel like trying to gamesolve.

If I'm wrong on any one slot, it's Alonzo instead. The only real difference between this slot and the above is that it's harder to get a read on.

Other than those slots, I'm townreading every other slot except for Snarky, who I've yet to see any reason to read either direction.

the worst/Momrangal are both slots I will have a very hard time seeing as scum this game, likely permanently. Neither are locked yet, but it would take a huge scumfucking to turn my reads on either slot around. I can go into some detail on this, but I don't think I have to since I don't think it should be hard to figure out why for both slots.
Kokichi reads like wrongtown. I don't agree with their posts, but I don't see an agenda behind them or get the impression that they're fake.
Not Known 15... just doesn't seem like scum, albeit mostly because I can't see a survivalistic mindset behind it. It's not a slam dunk by any means, but it's enough to give me pause in wagoning this.
Espeonage had a few posts that resonated with me a bit, but otherwise I haven't been too impressed with their posting.
Nico looks like a distraction. The amount of suspicion on that slot is lightly reading town, but that's... really all that's readable from her.

[Ankamius]

[Ankamius]

Momrangal is hard to explain because it's mostly... she's just town. A lot of her thoughts rang true and her entire approach feels like gamesolving town.

TheGoldenParadox is the opposite; I honestly could just post their entire ISO and have that serve as a case because their approach just feels fake, posturey, and scum-motivated. They're actually close to lockscum to me.

NK15's only thing not indicating town is that really bad TIAM vote. Other than that, their analysis has actually been pretty good and they've read as skeptical town.

Nico... I'm not entirely sure? I didn't write down anything related to them, but it's probably related to how they went about their JK claim if I had to take a stab at the slight read change.

[Ankamius]

Are you referring to me or nico?

[Ankamius]

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

[Ankamius]

Oh well, if scum want to bus then I'm not going to begrudge them.

[Ankamius]

Also I'm not sure if I've seen

that

misspelling yet.

[Ankamius]

TheGoldenParadox is the opposite; I honestly could just post their entire ISO and have that serve as a case because their approach just feels fake, posturey, and scum-motivated. They're actually close to lockscum to me.

[Ankamius]

Read through their ISO and really look at it, it's one of those things you have to be able to recognize yourself to understand.

[Ankamius]

TGP who's scum

[Ankamius]

Read through their ISO and really look at it, it's one of those things you have to be able to recognize yourself to understand.

Please explain why you think TGP and I are scum together. I feel like I've mind melded a lot with him this game. I don't see the scum motivation of the scum team putting all their eggs into one basket.

I know "scum can and will do everything" but that argument is just plain stupid sometimes, so please respond with something else.

Everything you say makes me want to kill your slot.

[Ankamius]

lol

[Ankamius]

Rangal how caught up are you with the game right now?

[Ankamius]

Ok

What are your overall impressions right now?

[Ankamius]

You mean like

TGP

[Ankamius]

Ok

Rally for a wagon on someone else then

[Ankamius]

Cool thanks for stopping by Nico

[Ankamius]

Morning Pine

[Ankamius]

I found day one significantly more readable tbh

Although in fairness, my predecessor had spammed out a lot of day two

[Ankamius]

Please do

I live for wagons on myself

[Ankamius]

That's a sign you don't have a very accurate view of the gamestate, Kokichi.

[Ankamius]

idk

I'd probably have to analyze your entire approach to be able to answer that and I'm not sure I can understand your thought processes to accurately decide that anyways

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: TheGoldenParadox,
leaves the question what was going on with the Ankamius and NotKnown voting their mainaattacker.
VOTE: NotKnown15

About the role of TGP, Nico can you claryfy what the part means that TGP doesn't understand?
Nico said she made a interesting role, I thought it would be a bit less complex.

Mason/Masoniriser seemed to be a very popular role to submit.

???

TGP and Chickadee did that, not me?

[Ankamius]

I might need to reset and double check stuff, something's up here

[Ankamius]

I can't get over how scummy Chick's response to me is though...

[Ankamius]

Does Chickadee's role have hidden elements to it?

[Ankamius]

I mean other than how many shots she has

[Ankamius]

Ankamius:
NotKnown voted your attacker, I said earlier there were 2 chainsaws.
You were one of the mainattackers on TGP, Chick voted you, then NotKnown voted Chick.

I am working on a list for myself wich roles are claimed and claimed to be made, will take a bit.

I don't understand the relevance of this.

Why would my scumpartner vote Chickadee of all people?

[Ankamius]

Ever heard of the term chainsaw?
It is notable, and I have been suspicious of Not_Known for quite some time.
Sorry until in a few hours.

That doesn't actually change my point in the slightest.

Why would my scumpartner vote Chickadee to defend me?

[Ankamius]

Like

If I ever flip

^reassess that slot without claim bias

[Ankamius]

I'll save you the trouble, Chick.

You're scumreading me because I saw through your gambit.

[Ankamius]

I was legitimately not scumreading you that hard, the only reason you were on my radar at all is because of the really weird way you were trying to declare how town you were.

So I reaction tested you. Lo and behold, your response was scummy as fuck.

But go ahead, spin my opening into a scum read strong enough to warrant an immediate declaration that I'm blatantly scum because I'm scumreading you. I'll be waiting.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Ankamius

I was already scum reading the slot, but

Ankamius really cleared it up and confirmed it

for me. Call it OMGUS if you want, but this needs to die.

Nah. I already had a scum read on Mafmen, and was

hoping you'd come in and clear the slot up so I could get a better read. You did....but to your detriment.

Like, I dont understand how you read D1 and come to the conclusion I'm scum.

At all.

???

[Ankamius]

feels like scum trying to push a spicy read.

I must be the best scum on the planet, replacing in and immediately pushing one of the most widely townread slots in the game.

Unless you can think of a reason why I would do that?

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Ankamius

I was already scum reading the slot

, but

Ankamius really cleared it up

and confirmed it

for me. Call it OMGUS if you want, but this needs to die.

Nah.

I already had a scum read on Mafmen

, and was

hoping you'd come in and

clear the slot up

so I could get a better read.

You did

....but to your detriment.

Like, I dont understand how you read D1 and come to the conclusion I'm scum.

At all.

???

!!!

??????

[Ankamius]

The last few post *headdesk* what is the argument Ankamius.

Cleared the slot up indicates that my presence or actions CHANGED the read. Already scumreading my slot is irrelevant to my point.

[Ankamius]

The last few post *headdesk* what is the argument Ankamius.

Cleared the slot up indicates that my presence or actions CHANGED the read. Already scumreading my slot is irrelevant to my point.

[Ankamius]

Claiming that your play was a reaction test is bullshit. Where is the town motivation in trying to reaction test the most widely town-read player?

1. I was already lightly scumreading your slot
2. I was already strongly scumreading StefanB
3. Your interactions with each other were sketchy as fuck

[Ankamius]

What's there to answer about that?

Seeing a scumread from a replacement causes him to go back and read it again, which changes his perception of it. That's perfectly acceptable as a town motivation.

However, it doesn't make sense from a scumpartner of mine. That's completely insane.

[Ankamius]

It didn't

change

the read, it

affirmed

the read.

THEN WHAT ABOUT IT AFFIRMED THE READ?

[Ankamius]

but I have often seen scum sheep cases.

Can you give me some context of why you said scum can sheep cases here? If you can throw me a couple of examples of scum sheeping cases in similar ways to NK15 I think that'll actually help untangle the mess in my brain.

Got a couple of issues with their arguments but I wanna pick your brain first. I think you're holding out on us.

Why is this the first time I'm seeing this

[Ankamius]

Sigh

[Ankamius]

Well you were in a unique position to engage me on that and I'm really annoyed you didn't

[Ankamius]

I've been in a really shitty mood lately so we will see

[Ankamius]

Btw worst

Is this behavior normal for you

[Ankamius]

It didn't

change

the read, it

affirmed

the read.

THEN WHAT ABOUT IT AFFIRMED THE READ?

We are going to run in circles over this....

You came in and immediately scum read the most town player in the game. Your reasons are ridiculous. Theres no scum motivation in wasting shots. And then to say it was all a reaction test is even more ridiculous.

Like

I really don't understand why you're not seeing the problem with this

[Ankamius]

I've mentioned multiple times that the part of Chickadee's play that is most scummy is because of her endless insistence that the shot makes her town.

Then she scumreads me for scumreading her.

Then when I pressure her into telling me how that is scummy, she repeatedly states that the scumread was already there,

despite her words literally suggesting that something I did was scumread worthy.

Then she amends to saying that me scumreading her is scummy, essentially.

It's fucking insane, because even if everything in her post is true, she never once told me why scumreading the 'most town' player is scummy, even after one other slot did the same thing and apparently is my partner now.

I shouldn't have to go into how it's laughable that NM and I are scum together. Chickadee is trying to LOOK town, and I bet it's because that gambit was a life or death one and that towncred is necessary for them to have a chance this game.

Being wrong is not a scumtell. Yet Chickadee is playing like it's the biggest one in the book. It reeks like hell.

[Ankamius]

So yes, I would like to know why I'm wrong.

Because from my point of view, everyone fell for a gambit and don't realize how scummy that shit is.

[Ankamius]

Outside of TGP?

I don't have a good reputation of i have one at all, most of my games before this year were awful ones

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: TGP
VOTE: Chickadee

[Ankamius]

StefanB.

[Ankamius]

(4/7) Not Known 15 - voted by: StefanB, momrangal, Chickadee

And no, I'm not voting with my two scumreads.

[Ankamius]

Momrangal who's the scum that's blindsiding me?

[Ankamius]

Or I guess convince me on Not Known 15 since it doesn't take a whole lot of scrolling to answer that question.

[Ankamius]

Okay, I feel we are talking in circles. We need to decide on a lynch.

Also do you actually care about anything that's going on today?

[Ankamius]

You're welcome to go into why you want me dead whenever you want to, Pine.

[Ankamius]

k

Be useless then.

[Ankamius]

I kind of hope I get lynched solely so you have to explain that.

And/or I don't, but successfully snipe the nightkill.

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Chickadee
VOTE: Pine

This is good too.

[Ankamius]

Yeah opportunism describes my entire play today, which is why I picked a fight with two widely townread slots and called a moderately scumread slot obvtown.

[Ankamius]

When you want to substantiate that, let me know.

[Ankamius]

Because it's really funny that the slot which has done nothing all game is making statements like that after calling ME opportunistic.

[Ankamius]

And btw, it's no accident that the two slots scumreading Chickadee are the ones getting wagoned up, especially with Chick's funny non-reasoning for both scumreads.

[Ankamius]

(Here's another hint: when was Chickadee proven to have the same role claimed to be hers, and there could have been no scumkill tonight because Chickadee's dayvig WAS the scumkill. That would mean Stefan could be town)

[Ankamius]

Yeah, criticizing an EOD replacement for someone who did nothing isn't helping your case. I am not that person.

This is really funny from the player that voted with the big wagons and called the wagonee opportunistic

[Ankamius]

EOD + slot just now being unvoted because of claim + townread player = easy wagon on slots that don't like you

There's two wagons so the townflip doesn't look so bad for everyone on it.

Plus you have a reason for voting me specifically just based on what you said, so go ahead and spill it.

[Ankamius]

The mason target?

[Ankamius]

That would assume I don't get lynched two days in a row and don't snipe the NK twice in a row.

But if that's the decision, then sure.

[Ankamius]

I don't think NK is scum.

[Ankamius]

Why me as a neighbor target?

That I'm confused about

[Ankamius]

Actually, that might not be the worst thing assuming I don't snipe the nightkill. I need to reassess a few things and I'd rather do it in a more private setting than in the main thread until I have results from it.

Or we could just have TGP target whoever and I use my action on him, but I'd still rather yet to snipe the NK.

[Ankamius]

Rather try*

[Ankamius]

That makes a lot of sense, actually.

It's probably the best use of my role too, assuming that TGP actually is town.

[Ankamius]

Oh

Er, sorry worst

[Ankamius]

I think I can confidently say she's very very likely scum now though, if it helps.

[Ankamius]

Also I think now that her role was modified by the mod somehow and that's the most likely cause of the no kill last night.

Stefan looks better lately and rethinking with that revelation made me realize that it didn't need to be theatre for her play to still be as scummy as it has been, so I'm missing a scum somewhere.

[Ankamius]

Also I think now that her role was modified by the mod somehow and that's the most likely cause of the no kill last night.

Stefan looks better lately and rethinking with that revelation made me realize that it didn't need to be theatre for her play to still be as scummy as it has been, so I'm missing a scum somewhere.

Sorry no. We had a JK claim and that explains the nokill(with the LRod). The LRod is also one guranteed nokill with its 1-shot BP and would balance off the problems from a 1-shot scumvig.

About Stefan I agree that he might not be scum. But worth considering is that Chickadee herself claimed to have made the role. Hm.

That actually helps, it would hide that interaction and only having one shot on that ability would mean it can't be tested again and potentially cause a false positive with no obvious answer.

[Ankamius]

I'll switch over to NK if I absolutely have to, but I still don't think that is flipping scum.

[Ankamius]

Better than NK

VOTE: Espeonage

[Ankamius]

I wonder why, Chick

[Ankamius]

It might be because neither of us are scum, but of course you can't admit that since you still need to play to your win con.

[Ankamius]

Pine:

Who do you think are my scumbuddies?

[Ankamius]

worst:

Why are you willing to flip the person who is probably your best hope of getting another of your desired lynches to flip?

[Ankamius]

-The resistance to Ank and the ease of the quiet NK wagon makes me feel they are scum/Town respectively

I'd also like to point out that Chickadee and Kokichi Oma specifically hopped from my wagon to the Not Known 15 wagon.

[Ankamius]

...
ok then.
I'm really sorry for being away so long and not declaring V/LA. My life is in such a huge mess right now, and I haven't even thought about Mafia. I apologize.

Anyways, @anikamus what the actual hell. You're scumreading me for "posturing" and say you could post my entire iso as a case. Yeah.. right. TBH I'm caught between just town failing to catch up or deliberate scum that's trying hard for a mislynch and still get towncred.

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

Yeah nice read of "I could give this guy's ISO as a fucking case."
VOTE: Anikamus

VOTE: Ankamius

I was already scum reading the slot, but Ankamius really cleared it up and confirmed it for me. Call it OMGUS if you want, but this needs to die.

Chick vote somewhere and I'll sheep, I think our reads are about the same.

This is the quoted initial wagon reasons on me. 2x OMGUS and a sheep vote.

[Ankamius]

I strongly dislike 1436 btw I'm not sure that's a town!Anka question

Yes it is, I've had a similar thought process in a recent town game.

Do you want me to quote it?

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

You realize that lynching me isn't exactly a good idea in your shoes, right Cheeky?

Idk

I'm not really sure how to stop town from losing this game, honestly. Just the fact that both conftown now are scumreading me for really bizarre reasons is about enough to destroy any chance I have to influence a BuJaber lynch.

As annoying as this is, lynching Love might be the only chance for a town win despite being a likely town lynch.

As annoying as this is, lynching Love might be the only chance for a town win despite being a likely town lynch.

How does lynching townie increase the chances of a town win? You'll still be alive and suspected tomorrow. BuJaber tried to set it up as you getting lynched on a Lovebird townflip.

Because there's only two people willing to vote for BuJaber today, there is no time to sway people, and if nothing happens, I will be lynched today and BuJaber will be home free to coast to an easy endgame.

That's a Lynch!
Ankamius - 4 - lovebird, greenliquid, CheekyTeeky, BkackVoid
CheekyTeeky - 1 - BuJaber
BuJaber - 1 - Ankamius

Not Voting - Iconeum

Ankamius was

vanilla town

Night 2 deadline is April 26 at 12pm EST

[Ankamius]

idk

Chickadee is my only particular scumread but that wagon's not going to go through. Pine not as much now that he's at least explained a bit.

I think Not Known 15 is town, so I'd rather not lynch that. Momrangal is very very likely town, so not there. GoldenParadox is likely town and helps make my role not inherently destructive, so not there.

{Kokichi Oma/Alonzo/Espeonage/NicoRobin}

[Ankamius]

And what's to say you're not mimicking a previous town play here?

could TW and Anka be scum together?

Nice misrep

[Ankamius]

Also really funny how now that the worst has shown a scumread on her too, suddenly she's considering him for scum.

[Ankamius]

I still think Kokichi is probably town, so cross him off too.

That leaves two slots that aren't here at all and Alonzo, who I have a stale scumread on.

ehhhhh

[Ankamius]

Sure, that works.

UNVOTE: Pine
VOTE: Alonzo

PEdit: I love that post too, it's the embodiment of everything I've been pointing out about her this game in two short sentences.

[Ankamius]

I'm hitting a mood, so I'll go sleep.

I'll try to be around right before deadline but no guarantees.

[Ankamius]

Sigh

VOTE: Not Known 15

[Ankamius]

I was right about that at least.

Sorry NK15

[Ankamius]

VOTECOUNT: 2.FINAL

(7/7)

Not Known 15

- voted by: StefanB, momrangal, Chickadee, Kokichi Oma,

TheGoldenParadox

,

the worst

.

- LYNCHED

(3/7)

Ankamius - voted by: Pine,

Not Known 15

, Alonzo.

(1/7)

Alonzo - voted by: Ankamius.

(1/7)

TheGoldenParadox

- voted by: Espeonage.

(1)

Not voting:

NicoRobin

.

[Ankamius]

hm

Despite having a scum killed last night, that is quite possibly the most useless two flips possible.

[Ankamius]

I targeted Alonso.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Chickadee

I don't see this not being lynched today.

[Ankamius]

Dayvigs can't be scum?

[Ankamius]

We have one vig already flipping scum, so why is the fact that she is the dayvig that important?

Btw, who should TGP use his mason on?

Alonzo imo

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Pine

[Ankamius]

damn

pine's on the case

[Ankamius]

jesus

[Ankamius]

eh, I guess

I want to see Pine's case though

[Ankamius]

you mean scumclaim?

[Ankamius]

Lets Give Chicka a chance to shoot her way up the townreads so to speak?

Chicka.. You have to choose between shooting Mom And Koki.

Pine will be lynched.and we have TGP to confirm the survivor .

Does this shine and Sparkle with Everybody?

^ ok with this

[Ankamius]

If Mafmen had the entire team pegged and I had the gamestate pegged, I'd be pretty damn satisfied with that

[Ankamius]

means whoever Chickadee doesn't shoot, you masonize

[Ankamius]

or alternatively, if Chickadee goes rogue and shoots me or something, we have you masonize one and instalynch confscum chickadee

[Ankamius]

btw

me dying today is objectively only good for scum

so

[Ankamius]

game is over anyways lol

[Ankamius]

I checked for that, it's not

[Ankamius]

Honestly, this setup isn't necessarily broken, just swingy

Scum just got extremely unlucky this game, especially with last night. Literally the best possible scenario for town happened and it singlehandedly lost scum the game.

[Ankamius]

And yes, Pine needs to fullclaim immediately

Not fullclaiming is a scumclaim.

[Ankamius]

Oh, the kill?

That's part of it, yes. The scumkill definitely helps us.

But even then, town still has a huge advantage coming into day three, even with only one mislynch instead of two.

[Ankamius]

Anyways

If we lynch scum today, it's impossible for scum to win.
If TGP successfully masonizes among the unconfirmeds, it's impossible for scum to win.
If Chickadee has a shot today, it's impossible for scum to win.

I don't see how scum can win this game anymore unless there explicitly is extreme bastardry going on.

[Ankamius]

So:

Chickadee: Your shotpool is Momrangal/Pine/Kokichi Oma. Not shooting in that pool is a scumclaim.
TGP: Same thing, your masonize pool is within Chickadee/Momrangal/Pine/Kokichi Oma

That is our lynch pool.

We easily catch all the scum within this pool with all the tools we have.

[Ankamius]

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Don't bother Kokichi, I'm literally confirmed town.

[Ankamius]

Because I got masonized last night.

[Ankamius]

Actually yeah, is chick shoots, then tomorrow is 2/4 with 4 confirmed town.

If chick doesn't shoot then it's 2/5 tomorrow with a presumably dead tgp. and 4 confirmed town.

say we lynch the town, 2/4 going in to the night. Unless scum have shenanigans which they could it's 1/3 the next day with 3 confirmed town is a win.
If scum have my first submitted role then it could be 2/2 on the final day, probably with me dead, so there can't be a shootout.

So yeah we need full claims from kok and pine.

the game may be over. But there is a chance for them.

Extreme spaghetti has to happen (town-chickadee shooting conftown for example) for town to lose this.

[Ankamius]

Well, who would be the nexus then?

[Ankamius]

Everyone but Pine/Kokichi's roles are confirmed to be true.

Unless the nexus has overlap with someone's role, then it can only be those two and it can therefore be worked around.

[Ankamius]

There's technically a non-zero chance that TGP is also scum, but that would require another neighborizing role (since I can confirm that he

neighborized

me) that doesn't have a masonizer shot.

[Ankamius]

Well

Let's just wait to see if one gets claimed or not before we speculate about it too much.

[Ankamius]

Tick tock Kokichi

[Ankamius]

I was fucking around until everyone unconfirmed came in and did their opening play at least

I wasn't trying to pressure you at all necessarily

[Ankamius]

Espeonage, StefanB, Alonzo, and myself are all masonized.

TheGoldenParadox has a masonize shot that he can use today.
TheGoldenParadox and myself also have a neighborhood with just us two, so we can have the masonize action be public to the masons, but private to everyone else.

If scum dies today, scum can no longer win because of TGP's role (scum HAVE to kill me tonight in that case, any other shot is useless to them).

I'd have to calculate farther if we don't catch scum today, but I think town's chances are still very high in that case. TGP's shot is still going to go through and the masons will have the information of whether that shot went through or not regardless of what happens, so town should be in a great spot even if I die and that direct line of communication is cut.

[Ankamius]

The game is also over if Chickadee successfully shoots today.

[Ankamius]

TGP is technically not 100% confirmed. I'm judging based on him being in the lynchpool just in case.

[Ankamius]

Other point

If TGP's masonize shot goes through, we wouldn't have five masons, we'd have six.

[Ankamius]

I mean... TGP is a confirmed neighborizer since I was neighborized at the end of yesterday.

He technically isn't a confirmed masonizer at this point. It's not impossible that the role was tampered with.

[Ankamius]

That said, I still do think it's 99% chance to be genuine. I only keep that 1% in mind so this can't turn into a scum win solely because we assumed he was that 99%

[Ankamius]

IIRC a 2-shot neighborizer that can be used in any phase except for d1 and n1, and a 1-shot masonizer that can be used in any phase starting d3

[Ankamius]

OK FUCK A TOWN MEMBER IS AT L-1
shoot
ok
let's claim, there are many facets to my role
first, I am informed. I am told something about the setup at the start of each Day. Day 1 I learned why it took so long to send roles - reviewer replies were slow, mutant was lazy and it was very hard to balance, and it's still probably broken.
Day 2 I learned that there are 4 players that have both of their roles in the game.
I'm also a 3-shot neighborizer that cannot neighborize d1 or n1. Not going to say who I neighborized unless y'all think I should.
I'm also 1-shot masonizer that has to wait until d3 to do this. I get one chance to masonize someone, if mafia, the action fails.
Lastly, I'm an amne. I'm not sure how this works, but i lose memory after using all abilities. I get another shot of the ability I used last if healed by the doctor. Mutant said THE doctor, so I'm thinking there's one.

Here

I got the shots wrong, oh well

[Ankamius]

I'm neighbors with TGP.

The rest of us are confirmed masons with each other.

[Ankamius]

Nope, I was masonized.

I don't want to go into what exactly happened since scum would get a lot more use out of that than the non-mason town would.

[Ankamius]

Well... to be clear since this can be inferred anyways, I was masonized at daybreak.

[Ankamius]

I'm going to go sleep in the meantime

[Ankamius]

Don't shoot yet.

[Ankamius]

He hasn't said anything in the neighborhood yet

[Ankamius]

Don't answer here

[Ankamius]

It wasn't Pine

I'd rather have Chickadee shoot that slot first to make sure if whether there is a shot available or not.

[Ankamius]

It honestly just makes the most sense, plus with a townflip, you're essentially an honorary mason.

[Ankamius]

FTR

If that shot hits true, the best neighborize target is Alonzo

[Ankamius]

It's up to you, just keep in mind that I might necessarily have a really short shelf life because of my role.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

I agree

[Ankamius]

Lol

[Ankamius]

Sorry guys, I was awful

[Ankamius]

Personal PT

[Ankamius]

You snowed me good, rangal

good job

[Ankamius]

Even during night 2, my townread on Kokichi was already waning since my initial townread reasons looked a

lot

less town when I looked at it from a TGP-town mindset

But even after rethinking, the townread on you still made a lot of sense

I specifically told TGP to masonize you because I was that convinced you were town :/

[Ankamius]

(tbf, I specifically wanted the mason shot to go through because it was one of the checks that avoided a potential scum win entirely, so it legitimately would have been really really bad for town if Kokichi hadn't gotten lynched with that mason shot. We were really lucky for that since I would've basically gamethrown with that play otherwise)