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EspeciallyTheLies · Sat May 12, 2018 3:53 am

In post 1361, eddie wrote:
In post 1359, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 1350, eddie wrote:etl, is jingle scum?
I strongly don't think so but i don't know why you're asking someone who you think is scum... especially considering i've held that belief for the majority of this game so far.
maybe it's because I've said for ages I'd mostly let you and jingle sort each other... nah couldn't be. I'm just scum floundering.

but if you think i'm scum why trust anything i have to say? and if you think jingle is scum why do you keep saying is logic is bad as opposed to saying he's twisting the narrative? to me it seems like you know both of us are town already.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat May 12, 2018 3:54 am

also i'm pretty sure i spent a good portion if not all of the porkens wagon trying to get penguin lynched instead...

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat May 12, 2018 3:55 am

just saying.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat May 12, 2018 3:57 am

AND if you're treating this as mountainous and think the investigations are useless, why do you even care about us trying to get some utility out of them?

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat May 12, 2018 4:00 am

jingle i'm not sure i agree with your NKA conclusions simply because titus is right in that if i was scum i'd kill whoever i wanted anyway, and that choice would always be the one that gave me and my team the best position to hide from. so to be quite honest with you it makes me a bit suspicious that you're so confident in your townread of me.

though to be fair, i would have shot sgba simply for being the most widely townread slot

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat May 12, 2018 4:01 am

or you

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat May 12, 2018 5:11 am

no. what i said was that jingles conclusion of lock town is suspicious.

of course i'm obvtown that doesn't mean jingle shouldn't still be paranoid about me at this point in the game. his lack of paranoia is disturbing.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat May 12, 2018 5:33 am

overall no i think he's pretty town but the lack of paranoia gives me some doubt.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat May 12, 2018 5:36 am

like if i'm wrong about one or more of the scum team i would probably want to look at jingle more closely. but as of right now, he's not a major consideration for me.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat May 12, 2018 5:38 am

anyway i had to work a few hours this morning and i'm done now. be back monday.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sun May 13, 2018 4:54 am

no girl. i'm not convinced at all. i stand by the scum team of {ank, a50, titus}

EspeciallyTheLies · Sun May 13, 2018 4:54 am

gork * autocorrect

EspeciallyTheLies · Sun May 13, 2018 5:03 am

In post 1432, Gorkington wrote:i dont really think scumAnk comes in and immediately pokes me in the face like that.
especially not like that.

would be one thing to ask me some questions to try to look like shes doing something but that really doesnt look like what they were doing.

[and i honestly feel gross about enough of the playerlist that im kind of happy to hold on to something tangible like this :')]

[[though i have to admit that i havent really dug into your penguin case
so i'll try not to be lazy about that when i have some time in between workstuff im doing this weekend.]]

yeah unless they mentioned your "lack of presence" in the scum thread and he's trying to use it to get rid of you.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sun May 13, 2018 5:09 am

ok. i strongly believe you are wrong, but *shrug* titus/a50 scum flips will prove it.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sun May 13, 2018 6:43 am

In post 1439, Gorkington wrote:if you were to ignore that ank is PP's slot, would you also be finding their content thus far scummy independent of that? or no?

yes i do actually because all he's done is throw baseless suspicions on locktown and his top town reads are my top scumreads and i know he's not that terrible. so.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sun May 13, 2018 6:44 am

she* i'm sorry ank i didn't realize.

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon May 14, 2018 1:37 am

I would prefer to lynch one of Titus or A50 today as one scumflip will confirm the other and I have strong scumreads on both.

Obviously the penguin slot, now Ank, is my top choice but apparently people are believing her try-hard nonsense more than they should.

So between Titus and A50, which is it gonna be, guys? All this theory/setup spec is bs until we can actually do it. We lynch one and cop the other tonight.

I'm not really interested in doing or talking about anything else today as I need one of these flips to move forward.

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon May 14, 2018 2:08 am

In post 1499, Draynth wrote:no way in hell you can be that confident I'm scum based on the reasoning

.....

Why does this sound like scum caught for the wrong reasons... instead of town shutting down a bad case...

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon May 14, 2018 2:15 am

jfc this game... why is every townie looking person doomed to devolve into a scummy piece of doody...

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon May 14, 2018 3:01 am

In post 1505, Ankamius wrote:I promise I'll do more catching up today, if not all of it.

mhm.

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon May 14, 2018 10:15 am

In post 1512, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1500, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 1499, Draynth wrote:no way in hell you can be that confident I'm scum based on the reasoning
.....

Why does this sound like scum caught for the wrong reasons... instead of town shutting down a bad case...
Reminder: I'm scum, so Draynth must be town. Get your shit together, my friend.

yeah because pre-flip association reads are always top-notch

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon May 14, 2018 10:18 am

although a better question is why are you jumping to his defense...?

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 15, 2018 1:39 am

Nothing's happening until one of the three flips.

@mod:

VC please

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 15, 2018 5:29 am

UNOFFICIAL VC

Titus (4)

Punreader, Stop Getting Banned Again, EspeciallyTheLies, eddie -- L-2

Nosferatu (4)

Jingle, Titus, Almost50, Nosferatu -- L-2

Not Voting (3)

Draynth, Ankamius, Gorkington

Day two deadline is Thursday May 24, 6 PM PST. (expired on 2018-05-24 18:00:00). With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch!

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

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EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 15, 2018 5:30 am

Well this is fun.

Jingle what are you doing?

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 15, 2018 5:31 am

Lynch Titus today, cop Nos tonight. I'm fine with this. Can we get a move on?

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 15, 2018 5:32 am

In post 1529, eddie wrote:I'd rather cop Pun but Nos is fine.

I don't care who we cop as long as we're all on the same page. But since they are fully competing counterwagons, it makes sense to cop the counter.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 15, 2018 5:40 am

Nos, stop self-voting and vote for Titus, please. ty.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 15, 2018 6:02 am

In post 1533, Ankamius wrote:I don't really approve of either wagon tbh

Then start a different one.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 15, 2018 6:02 am

Rally for your opinion. You're not doing anything.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 15, 2018 6:38 am

The hydra is not scum, Titus. I know you're better than this as town.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 15, 2018 6:39 am

And honestly if they are, or if Jingle is scum, great, they deserve the win cuz I'm probably never going to lynch them.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 15, 2018 6:40 am

But I also know that when you truly believe you have found scum, you will smash anyone that gets in your way.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 15, 2018 6:48 am

In post 1543, Titus wrote:
In post 1542, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:But I also know that when you truly believe you have found scum, you will smash anyone that gets in your way.
I am trying to but I can't bluff any night action. Without town cooperation, I can't do shit with 3 scum voteparking my ass. I am trying to motivate people but :/

When have you ever had a problem getting people to support you? You have shown no conviction about anything except "hydra annoy me bleh". And I don't know what you mean by "I can't bluff any night action"?

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 15, 2018 6:59 am

In post 1544, Titus wrote:You know I am town. You can serve me humble pie if you're right. If I am we get scum. Keeping me alive is a no lose proposition for town you as town you knows I am better later.

No. I don't think you're town. Wagon analysis, ISO, behavior and VCA indicate you are more likely to be scum than not. I honestly don't know what this new style of play is that you have going on but it's not doing you any favors. If you're town, I'd think you'd want to be read more easily by being your usual loud town self, but you're not doing that. You held on to a stale argument for 80% of the game and then appealed to my town reads and agreed with everything I've said to try to appease me, which is totally not town you. In fact, it's something you've done more than once in previous games where I was town and you were not.

Lynching you today clears up a LOT. The night actions are practically useless and I don't really care that much about them. I'm going by good old fashioned scum/town hunting to solve this game.

Punreader and SGBA are absolutely, 100%

NOT

getting lynched today, even if

I

wanted them to be. Eddie is the only one in your list who is a slight possibility if ANYONE gave me any good reason that Eddie is more likely scum than you, A50 or Ankamius/penguin slot. They haven't, and it's unlikely they will before one of my preferred 3 is lynched first.

So.. that's what I have to say about that.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 15, 2018 11:19 am

how many games experience do you have with gork, ank?

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 15, 2018 11:19 am

In post 1559, Jingle wrote:
In post 1527, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Well this is fun.

Jingle what are you doing?
Uhhh. Gamesolving?

In post 1528, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Lynch Titus today, cop Nos tonight. I'm fine with this. Can we get a move on?
I really do prefer the opposite order. There's a slight chance I'm wrong on the hydra read and Nos is partners with the hydra. There is a 0% chance in my mind that Titus is scum with the hydra. Thus, the parity cop is stronger on Titus than on Nos.

Nos asked who she could be partners with, and of the people in my PoE pool the only one that has even slight evidence against them being partners is pun.

i understand why you want this. but i don't have a lot of trust in the parity thing.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 15, 2018 11:22 am

what's "several"? because gork is a notoriously difficult read. i've hydra'd with a bunch of people but there's only a few of them i could confidently spot as scum.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 15, 2018 1:41 pm

In post 1578, Ankamius wrote:What do you mean what tells? I literally just said that I've only ever seen him as town.

I've also just stated (with proof unless you want to go through my entire game history too) that I've always been able to townread Gork early on and keep it at a townread for the whole game every time I've seen him.

And what's happening this game?

His entrance was scummy
His interactions with Titus was scummy
His interactions with Nosferatu was scummy

I'd have to check my notes again, but I don't think there's much that gave me townvibes on him.

ok so my question to you isn't what's scummy but what's specifically missing here from his town games?

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 17, 2018 1:59 am

unofficial vc

Titus (4)

Punreader, Stop Getting Banned Again, EspeciallyTheLies, eddie, L-2

Nosferatu (3)

Jingle, Titus, Almost50

Almost50 (2)

Ankamius, Nosferatu, Gorkington

Not Voting (4)

Draynth

Day two deadline is Thursday May 24, 6 PM PST. (expired on 2018-05-24 18:00:00). With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch!

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

meh. I'd rather get rid of Titus today. Not sure why this split is happening. It's weird

I mean, if Titus is town, you're suggesting that one or more of these is scum:
{Punreader, SGBA, ETL, Eddie}

And, no, I don't think so. Eddie would be the only possibility for me, which tells me scum is elsewhere. Like, on Nos. Even if I didn't already scumread A50 and Titus, this is indicative.

THE PROBLEM I HAVE

is that A50 is at least posting something that I can look into. Titus isn't. I don't care what anyone says, they don't know her as well. I have caught Titus every single time she's been scum. And every single time people want to fight me on lynching her for *reasons*. It's nonsense.

So I'm not moving my vote. Titus goes today. We all cop A50 tonight, and Jingle does his magic with the parity stuff tomorrow. k? k.

Also Jingle I need you to seriously justify why you're voting Nos and not Titus right now. Like, big time words that make sense. Otherwise I'm going to start believing that you are in fact the third here.

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 17, 2018 5:54 am

In post 1674, Ankamius wrote:ETL, we're winning A50 because I'm rallying for it like you asked me to.

I'm very convinced A50 is scum and not convinced that Titus is scum.

Ok. I'm honestly fine with either, just would prefer Titus. If I significantly disagreed with A50 I'd be fighting it harder.

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 17, 2018 5:56 am

In post 1676, Ankamius wrote:Titus needed to be lynched yesterday for it to not be bad for the gamestate. I don't think there's time for it without being very sure because this gamestate stalled for a damn reason

I don't like this argument at all. "Needed to be lynched yesterday". No. It's D2 in a plurality game. There's no urgency to make a lynch happen because it's gonna happen with or without us.

What are you going to say tomorrow? I don't have that much faith in the parity thing, so copping Titus doesn't give me as much utility as Jingle thinks it will. If you think she needed to be lynched yesterday, you're basically telling me she will never be lynched.

If she's scum like I believe her to be, you are deliberately declaring a town loss

on day two

. Stop it.

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 17, 2018 7:58 am

Why is eddie scum more than the others?

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 17, 2018 8:23 am

In post 1691, Gorkington wrote:how hard are you prepared to eat shit when i flip town for calling me stupid for pointing out how dumb your pre-flip NKA is?

Hey I've done this.

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 17, 2018 8:30 am

In post 1686, Titus wrote:
In post 1678, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 1676, Ankamius wrote:Titus needed to be lynched yesterday for it to not be bad for the gamestate. I don't think there's time for it without being very sure because this gamestate stalled for a damn reason
I don't like this argument at all. "Needed to be lynched yesterday". No. It's D2 in a plurality game. There's no urgency to make a lynch happen because it's gonna happen with or without us.

What are you going to say tomorrow? I don't have that much faith in the parity thing, so copping Titus doesn't give me as much utility as Jingle thinks it will. If you think she needed to be lynched yesterday, you're basically telling me she will never be lynched.

If she's scum like I believe her to be, you are deliberately declaring a town loss
on day two
. Stop it.
Why are you acting like the sky is falling rather than intelligently talking to me?

I'm.. not? I've been pretty calm here tbh..

You say you cannot engage with me,

Never said that. Quote it.

you ignore me,

I don't? I've been responsive to you most all of the game.

you base your entire worldview on a premise that is wrong,

Which premise?

you refuse to clarify with Jingle the parity cop and how that works.

where the f is he? Cuz he hasn't been here to do that since I started saying I don't care about it.

Are you at this point just tunnelling me because you can or our history than anything here? Normally as either alignment, you aren't this circular or noisy so what gives?

No I just don't really care anymore. I'm bored with this day and want things to move along. I don't feel that my reads can progress any further without a flip. If it's you, that would be preferable because I can see your partners delaying your lynch far too long - like Ank is trying to do - and if it's not then that's still helpful for me but not as helpful.

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 17, 2018 8:30 am

In post 1695, Gorkington wrote:i dont think that your play is as nearly oriented towards gamethrowing as the way ank has approached me all of today.

Game throwing?

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 17, 2018 8:31 am

In post 1697, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 1695, Gorkington wrote:i dont think that your play is as nearly oriented towards gamethrowing as the way ank has approached me all of today.
Game throwing?

What is your read on Ank?

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 17, 2018 8:32 am

In post 1688, Titus wrote:The whole Titus wagon, minus you, scumreads each other but links up to vote me.

This is the most interesting thing you've said all game.

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 17, 2018 8:46 am

In post 1700, Gorkington wrote:p-edit: im townreading ank.
i feel like weve literally had a back and forth on this >.>

Yeah well i'm forgetful and lazy, so..

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 17, 2018 8:46 am

In post 1701, Gorkington wrote:if im just going to have to deal with this tomorrow regardless of who flips what today i would frankly much rather be lynched now so i dont have to read this game anymore.

no stop it. go take a break. have some tea.

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 17, 2018 12:29 pm

JINGLE. so the parity thing. all it tells us is that titus and sgba are or are not the same alignment. is that right?

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 17, 2018 12:30 pm

titus. nowhere in that quote is there anything about not being able to engage you or analye things...? you're the one being crazy.

i'd vote a50. but not nos. so.

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 17, 2018 12:32 pm

also to your #1 - did not say that. i was saying that ank was just gonna give me the same lame ass excuse about lynching you tomorrow and not let me lynch you

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 17, 2018 12:33 pm

it's not personal. like i said, i heart you and we friends.

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 17, 2018 12:37 pm

anyway if there are responses it's gonna wait til tomorrow cuz i'm exhausted. you ever been so tired and hungry you ate cole slaw with your fingers cuz legs are jelly and can't get to silver drawer? yah me neither.

pedit Seeeee

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 17, 2018 2:17 pm

y'all i'm depressed. but. i will reread this whole game with a fresh perspective and give my thoughts. just give me a day or so.

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri May 18, 2018 5:36 am

what's the vc

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri May 18, 2018 5:38 am

Ok.

VOTE: Almost50

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri May 18, 2018 5:40 am

I don't know how much I like this at the moment tbh. Makes me think maybe all my reads are wrong and this is a scum wagon on town.

p-edit:

Yes, scan Titus.

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri May 18, 2018 5:40 am

In post 1814, Ankamius wrote:Also ETL where are your thoughts at right now?

Everyone is scum. Except like.. SGBA and Jingle.

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri May 18, 2018 5:40 am

I don't know what to think of your activity level and effort in this game, Ank.

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri May 18, 2018 5:45 am

Nosferatu (2)Jingle , Almost50 ,

this has been like this since the start of the day. Makes me nervous about Jingle. Makes me think maybe if A50 flips, I should really be looking at Jingle instead.

HOWEVER....

Titus (3)Punreader , EspeciallyTheLies , Stop Getting Banned Again ,

These are town reads on a scumread.... so....

Almost50 (4)Ankamius , Nosferatu , Gorkington , Titus , L-2

This ends up looking like the scum counter to lynching Titus, and maybe A50

ISN'T

scum but Titus is. Perhaps with Nos? That actually makes quite a bit of sense if you notice the votes - A50 vote nos, Titus and Nos vote A50. They can't lynch Jingle, so.. go after the low hanging fruit to save Titus.

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri May 18, 2018 5:46 am

So maybe, the team is Titus, Nos and ??? eddie.

Can we go back to Titus please and scan Nos instead?

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri May 18, 2018 5:48 am

In post 1821, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Makes me think maybe if A50 flips
scum

EBWOP - I a word.

p-edit: I don't get that feeling no. I think scum are taking the opportunity.

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri May 18, 2018 5:48 am

Though an argument could be made for youScum in place of eddieScum.

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri May 18, 2018 5:49 am

Though I just don't know if I see all 3 scums on the counterwagon. Seems too risky for VCA, which Titus would know. I think at least one is off.

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri May 18, 2018 5:50 am

In order for that assumption to work, Nos must necessarily be partners with Titus. So if A50 flips town, that is where I want to look first.

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri May 18, 2018 6:03 am

In post 1828, Ankamius wrote:Then who's the scum on it? Nos directly voted because I asked him to, and Titus partially was coerced on (although as either alignment I'd expect her to hop on the moment the wagon jumped to three people anyways).

The other one is Gork, who I've already mentioned on his associations with A50 and had just... hopped on.

I think Gork is checked tf out. Nos is being a sheep to hide.

Are you trying to say that Titus is town?

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri May 18, 2018 6:39 am

In post 1833, Titus wrote:Perhaps maybe you are wrong on me ETL? Your entire VC analysis presupposes I am scum again. You have never really given a fair shake at all. What do you think is with the gamestate if I am town?

You should know me better than this, Titus. I

always always always

play my own devil's advocate. He asked me what I thought about the wagon on A50. I told him. Of course it supposes you are scum because you're a scumread of mine. Stop trying to make it seem like I'm in some kind of death tunnel cuz you know I don't do deathtunnels.

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri May 18, 2018 9:58 am

ok. it's a bad theory then

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat May 19, 2018 1:29 pm

jesus pun gimme the tl;dr

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat May 19, 2018 2:40 pm

townreading OTM.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat May 19, 2018 4:39 pm

In post 1897, OnTheMark wrote:
In post 1896, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:townreading OTM.
Do you agree with the Jingle plan?

cop titus? yah.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat May 19, 2018 7:10 pm

how is jingle scum if ank is? connect the dots for me there

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 12:04 am

scum on titus

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 1:58 am

So I'm either a paranoid cop or a random cop. Or a dumb cop. What's that one? The opposite one. Insane.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 1:59 am

I have learned nothing

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 2:06 am

VOTE: punreader

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 4:46 am

In post 1975, Ankamius wrote:VOTE: eddie

NO KILL PUN WITH ME

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 4:47 am

In post 1986, OnTheMark wrote:SGBA kill means SGBA was a loyal cop

How in the hell could

anyone

know this even now??

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 4:49 am

In post 1987, eddie wrote:
In post 1207, eddie wrote:town sgba

In post 1951, eddie wrote:town on titus

s
So we are random cop or Titus is town, ya?

Random, naive or sane cop given SGBA flip.

I got scum on both so I am either random, paranoid or insane.

p-edit:

@mark

Yeah but they were a universal townread. I think that's more dangerous to scum than anything else in this setup.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 4:50 am

In post 1989, OnTheMark wrote:the ETL hydra

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 4:52 am

In post 2006, OnTheMark wrote:Namely that she doesn’t push punreader

I had him as town....?

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 4:55 am

In post 2013, eddie wrote:ETL, Jingle read /now/?

Still think town as of this moment - would like to reread posts re: A50, but don't think it will change much. I'll try to get that in sometime over the next day or so before I go completely out of access.

V/LA for the next 5 days unfortunately. Month end again and then camping this weekend.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 5:01 am

In post 2043, Ankamius wrote:Oh while you're here ETL

Can you explain to me why Pun is a better wagon

I honestly couldn't tell you. It's one of those things where I just go - that's the one.

Resisting the A50 lynch is top of the list though. He didn't do it overtly either which makes it worse.

In post 1860, Punreader wrote:Thus why Titus flipping town is loosely but not strongly evidence of Almost50 being town

He goes on to say he would prefer a Titus lynch. He preemptively protects A50 from lynch by saying if Titus is town, then A50 is, which was actually the other way around for me because A50 consistently defended Titus against all reason. << textbook whiteknighting in retrospect. If pun is actually scum, he'd know Titus would flip town, he'd get a town lynch and by extension protect his buddy.

The parity results, from how I understood the theory, supports Titus-town = punScum

So.

Let's hang him.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 5:03 am

In post 2036, OnTheMark wrote:You are/were a universal townread. There were a lot. Why the one who was already investigated then?

If I'm right about punreader, it's perhaps because I was strongly townreading him yesterday.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 5:35 am

In post 2052, OnTheMark wrote:Titus town does not equal Pun scum. That is not how the parity theory works.

No. What I said was the parity results support my theory. Parity results support Titus town. If titus town, pun is scum. See above.

In post 1600, Stop Getting Banned Again wrote:
In post 1517, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 1512, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1500, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 1499, Draynth wrote:no way in hell you can be that confident I'm scum based on the reasoning
.....

Why does this sound like scum caught for the wrong reasons... instead of town shutting down a bad case...
Reminder: I'm scum, so Draynth must be town. Get your shit together, my friend.
yeah because pre-flip association reads are always top-notch
"Let Me Be Your Chainsaw".

<snip>

~tn5421

This actually points to OTM as A50 buddy as well.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 5:39 am

In post 2045, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:The parity
results
, from how I understood the theory, supports Titus-town = punScum

Like... it's literally right there in words, exactly as I meant it. Did you deliberately misrep what I said to discredit it?

p-edit: I have no idea. I'm trying to figure out if I'm dealing with misguided town or blatant scum.

p-edit: I'm sure someone can/will... I'm also too busy.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 5:42 am

In post 2060, eddie wrote:ETL, are you solid on Ank town with a history of reading them right?

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 6:02 am

In post 2073, OnTheMark wrote:Those aren’t the only options.

Representing it as such because I don’t agree with your scumread is disingenuous as fuck.

What the hell are you even talking about....?

You're either town or you're scum.

Those

ARE

the only options

. Which one you are likely to be will change how I perceive your actions.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 6:20 am

In post 2075, OnTheMark wrote:However you’re leaving every option that I am bad as the only options.

??? No I believe that

if

you are town, you are misguided. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to express it.

In post 2075, OnTheMark wrote:Neither of those options are right as no one is going after Jingle for their blatant attempt to save A50 in vain their terribad setup spec.

Both A50 and Jingle were railing against common sense. Why? Because Jingle is scum.

Why was SGBA killed over any other obvTown because Jingle is scum.

1) If you're going to call someone's setup spec "terribad", you better be prepared to explain not only why they are wrong and what the correct spec would be. You haven't done that.

2) Setup spec != scum. I think that's irrelevant. If you believe it's a scumtactic, show us how and explain why it would be a viable scumtactic. Otherwise what you're saying is garbage and meaningless.

3) Do you believe Jingle is scum simply because he resisted the A50 wagon? Do you believe this is an "always applicable" scumtell? Do you believe that Jingle would refuse to bus a widely scumread partner if they were buddies? If so, can you show me an example of scum-Jingle ever doing that in such a way that would make you believe that is part of his meta?

4) You have yet to explain

why

SGBA-kill means Jingle-scum.

5) I disagree with you. From my POV you are either wrong town, or scum trying to change the narrative. From my POV,

those

are

the only two options.

.

6) From your POV, because I disagree with you, I must be scum. <<< this is not logical thinking. At the very least the possibility that I may be town who disagrees with you should be present, but it's doesn't seem to be. To me that says you are either confbiased town who will use bad reads to move your other reads forward into more bad reads, or you simply don't care what's true, and only want to make sure you spread as much suspicion as you can on slots you know will be difficult lynches. I have yet to determine which one you are.

In the meantime, I'm concerned with lynching punreader.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 7:03 am

ok but how would anyone have a clue what they might be? everyone in this game could be one of 3 sanities

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 7:08 am

In post 2080, OnTheMark wrote:Furthermore SGBA is random cop or true cop.

Like, explain your logic on this. They only got one result - scum on Jingle. That means they could be any of the 4 possible sanities:

If Jingle town: SGBA can be random, paranoid or insane.
If Jingle scum: SGBA can be random, naive or sane.

Both scenarios tell us nothing at this point.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 7:11 am

In post 2087, OnTheMark wrote:By giving us confirmation SGBA is town is freaking huge.

Scum had to have a reason to do that.

Sure. But you're saying the only reason you can think of is that they thought he was a sane cop, which is only possible if you also assume that Jingle is scum. To me that sounds like you started with the assumption that Jingle is scum and went from there to prove it, not the other way around. <<< This is the definition of confirmation bias.

I'm not saying there isn't a possibility he's scum. I'm saying I really, really, really don't think so. He's one of my best friends on this site and I tend to read him fairly accurately, but most accurately when he's scum. There's always going to be that odd game where I scumread town-Jingle out of paranoia. I don't believe he's scum here.

My issue with your logic is that there are missing bits that you seem to be ignoring.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 7:12 am

In post 2089, OnTheMark wrote:
In post 2088, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 2080, OnTheMark wrote:Furthermore SGBA is random cop or true cop.
Like, explain your logic on this. They only got one result - scum on Jingle. That means they could be any of the 4 possible sanities:

If Jingle town: SGBA can be random, paranoid or insane.
If Jingle scum: SGBA can be random, naive or sane.

Both scenarios tell us nothing at this point.
If Jingle scum only random or sane are things

He can’t be naive. He got a scum on Jingle for his check.

If Jingle is town he’s paranoid or random.

You're right. The second line should say:
If Jingle scum: SGBA can be random,

paranoid

or sane.

However, the end result is the same - 3 possible sanities for both scenarios.

p-edit - Yes everyone knows what I'm referring to when I talk about SGBA's results on D2.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 7:14 am

In post 2093, OnTheMark wrote:I have no missing bits.

You’re literally posting bullshit.

It's not bullshit. Both scenarios involve SGBA being one of three possible sanities. You're saying that the

only reason

you can think of that SGBA would be killed is because the scumteam somehow cheated and learned he's in no way a paranoid cop.... AND assuming that Jingle is scum.

I don't know if this argument is worth continuing if you seriously cannot understand what I'm telling you.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 7:17 am

Not to mention the fact that NKA is super speculative and near meaningless here... but it seems like that is your only argument.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 7:18 am

In post 2096, OnTheMark wrote:Jingle stopped the double check of same target to not narrow down his ass pure and simple. Jingle fear killed SGBA

???????????

Jingle wasn't targeted? And we still have the same results we would have gotten had someone else been killed...????

Do you honestly not understand how the setup works or...

p-edit:

HOW? EXPLAIN THE LOGIC IN THAT CONCLUSION.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 7:22 am

In post 2101, OnTheMark wrote:Jingle tried to save A50, merited a cop check from the dead guy.

What the hell dude... why the fuck would SGBA

not check Titus

?

So now, your assumptions are as follows:

* Jingle is scum
* The scumteam determined ~somehow~ that SGBA must be either a random cop or a sane cop, and definitely not a paranoid cop.
* The scumteam determined that SGBA was going to check Jingle despite being 100% on-board with The Plan^TM

Is this correct?

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 7:22 am

Oh add to the list of assumptions..

* Jingle wouldn't bus is obvscum partner who was going down in flames and definitely getting lynched.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 7:24 am

In post 2102, OnTheMark wrote:Omg SGBA targeted Jingle.

In a world where we repeat checks SGBA repeats on Jingle.

WHY ARE YOU MAKING THIS ASSUMPTION???????????????

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 7:26 am

In post 2101, OnTheMark wrote:Jingle tunneling obvTown Nos despite being better than that.

Also fuck no on nos being anywhere close to "obvtown". gtfo...

p-edit: omg. I give up.

This is the dumbest list of outer space assumptions to reach a shit conclusion I have ever seen in my whole life.

It puts Titus Moon Logic in whole other fucking realm.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 7:28 am

In post 2116, Ankamius wrote:Welcome to my world ETL

I'm leaning towards this being town more than anything because I honestly don't believe scum would be this fucking ridiculous. If they really wanted to lynch Jingle there are far better arguments they could concoct.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 7:30 am

In post 2118, OnTheMark wrote:Saba was killed for suspecting Jingle.
Ginngie was killed for suspecting A50

This isn’t rocket science

No. It's noob scum hunting methods that you should have ditched ages ago. Please stop. I'm done trying to get you to understand why you can't make 10 assumptions to fit the conclusion you want to be true.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 7:32 am

In post 2119, OnTheMark wrote:And even if it is moonlogic
That doesn’t make it wrong

It literally makes zero sense as a logical thought process. No scumteam that includes Jingle would operate that way. Even assuming Jingle is scum, you have to make way too many other mental leaps to arrive at the narrative you've come up with.

I'm done with this dude. Seriously. Try convincing someone else because I'm not having it anymore.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 7:47 am

In post 2133, Ankamius wrote:A50 flipping town

he was not town...

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 8:15 am

In post 2154, jjh927 wrote:Who's scumreading one but not the other

In post 2155, Ankamius wrote:Me

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO what a great question.

Ank which one of us is scumz!!!??

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 8:23 am

In post 2163, OnTheMark wrote:Ms continually just has this “math sucks rep” that I can’t shake.

If I ever have an alt last more than two seconds I obliterate.

I didn't know you were an alt and I don't know MathBlade

And you still came at me with moonlogic...

so....

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 8:26 am

I following along with you so far until you started building the tower of a thousand assumptions.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 8:29 am

In post 2169, OnTheMark wrote:Jingle’s bad “A50 is town” case for starters.

Do you genuinely think town!Jingle writes that?

Do you genuinely think town!Jingle pitches a suboptimal plan?

Of course I think townJingle can be wrong and be convinced in his wrongness... just like any town. But if you give him a chance he eventually gets it right.

Hard-defending a sinking buddy isn't his style at all though.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 8:33 am

In post 2169, OnTheMark wrote:The majority of it you have outright ignored and called “moonlogic” and attacked me and not continued on punreader.

I did not. I specifically went out of my way to try to understand your stream of logic so I could figure out how you got there, and then I tried to fill in the holes for you, which you rejected and called me scum. Even then I continued to try to explain why your long list of assumptions is leading to bad conclusions but you still stuck to your story, still missing the point.

So then I called it moonlogic because

it isn't logical.

p-edit: No not at all!! I really like that jj came up with that question. I think it comes from a town perspective to be thinking about that kind of thing, and I am interested in hearing your response.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 8:36 am

Also I'm already voting punreader. What more can I do? I posted my thoughts about him.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 8:37 am

You guys suck by the way. I have gotten nothing done at work and now I have to go to the gym and come in stupid early tomorrow to make sure all these entries get made before AP runs

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 8:39 am

ank why did you make such wall!?

The first one would have been good enough to remind me what you thought.

Ok so if you think I'm town, do you believe I'm just blinded by Jingle's phantasmagorical awesomeness?

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 8:42 am

In post 2179, OnTheMark wrote:viewtopic.php?p=9506478#p9506478

Except Jingle would do just that.

There was universal consensus Xal would go down because of his tracker claim and he still defended it.

This was an anonymous alt game

Was he scum with xalxe?

Also look at his behavior in that game vs this one... there is a very stark difference.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 8:45 am

forget that game i dont even know who is who. i've only heard about it tangentially but i know Jingle was his usual disruptive scum self in that one.

OTM just vote punreader.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 23, 2018 11:12 am

In post 2200, OnTheMark wrote:Insane isn’t a part of the setup unless they changed it?

It’s isually sane random naive paranoid

In post 2201, Ankamius wrote:Go look again mark

In post 2202, OnTheMark wrote:Well it did lol

I am gonna have to redo my combinatorics later tonight then

omfg

But I'm scum because you have no missing bits right??

Also it's bullshit because just a few pages ago you were talking about sane and insane.

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 24, 2018 7:54 am

What if I said I had proof that you were scum, Eddie?

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 24, 2018 7:59 am

That's not the response I was looking for.

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 24, 2018 8:11 am

In post 2308, eddie wrote:I would 1v1 you with the force of a thousand nachos

That's better. No japalenos please

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 24, 2018 8:24 am

How is any of this actually relevant at the moment?

You both admit the results strongly indicate Titus is town, correct?

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 24, 2018 8:25 am

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EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 24, 2018 8:26 am

In post 2313, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:How is any of this actually relevant at the moment?

You both admit the results strongly indicate Titus is town, correct?

^ This was directed at Ank and Eddie.

OTM is on another planet so..

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 24, 2018 8:26 am

JINGLE

you too. If you agree Titus is town, you should be voting punreader.

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 24, 2018 8:26 am

And if you don't, and punreader flips red, you're next, my friend.

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 24, 2018 8:29 am

In post 2045, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 2043, Ankamius wrote:Oh while you're here ETL

Can you explain to me why Pun is a better wagon
I honestly couldn't tell you. It's one of those things where I just go - that's the one.

Resisting the A50 lynch is top of the list though. He didn't do it overtly either which makes it worse.

In post 1860, Punreader wrote:Thus why Titus flipping town is loosely but not strongly evidence of Almost50 being town
He goes on to say he would prefer a Titus lynch. He preemptively protects A50 from lynch by saying if Titus is town, then A50 is, which was actually the other way around for me because A50 consistently defended Titus against all reason. << textbook whiteknighting in retrospect. If pun is actually scum, he'd know Titus would flip town, he'd get a town lynch and by extension protect his buddy.

The parity results, from how I understood the theory, supports Titus-town = punScum

So.

Let's hang him.

In post 2046, Ankamius wrote:That makes a lot of sense, actually

UNVOTE: eddie
VOTE: Punreader

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 24, 2018 8:30 am

In post 2321, Ankamius wrote:I found shinies

Not all that glitters is gold.

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 24, 2018 8:36 am

In post 2324, OnTheMark wrote:Yeah I am not reading that long list and accounting for every player in that hydra

Otherwise nothing would get done

Just like you "didn't read the setup" but wanted to argue setup spec?

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri May 25, 2018 2:47 pm

TLDR. the iso button works for me just fine thanks. also i was saying a50 was whiteknighting titus.

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri May 25, 2018 2:48 pm

don't like the fearmongering though my friend

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri May 25, 2018 4:16 pm

i don't remember who's scum anymore.

replacements suck

i'll sheep jingle

EspeciallyTheLies · Sun May 27, 2018 5:47 am

or insane...

EspeciallyTheLies · Sun May 27, 2018 6:05 am

In post 2455, OnTheMark wrote:
In post 2453, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:or insane...
Insane only works if Titus scum,

The assumption was Titus town as I was referring to Jingle’s argument

you literally said if we assume titus is scum then those who got town results could only be random or naive............

if she's scum they must be random, naive or insane. if she town they must be random, naive or sane. how many times does this need to be clarified to you?

EspeciallyTheLies · Sun May 27, 2018 6:06 am

In post 2456, OnTheMark wrote:Wait no insane doesn’t work at all.

Else they would get scum on SGbA and none of the four did.

that is why she's town. jesus. just stop doing setup spec when you clearly have no idea what you're talking sbout

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 29, 2018 4:51 am

Jingle why areyou not voting?

I said I would sheep you but I can't if you're not voting. If you don't want Pun to die, then vote somewhere.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue May 29, 2018 4:51 am

In post 2516, OnTheMark wrote:I am debating taking you up on your offer Jingle.

Link me to a scum game you consider met indicative?

In post 2517, OnTheMark wrote:Preferably one you won and especially one where you got to end game and won.

Antihero redemption

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed May 30, 2018 8:08 am

bleh speculation and circumstance

i am so checked out

EspeciallyTheLies · Thu May 31, 2018 5:39 am

In post 2547, OnTheMark wrote:the most protown thing I can do is hammer a lynch at EOD so we have one

It's a plurality game, which means the largest wagon when day ends is the lynch.

EspeciallyTheLies · Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:34 am

the biggest issue for me is the massive amount of replacements. i need to reacquaint myself with everything. i haven't had the motivation and add to that reduced amount of time to actually engage at work.

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:37 am

Ank give me synopsis of the last few pages pls.

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:56 am

In post 2739, eddie wrote:there's a HUGE correlation considering what apathy causes is inactivity...

for me it's the replacements, and pun's novel-posts. the holiday weekend took my mind out of the game, and upon returning there were a shitton of posts i didn't care about reading. and since then i've just kind of been... like.. who the fuck is who... i don't remember who i was scumreading... it would take quite a bit of effort to figure that out and do i wanna/do i have the time? i suppose the proper thing for me to do would be to replace but i dont think i necessarily have to.. if i can get back in the game here.

don't think jingle is scum. 5% possibility he could be, but meh, not interested in lynching him.

i think eddie is town though.

pun knows their posts cause apathy and thus keep doing it, and using OTM to further the effect is exactly what i would expect from scum punreader.

concerned that titus is completely MIA but i suppose so have i been.

i dont mind copping jjh tonight if that's the big contention. lets lynch pun and cop jjh.

and tbh the resistance to lynching pun is quite telling.

Like... why has this been SUCH a struggle??? So many counter wagons have popped up in an effort to derail pun lynch.

think about that shit yall

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:21 am

TBH I'm not sure about ank. :/ I think both you and jingle are town. I think jjh is a scum constructed counterwagon to pun, based on vc alone. Would need to confirm how that went. I agree 100% on the cop results leading to Titus being town which may be part of the reason she has disengaged so much.

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:22 am

I also 100% disagree with copping jingle if jjh is lynched. Pun should be the top priority cop target in that case. We can lynch jingle tomorrow if jjh pun turns up town. Deal?

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:23 am

Jjh pun should just say pun. I felt gork was town. If ank is town I could see gork scum. Ank would also be a good cop target but I'm more concerned about pun at the moment.

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:27 am

otm is being fucking dumb as fuck and seriously antitown. what am i supposed to do to change that?? the only way otm is scum is if jingle is and i'm not crossing that bridge until i get more data tomorrow

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:39 am

In post 2756, Ankamius wrote:I mean what to do about him

Yeah that's what I'm saying? What can we possibly do about him? Antitown gonna antitown.

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:40 am

JINGLE

Your vote is unacceptable. Vote pun or die tomorrow.

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:48 am

In post 2760, eddie wrote:
In post 2754, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:otm is being fucking dumb as fuck and seriously antitown. what am i supposed to do to change that?? the only way otm is scum is if jingle is and i'm not crossing that bridge until i get more data tomorrow
isnt jingle and otm already unviable for how otm is pushing jingle

that's kind of what i'm saying. I think we will find the remaining scums in {pun, one of ank/jjh, NOS???}

where the fuck is nos?

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:04 am

In post 2762, Ankamius wrote:the only town cohesion

??? really?

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:16 am

In post 2765, Titus wrote:Ok, here's where I am at. We got 3 things that must be solved..jj pun otm. Eddie sorts himself based on these flips.

jj has not done much
OTM is either a clone of civilization Math or scum. We cop this and hopefully reduce the noise since he is not scumhunting.
If Pun flips town, we lynch JJ (barring otm guilty, then we lynch the day after).
If Pun flips scum, any doubt on OTM lynch it.

hey titus

are you townreading jingle?

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:24 am

In post 2768, Titus wrote:
In post 2766, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 2765, Titus wrote:Ok, here's where I am at. We got 3 things that must be solved..jj pun otm. Eddie sorts himself based on these flips.

jj has not done much
OTM is either a clone of civilization Math or scum. We cop this and hopefully reduce the noise since he is not scumhunting.
If Pun flips town, we lynch JJ (barring otm guilty, then we lynch the day after).
If Pun flips scum, any doubt on OTM lynch it.
hey titus

are you townreading jingle?
Yes

Do you really think OTM is scum fooling Jingle, given his Mulch read?

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:25 am

In post 2770, Jingle wrote:The scumteam is Eddie/{JJ/MaybeNos}

WHY EDDIE

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:27 am

for two people who think so much alike, it's weird they can't read each other?

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:28 am

but Jingle's read comes from mulch

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:35 am

In post 2783, eddie wrote:one of us or Nos.

who's "one of us"

also Nos has high chance of being scum... you don't think so..?

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:36 am

In post 2784, Titus wrote:
In post 1002, mhsmith0 wrote:
vc

Votecount 1.11

Draynth (1)
Almost50 ,

Porkens (1)
Draynth ,

Titus (4)
Ginngie , Stop Getting Banned Again , Punreader , EspeciallyTheLies ,

Punreader (4)
Nosferatu , Titus , Gorkington , eddie ,

Not Voting (3)
PenguinPower , Jingle , Porkens ,

Day one deadline is Wednesday May 9, 6 PM PST. (expired on 2018-05-09 18:00:00)

With 13 alive it takes 7to lynch!
[/size]

This tells me Pun is scum...?

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:36 am

Eddie what is Jingle's case on you?

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:38 am

In post 2789, Titus wrote:Who is PenguinPower/Porkens now?

porkens was porkens lynched D1.

PP is Ank.

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:39 am

In post 2790, Titus wrote:Not intended to say anything just looking over votes

Well... that's what it says to me if you are town. Does it not say that to you?

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:41 am

In post 2794, eddie wrote:this tells me the saem thing

and Titus thinks Pun is scum so is that not the point? lol

Oh.

Ok cool. Good. Just making sure

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:41 am

In post 2795, eddie wrote:
In post 2788, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Eddie what is Jingle's case on you?
bad

i responded to the whole thing every single line so m y iso will let you see it

BLAAAAAAAAAAAH

gimme the gist - the core points.

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:42 am

PAGETOP

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:43 am

In post 2799, eddie wrote:I ask again, can someone quote the sheet with all of the actions and results please?

I promise to do this tomorrow (IRL tmrw, not game tmrw). I'm leaving for the gym at the moment and will be mobile until tomorrow morrning.

p-edit: ty I will check his and your ISO for facts. tmrw

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:10 am

what is the compromise?

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:23 am

how is that a compromise?

EspeciallyTheLies · Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:54 am

In post 2825, eddie wrote:ETL, when did you decide you aren't sheeping Jingle?

when i got back into this and decided he was wrong

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:33 am

ETL's table

PLAYER	N1	N2
MULCH/Draynth/OTM	SGBA; town	Titus; town
SGBA	Jingle; scum	DEAD
PENGUINPOWER/ANKAMIUS	SGBA; town	Titus; town
JINGLE	SGBA; town	Titus; town
GORKINGTON/JJH	SGBA; scum	Ankamius; scum
TITUS	SGBA; scum	ETL; scum
KIDAMN/Nosferatu	Draynth; scum	Pun; scum
ALMOST50	SGBA;town	DEAD
ESPECIALLYTHELIES	SGBA; scum	Titus; scum
SCHADD_/Eddie	SGBA; town	Titus; town
CHEEKYTEEKY/PUN	SGBA; scum	Titus; scum

JINGLE'S table

Player	Sane?	Insane?	Paranoid?	Naive?	Random?	N1 Target	N1 Result	N2 Target	N2 Result
OTM	M	X	X	M	M	SGBA	Town	Titus	Town
WotC	X	M	M	X	M	Jingle	Scum	-	-
Ank	M	X	X	M	M	SGBA	Town	Titus	Town
Porkens	M	M	M	M	M	-	-	-	-
Jingle	M	X	X	M	M	SGBA	Town	Titus	Town
JJ	X	M	M	X	M	SGBA	Scum	Ank	Scum
Titus	X	M	M	X	M	SGBA	Scum	ETL	Scum
Nos	X	M	M	X	M	SGBA	Scum	Pun	Scum
Ginngie	M	M	M	M	M	-	-	-	-
Almost50	M	M	M	M	M	SGBA	Town	-	-
ESL	M	M	M	M	M	SGBA	Scum	Titus	Scum
Eddie	M	M	M	M	M	SGBA	Town	Titus	Town
Pun	X	M	M	X	M	SGBA	Scum	Titus	Scum

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:34 am

dunno who WotC is..

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:00 am

JINGLE. WHY DO YOU THINK SGBA DIED N2 AND NOT N1?

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:02 am

In post 2062, Ankamius wrote:ETL

Do you think Math genuinely thinks Jingle+me is the scumteam

I think OTM genuinely believes all manner of nonsense things.

In post 2822, Ankamius wrote:
In post 2813, OnTheMark wrote:So we’re still doing lynch jjh cop Jingle.

I am 100% telling you if you break the compromise I am keeping my vote on Jingle and copping Jingle.

I am now on board with this.

Should I vote or leave it?

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:02 am

I'm probably dead tonight.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:17 am

What is your argument against OTM's idea that it's you/Jingle?

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:21 am

Tell me specifically why it can't possibly be you and Jingle.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:21 am

In post 2866, Ankamius wrote:A jjh scum flip means it could be either of us or titus. Definitely not outside of us three at least

A town flip... Who knows, it probably depends on who scum are

Also this is nonsense.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:23 am

EOD1 VC

In post 1203, mhsmith0 wrote:PenguinPower (1)EspeciallyTheLies

Porkens
(7)Draynth , Gorkington , Titus ,
Ginngie
,
Stop Getting Banned Again
, PenguinPower , Nosferatu , L-0

Titus
(3)Punreader , eddie , Porkens ,
Nosferatu (2)Jingle ,
Almost50

EOD2 VC

In post 1939, mhsmith0 wrote:
Titus
(1)Punreader ,
Nosferatu (2)Jingle ,
Almost50
,

Almost50
(6)Nosferatu , Gorkington ,
Titus
,
EspeciallyTheLies
,
OnTheMark
,
Stop Getting Banned Again
, L-0
Punreader (1)eddie ,
Not Voting (1)Ankamius ,

Most recent VC

In post 2819, mhsmith0 wrote:
OnTheMark
(1)jjh927 ,
jjh927 (4) , Punreader, Jingle ,
OnTheMark
, Ankamius L-1
Punreader (2)
EspeciallyTheLies
,
Titus

Nosferatu (1) eddie,
Not Voting (1) Nosferatu

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:45 am

In post 2872, Ankamius wrote:
In post 2869, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 2866, Ankamius wrote:A jjh scum flip means it could be either of us or titus. Definitely not outside of us three at least

A town flip... Who knows, it probably depends on who scum are
Also this is nonsense.
What's nonsense about it?

You're saying that if JJH flips scum, the last remaining must be you, Jingle or Titus. Is that correct?

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:35 am

In post 2891, Titus wrote:
In post 2890, eddie wrote:i'll be around to hammer by the way

we are copping Jingle

cya in 10 hours after work

No we are copping OTM. Can people stop attempting to change the plan? This is why there is no cohesion. We get a plan that accomodates everyone and everything and someone changes because they aren't getting 100% of what they want.

Lynch Pun, Cop OTM. If Pun town, lynch jjh.

what game are you reading???? Pun has 2 votes, and is not getting lynched today.

JJH is the lynch, and we're copping Jingle.

We don't need to cop OTM. What a waste. Get with the program.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:35 am

If JJH flips scum, Ank can be conftown. But I don't think JJH will flip scum.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:01 am

dunno what that means.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:04 am

In post 2901, Ankamius wrote:That means Titus is town

Old news.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:03 am

Titus, explain why you think Ank and OTM are scum together, please.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:04 am

In post 2917, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Titus, explain why you think Ank and OTM are scum together, please.

And also how you figure this based on your own explanation that you trust Jingle's townread on Mulch, the slot that OTM now occupies.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:17 am

In post 2920, Titus wrote:It's like people can't understand English.

EspeciallyTheLies · Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:18 am

Please may I put that in my sig?

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:03 am

In post 2947, Punreader wrote:This accusation has NO place in a game, LEAST of all from someone knowing my identity.
If you think otherwise?

Fuck off.

That is not something you accuse someone of.

Now I KNOW you're scum.

"Accusing" you of making extra long-winded posts in an attempt to apathy town is absolutely something you do as scum, and I know this because I've seen you do it, and I've seen you admit to using it as a strategy.

So don't even come at me with that indignant bullshit, acting like this is some kind of out-of-game vendetta nonsense, when it's clearly not.

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:38 am

In post 3012, Punreader wrote:
In post 2962, OnTheMark wrote:Assume it is jjh/eddie how do you explain the day two VCA and the fight between A50 and Eddie?
994, 1750, 1759 (doesn't object but says not preference), 1782, 1788, and 1801 are eddie's only interactions with Almost50. Literally none of them are pushing him in a way indicating eddie was punhunting with the pushes. The interactions, the dialog, is incredibly shallow and empty; the content accomplished nothing, had no followthrough, and was content for the sake of content. In fact, instead of going for the Almost50 lynch, he opts to vote me.

876, 1576, and 1763 are the closest you get to content, and he does nothing with those.

On Almost50's end, 1004 is content, but it leads nowhere. He doesn't give followthrough or have this question reflected in his stances. 1581, 1777, 1787, 1792, 1794, 1796, and 1797 are all interacting with eddie but nothing in those interactions is meaningful. They are talking to one another, but there is no manipulation from Almost50's end of the conversation. Quite the opposite, it's textbook pun theater.

As for Gorkington, did you check out his vote?
In post 1669, Gorkington wrote:
vote: a50

bang pow hacha

also willing to hammer any wagon
This is the definition of a pun bussing vote. Prior mentions are 788 (opts for Nosferatu instead with eventual lynch Porkens as alternative), 1014 (the same type of fairly empty interaction present elsewhere), 1614 (where he is soft-defending Almost50), 1615 (further justification of not voting Almost50), and 1625 which is a hard-defense of Almost50.

Gorkington didn't push Almost50 as pun; quite the opposite in fact. Him joining the wagon was transparently pun bussing.

ok i agree with the gork bussing thing. that does look like bussing

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:24 am

OOOOOO

EspeciallyTheLies · Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:27 pm

In post 3039, eddie wrote:
We are copping Jingle. This is not a question.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:09 am

scum on jingle.

can we please cop a scumread this time? this tells me nothing.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:25 am

Oh?

I haven't looked at everything yet was just thinking getting scum on all 3 only tells me that I could be paranoid, or insane or random.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:33 am

In post 3147, OnTheMark wrote:I got scum on Jingle so I am random or sane.

Odds of random imho are low.

The odds of you being a random cop are LITERALLY THE SAME AS THE ODDS OF YOU BEING ONE OF THE OTHERS. Read the fucking OP.

Also, no.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:34 am

hang on. am compiling chart.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:49 am

PLAYER	N1	N2	N3
MULCH/Draynth/OTM	SGBA; town	Titus; town	Jingle; scum
SGBA	Jingle; scum	DEAD	DEAD
PENGUINPOWER/ANKAMIUS	SGBA; town	Titus; town	Jingle; town
JINGLE	SGBA; town	Titus; town	????
GORKINGTON/JJH	SGBA; scum	Ankamius; scum	DEAD
TITUS	SGBA; scum	ETL; scum	DEAD
KIDAMN/Nosferatu	Draynth; scum	Pun; scum	Jingle; town
ALMOST50	SGBA;town	DEAD	DEAD
ESPECIALLYTHELIES	SGBA; scum	Titus; scum	Jingle; scum
SCHADD_/Eddie	SGBA; tow n	Titus; town	Jingle; scum
CHEEKYTEEKY/PUN	SGBA; scum	Titus; scum	Jingle; town

OTM

: Random, Sane - NOT NAIVE, NOT PARANOID, NOT INSANE.

Ank

: Random, Naive, Sane - NOT INSANE, NOT PARANOID

Jingle

: Random, Sane, Naive - NOT PARANOID, NOT INSANE

Nos

: ??????? <<< none of this slot's results are verifiable at all.

ETL

: Random, Paranoid, Insane - NOT NAIVE, NOT SANE

Eddie

: Random, Sane - NOT NAIVE, NOT PARANOID, NOT INSANE

Pun

: Random, Insane - NOT NAIVE, NOT PARANOID, NOT SANE

what do

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:32 am

In post 3176, eddie wrote:4 random cops
2 sane cops
2 insane cops
2 naive cops
2 paranoid cops
1 additional cop, randed among the five sanities

this includes scum though

right. one scum guaranteed to be random

i am so sad.

i'm sad gork was scum. i'm sad if jingle is scum. cuz that means he got me. he's not allowed to get me.

the evidence is undeniable.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:32 am

In post 3180, eddie wrote:if it continues after this lynch, do we still need to mass cop? if so Nos is the obvious choice. not entirely sure we do though.

i agree with copping nos if jingle flips town.

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:33 am

In post 3177, Ankamius wrote:Then a Jingle town flip gives us a lot of info on sanities, which makes him the best lynch anyways

explain what you mean

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:07 am

In post 3191, Ankamius wrote:Jingle tried to push against me when A50 was going down, it makes sense now in the sense of I had pushed down one scum partner and had the other as my top scum read

It makes sense that Jingle wanted to stop me

But then why the fuck kill SGBA

cuz they got scum on Jingle and he couldn't risk having them show town on Titus along with other parity results.

VOTE: Jingle

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:32 am

i came around ank

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:33 am

i had a suspicion that if jingle was scum the only reason i didn't die is because i was hard defending him

EspeciallyTheLies · Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:40 am

yeah that didn't help me see very clearly but i had started day 3 with suspicion jingle might not be town. it was just hard to let it go. the more things didn't add up the more it became clear which is why i kind of backed off pun later in the day and agreed to cop jingle.