Mini 2017: Encore Mafia - Now Without Cults [Endgame]

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VOTE: marangal
I got my favorite role.

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I think that implosion is town, and his posts are meh, incorrect, and correct, respectively.

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EP, am I supposed to townread your first post? I'm not sure.

AhHahahaahhaaahaha

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people should stop scum reading it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's this one.

BNL is a strong player in this game, idk how town he is though.
Survey says: kinda.

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

pedit: put me one higher!!!! do it!

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implosion: agree with mastina that this guy is the highest town. However, experience suggests that he has a wide range of scum ability, from transparent to very solid. Also, implosion, I wasn't just sheeping you.

mastina: Definitely capable of opening like this as scum. Probably even prefers it. That being said, her reads ARE quite good. idk what all the fuss is about Awoo, who seems fine

Pine: I wonder if mastina is seeing the same thing that I'm seeing here, to put Pine so high off of just a couple posts -- I'd expect him to have big scum shoes to fill, and perhaps he'd be a little more involved here. That's just what I'm working with right now.

Kokichi Oma: At first I thought this was a very classically scummy entrance, but then I had a minor meta epiphany and I'll
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for now. More conflicted than any read either way though.

BNL: He's laying the whole "I'm engaged with the game!" a little thick, isn't he? I'll chalk it up to being back from a long hiatus


Guys, I'll be honest, I'm really happy with my role. Given what I could remember about my past games, it was the

one

role I was secretly really hoping to get. *wink wink wink*

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At first I was thinking you were scum. Now I'm not so sure
thats all i gotta say about you

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[insert magic words that make you townread me for the rest of this game and for all eternity]

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Ditto EP but in a very different way and probably stronger than a lean though I reserve the right to 180 here though I probably won't.

are you just saying that cause you're afraid to be wrong on someone you talk to a lot?
Because that's why i'm saying that.

hmm

Actually you can be town for now

I'm almost thinking this is the towniest post in the game.
Not in that "haha you can be town cause you townread me" way but in the semi serious way, but i've been burned before on this exact kind of read (only once, tchill in this game if anyone actually cares).

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Kokichi Oma: At first I thought this was a very classically scummy entrance, but then I had a minor meta epiphany and I'll
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for now. More conflicted than any read either way though.

What meta?

It has to do with a group of scummers that tend to play with each other a lot and treat the game in similar ways, including entrances that I scumread on a baseline.
I don't like how you treated the Pine scumread

However I think I don't like how Pine treated the mutantdevle thing slightly more, if no one agrees with me I'll explain but I think it's best if the ~real towns~ just agree with me already?

VOTE: Pine

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I've read multiple games you played in on this account and know that you're one of about five people I know have these kinds of alts. Also it would be a pretty stupid thing to lie about in a game and I'm suspicious that you're pushing that (especially since you're pushing it so half-heartedly, town who's genuinely convinced it's a scumslip I'd expect to be a lot more excited about it)

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More or less my thoughts. Every time I see Errant post, it makes me think town, though this is with the caveat that I don't really have a good baseline for what from him is scum.

mwahahahaha.

List of people that I'm willing to call some degree of town so far: BNL, EP, mastina, Kokichi, Wisdom, Pine, mutantdevle, vaguely in that order. This list is easily mostly garbage right now though since I haven't audited it yet.

Nonetheless, leaves Awoo, espe, myloninja, Maragnal, and srceenplay. Doesn't feel great that this list is by and large lurkers but that's basically a good excuse to not audit the list of townreads yet so~

With all the same caveats and disclaimers:
Town: BNL, implosion, mutantdevle, Pine, Awoo
The rest: mastina, wisdom, mara, mylo, espe, srceen, kokichi

out of these I like
VOTE: kokichi
the most.

VOTE: mutantdevele im watching you, pine.

See this?

This is scum, blatantly hopping onto a wagon initiated by town, most likely ON town.

The proof?

Awoo votes mutant, while pointing suspicion onto Pine...the player who singlehandedly initiated the wagon in the first place.

I think this is very wrong.

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That’s my secret. I can’t read anyone’s alignment.

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It's okay, I'm always scumread as town anyways. Can you explain the pine and mutant townreads?

Yeah, and it's interesting you ask because those are the ones I'm the most shaky on.
I townread mutant based on 138, 159, and 162. That being said 209 seems pretty genuine too.

Pine is townread based on wagon stuff mainly.

Also, am I the only one who found this post a bit of a disappointment to what it was introduced as?

yeah, lol. It read to me as Awoo sitting down and going like "I'm going to make this big long post that instantly gets me townread because it's so great" and then lost motivation and things to say halfway through and going "hmmmm... okay this person? i got nothing to say, skip!"

VOTE: EnP

this is a new acronym, interesting.

And I think you are very wrong to think it is very wrong.

What's your percentage of certainty here?

You just had me as strongest town. I didn't like how you suddenly flipped on me, especially in the post where you said "BNL is not a bad counterwagon"

okay, in what world is doing a 180 something that's scummy?
answer: no world.
people gotta stop scumreading that.

Errantparabola -- leaning mafia from voting patterns and reading patterns, now that I've iso'd it. Im not about to case this guy but try iso'ing him yourselves and see what you get.

case me
coward

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I think my new desire might be a wagon on the worst???

VOTE: the worst

I'd probably roll w u on BNL at the moment but otherwise eeehhh
I don't dig your stance on like anyone in the middle bracket yet

I think this is a very scummy post

Well it was 80%, but the more I read, the stronger my certainty becomes; it now sits at more like 90%.

If, in the long run, i end up helping you out with the awoo wagon, and you're wrong at 90% certainty, i'm going to vig you -- are we in agreement?

And I kinda just didn't like mutants posting.

Well that's just rude.

Sorry sorry i didn't mean to be rude. I should clarify, I meant in this game, your posting in other games is good!

regardless of alignment, how can we possibly lynch this precious and pure bird?

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I'd probably roll w u on BNL at the moment but otherwise eeehhh
I don't dig your stance on like anyone in the middle bracket yet

I think this is a very scummy post

how

Don't know, I just read it and thought "that seemed pretty scummy"
I dont really scumread you, or anyone
implosion and i could hydra again and form the most wishy-washy, indecisive, never-scumreads-anybody combo ever

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Wisdom has been OK so far. he's also difficult to read and good at scum. basically dead null.
Kokichi is faintly town scented with a hint of lavender, but I would strongly suggest a cop check.
Pine I can't read to save my life but has a similar scent to Kokichi

Why cop check kokichi over the two people you say are difficult to read?

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man maybe i'll just ignore every post up until post 400 and start from scratch. That sounds nice.

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I do this too, except after every post. My memory span is one post long.

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Man, it's a beautiful day out. Anyway, sorry worst, did you ask me a question?

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i'd say its actually a pretty towny thing to say
also heyyyy

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I'll be here tonight

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Life ended up being a lot more hectic today than I thought. So, tomorrow.
However, to my fans: this does not mean you should be townreading me any less.
Just assume that whatever post I made that made you think I was town, I just made right now.

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Espe's 494 and 495 reads like pissed town to me but it's my favorite wagon out of the three leading
I don't scumread Awoo but I think it gets us some good stuff as a wagon. I'd do it just fine as a compromise.
I think BnL is a mislynch.

Unsure what my read is on the worst right now.
I dont think Wisdom is town at all. IDK why people are townreading him
Would still be goodish with lynching Kokichi

That's roughly where I'm at right now

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I'm definitely down to chainlynch Awoo, then mastina, see them both flip town, and lose the game

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But otherwise, deal remains unchanged; the offer still remains. Would gladly die if Awoo would flip town.

gromble gromble

VOTE: Awoo

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VOTE: Espeonage
Wisdom is the optimal cop check imo

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VOTE: implosion

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agree that theres been a lot of claims and a lot of claimed town power and also that fakeclaiming is trivially easy for this game

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EP, still want to hear some substance from you as well.

the major issue is that any time we get into PR massclaim hell my brain immediately goes 100% disengage mode.
idk why people are voting you implosion

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other than me. i know why i'm doing that.

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VOTE: koki

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NEVER MIND..... that wagon is terrible

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Also 970 was terrible. Quite gut, but I think many other players would have felt it as well. Good way to explain it is that it's a slight shade throw at mastina.

I dont consider that scummy.

So I'm assuming with all the claims, heads are gonna roll tonight. I dont want to lynch kokichi because he said he'd do something. I also dont really want to lynch implosion anymore. (But I do think that he's the best positioned after a Wisdom NK and I also think he hasn't been towny today and I agree that Espe was a SUPER plausible bus)

I'm a willing vote on mutant, mylo, pine, or mastina.
If forced to choose I'd choose implosion over kokichi

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bnl is really building up to an implosion vote, huh?

1. Why is your reasoning against lynching Kokichi something other than "because BNL is shooting him tonight"?

okay then it's that. that's my reasoning

2. Why don't you want to lynch implosion?

because he's my friend and did some things that made me trust in him again but also i'd be fine with lynching implosion i guess

UGH

okay so

all of the ROLE related INFORMATION (there is way too much) is this:

Awoo: If scum, is goon
BnL: dude that committed to shooting Kokichi on D3
implosion: backup vig
Kokichi: gets to kill someone tonight if BnL shoots
mastina: who the fuck knows
worst: tracker or something

so like, we dont actually have any vigs? is all this right?

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VOTE: koki

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NEVER MIND..... that wagon is terrible

sorry excuse you?

the wagon with the guilty is terrible? speak up

well isnt he gonna die anyway?
(have i redeemed myself, BNL)

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Did implosion claim backup vig and if so, who the heck is he actually backing up?

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i am sorry implosion

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BNL is town
the worst is town
Awoo is town or at least towny

Mylo is towny
Still have no idea who implosion is actually supposed to be backing up but I'm assuming he's town

The rest are varying degrees of plausibility for last scum

Honestly that logic leads to BNL being super shady. Very early on Kokichi, then backed off of him and shopped around to Myloninja before jumping on the Implosion CW. Need to ISO him to assess reasoning. This last post trying to turn an offhand comment into suspicion is shady af too.

hahaha
think this is townposting

VOTE: mastina

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based on night info i think NLing is not a terrible strat. i'd rather get at someone today but I wouldn't disagree with an NL
I also think massclaiming is totes fine too

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Okey
VOTE: implosion

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EP, can you make your current feelings on my play this game explicit? You've been very wishy-washy about it since d2 and it's making reading you really annoying, and is looking less and less like what I expect from your town game.

Sorry implosion, you're right.

I think your play has been analytically pretty town and so have your associations but a lot of extraneous factors make me want to suspect you. I think the Wisdom kill positions you perfectly, especially in a game where I felt like there were more logical N1 kills. But I do acknowledge that there could have been some PR read there. I think your claim is plausibly fake here as well.

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I know I've been really really disengaged with this game. Sorry. I peeked mastina's ISO and yeah, that's pretty town. I think this game is just generally gonna shake out like how my TM game did-- punch out all the consensus lynches (Pine, mom, me if you want) and just win

If... someone actually wants to point me at something to look at and analyze I'd be happy to but otherwise I'm just gonna keep. Existing.

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I think that end of D1 and whole of D2 you provided a lot less towny content than you did early game as well

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I think this game is just generally gonna shake out like how my TM game did-- punch out all the consensus lynches (Pine, mom, me if you want) and just win

(read: I hope to god it does)

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I've no qualms about hammering other than just waiting for Gamma to get into the game and a claim.

Case and point for implosion being scum, right here.

This is a perfectly fine and relatable post actually

Whoa hey, fuck off of me. Barking up the wrong tree there.

I am camping with my family and have had cell data problems (now resolved with a new SIM card.) I'll be back with real content tomorrow, but this push on me is some kick-him-when-he's-down bullshit.

Skimming, I find tw's vote to be most suspicious. He knows me well enough to know this isn't my scum meta, and doesn't really have any good reasons otherwise.

TW the guy who claimed a guilty on Kokichi yesterday?

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VOTE: gamma emerald

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TRENDSETTER

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I buy that
honestly I dont buy your townread on mara
mylo and mutant both have no claims related to them, correct?

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cant believe you'd bully mastina on her birthday
that's cold dude

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Checking in. You will see a real post from me tonight

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Is everyone else in the lynch pool eliminated by some PR thing or what? Why is it just me and implosion?
Also I think that its a townmove for implosion to insist upon reading the only other person in the lynchpool as town despite him having ample trajectory to start scumreading me

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ep whos the mfai

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implosion is acting like he knows he’s gonna flip town

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hey everyone, I'm sick so I'm probably going to sleep the day away but I'll be here ASAP

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Honestly, I'm totally fine with getting lynched, but I just feel bad for implosion.

"Guys, don't lynch me, I'm town."

town proceeds to start lynching implosion

"Okay, that's fine but after I flip town, just don't lynch Errantparabola.

town proceeds to start lynching Errantparabola

It's like you're spitting on his grave

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hold on, don't lynch me yet. I gotta find the last scum and then tell you guys not to lynch them.

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Just kidding. I'll let you guys lynch me and figure it out yourself, punks.

Anyway, I'm VT, and I claimed it in this post:

VOTE: marangal
I got my favorite role.

implosion picked up on it and was all like "am I supposed to be townreading you for that" (he was indeed supposed to)

I have been on record talking about my favorite role being VT definitely at least once, and I remembered that my GTKAS had that "what's your favorite role in a mafia game" question and I went to look to hopefully find evidence corroborating this claim:

Mafia role and/or alignment?

N1 Suicidal Innocent Child.

fuck you past EP

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1. are you a VT
2. is mylo mafia
3. is mastina mafia
4. thanks for the interview

well apparently there's some weird claim shenanigans behind the scenes that clear people so I'll just ask people to keep in mind a couple things during massclaim tomorrow:

1. Fakeclaiming roles is TRIVIALLY EASY in this game. Don't let that swing you in a direction.
2. Last scum fell for Pine's... pretty hilariously lazy fakeclaim. Great job btw. This tells us a couple things: if Pine is prone to doing stuff like this, last scum might not be mastina because I'd expect her to see through something like that (but I'd also expect last scum to be townreading Pine because they'd be thinking about Pine being mislynchable less and I'm just scumreading mastina the most here).
3. Look at the reactions to Pine being the kill. Mylo and Awoo come across as marginally faker than the other two.

SEE YA SUCKERS!

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pretending they are masons at this point

implosion and I were the true masons of this game
We started out being like "this person's super town but Idk i'm paranoid" and then we went to "oh this person might actually be scum" and then "actually this person's just town" at the very end. Perfect character arc.
But it was too late, and we would go down together in a blaze of.... well, not glory. After all, this story is about the beautifully mundane, of two ordinary folks learning to trust in a time of turmoil. A tale of friendship despite all odds

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mastina is Awoo town?

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VOTE: Errantparabola
hope its a good explanation : ]

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if the result on every player is out, why dont we just mass claim today?

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Cool game, great premise, thanks for modding.
GG!

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Sorry