Mini 2017: Encore Mafia - Now Without Cults [Endgame]

[Awoo]

So basically we get 2 lynches if we vig kokichi tonight.

Now then let us discuss who the lynch today is and I don't see any option other then pine does anyone have any input.

[mutantdevle]

• Each player receives the same Role PM (or a slightly modified version of one) that they have received in a past game on MafiaScum.
  
• For Town-aligned players, the following win condition will be added to or replace text in the original Role PM:
  
  Win Condition:
  You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated and at least one Town player is alive.
  
• For Mafia-aligned players, the following win condition will be added to or replace text in the original Role PM:
  
  Win Condition:
  You win when Mafia makes up at least 50% of the living players and nothing can prevent that from changing.

@mod

, if a player's role was from their town game then does that mean they have to be town here? OR, can a player receive a previous town role as mafia in this game?

[Errantparabola]

agree that theres been a lot of claims and a lot of claimed town power and also that fakeclaiming is trivially easy for this game

[KittyMo]

Vote Count 2.02

[2] Kokichi Oma ~ the worst, Pine
[2] Pine ~ implosion, Awoo
[1] implosion ~ Errantparabola
[1] Myloninja13 ~ mastina

[5] Not Voting ~ BulletNLynchproof, Kokichi Oma, mutantdevle, Ms Marangal, Myloninja13

Deadline is at (expired on 2018-07-15 03:05:04)

V/LA

Kokichi Oma & Ms Marangal are V/LA until July 9th.

@mod

, if a player's role was from their town game then does that mean they have to be town here?

Correct; alignment for Role PMs is constant between the original game and this game.

[BNL]

VOTE: Pine

Someone please Doc me tonight

[Awoo]

agree that theres been a lot of claims and a lot of claimed town power and also that fakeclaiming is trivially easy for this game

...and? bnl and kokichi confirm themselves tonight who's left? And if TW gets a good track hes probably good too as long as its not on his prtner

[mastina]

This is already a

lot

of town power claimed between full tracker, 2-shot weak doc, BNL's role and vengeful modified babysitter.

Don't forget I also know there's an investigative with a hard-innocent on Awoo. But, RE: planning:

I'm the role from NSG's game. I thought wisdom was scum. Cause he said I was scum but didn't push me like he always does when he scumreads me

Okay, so like.

I am 95% sure this is bullshit.

And I want to lynch it.

I really, really,

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally

want to lynch it.

But dammit.

In the off 5% chance it's legit.

I can't

.

Because if the claim WERE true...then it'd just be too good to pass up on; we'd be killing three birds with one stone.

To explain,

So basically we get 2 lynches if we vig kokichi tonight.

You're actually underestimating the utility here.

It's not

two

lynches.

It's

three

.

Today, we should lynch the player most widely scumread aside from Kokichi Oma. (My preference would be on Myloninja.) Lynch #1.
Kokichi Oma gets vigged by BulletNLynchproof. Lynch #2.
If Kokichi Oma's role is real, he targets the second-most-widely scumread player (aside from himself, of course). That player, if you assume Kokichi's roleclaim is real, also dies. Producing

three

lynches. (My preference would be on implosion.)

Oh and then there's the investigative on top of that, who simply targets a name outside of Kokichi Oma/second-most-widely-scumread-player/the worst/BulletNLynchproof (all of which would be a waste).

If we lynch scum today and Kokichi Oma is scum, we win overnight.
If we lynch scum today, Kokichi Oma is town, and targets scum, we win overnight.
If we lynch town today and Kokichi Oma is scum, we're still positioned well tomorrow. Our top three lynch candidates are all dead, with one scum remaining.
If we lynch town today and Kokichi Oma is town, targeting scum, we still are positioned well tomorrow. Our top three lynch candidates are all dead, with one scum remaining.

Even if we lynch town today, Kokichi Oma is town, and targets town, we are STILL positioned well tomorrow; our top three mislynches just got removed in one fell swoop, making it MUCH easier to POE the game and ten times harder for scum to hide.

Sadly, it does mean that even though there's a 95% chance Kokichi Oma's a scumfuck we let him live, but. He's dead tonight anyway, soooooo.

[mastina]

Err. Small correction.

If we lynch town today and Kokichi Oma is scum, we're still positioned well tomorrow. Our top three lynch candidates are all dead, with one scum remaining.

In this instance, we only get two lynch candidates dead, but the point still remains; we end up with one scum remaining and are positioned incredibly well. It might not be a

foolproof

plan, but it's guaranteed to give us a MASSIVE edge.

[Awoo]

OK lets be realistic though worst case scenario:

scum have a roleblocker and block BNL tonight and we lynch kokichi tmr, still assuming he is town and putting our top kill on the wagon.

[mastina]

OK lets be realistic though worst case scenario: scum have a roleblocker and block BNL tonight and we lynch kokichi tmr, still assuming he is town and putting our top kill on the wagon.

Which still results in our top three scumreads dead.

Oh, and said roleblocker?

If said roleblocker is on BulletNLynchproof, they are

not

on the worst, and

not

on the investigative out there that inno'd you.

That, assuming they even have a roleblocker*; if they don't, they be fucked. (And, by the way, given this game mechanic? Not just anyone can actually be a roleblocker; only certain specific players could be a MAFIA Roleblocker.)

Scum, no matter what, face a lose-lose scenario, so.

*Mind you, the actual pool would be roleblocker/doctor/jailkeeper/rolestopper/redirector/busdriver/alien, to be a little more technically precise, but. SAME PRINCIPLE APPLIES; the

point

is, there's only a small number of players who could have those roles even as

possible

, and most of said roles are not that common to be mafia except for the mafia roleblocker, so for the sake of brevity you can basically just go "mafia roleblocker" to convey the same meaning as "mafia roleblocker, doctor, jailkeeper, rolestopper, redirector, busdriver, or alien".

[mastina]

(When I have more time, I may actually compile the list of players who could have those roles. I think it's a fairly small pool. As in, I think that pretty much the only players who could have it are implosion, Marangal, and Pine, small, but I'll try to verify that when I get the chance. Maybe tonight, but probably not; I have a lot of obligations. Can definitely do it tomorrow, though!)

[mastina]

(Oh, Errant too. But I'm pretty sure mutant, Mylo, and myself have no scumgames with those roles.)

[Awoo]

if you have the time go ahead. But also there is no rush as this might not even happen >>

[BNL]

I feel a need to point out that if I'm killed my kill fails. It happened in the game I got my role from.

Also I change my mind about Pine. He's probably a bad lynch.
UNVOTE: Pine
VOTE: implosion

[implosion]

Also I change my mind about Pine. He's probably a bad lynch.

Any reason for this?
Or for the vote on me?

I generally agree that Koki is probably fakeclaiming but to not lynch him today anwyay.

EP, still want to hear some substance from you as well.

[BNL]

Pine is town because I've realised what has been going on.

With Kokichi and Pine out, you and Mylo are my strongest scumreads.

Scumread on implosion is based on Wisdom death and EOD wagons.

[the worst]

we should probably just like lynch the scum

[Kokichi Oma]

It not me

[Awoo]

if someone randomly said pine is town, i believe it.

VOTE: implosion

[BNL]

we should probably just like lynch the scum

But I can’t shoot anyone other than Kokichi.

[the worst]

we should probably just like lynch the scum

But I can’t shoot anyone other than Kokichi.

I'd rather deprive scum of a potential night action tbh
plus you can be RB'd which means we just delay the lynch

[Myloninja13]

I kinda just want to lynch Koki here tbh

[the worst]

Mylo rox

[Myloninja13]

I mean... they are, you know, likely scum lol. And can't they just venge TW if he's lying anyway lol?

[the worst]

I'm not lying and am not scum. :>

I really don't see a way I got this result unless Koki is actually scum NKing Wisdom here. like his fakeclaimed role probably doesn't give a result unless he's killed? ?_?


might try my luck

@mod, if an hypothetical target was specified for a possible action but no actual action happened on the night would that come up as a guilty to an hypothetical tracker?