This seems moderately scum.In post 11, mutantdevle wrote:Also, since this is probably a PR heavy game, I'd like to request that no one crumb their role, scum will spot it and they WILL kill you for it. Anyone who feels like their role is useless should feel free to drop a fake crumb though if they want to bite a night kill . But of course, don't be so obvious about it that it's too obvious.
Mini 2017: Encore Mafia - Now Without Cults [Endgame]
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
Not good. You did it an hour after I fell asleep.In post 36, mastina wrote:
Sure.In post 34, implosion wrote:Someone please kick this game into gear i'm bored
VOTE: implosion.
How's that?
Semistandard scumtell for theme games; looks like analysis for the sake of analysis to an extent. Crumbs can easily be done in such a way that they are impossible to detect; making the blanket statement "it can't be beneficial for anyone to crumb" just feels like throwing out information that sounds useful for the sake of throwing it out.mutandevle wrote:How so?-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
Pine's posting isn't impressing me thus far.
Inclined to lean town on Wisdom though I don't really know what he looks like as scum. Ditto EP but in a very different way and probably stronger than a lean though I reserve the right to 180 here though I probably won't.
Kokichi slightly town at this point, Awoo could be scum, not a massive fan of his flip on Kokichi; it looks sort of staged for the purpose of generating content. 82 is not a good reason to townread Kokichi and it's the only post between Awoo calling Kokichi scum and town.
BNL is still strong town. Myloninja is our Designated Lynch for the day.-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
Oh man, maybe we are supposed to wagon mutantdevle here. 138 is pretty bad. Although I don't know why Pine is lying in the first place given that scum are with near-certainty going to be willing to put in enough work to disprove him saying he's never drawn VT.
I agree that I'm having a tough time getting a solid read on myloninja.-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
One, that you're willing to believe someone with a 2011 join date hasn't ever drawn VT without a shred of skepticism. Makes it seem like you aren't applying critical thought to the things you're reading here.
Two, tone. The exasperation reads forced. Again, if you're town I'd expect you to at least have the thought "maybe Pine has a decent reason to say this."
Three, it sort of presumes that Pine is town in a weird way that again doesn't really make me think you're trying to read his alignment genuinely.-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
This seems like a question I have not that much interest in answering.devle wrote:Assume I knew pine was lying, why do you think I made that post?
How does anything change from anything to anything else, really~BNL wrote:Implosion, how did you go from Mylo going from Designated Lynch to "hard time getting a solid read on"?-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
Idk why you're so deeply interested in discussing your role after you've already breadcrumbed it. Like, spouting bullshit softclaims to try to throw off scum is not good town play in this game.In post 179, mastina wrote:I really feel like you're being dumb. (Especially since you're one of the few players in this playerlist to have a chance to know what role I possess off of my stance that this is a role which
shouldbe breadcrumbed. I breadcrumb ALL roles I have--even THIS one. Because no role, not even THIS one, should remain uncrumbed.)
I'm not really sure how to read mastina in general; my only even-slightly-recent meta knowledge of her is from turn of camn and we were both scum and it was not the kind of thing that can be meaningfully extrapolated. Not really interested in pushing her right now though. I might be willing to join the Awoo wagon.-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
That said, devle, I want to echo BNL's point - you're acting like we're supposed to be reading you as town here, while simultaneously explaining that you aren't doing any scumhunting. Why exactly are we supposed to think you're town here? And why haven't you done any scumhunting? I'm willing to buy that there's a level of scumminess that you're going to show regardless of alignment, but... you're acting like you showing that scumminess and people seeing it is a reason for people to think that you're town, which is patently absurd.-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
List of people that I'm willing to call some degree of town so far: BNL, EP, mastina, Kokichi, Wisdom, Pine, mutantdevle, vaguely in that order. This list is easily mostly garbage right now though since I haven't audited it yet.
Nonetheless, leaves Awoo, espe, myloninja, Maragnal, and srceenplay. Doesn't feel great that this list is by and large lurkers but that's basically a good excuse to not audit the list of townreads yet so~-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
Indignance is a slight towntell I think. Probably one that varies inversely with account join date. But there's a reason you were at the end of the list.In post 212, mutantdevle wrote:
I question this too since you literally just spoke about how you don't see why anyone would be town reading me thus far.In post 195, BNL wrote:Implosion so how did you get mutantdevle town?-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
Hmmm is this a town post? I think it might be. I don't think scum who tend to be more self-conscious of the things they're posting, perusing the first page of the game, would really feel the need to make this point.In post 201, Ms Marangal wrote:
It may be a little late for this, but considering there are sample VT pms in this game, I doubt it's role madnessIn post 20, BNL wrote:I disagree with the second paragraph. I agree this is likely to be role madness, but this means crumbs are not as useful for scum as everyone is a role so PR wise it doesn't matter much who they kill.-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
I do also agree with Awoo that on a second read BNL's 80 feels really icky in the throw-something-out-there-for-the-hell-of-it way. Idk if "yeah, maybe" would ever be my genuine reaction to someone saying "the three people voting me are all scum" on d1. Even if I were to read the claim that all three of those people are scum as 100% serious I don't think it's something that I would stop and think "hm, yeah, maybe," it's just something that I'd completely dismiss out of hand because why are people trying to nail the whole scumteam in post 79?
I am interested inthoughtson this matter from the masses.-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
And WRT Awoo, BNL seems like an awfully weird choice for him to make if he is scum looking for a counterwagon. Only vote there was Espeonage who isn't exactly at the front of the game's zeitgeist at the moment, with a decent number of people calling him town. I don't think scum-Awoo would think the wagon has a significant chance of forming, unless it's a really odd bus. If he's scum it was just a move to gain towncred and I don't think that's the move that scum looking for towncred is especially likely to make.
Unvote
VOTE: BNL-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
How do you know I don't scumread you?In post 244, BNL wrote:
But you don't scumread me.In post 237, implosion wrote:And WRT Awoo, BNL seems like an awfully weird choice for him to make if he is scum looking for a counterwagon. Only vote there was Espeonage who isn't exactly at the front of the game's zeitgeist at the moment, with a decent number of people calling him town. I don't think scum-Awoo would think the wagon has a significant chance of forming, unless it's a really odd bus. If he's scum it was just a move to gain towncred and I don't think that's the move that scum looking for towncred is especially likely to make.
Unvote
VOTE: BNL
Why would I have to be scumreading you to vote you?-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
BNL wrote:Not a fan of how he joined my wagon
????????BNL wrote:I didn't think your vote on me was scummy,
I am so tempted to reply to this with "the inner machinations of my mind are an enigma."BNL wrote:While talking about this though, why did you vote a lot of your null/scum reads, but you did not vote mutantdevle even though you were clearly thinking that he was scummy?
But the real answer is, no particular reason.-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
I have very mixed thoughts on Kokichi. My only meta on him is a game where I was modding where he was scum in which I think I had a pretty likely chance of misreading him as town had I been in the game, and this game seems to have no real difference from it. Yet I am also somewhat townreading him independent of that.-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
My new townset-that-I-feel-pretty-okay-about: {EP, Awoo, mutantdevle, Maragnal}.
The people that I would like to call town right now but give me significant trepidation in doing so are {Wisdom, kokichi, Pine, mastina}.
This leaves a new, 100% improved scumset of {BNL, mylo, the worst, espeonage}.
There are very clearly 3 scum in that set.-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
Actually, amusingly, literally the entire middle tier can be summed up with "they've done some things this game that I moderately-to-strongly want to townread in a vacuum, but am not sure if the thing they did is actually a towntell for them in particular." Literally all four of them except kind of maybe kokichi which I mentioned above.
BNL is the only one who I currently see things that make me think scummier than neutral from.-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
I think my new desire might be a wagon on the worst???
I mean, this is a logically sound thing to say but it doesn't really address why it's a more sensible thing to do as scum. And if you are thinking of multiple specific games where you've seen this, I actually wouldn't mind links to votecounts from those games because I'm sort of skeptical that this is something that you've seen often enough to establish as a pattern (it's something I can believe but am initially skeptical of).In post 328, BNL wrote:
Awoo, address this please?In post 242, BNL wrote:Wrt 80, I said it was not implausible that all 3 scum were voting you because again, experience. I've often seen only-scum wagons on town early game before. Then again, those were micros, so I don't know if the same happens in games of this size.
Implosion, too.-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
What's your overall opinion of me, right now? You mentioned thinking my calling you a Designated Lynch was vaguely cringe-worthy; can you elaborate?In post 362, Myloninja13 wrote:I am once again being mentioned, so I shall show my face!
Would you like me to answer any questions?-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
That she's being inconsistent?In post 363, the worst wrote:
point?In post 361, implosion wrote:mastina, @358, aren't you the one who just stressed that effort != alignment?
What do you mean? I think the point is pretty obvious.-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
worst, you're doing an awful lot of what feels like testing out the waters to see what vote you can get to stick before committing to giving any material reads. You're asking a lot of questions in a lot of different directions and it doesn't feel like you're following up with any of them or listening to any of the answers/adjusting your reads based on them.
Care to dissuade me of this incorrect notion?-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
To respond to my question in as much detail as possible, so that I can get a good feel for your playstyle.In post 374, the worst wrote:like I've been in this game less than 24 hours
you transparently don't know my playstyle
what are you expecting of me?-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
And @mastina that's fair. I was kind of close to voting myloninja but page 13 reads town to me. He's not afraid to make it obvious that he is lurking. He has no shame over it. 313 felt generally gut town, particularly the comment about me, though that's not as strong now that I see he was interpreting it as me calling for a policy lynch.
I don't feel great about my vote on BNL anymore though.-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
What have you gotten out of the answers to your questions (e.g., your line of questions toward Mylo, )
I had been ISOing you and I now see that your other two questions haven't been answered yet. Alas. But still, that; you asked those questions and didn't mention him again until mastina's post, after which you agreed that he might be scum but mentioned he'd eventually be more readable. Was it his responses to your questions that made you scumread him? Had you already been scumreading him?
Basically, I just want to hear the thought process that has led you to give the opinions you've given so far.-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
i am scared to answer yes to this, so instead, i will say "maybe, have you?"In post 382, the worst wrote:just clarifying first have you read my posts?-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
Yeah, you'll note me later mentioning that I had been ISOing the worst and just looking at questions he'd asked looking for thing he'd said later about those questions and not seeing those and not realizing that the people had just spontaneously vanished after he'd asked them things.BNL wrote:I disagree with this statement. Some of the questions weren't followed up because they weren't answered in the first place.
Yes.BNL wrote:I also sometimes feel like I have too many townreads, then I realise how many lurkers there are in the game.
I do sort of wonder if for me this is always the case though. Large majority of the time that I give an early scumread it is unlikely to remain confident over a long stretch of time.
I don't really feel strongly about the worst's posting so far. To be completely frank my reaction to his long post in response to me was "ugh i really don't feel like trying to find something alignment-indicative from this right now". The large generic mass of town-seeming people makes me feel fine about just calling for a wagon on Espeonage right now. Nothing he's posted gives me townvibes (compare: myloninja). His passive aggressive reaction to my vote just feels... weak. The assumption in 427 that I was voting him solely to get him to do things also just leaves a bad taste because it was not just that. (I'll also note that his calling it a pet peeve is pretty silly, since there are plenty of people who can be made to get off of their asses by some pressure, myself included in many cases). 411 I'm pretty sure is mostly sarcastic and just feels... idk. Especially since the most recent votecount at the time of that post had the biggest wagon be on BNL, implying that he had read the recent parts of the thread enough to know that the wagon was starting to dissipate (at least, he can't have just read my unvote in 400, since I didn't specify who I was unvoting, so he must have read some of the prior pages). This all just makes me think that he is scum who hasn't read the game but has skimmed the past few pages, but doesn't want to have to actually take stances on anything there because the direction of the game is so hard to predict right now (or any number of other reasons) and so is claiming to have just not read anything at all.-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
So bnl scum is scrambling to save his lifeIn post 470, Awoo wrote:Scum scrambling to save BNL's life
By unvoting the l-1 wagon?????-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
Also, just for clarity,
A vt from what game?In post 494, Espeonage wrote:I'm a vt, much to my chagrin.-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar
-
-
implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
- Polymath
- Polymath
- Posts: 14653
- Joined: September 9, 2010
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: zoraster's wine cellar