Mini 2032: Children of Hurin Mafia - Game Over

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I do think wisdom is town here btw

mariar's towncase on wisdom is solid. he has no motivation as scum to attack nero the way he is doing in his game and I think his entire posting otherwise has been towny.

ISO him in both Labrynth and Forgotten Hourglass and tell me if you change your mind on that.

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Tora who's scum? I'm at FAQ/Almost/Kokichi/Creature/Cee Poe
pedit: THANK YOU FFS

I'm at ceejay and gamma but you wouldn't agree with it

I'm pretty sure creature is town. almost is town. I think FAQ2 might be town. kokichi looks decent too.

Gamma’s recent posts have been pretty townie and ceejay could just be lhf.

Why are you townreading the guy who is pushing Nero with a bad metacase and nothing freaking else?

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Kokichi, you were quick to scumread Wisdom in both FG Alice games, why not here? At what point, did he overwhelm you with his towniness?

When did I ever say I townread him? This post is very misleading.

One of the games I had a guilty on him, so of course I'd tunnel him.

I don’t think it is but it’s kind of irrelevant anyway. The gist of my question, is why aren’t you more suspicious of him,

in this game

?

Because he literally just subbed in.

And hardpushed 2 players - one based on a shitty metacase?

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And like I said 2 times already, I can see CM1 targeting me

How the fuck can see CM1 targetting you when he has 1 rvs post lol

+1

Why do you think scum wanted to target you, Kokichi? And why do you think they killed Nos over you?

I should ask everyone their theory wrt the Nos NK. So far, Nero and me are the only ones to even speculate on it and Tora outright debunked by theory - eventhough it makes perfect sense.

If anyone else has and I somehow missed it, my apologies.

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Ftr I dont tr Maria. I just said that to see how she would respond

ISO him in both Labrynth and Forgotten Hourglass and tell me if you change your mind on that.

What do you think of the claim then

I’m highly sceptical about it. Why isn’t everyone else?

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And hardpushed 2 players -

So. Hes being himself? Thanks.

Kokichi, you were quick to scumread Wisdom in both FG Alice games, why not here? At what point, did he overwhelm you with his towniness?

When did I ever say I townread him? This post is very misleading.

One of the games I had a guilty on him, so of course I'd tunnel him.

I don’t think it is but it’s kind of irrelevant anyway. The gist of my question, is why aren’t you more suspicious of him,

in this game

?

Because he literally just subbed in.

And hardpushed 2 players -

one based on a shitty metacase?

You just happened to leave that part out?

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This feels real, I guess.

His target was real but not the role used. Town BG would be on someone that voted and pushed Pork

. Wisdom is prob a scum rolecop.

im not good at convincing, im good at catching scum after I push all town for the entire first half of the game

there, its accurate now

Agree with the bolded and that would make sense - except that town!Kokichi should be a lot more suspicious of Wisdom, than he is here but you could be right, I suppose.

And

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Is anyone solving the game?

Nero/me/you - Wisdom expects to be townread for being on the playerlist.

My vote will still probably be on Wisdom. I’m not sold on Kokichi being obvtown but meh.

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also if anyone not nancy could tell me why nero is pushing a bg claim as town thatd be great

scum claim BG all the time.

Ding, ding.

Just keep discrediting me Wisdom, I still have a hardgut scumread on you and if - by some miracle - you are actually town here - then that would be a first.

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Is anyone solving the game?

Nero/me/you - Wisdom expects to be townread for being on the playerlist.

My vote will still probably be on Wisdom. I’m not sold on Kokichi being obvtown but meh.

is this nancy

Yes.

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ive solved it ages now creature

But unfortunately you have no way to communicate that tous plebs, amirite?

Tragic.

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maria any post that calls me scum has some functioning braincells.

Fixed it for you.

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Wisdom, how is Nero scum?

And if I don’t like your answer, my vote is fucking going back on you!

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maria any post that calls me scum is nancy

I'm getting annoyed tbh

That makes at least 2 of us then.

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Is anyone solving the game?

Nero/me/you - Wisdom expects to be townread for being on the playerlist.

My vote will still probably be on Wisdom. I’m not sold on Kokichi being obvtown but meh.

is this nancy

Yes.

Pls stop the tunnel

Sure, I won’t try to do jack to attempt to stop any potential mislynches because I want town to lose.

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TBF he's explained it dd nauseam. He's saying scum meta, bad case on FAQ, I'm missrepping him and...I forgot the last thing.

He’s

God

Wisdom and we’re not allowed to scumread him?

Oh, he’s town because he says he is.

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Slip

Yeah right.

You want me to claim my totally useless role?

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Slip

Yeah right.

You want me to claim my totally useless role?

P.edit, if the NAs hadn’t been totally bungled, I’d actually would have been able to not only get confirmation but possibly catch scum, if whomever I targeted failed to confirm it but my useless information was only sent out after 4:00 am and before tw and I could figure out what to do about it, Nos had already been flipped.

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Each night, I get information on the setup but can only share it one time, with a player of my choosing.

So, I got the totally earth shattering game-changing info - that wait for it:

That there are 3 scum in the game, total. Something, that anyone with half a brain had already figured out anyway.

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Wait, is the worst even posting?

He did yesterday.

Do you want me to poke him again?

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nancy why did you just decide to lolclaim?

how does that make sense

kokichi why would you even call it a slip? do you think nancy is ever scum here?

We - tw and I had already agreed to do this anyway. And it’s true and assuming the mods don’t screw up again, tonight, I can prove it.

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I would like his thoughts yes because you seem mainly so focused on wisdon you taking a step back would be a bit nice nancy

Well, I asked him to post. I can’t do anymore than that.

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Each night, I get information on the setup but can only share it one time, with a player of my choosing.

So, I got the totally earth shattering game-changing info - that wait for it:

That there are 3 scum in the game, total. Something, that anyone with half a brain had already figured out anyway.

Well at least you weren't told pregnant women are far more likely to go into labour than non-pregnant women.

Probably more useful than what I got told.

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Not true. As the person scumreading me has the most experience with me

really? maybe I should listen to her

So, you think we should listen to Maria and vote you (Kokichi)? You were apparently targeted for whatever reason by CM, according to Wisdom. If so I don’t really understand why but you’re trolling for some reason. I just don’t know whether it’s AI or not.

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Tora, Nero, A50, Creature. - probably alltown. I’m feeling better about Maria again, as well.

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ok yeah. Gamma is probs town?

FA/Wisdom-book it, danno.

ALL HAIL QUEEN NANCY!

I think it’s actually Kokichi+Wisdom
VOTE: Kokichi I want this first because the Wisdom read is a piecemeal case while this one I feel has a more cohesive and generally stronger case

Hmm . . . Maybe Maria is (half) right? I could see how Kokichi could possibly be scum here. Something feels off about his tone. Maria OTOH, has good tone here.

I don’t really see Kokichi and Wisdom as w/w though but I obviously could be wrong about that.

I should ISO him in Necromancer. Kokichi tone in both FG games and Heroes seems very different than here.

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Nah, Kokichi doesn’t sound similar to Necromancer. He isn’t pushing anyone here like he did in that game.

FA_QT, why are you so convinced that there’s one scum on wagon and one scum off? And are you still sr Nero and why?

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{creature, nero}
{fuwa, maria}
{quack, nn15, kokichi, parrot, frozen}
{cmod1, q2}
{porkens}

something like that

Nero was Nos #2 read. No way does Nero ever kill Nos here.

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VC the 2nd

Porkens (1): Frozenaga
Frozenaga (2): Fuwa Fuwa Time, Creature
Fuwa Fuwa Time (3): snuggly quackdrew, FA_Q2, MariaR
snuggly quackdrew (2): Not Known 15, Nero Cain
CreativeMod1 (1): Nosferatu
Not Known 15 (1): CreativeMod1.

Not Voting (3): Kokichi Oma, Porkens, Pernicious Parrot

Doubling down on Tora townread. He was on Pork before anyone else.

Is there away to check vote history. I wonder when QT switched his vote to Nero.

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still catching up, somewhere around

{snugz}
{Nero, Frozenaga, MariaR}
{A50}
null: {GEm, Kokichi, FA_Q2, Parrot}
{Wisdom}
{Creature}

too many nullreads will try and fix later

I don’t think Creature is scum, just kind of frustrating. Nos had him as his #1 townread. QT’s Nero vote is NAGL. I’m just trying to figure out if that means he and Wisdom are linked or if that’s just a coincidence.

What does Nos read on creature have to do with him not being scum?

It is a really big assumption that scum are going to avoid targeting a player because one of them is a TR.

NAGL?

Tell me there is a master listing of acronyms. There are decidedly more than I remember from my games here before.

Not a good look. Check MafiaScum Wiki, there’s a listing of aconyms on there.

Wrt the bolded. Unless there are other reasons, scum rarely targets the player who has them as their top townread. In Heroes, I never would have targeted Ausaka, if she wasn’t stacked with powers. Scum might also kill a player, who is deemed to be unlynchable.

But Creature doesn’t fall into either category - he certainly didn’t on N1, so I think my theory makes sense.

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wtf is this. I cant leave for one damn day.

assuming pig flips scum (because if town self hammered they should never come back) -

I have nero and FFT as most likely scum partners. Nero's bs in general had me pinging him as scum already and he looks to be avoiding the pig wagon while creating a counter even though he was active through it. FFT's vote there was rather lackluster and could easilly be bussing. I have not like FFT at all and the hostility with people asking for reasoning is anti-town at best, scum cover at worst and I am leaning scum there.

I don't see NK15 placing that vote if he were scum though with pig hammering. Same with NOS, posts don't make a lot of sense with pig scum.

Nero's misrepping what I stated here:

Scum are plenty capable of being active and he only has 5 more posts than Brian's hydra. Why do those 5 posts make him not scummy but 5 less posts make Brian scummy?

If activity was the source of my read you would have a point. Since that is clearly NOT what I said, you do not. Activity is not a tell one way or another. Pointing out post count is not relevant.

Why couldn’t NK15, not have placed that vote as scum? Pork was going down anyway, why couldn’t he have jumped on at the end for a liitle towncred?

I didn't say that he could not have. I did say that it does not make sense to me. It does not make sense to me that both of the last votes there would be from scum unless there was some serious hate going on on their thread. Pork was not going down either. That self hammer was rather asinine. The game had barely started and pork was really the first wagon. It looks more like simply giving up to me more than anything.

Nero looks like porks most likely partner for the reasons that I pointed out eod.

VOTE: nero

No, Pork was 100% going down and she knew it.

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392, Nancy

Thanks, I found it.

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wtf is this. I cant leave for one damn day.

assuming pig flips scum (because if town self hammered they should never come back) -

I have nero and FFT as most likely scum partners. Nero's bs in general had me pinging him as scum already and he looks to be avoiding the pig wagon while creating a counter even though he was active through it. FFT's vote there was rather lackluster and could easilly be bussing. I have not like FFT at all and the hostility with people asking for reasoning is anti-town at best, scum cover at worst and I am leaning scum there.

I don't see NK15 placing that vote if he were scum though with pig hammering. Same with NOS, posts don't make a lot of sense with pig scum.

Nero's misrepping what I stated here:

Scum are plenty capable of being active and he only has 5 more posts than Brian's hydra. Why do those 5 posts make him not scummy but 5 less posts make Brian scummy?

If activity was the source of my read you would have a point. Since that is clearly NOT what I said, you do not. Activity is not a tell one way or another. Pointing out post count is not relevant.

So how do you feel about A50 then? Nothing remotely “hostile” there. Ok, QT has no familiarity with Nero meta. Could explain a lot?

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Okay, just popping in to say, I’m liking Nero, FA_QT and Maria for town.

~Nancy

There r no scum on Page 1

Frozenaga town already

Frozenaga town already

lolol

and you're town already too

how about that haters

go team brazil

-tor

I want reasons for these townreads.

Nero Cain should always be high in sorting priority because he's a fairly easy read

Why should he be high in sorting priority if he's fairly easy read?
He can probably sorted without me needing to do anything anyway.

agree. If I'm so easy then you should be trying to sort harder to read players first, not me

there's nothing wrong with their posting and your vague as fuck "squirmy and defensive" means nothing to me.

Yes.

I'll be back after TW decides to stop trying to lurk the pressure off of him.

This doesn't look good, however. Mud-slinging. TW posted alot.

and it's like 7 to lynch and we still have eons of time on the clock. Freaking out about a 2nd vote doesn't make sense from town.

Nero is right, here.

Not moving my vote.

and

Not liking these posts at all. First NK is agreeing with Nero, that tw’s posts are scummy. Then he accuses Nero of “mudslinging”, then he once again agrees with Nero about tw’s reaction to a 2nd vote?

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Nero's bs in general had me pinging him as scum already and he looks to be avoiding the pig wagon while creating a counter even though he was active through it.

You mean the same counterwagon he's been preaching all game?

-3

Nice catch from FFT.

Scum could be QT/Gamma.

I’m remembering why I initially townread Kokichi, so not liking Gamma ‘s push on him.

Wosdom is definitely wrong about Nero.

Alright, so I can go with QT or Gamma.

His NK Pork vote defense seems over the top to me, unlike Maria’s which seems to come from a town perspective.

One thing interesting me, is that CM targets Kokichi and Gamma is pushing him.

I can’t help gettting the sense that QT has TMI about Pork wagon. QT/Gamma would make total sense as scum.

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wtf is this. I cant leave for one damn day.

assuming pig flips scum (because if town self hammered they should never come back) -

I have nero and FFT as most likely scum partners. Nero's bs in general had me pinging him as scum already and he looks to be avoiding the pig wagon while creating a counter even though he was active through it. FFT's vote there was rather lackluster and could easilly be bussing. I have not like FFT at all and the hostility with people asking for reasoning is anti-town at best, scum cover at worst and I am leaning scum there.

I don't see NK15 placing that vote if he were scum though with pig hammering.

Same with NOS, posts don't make a lot of sense with pig scum.

Nero's misrepping what I stated here:

Scum are plenty capable of being active and he only has 5 more posts than Brian's hydra. Why do those 5 posts make him not scummy but 5 less posts make Brian scummy?

If activity was the source of my read you would have a point. Since that is clearly NOT what I said, you do not. Activity is not a tell one way or another. Pointing out post count is not relevant.

Why mention Nos specifically? It’s pretty damned obvious that Nos was never w/w with Pork.

Do you still think Nero is w/w with A50?

So QT is clearly saying that A50 is the scum on wagon and Nero, off.

But why can’t the scum on wagon be Gamma and the one off, be him - if you’re locked into that narrative?

Maria’s Gamma defense sounds believable, QT’s does not.

I think the most logical take would be that Pork wagon was pure, so QT insisting it wasn’t reads like TMI to me.

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how did nancy become so good at mafia

If this is a pocket, I’ll take it.

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I don't necessarily agree it's qt/gamma but these thoughts have depth and wisdom to them I wasn't expecting from someone with 2 finished scum games total

I’m full of surprises.

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I only want to point out that roleblocker vs bodyguard is a bit scumsided.

I have no way of knowing if I'm rb'd cause I dont have an investigation role. So I believe the bodyguard

You couldn’t have been rb’d becuase we already lynched the scum rolebloker - Pork, so suffice it to say, that whatever Wisdom’s role is - it defacto cannot be scum rb.

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Watch this be like a Tor/FAQ scum team. Or Tor/Maria.

I’d totally be gobsmacked in that case.

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VOTE: Porkens

Lynch -1

Their reactions are way over the top, and their posts make zero sense as town.
Lynch this.

Hes prob town but I wanna hammer

VOTE: Porkens

Okay, doesn’t clear up Wisdom’s alignment but totally backs up his debunking of the NK/Pork coordination argument.

Kokichi post, obviously got in the way. So, I think we can be done townclearing Gamma, based on this.

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I mean it could possibly be coordinated in the sense that Porks team saw him going down and hopped on for town credit but it may or may not be coordinated in the sense that Pork and his team used scum chat as a plan to bus him.

Well my point is that after NK voted Pork, Pork couldn’t have foreseen Kokichi post - intending to hammer, so Pork maybe self-hammered before Kokichi could beat him to it.

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but sometimes it just seems like players tend to sign up for games and not play.

Do they stop playing ALL their games, or do they keep playing in one and stop playing the other? THIS is a key question, and is the core of the ellitell.

That may be relevant but sometimes I just dislike a game, so unless you have meta on a player ONLY doing that as scum, it has limited application.

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Can't players just pretend I don't have a guilty?

Not anymore. Your play at a guilty looks like role fishing. We have one scum caught. A guilty would put town in an amazing position. What are you trying to accomplish by beating around the bush?

Alignment fishing, clearly. Role fishing? I don’t really see that?

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can we not stray from the gamma lynch

VOTE: ceejay

I thought you wanted Gamma?

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VC 2.4

Gamma Emerald

(3): Wisdom 445, Kokichi Oma 503, frozenega 1348

Kokichi Oma

(1): MaraR 1325

Wisdom

(1): Gamma Emerald 933

Nero Cain

(1): FA_Q2 392

Almost50

(1): Creature 1108

FA_Q2

(1): Nero Cain 1282

Not Voting

(3): ceejayvinoya, Almost50 1131, snuggly quackdrew 39 1199

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
D2 ends October 8/18 at 1:30pm or in (expired on 2018-10-08 13:30:00)

Mod Notes:

I died at that Jynxxi Minaj Pic XD

Hell, it’s still early and I need to hear a lot more from this slot.

VOTE: FA_QT

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yeah but ceejay is scummy

Based on what A50 is saying or something else?

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Nero's bs in general had me pinging him as scum already and he looks to be avoiding the pig wagon while creating a counter even though he was active through it.

You mean the same counterwagon he's been preaching all game?

-3

@FA_QT , did you ever respond to this? How can you not be aware of the fact that Nero had been scumreading our slot, well before the Pork wagon even started? Your accusation of him opportunistically voting on us to derail Pork, had been disproven, as well as your clearing of NK Pork vote, due to Kokichi post immediately following - threatening to hammer. Any thoughts about this?

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he's scummy since he's doing shit all.

Could be, I’m not opposed to this vote, just not sure it’s the best one - yet. Depending on the reactions it generates, that could definitely change. Who is CJ’s partner? I want to get more information on his slot, because his flip rn - doesn’t help us learn who his partner is.

No one has actually objected to this vote so far, so I want to see if there’s any resistance to this wagon and from whom.

Because if CJ is scum, no way is there 0 resistance to his lynch, with only 2 scum left in the game on D2.

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Gamma can you remind me of your scumreads?

I’m still suspecting Wisdom (while I don’t think the claim is bad it does nothing to improve my read as BG is a rather low-rush claim), I suspect Kokichi a little but some of what I was suspecting I don’t suspect as much, and ceejay is a suspect now

What is your read on QT?

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FA_QT/CJ

I’m not voting Gamma today.

Are you opposed to a CJ wagon, Wisdom? I would prefer FA_QT over anyone.

I was reconsidering my scumread on you when you switched to CJ. Why are so convinced he isn’t scum?

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Wsdom, P.edit. Nero is obvtown, so forget about that.

Your sr on Nero=Katsuki’s sr on me in Hourglass.

A50, tell me why Wisdom is a better lynch than QT/CJ? Thanks.

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L-1

GOGOGOGO HAMMER

3 people prodded guys

it's time to move on from this gameday already

I miss my hydra partner :~

am i going to regret switching? probably

VOTE: gamma

come on

who is ceejay's buddy, tora?

we're just lynching a lazy lynchbait thats flipping town

Vote gamma.

Is A50 right here? Why did you suddenly jump off a of CJ onto Gamma, just as he was about to be hammered?

Changing your vote back to Gamma isn’t suspicious but the timing - DEFINITELY is.

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he's scummy since he's doing shit all.

Could be, I’m not opposed to this vote, just not sure it’s the best one - yet. Depending on the reactions it generates, that could definitely change. Who is CJ’s partner? I want to get more information on his slot, because his flip rn - doesn’t help us learn who his partner is.

No one has actually objected to this vote so far, so I want to see if there’s any resistance to this wagon and from whom.

Because if CJ is scum, no way is there 0 resistance to his lynch, with only 2 scum left in the game on D2.

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: Wisdom

I agree with A50. Wisdom’s sudden jump off of CJ -

right before hammer

, is as scummy af.

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its funny how that statement is correct but youre using it incorrectly

There is no resistance, nancy, like you said

Who is his buddy?

the answer is nobody, hes just lynchbait

Then why did you wait until almost hammer, to jump off?

Your switching back to Gamma isn’t suspicious

but the TIMING of it

, sure as hell is.

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where do i apply to play with less shallow people

Why didn’t you jump off sooner?

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If something had happened in the thread to change your mind, no that would have not have been scummy but you pretty much did a complete 180 on that slot and right before hammer.

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I tire of this day. You want to lynch me duck - do it tomorrow. Jumping off the wagon was rather bizarre so late and I am unsure of why you were defending me so hard before (and why suddenly that changed).

VOTE: wisdom

What part of me being a hydra, do you not understand?

I am in a hydra with tw. He’s the one who “defended” you not me but if Wisdom flips red, I promise to apologize - if I am still alive. Ok?

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I tire of this day. You want to lynch me duck - do it tomorrow. Jumping off the wagon was rather bizarre so late and I am unsure of why you were defending me so hard before (and why suddenly that changed).

VOTE: wisdom

What part of me being a hydra, do you not understand?

I am in a hydra with tw. He’s the one who “defended” you not me but if Wisdom flips red, I promise to apologize - if I am still alive. Ok?

sorry I was not clear.

That was in reference to WISDOM hard defending me.

Yeah, more reasons to keep my vote where it would is.

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and i really hate that earlier in the day we had almost identical thoughts and now youre almost as shallow as nancy but thats how life is
Youll get your mislynch be it cj or me and then youll maybe understand i was right while nancy will find some new moonlogic to chase

I want to be clear, had you jumped off TEMPORARILY to stop early maj - townie

Voting CJ early and doing a 180 and jumping back onto Gamma

right before hammer

= scummy

New POE:

Wisdom/CJ/Kokichi

If Wsdom flips red and CJ green, Kokichi is his most likely partner. Similar to Maria in Hourglass - something is weird about their interactions in this game.

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UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:

Unvoted on main account

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prodoge

How I feel about this game rn.

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Spoiler:

when you learn to understand thought processes without rushing to bs conclusions call me

Your methods of persuasion needs work.

i was just making sure, nero, jeez

because if youre saying me, cj and kokichi are town it means we agree

Alright, so tell me why YOU think FA_QT is scum?

And why - once again - the shift on that slot?

UNVOTE:

im shallow?

as a kiddie pool

A50, tell me why Wisdom is a better lynch than QT/CJ? Thanks.

I've explained it, and I linked examples of previous events. What more can I say or do?

The problem with things like this and the ellitell, they’re not conclusive. You can also mislynch that way. I mean sure - in addition to other clearly damning evidence, it’s certainly useful but on its own - not enough really to hang someone based solely on that, IMO.

Dude man its been like this for awhile. ur just pitching a fit b/c u aren't getting your way and u aren't getting the idol worship u want.

Mods, can we have a VC please?

Yawn

How's the mislynch going?

I don’t even know who’s the lead wagon rn. Who do you think is a mislynch? CJ, Wisdom, or FA_QT?

fa is the lead wagon

So why does Creature consider him to be a mislynch?

And how many votes does he have atm?

@Nancy: Do you realize it's

the same slot

though? The same slot gave two different scumtells for me. Do you expect me to still ignore it?

No, of course not, I didn’t mean that, only that I don’t want to lynch solely based on that. I obviously have no problem lynching anyone whom I am convinced is scum.

I think we lynch who has the most likely scumtells based by gameplay. reads and voting. I’m not townreading Wisdom, just not sure he’s the scummiest player in the game atm.

RN, I want to lynch in QT/CJ/Wisdom/Gamma - not in any particular order. I’m just trying to figure out which one today.

All of my Nancy posts. You’re welcome.

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oh, he's @ L1 now with Kokichi's vote. Claim time bro.

+1

FA_QT, Claim or resign yourself to the quackhammer.

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I am your watcher. No information.

Who'd you target last night?

I have no patience left for you nero - buzz off.

When I flip, you are all going to ignore every damn thing I said anyway so do whatever you want.

Nero, asked you a perfectly reasonable question. You’re either scum or antitown with that response. :/

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I don't like Almost50 this dayphase.

tbh I wanted to keep MariaR for later, but [b{I can't find one other scum other than Wisdom[/b].

What don’t you like about A50?

And why Maria?

If you want Wisdom, why vote A50?

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hammer?

Okay.

VOTE: FA_QT

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If FAQ2 flips town, ^ is tomorrow's lynch

Creature, I’m town and I probably won’t even be alive for lynch unless I get protected. Either me or my target will have new info. tomorrow, so scumread me all you like.

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but it does stun me a little she hammered so easily given i also wanted it

Lololol, what makes you think my decision had jack to do with you?

Nero asked me to hammer and I hardtown read him in this game but sure make it all about you.

If QT flips green, if I am somehow alive tomorrow and you don’t have a convincing answer for whom you bged N2, I’m 100% voting you.

Don’t think you won’t be my next lynch candidate, if QT flips green. If he flips red, you’re obviously off the hook.

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If FAQ2 flips town, ^ is tomorrow's lynch

Creature, I’m town and I probably won’t even be alive for lynch unless I get protected. Either me or my target will have new info. tomorrow, so scumread me all you like.

Why do I say this? Because if scum doesn’t kill me and I PM the wrong person and they therefore cannot confirm me, at least one of us will have new info to share. However, if I can outguess scum and target someone who isn’t highly likely to be the NK, I might actually have both info and confirmation as well. I’m obviously hoping that will be the case.

The only real downside is if I die and target scum and they fail to share the info. So, I have to be extremely careful whom I share the info with.

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so you're saying i should protect you?

I can’t tell you what to do but Fact: My role is not a “lolclaim” like Tora thinks. Each night I get new info about the setup but can only share it one time via PM.

Who do you think scum sees as the current biggest threat in the game? If you think that having nightly access to setup info. is a serious threat to scum, then yes you obviously should.

Like I said, the only really bad decision tw and I can possibly make is if we die and we mistakenly send the info to scum, so they cannot confirm the new setup info.

If you do decide to bg me, you should post in the thread who you want to lynch next if QT flips red - I’m assuming Gamma and if he flips green, in case I was the target.

If QT flips red, I’m probably voting Gamma if I’m alive and if green, you.

It’s your call.

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should i protect you or your target?

maybe you should just claim and coordinate with me?

I thought I already had. I don’t get any new info until the night. I already said, I received info that there are 3 scum in the game - so that means including Pork.

Who knows what I will find out tonight but thanks to the one time PM aspect of my role, so long as I don’t mistakenly send it to scum, town will receive it - one way or another.

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should i protect you or your target?

maybe you should just claim and coordinate with me?

How can I possibly do that? Are you asking me to PM you the info?

I’m obviously not going to out my target in this thread, that would be hella stupid, don’t you think?

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I think if QT flips scum then I'd want Tor maybe.

Though Creature claiming a FN type role and targeting FAQ gives me the heebies (assuming he flips scum)

FN?

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I think if QT flips scum then I'd want Tor maybe.

Though Creature claiming a FN type role and targeting FAQ gives me the heebies (assuming he flips scum)

Why do you think Tor would be QT’s most likely partner?

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just to clarify-you are told random info about the game and then you are able to send a PM one time in the game?

Correct. I get info every night but can only PM it one time to one player.

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no Nancy i had forgotten your claim so depending on what you had it was maybe worth claiming both role and target so we coordinate

no need for that now

Wisdom, why tf would I claim my target? I don’t want them to get NKed. Duh!

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no Nancy i had forgotten your claim so depending on what you had it was maybe worth claiming both role and target so we coordinate

no need for that now

Wisdom, why tf would I claim my target? I don’t want them to get NKed. Duh!

because then i would protect them and they wouldnt die
But that's if you had something stronger than setup info, like an amnesiac cop

How do I know you aren’t scum or that scum doesn’t have a 2-shot kill? I don’t. Why don’t you protect me if you’re really that worried?

Don’t you think scum would kill me over my target anyway? I get info every night and my target only gets it once.

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no Nancy i had forgotten your claim so depending on what you had it was maybe worth claiming both role and target so we coordinate

no need for that now

Wisdom, why tf would I claim my target? I don’t want them to get NKed. Duh!

because then i would protect them and they wouldnt die
But that's if you had something stronger than setup info, like an amnesiac cop

I won’t know that until I receive it.

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Nancy, send it to me.

If I agree to do that, am I not guaranteeing your death tonight assuming of course, scum doesn’t have a 2-shot or think I’m safe. I haven’t even picked my target yet.

If I reveal my target, they might die. For all I know, both my target and me might both die. It’s best that scum doesn’t know whom my target is until after the fact.

If I die and I correctly sent it to town, then they will share that info in the thread.

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and yeah, obviously gamma next

What if QT flips green? Do you still want Gamma?

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Who is scum if he's scum and who is scum if he isn't?

If he's scum I'm dying
If he's town I'm dying anyway

Why would you die over me?

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Who is scum if he's scum and who is scum if he isn't?

If he's scum I'm dying
If he's town I'm dying anyway

Why would you die over me?

Unless scum does have a 2-shot?

All we know is they have no rb anymore.

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in addition to my other ability, I can post once after death.

Ah, so you can 100% confirm?

So, my info is guaranteed to be posted if I send it to you.

Well if QT flips green, no way in hell am I sending it to Wisdom obviously.

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also knowing nobody targeted someone is information
it makes no sense to withheld it

Idk sounded more like a no result via wording
FAQ2 do you have time to full claim to get your info into the thread?

This is why I hammered. QT’s over the top defensiveness made 0 sense. His reaction to Nero’s question was seriously wtf?

Sorry about that. Mods, please don’t replace me, it was an accident.

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FAQ2 won't say anything more?

I’m going to assume he didn’t watch Nos or he would have claimed that.

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Can't players just pretend I don't have a guilty?

Not anymore. Your play at a guilty looks like role fishing. We have one scum caught. A guilty would put town in an amazing position. What are you trying to accomplish by beating around the bush?

I never understood this post. Where the hell did he get role fishing from?

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I mean: is he antispew?

Could be? Like why not say, I targeted X yesterday and no one visited them? He’s just being so unnecessarily cagey and he never answered my Nero question wrt our wagon, nor how the Kokichi post debunks his NK towncleared theory.

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QT, I wish you had done all of this before I hammered. Your over the top defensiveness pinged me. :/

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VOTE: FAQ

Faq it

Awful hammer btw. His claim was clearly town. Get gamma tomorrow?

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his claim wasnt clearly town kokichi
dont make me worry about you now

Lol he voted him. I couldn’t have hammered without help.

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And yeah i was probably right the first time and its gamma/nero

I doubt it’s Nero. I don’t even understand why you’re still scumreading him.

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oh, he's @ L1 now with Kokichi's vote. Claim time bro.

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VOTE: FAQ

Faq it

Awful hammer btw. His claim was clearly town. Get gamma tomorrow?

And yeah i was probably right the first time and its gamma/nero

I find Kokichi putting QT at L-1, then criticizing my hammer curious.

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then who is, nero? Your pet scumread got lynched, what now?

You know, not exactly a fan of Kokichi criticising me and you shading Nero for pretty much the exact same thing.

QT didn’t get lynched because of two votes.

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FAQ2, you should have full claimed with your target, my man. you made this game much harder cause it felt like you were frozen up or something.

+1

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nancy now we're kindof on the same wavelength: assume gamma is scum, and read nero's posts. You cant tell me you don't see him as a gamma buddy. Even when he posited kokichi, myself and cj are town he failed to automatically poe to gamma.

Explain to me why you are townreading Kokichi?

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then who is, nero? Your pet scumread got lynched, what now?

You know, not exactly a fan of Kokichi criticising me and you shading Nero for pretty much the exact same thing.

QT didn’t get lynched because of two votes.

i dont even

You completely failed to understand what im discussing with nero

I just ISO’d him and reread his interactions with Gamma. No I don’t think they’re w/w together.

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kill ceejay next

if it flips mafia, kill wisdom

youre so bad at this

I'm starting to agree with the idea that you're just disingenuously shading people because you're scum and your team is highly POE'd down. cheers to you for playing to your wincon hard if that's the case, but then if ceejay is mafia you are grossly tied to him.

you're towny on a surface but if I read into your actions, they look scum agenda driven.

I'm sure I look like a moron to you if you're town.

sigh the game is returning back to how it was

nero bullshitting and nancy hyperderping

im going away before i start banging on walls

Tora is right, you continue pushing on Nero, makes no sense and how am I “hyperderping” exactly?

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If QT flips green and I die, I think Wisdom/Kokichi are scum. Possibly CJ but Kokichi putting QT at WL-1, then criticizing me for hammering is kind of scummy.

ISO Wisdom/Maria in Hourglass, their interactions are similar to Wisdom/Kokichi here.

Both scapegoat others for QT lynch. How is that not scummy? If you were on that wagon anf you’re pointing fingers at others who also were=scummy IMO.

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its prob like Tor/a50 if neither FA or CJ are scum.

I don’t see how Tora is scum and it’s highly unlikely that both scum were on Pork wagon.

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How the fuck did i scapegoat learn to fucking comprehend

You/Kokichi blaming others for QT lynch. Stop being so dense. I’m still waiting on my Kokichi question. Why is he town?

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lol at nero trying to get people away from gamma while arguing with gamma

I mean, he might mean this one but I mean why do I have to scumread Gamma just b/c he attacked me?

Wisdom is trying to suggest that your interactions with Gamma are svs but I can’t see it at all. What is perplexing me, is why you’re townreading him (Wisdom) now?

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how do you feel about a mass claim tomorrow Nancy?

I think it’s a good idea. I especially want to hear Kokichi/Gamma/CJ/A50 claims.

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i cant explain it any better than i have

Nero avoids scumreading gamma like the plague even when poe leads straight to him

He now came up with tora and almost being scum despite both being pretty obvtown

If thats not obvious scumbuddy behavior to you then you don't know how to detect scumbuddies.

I don’t know why he’s scumreading Tora but your scumread on Nero isn’t any better IMO. I think they’re both town here.

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We replaced out because our role literally depended on us receiving the setup information on time and I had hardclaimed we would PM someone N2 - probably Nero but when the same goddamned thing happened again, no new setup info until close to end of N2, I had had it. Nos was flipped in the middle of the night 1 and dreadful modding by Jeanne, made me not want to play anymore.

Ari, tried his best but you can’t save the Titanic. Also the worst replaced out sitewide, so I would have no longer had a hydra partner.

~Nancy