Mini 2032: Children of Hurin Mafia - Game Over

[Kokichi Oma]

When did I say or imply I was above anyone?

[Kokichi Oma]

Though I guess I am the Ultimate Supreme Leader, so I am in charge.

[Toranaga]

it's a mixture of you underexplaining things on purpose all the time and then acting like everyone around is silly

[Toranaga]

which is fine from me personally, but when it becomes antitown it irritates me a bit

you didn't have to ask that to nancy, you surely know better

scum doesn't have to know the setup for us

[Kokichi Oma]

How come you haven't thought of the possibility of me being scum with Nancy and this is all show?

[Toranaga]

why would I think that when I townread both of you? I'm sure nancy is town even. if she is scum she is the best scum I ever played with.

[Toranaga]

why would you ask me something so ridiculous? is this more kokichi humour?

[Kokichi Oma]

I'm simply looking at this game from all options.

[Kokichi Oma]

I have no idea why people are townreading me. This isn't even a strong town game of mine.

[Toranaga]

people townread you because they know your playing style as town vs scum

I don't so I have to pick on little things you're doing that more often come from town and it adds up to a nice little townread

[Kokichi Oma]

Not true. As the person scumreading me has the most experience with me

[Toranaga]

really? maybe I should listen to her

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

nancy why did you just decide to lolclaim?

how does that make sense

kokichi why would you even call it a slip? do you think nancy is ever scum here?

We - tw and I had already agreed to do this anyway. And it’s true and assuming the mods don’t screw up again, tonight, I can prove it.

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

I would like his thoughts yes because you seem mainly so focused on wisdon you taking a step back would be a bit nice nancy

Well, I asked him to post. I can’t do anymore than that.

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

Each night, I get information on the setup but can only share it one time, with a player of my choosing.

So, I got the totally earth shattering game-changing info - that wait for it:

That there are 3 scum in the game, total. Something, that anyone with half a brain had already figured out anyway.

Well at least you weren't told pregnant women are far more likely to go into labour than non-pregnant women.

Probably more useful than what I got told.

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

Not true. As the person scumreading me has the most experience with me

really? maybe I should listen to her

So, you think we should listen to Maria and vote you (Kokichi)? You were apparently targeted for whatever reason by CM, according to Wisdom. If so I don’t really understand why but you’re trolling for some reason. I just don’t know whether it’s AI or not.

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

Tora, Nero, A50, Creature. - probably alltown. I’m feeling better about Maria again, as well.

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

ok yeah. Gamma is probs town?

FA/Wisdom-book it, danno.

ALL HAIL QUEEN NANCY!

I think it’s actually Kokichi+Wisdom
VOTE: Kokichi I want this first because the Wisdom read is a piecemeal case while this one I feel has a more cohesive and generally stronger case

Hmm . . . Maybe Maria is (half) right? I could see how Kokichi could possibly be scum here. Something feels off about his tone. Maria OTOH, has good tone here.

I don’t really see Kokichi and Wisdom as w/w though but I obviously could be wrong about that.

I should ISO him in Necromancer. Kokichi tone in both FG games and Heroes seems very different than here.

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

Nah, Kokichi doesn’t sound similar to Necromancer. He isn’t pushing anyone here like he did in that game.

FA_QT, why are you so convinced that there’s one scum on wagon and one scum off? And are you still sr Nero and why?

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

{creature, nero}
{fuwa, maria}
{quack, nn15, kokichi, parrot, frozen}
{cmod1, q2}
{porkens}

something like that

Nero was Nos #2 read. No way does Nero ever kill Nos here.

[Wisdom]

why is gamma still alive

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

VC the 2nd

Porkens (1): Frozenaga
Frozenaga (2): Fuwa Fuwa Time, Creature
Fuwa Fuwa Time (3): snuggly quackdrew, FA_Q2, MariaR
snuggly quackdrew (2): Not Known 15, Nero Cain
CreativeMod1 (1): Nosferatu
Not Known 15 (1): CreativeMod1.

Not Voting (3): Kokichi Oma, Porkens, Pernicious Parrot

Doubling down on Tora townread. He was on Pork before anyone else.

Is there away to check vote history. I wonder when QT switched his vote to Nero.

[Wisdom]

392, Nancy

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

still catching up, somewhere around

{snugz}
{Nero, Frozenaga, MariaR}
{A50}
null: {GEm, Kokichi, FA_Q2, Parrot}
{Wisdom}
{Creature}

too many nullreads will try and fix later

I don’t think Creature is scum, just kind of frustrating. Nos had him as his #1 townread. QT’s Nero vote is NAGL. I’m just trying to figure out if that means he and Wisdom are linked or if that’s just a coincidence.

What does Nos read on creature have to do with him not being scum?

It is a really big assumption that scum are going to avoid targeting a player because one of them is a TR.

NAGL?

Tell me there is a master listing of acronyms. There are decidedly more than I remember from my games here before.

Not a good look. Check MafiaScum Wiki, there’s a listing of aconyms on there.

Wrt the bolded. Unless there are other reasons, scum rarely targets the player who has them as their top townread. In Heroes, I never would have targeted Ausaka, if she wasn’t stacked with powers. Scum might also kill a player, who is deemed to be unlynchable.

But Creature doesn’t fall into either category - he certainly didn’t on N1, so I think my theory makes sense.

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

wtf is this. I cant leave for one damn day.

assuming pig flips scum (because if town self hammered they should never come back) -

I have nero and FFT as most likely scum partners. Nero's bs in general had me pinging him as scum already and he looks to be avoiding the pig wagon while creating a counter even though he was active through it. FFT's vote there was rather lackluster and could easilly be bussing. I have not like FFT at all and the hostility with people asking for reasoning is anti-town at best, scum cover at worst and I am leaning scum there.

I don't see NK15 placing that vote if he were scum though with pig hammering. Same with NOS, posts don't make a lot of sense with pig scum.

Nero's misrepping what I stated here:

Scum are plenty capable of being active and he only has 5 more posts than Brian's hydra. Why do those 5 posts make him not scummy but 5 less posts make Brian scummy?

If activity was the source of my read you would have a point. Since that is clearly NOT what I said, you do not. Activity is not a tell one way or another. Pointing out post count is not relevant.

Why couldn’t NK15, not have placed that vote as scum? Pork was going down anyway, why couldn’t he have jumped on at the end for a liitle towncred?

I didn't say that he could not have. I did say that it does not make sense to me. It does not make sense to me that both of the last votes there would be from scum unless there was some serious hate going on on their thread. Pork was not going down either. That self hammer was rather asinine. The game had barely started and pork was really the first wagon. It looks more like simply giving up to me more than anything.

Nero looks like porks most likely partner for the reasons that I pointed out eod.

VOTE: nero

No, Pork was 100% going down and she knew it.