Mini 2034: DnD uPick (Town Victory!)

[RightKnight]

Also please define “this pool” for a simple man such as myself.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Because I think that Maria isn't town aligned

Okay...why don’t you?

And please address my question about Kokichi?

Why does a treestump N1 redirect the kill? He said Thunderwave was random.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

math stop speculating ffs
we dont know the dance caused the redirection yet youre taking it for granted and using it to determine alignments

It’s not speculation it’s logic:

We do not have a redirection capability.

These are all the possible cases
I am town Gamma town
I am town Gamma scum

The others are removed as not possible

Gamma if scum would have had to intentionally been targeting Eragon after claiming to target me OR have been scum targeting me and been hit by a redirection effect.

Gamma if town would have had to have been hit by a redirection effect.

No one has claimed to do said redirection effect:

This means either A) Maria is town protecting us with whatever dancing buff it is.
Or B) Scum put a redirection ability on us to redirect us
Or C) Gamma is scum.

Maria being scum with the redirection power would necessarily require Maria to know someone was going to target us which requires Gamma scum.

The way she went after Kokichi eliminates that possibility as Kokichi has already claimed a redirection power and Maria has been in the Kokichi scum camp. Combined with a claimed N1 treestump “redirecting the kill”

This means the most likely solution is Kokichi’s scum and Maria is town.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

RK how are you proven to not be scum?

Because
1) Our Role PM
2) We “stole” the strongman scroll from Kokichi
3) The rogue hood we outed Day One. Scum rogue flipped already and no one else’s existence in the hood. Any other rogue would be a scum claim at this point.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

RK I think the best play is to vote Gamma here. If Wisdom is scum he's gong after someone who would most likely be a ML down the road anyway if scd flips town he'd kinda be doomed and I would expect a scum wisdom to go for someone higher on the chain then scd. Kokichi after some thinking falls into the same bucket as RC. People who think they can read me but can't period. I'm Maria so stuff I do is likely to come from scum more than town no matter how towny I become. The facts prove they do this and we gotta live with it even if those boys will be in denial all game. Gamma has thrown shade at townreads and appealed to other people a lot this game and he's trying to doubt reads when town seem to correctly be getting said reads. I believe he's the best wagon for today
VOTE: Gamma

I will talk it over with Nancy but last we spoke we agreed Gamma was a townread.

She’s driving the vote right now and since we are in agreement here there is very little chance if any we vote Gamma here.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

I suppose it would be interesting to see who people to go blame after your flip. Sure thing you're right I'll just go for gamma tomorrow then.

VOTE: Wisdom

I think both of these ideas are a bad idea.

Because this leads to Wisdom if scum killing anyone
Or the latter
Two townreads gone.

I don’t think lynching Wisdom is smart either.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

youre asking for another lynch when its best for everyone im the lynch
only way that makes sense is ive nailed you and your buddy

Who do you think her buddy is? I obviously think your dead wrong about Maria. Castle must have misunderstood me. I am far from townlocking Gamma.

~Checkmate

[RightKnight]

Do you think he should be vigged or something?

No because he claimed PGO and the vig would die. I do think Wisdom is probably town though. I would be willing to lynch there, if I agreed with his target but since that’s you, I still don’t see how 2 back-back likely town deaths is at all helpful.

[RightKnight]

because everyone and their cat scumreads me and they get to progress when im out
and i get a kill

No way scum!Wisdom makes this kind of post.

[RightKnight]

youre asking for another lynch when its best for everyone im the lynch
only way that makes sense is ive nailed you and your buddy

Who do you think her buddy is? I obviously think your dead wrong about Maria. Castle must have misunderstood me. I am far from townlocking Gamma.

~Checkmate

if you paid attention youd know

Yes, you obviously mean Schaad. I missed that. Tell me why you think he’s scum.

[RightKnight]

Gamma can you use your ability that silences rk for 48 hours so the game can be played

i mite wanna have them steal an ability from me first

Just saw this. We can’t steal a specific ability, what we have is a

role

steal. However, if we hypothetically could ability steal, what ability of yours would you like us to have?

~CM

[RightKnight]

poe
why isn't he scum?

I’m not saying he isn’t. I’m asking you, why he is.

[RightKnight]

and i answered so alls good

Where? All you said was “POE”?

[RightKnight]

I wish I had a dayvig

Literally praying I get one tonight

If you still want to vig us, it will fail. Jsyk.

[RightKnight]

Not if I use my strongarm. Lol. But if I get one I wont shoot you. I'll just ignore you

Good to know but we also have strongman and could use it with our bp.

[RightKnight]

Acting for death here is stupid.

If there ever is a lylo he goes to that. Unless he is a bonafide scumread don’t lynch him.

It creates an impossible to win lylo for scum with Wisdom if he is town.

Of course if you scumread him lynch away but until Kokichi explains why he had to redirect a kill N1 as a bulletproof N1 (his words)
Kokichi is a better lynch.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

My poe is just Gamma Kokichi and Scd for the most part. If wisdom wants to explain why Kokichi is town to me I'll listen but I don't think he's really done much besides fake claim and call me scum *shrug* it's just an excuse to scumread anyone but myself because he isn't doing anything.

Also why are you excluding RC?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Kokichi doesn't have a reason to sr me and he knows it. He's saying I'm dense but I'm not the only one calling Kokichi scum or saying he's not clear in fact a lot of people are. He's just focusing on me to fit his agenda. He knows he's not clear. He keeps saying he's x times clear but he can never list them because he knows they'll get disproven. He's won scumgames preaching to hell and back that he's clear but really he was just scum. This seems like an exact repeat of the same case.

If Kokichi wants to list out all the reasons he's clear. Or give other examples why I am scum since he sr's me everygame and he's so confident that he'll give up his account if he's wrong? That should be no problem. It doesn't take a genius to see that he's bsing that level of confidence because no one would bank there account off a "dense claim." He called me scum after it got clear he was faking.

Lastly you go on and off on how I can and can't read you before but then you say things like 'you should know this' or "maria knows this." You can't have the best of both worlds. If Wisdom wasn't acting for death I'd move my vote there.

That was earlier when you said you weren’t interested in sorting us as a reaction test. If you were referring to Kokichi, then disregard. lol

If Wisdom shoots scum, then he isn’t necessarily a bad lynch but it’s still probably better for us to just straight up vote who we think is scum. Wisdom keeps saying Schaad but I still don’t understand his reasons. If he can make a convincing case why Schaad is scum, I’m not opposed to voting there.

[RightKnight]

Acting for death here is stupid.

If there ever is a lylo he goes to that. Unless he is a bonafide scumread don’t lynch him.

It creates an impossible to win lylo for scum with Wisdom if he is town.

Of course if you scumread him lynch away but until Kokichi explains why he had to redirect a kill N1 as a bulletproof N1 (his words)
Kokichi is a better lynch.

~~Castle

Not if he’s lynchproof.

~Checkmate

[RightKnight]

My poe is just Gamma Kokichi and Scd for the most part. If wisdom wants to explain why Kokichi is town to me I'll listen but I don't think he's really done much besides fake claim and call me scum *shrug* it's just an excuse to scumread anyone but myself because he isn't doing anything.

Also why are you excluding RC?

~~Castle

I’m on the fence about RC, not interested in voting there rn.

~CM

[RightKnight]

Acting for death here is stupid.

If there ever is a lylo he goes to that. Unless he is a bonafide scumread don’t lynch him.

It creates an impossible to win lylo for scum with Wisdom if he is town.

Of course if you scumread him lynch away but until Kokichi explains why he had to redirect a kill N1 as a bulletproof N1 (his words)
Kokichi is a better lynch.

~~Castle

Not if he’s lynchproof.

~Checkmate

If he’s lynchproof then everyone can see what I do that Kokichi is scum.

He would have nothing to worry about and then we can figure out together who is scum with him.

Deathproof according to the wiki is bastard.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Acting for death here is stupid.

If there ever is a lylo he goes to that. Unless he is a bonafide scumread don’t lynch him.

It creates an impossible to win lylo for scum with Wisdom if he is town.

Of course if you scumread him lynch away but until Kokichi explains why he had to redirect a kill N1 as a bulletproof N1 (his words)
Kokichi is a better lynch.

~~Castle

Not if he’s lynchproof.

~Checkmate

P.edit. It all depends on who he wants to shoot. If he were to shoot a very difficult to lynch scumslot, then it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad lynch.

[RightKnight]

Acting for death here is stupid.

If there ever is a lylo he goes to that. Unless he is a bonafide scumread don’t lynch him.

It creates an impossible to win lylo for scum with Wisdom if he is town.

Of course if you scumread him lynch away but until Kokichi explains why he had to redirect a kill N1 as a bulletproof N1 (his words)
Kokichi is a better lynch.

~~Castle

Not if he’s lynchproof.

~Checkmate

If he’s lynchproof then everyone can see what I do that Kokichi is scum.

He would have nothing to worry about and then we can figure out together who is scum with him.

Deathproof according to the wiki is bastard.

~~Castle

First of all, deathproof but why would a mod make scum either lynchproof or deathproof ? He might but that part is more likely NAI, I think.

Having

both

strongman and thunderwave is actually more concerning, IMO.

And yes. deathproof would mean this game is bastard.

[RightKnight]

Acting for death here is stupid.

If there ever is a lylo he goes to that. Unless he is a bonafide scumread don’t lynch him.

It creates an impossible to win lylo for scum with Wisdom if he is town.

Of course if you scumread him lynch away but until Kokichi explains why he had to redirect a kill N1 as a bulletproof N1 (his words)
Kokichi is a better lynch.

~~Castle

Not if he’s lynchproof.

~Checkmate

P.edit. It all depends on who he wants to shoot. If he were to shoot a very difficult to lynch scumslot, then it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad lynch.

Wisdom’s reads very much so than my own.
The only way I would consider it is if he said honestly he would shoot in my scumreads but he townreads all of them so lynching him to me is at best case if vengeful Wisdom scum takes out a confTownie. Worst case two town deaths.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Hmmm
MafiaR can you ask Ari if your power really does redirect things other than kills away from RK? I might want to give them something but only if I can be sure it won’t redirect to someone else.

It likely redirected your muting. What I’d like to know, is if it redirects everything or just things that are harmful.

[RightKnight]

Hmmm
MafiaR can you ask Ari if your power really does redirect things other than kills away from RK? I might want to give them something but only if I can be sure it won’t redirect to someone else.

It likely redirected your muting. What I’d like to know, is if it redirects everything or just things that are harmful.

Olay, NM then.

[RightKnight]

It'll be fine to give your item tonight.

So my hunch was correct.

Why Eragon then Maria?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

I can’t do that until tonight (the one cycle cooldown).

We aren’t asetic, so any non-harmful actions should work on us, I thnk.

[RightKnight]

It'll be fine to give your item tonight.

So my hunch was correct.

Why Eragon then Maria?

~~Castle

I don't pick anything.

So it’s random redirection of what?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

First harmful action.

Then why are you still dancing if that’s all it does?
Or does it do more?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

First harmful action.

Then why are you still dancing if that’s all it does?
Or does it do more?

~~Castle

If I stop dancing I lose my double vote.

K. Sorry that just pinged me there.

Had to check it out.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

It'll be fine to give your item tonight.

So my hunch was correct.

Why Eragon then Maria?

~~Castle

I don't pick anything.

So it’s random redirection of what?

~~Castle

First harmful action.

Are you saying, you’re going to allow Gamma to hurt us? *confused*

Why would you do.that?

~Checkmate

[RightKnight]

Gamma is by far my top scumread in spite of them giving me gifts

Even the manner of gift giving felt overwrought and dramatic

Gamma do you know what ability you gave me?

Gamma also did you know what ability you gave me?

Gamma did u know what you were giving me

Meaning wagon core (schadd simyk era me), I think there is always 1 scum in gamma and Maria

RC, what “gifts” did Gamma give you how did that affect your read on him?

~Checkmate

[RightKnight]

It'll be fine to give your item tonight.

So my hunch was correct.

Why Eragon then Maria?

~~Castle

I don't pick anything.

So it’s random redirection of what?

~~Castle

First harmful action.

Are you saying, you’re going to allow Gamma to hurt us? *confused*

Why would you do.that?

~Checkmate

I don't allow anything I was mostly teasing gamma

Oh okay. People should also be aware that you get mislynched as town. So, people need to be very careful reading you.

I would really like to know what Gamma gave RC. I’m not sure I want Gamma’s “gifts”.

*Shudder*

Didn’t really care too much for the last one, yahknow?

~CM

[RightKnight]

So Mariar, you role is that you can redirect harmful actions away from yourself for you and another person

Don't you think that claim is at odds with Kokichi's claimed role? Like, they wouldn't both be town?

The obvious difference, is that nothing Kokichi has done so far, can be considered protective, where as Maria has proven (to us anyway) that she protected us from a harmful action. That’s why I think Maria is likely town from that. In what world does scum!Maria have a protective ability that she uses on obvtown?

I really think she has to be town for this alone. Her protecting us, doesn’t really make sense from a scum POV.

~Checkmate

[RightKnight]

Gamma’s “gift” was boring


It made me tired just having it

[RightKnight]

Not if I use my strongarm. Lol. But if I get one I wont shoot you. I'll just ignore you

Good to know but we also have strongman and could use it with our bp.

That's not how that role works, though.

Strongman only works on kills, this is why we should be lynching Kokichi

But what if he’s lynchproof, then we just get no kill?

But you know, it is weird that he has strongman and is hoping for a vig?

Why would he have strongman but no KP?

[RightKnight]

Not if I use my strongarm. Lol. But if I get one I wont shoot you. I'll just ignore you

Good to know but we also have strongman and could use it with our bp.

That's not how that role works, though.

Strongman only works on kills, this is why we should be lynching Kokichi

I mean that’s how it works NORMALLY. Maybe Heroes Wanted had some adverse effect on how RK thinks roles works (this is meant as an attack)

ISNT

Yes, I obviously mixed up strongwilled with strongman before. So, our strongman ability is essentially useless to us rn. :/

~CM

[RightKnight]

I already said

I have abilities that are not Town-helping[/b{
So Kokichi randomly having Strongman can be a town thing

If that’s what you’re planning on giving us, then Maria should absolutely NOT allow it.

I swear, if you give us anything bad, I will be voting you tomorrow.

[RightKnight]

Not if I use my strongarm. Lol. But if I get one I wont shoot you. I'll just ignore you

Well good then, since we have both Maria’s protrotection and bp as well, the only way we die, is if a stongman kill is used on us.

[RightKnight]

Not if I use my strongarm. Lol. But if I get one I wont shoot you. I'll just ignore you

Good to know but we also have strongman and could use it with our bp.

That's not how that role works, though.

Strongman only works on kills, this is why we should be lynching Kokichi

I mean that’s how it works NORMALLY. Maybe Heroes Wanted had some adverse effect on how RK thinks roles works (this is meant as an attack)

I think so. Mainly I try to talk about abilities and Nancy sometimes connects them to Heroes abilities so I keep translating. It’s possible that I mess up explanations because I try to use the MS term versus heroes wanted.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

I already said

I have abilities that are not Town-helping[/b{
So Kokichi randomly having Strongman can be a town thing

If that’s what you’re planning on giving us, then Maria should absolutely NOT allow it.

I swear, if you give us anything bad, I will be voting you tomorrow.

Please talk with me later before doing this.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

But what if he’s lynchproof

I don't think he is lynchproof

I agree.

I think we should lynch Kokichi but I promised Nancy controls the vote.

I have to head to chiropractor.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

I already said

I have abilities that are not Town-helping[/b{
So Kokichi randomly having Strongman can be a town thing

If that’s what you’re planning on giving us, then Maria should absolutely NOT allow it.

I swear, if you give us anything bad, I will be voting you tomorrow.

Please talk with me later before doing this.

~~Castle

Of course.

~CM

[RightKnight]

Not if I use my strongarm. Lol. But if I get one I wont shoot you. I'll just ignore you

Good to know but we also have strongman and could use it with our bp.

That's not how that role works, though.

Strongman only works on kills, this is why we should be lynching Kokichi

I mean that’s how it works NORMALLY. Maybe Heroes Wanted had some adverse effect on how RK thinks roles works (this is meant as an attack)

I think so. Mainly I try to talk about abilities and Nancy sometimes connects them to Heroes abilities so I keep translating. It’s possible that I mess up explanations because I try to use the MS term versus heroes wanted.

~~Castle

Lol, I try my best to familiarize myself with MafiaWiki.

It’s DnD terminology, I know nada about.

~CM

[RightKnight]

Prolly Dunnstral
Don’t like his Wisdom into schadd comment, seems too sure Wisdom is telling the truth

...This is town!Derp

Scum!Gamma I don’t think forgets Dunnstral is confirmed gunless by Eragon

[RightKnight]

Prolly Dunnstral
Don’t like his Wisdom into schadd comment, seems too sure Wisdom is telling the truth

...This is town!Derp

Scum!Gamma I don’t think forgets Dunnstral is confirmed gunless by Eragon

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

I mean I don’t really have much stock in the “gunsmith” anyway

So then you’re saying Eragon and Dunnstral are the scumteam?

That’s the only conclusion I see from that.

This seems off from all prior suggestions. Elaborate some please?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Not Eragon. I don’t mean I think the role is fake, I just doubt it’s effectiveness at clearing or implicating anyone

Okay why do you doubt the effectiveness of a gunsmith finding scum? The wiki says the only mafia role that fools it is doctor. Considering no kill a mafia doctor is unlikely yeah?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

In a normal yes. In this game? Idk the specifics of the role wrt to what it gets a positive or negative return on.

Gamma a gunsmith checks for guns. If it checked for spellbooks or potions or goblin armies it’d be a different name.

It’s too late for this.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

I don’t pretend to know flavor or shit about DND, but I do know that it’s called a GUNSMITH that checks for GUNPOWDWER and the ability to KILL someone.


It’s possible Dunn is godfather, and maybe a (Koki/Dunn) team in that case[maybe why both people were redirected to Dunn) but that’s the only scenario where Dunn could be scum, and I highly doubt it

Godfather only works on cop checks.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

wait how does gunpowder presence or absence say anything alignment indicative

It’s more of a person can’t kill that is an innocent aka Dunnstral.

If they can they can be town or scum.

Why am I needing to say this to you? You’re not new.
~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Uggh I really can't write for shit. Why did I even try? XD

Let's say a Cobold materializes and stabs MariaR. It just about gets away when you one of you...eenie meenie miney schadd_, coming back from collecting firewood, trips it while the rest of you pounce and tie it up. I wonder if you ate it for dinner...

MariaR,

Town Bard: College of Glamour

, has died D3!

The votecount has been reset.
The day continues.

Wtf? you bastards!

I told you she was obvtown.



~sad Checkmate:/

[RightKnight]

Probably not anyone that’s town

+1

If Maria flips town this game, I will never play on this account again. That's how confident I am.

*whistles*

[RightKnight]

She played D1 like dogshit though so 0 regrets tbh

Wrong answer! I showed you all she was town, when she protected us ftom being muted.

I’m not trusting ANYONE’s reads but

mine

this game.

~Checkmate

[RightKnight]

So that shot wasn't redirected or anything, correct? There's just a redirection on rightknight/eragon or what?

Obvtown Maria put a protection spell on us but apparently a building has to literally fall on some people, to see the fucking obvious.

[RightKnight]

Probably not anyone that’s town

Why did you think this?

Because shot was not posted in thread

They knew I would do everything possible to stop a Maria mislynch.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Sorry, not sorry.

~an extremely pissed off Checkmate

[RightKnight]

honestly that shot was so fucking bad

Especially after Maria proved that she put a protective spell on us. I honestly don’t understand how anyone could still think she was scum after that.

I’ll probably either keep my vote on RC or one of his townreads.

~CM

[RightKnight]

you shot a fucking protective role.

that was confirmed to have an ability that can stop abilites.

and confirmed to have a redirector.

that could be used to protect me or ceejay tonight

Why ceejay though?

~CM

[RightKnight]

yes.

becuase ceejay is an enhancer.

and i am a cop/multi-time vig.

if we both live

this game would be auto

IF YOU DIDNT FUCKING KILL THE PROTECTING ROLE

Oh nm. I need to ISO him, since I obviously missed that.

[RightKnight]

coming from the "GLORIFIED PERSON" that shot obvious town

and yes maria was obvious town

what sort of scum role has an ability that redirects the first HARMFUL effect?

+1

Exactly!

When is scum ever given protective abilities that they use on town?

[RightKnight]

VOTE: Wisdom

maybe we can actually kill scum

Do you really think scum!Wisdom NKs the the obvtown counterwagon that he was leading?

I think scum!Wisdom would be way too smart to do that.

[RightKnight]

If he can make a convincing case why Schaad is scum, I’m not opposed to voting there.

how many games do you need with me to know this isnt happening

I like to have reasons for my vote but I think it’s beyond obvious, not only that CM was bussed but that it was coordinated. He wasn’t remotely upset by his wagon and basically just rolled over.

I would look on MC wagon first, to see who the most likely busser was. No way does scum freaking anyone on LB wagon, be that unbelievably stupid to kill her N1 and if ceejay is clear according to Eragon and I townread Wisdom, I think at least one or two scum bussed. Otherwise, it’s Kokichi but unlike Math, he isn’t my strongest scumread. I will be keeping a very close eye on who he votes for.

~CM

[RightKnight]

"key to winning this game

why is everyone so stupid in this game

You mean the people who could tell that Maria was obvtown?

[RightKnight]

VC 1.LYNCH!

Messiah Complex

(7): Lovebird 827, schadd_ 859, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis 1178, Eragon 1386, MariaR 1677, Gamma Emerald 1720, Messiah Complex 1738

-- LYNCH

Lovebird

(4): Wisdom 278, RightKnight 1475, ceejayvinoya 1522

RightKnight

(1): Tatl and Tael 1529

ceejayvinoya

(1): Dunnstral 1681

Not Voting

(1): Kokichi Oma 1625

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.
D1 will end on Saturday October 20th at 1pm or in (expired on 2018-10-20 13:00:00)

Mod Notes:

That does it!

[RightKnight]

VC 1.LYNCH!

Messiah Complex

(7): Lovebird 827, schadd_ 859, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis 1178, Eragon 1386, MariaR 1677, Gamma Emerald 1720, Messiah Complex 1738

-- LYNCH

Lovebird

(4): Wisdom 278, RightKnight 1475, ceejayvinoya 1522

RightKnight

(1): Tatl and Tael 1529

ceejayvinoya

(1): Dunnstral 1681

Not Voting

(1): Kokichi Oma 1625

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.
D1 will end on Saturday October 20th at 1pm or in (expired on 2018-10-20 13:00:00)

Mod Notes:

That does it!

At least one scum on MC wagon and maybe one off?

[RightKnight]

"key to winning this game

why is everyone so stupid in this game

You mean the people who could tell that Maria was obvtown?

maria wasn't obvtown she played like shit she voted the cw to flipped scum.
you know who was obvtown? lovebird.

want me to just replace out and blacklist everyone who is town this game because that's the point we're at now

I want you to play like an adult. You view yourself as better than everyone else despite a majority of people telling you she is town.

I hope you’re scum because that’s the only explanation I have for yourself that you have made the following three newbie mistakes:

1) Never CC’d Eragon when they claimed Day vig despite odds of two town vigs rare
2) Messed up what a Gunsmith’s purpose is
3) Shot a proven protective

I hope I have been right and it’s Kokichi and RC.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

if schadd flips town i have no other poe left so good luck
Maybe saske or something

I’m not scumreading Saske.

[RightKnight]

coming from the "GLORIFIED PERSON" that shot obvious town

and yes maria was obvious town

what sort of scum role has an ability that redirects the first HARMFUL effect?

+1

Exactly!

When is scum ever given protective abilities that they use on town?

You...might wanna tun that by your hydra partner. Mention Shadowrun.

This is accurate. I didn’t use it for its intended purpose

However I also never openly declared what I did that day withers

I specifically have talked some elements of Shadowrun with her.

It’s a big game

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Wisdom > kokichi > gamma > RK/schadd/RC


Kill/lynch in this order and do as we please and it’s lock

Why are we in your POE? I tried to stop Maria mislynch.

[RightKnight]

but yeah i agree at least one scum bussed, especially with messiah selfhammering

I disagree

I think the hammer was to prevent scum buddy having to.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

but yeah i agree at least one scum bussed, especially with messiah selfhammering

I disagree

I think the hammer was to prevent scum buddy having to.

~~Castle

Why would you prevent your scumbuddy from getting cred

Last on the wagon doesn’t get cred.

It just made it to where there wasn’t a no lynch. It’s one of the more suspicious slots.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

coming from the "GLORIFIED PERSON" that shot obvious town

and yes maria was obvious town

what sort of scum role has an ability that redirects the first HARMFUL effect?

+1

Exactly!

When is scum ever given protective abilities that they use on town?

You...might wanna tun that by your hydra partner. Mention Shadowrun.

Scum!Math had a protective ability that he used on town? Is this like when I healed Sakura in Heroes?

[RightKnight]

cant argue with moonlogic. Youre just wrong

I can say the same to you.

~~Castle

What do you make of two claimed day vigs?

[RightKnight]

coming from the "GLORIFIED PERSON" that shot obvious town

and yes maria was obvious town

what sort of scum role has an ability that redirects the first HARMFUL effect?

+1

Exactly!

When is scum ever given protective abilities that they use on town?

You...might wanna tun that by your hydra partner. Mention Shadowrun.

Scum!Math had a protective ability that he used on town? Is this like when I healed Sakura in Heroes?

Let’s not spam the thread XD

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

VOTE: Wisdom

maybe we can actually kill scum

Do you really think scum!Wisdom NKs the the obvtown counterwagon that he was leading?

I think scum!Wisdom would be way too smart to do that.

Talking about Lovebird? I don’t think that’s an effective point against Wisdom being scum. Clout only gets you so far.

Maybe not but don’t you think, it’s a really stupid NK if you were on that wagon?

[RightKnight]

"key to winning this game

why is everyone so stupid in this game

You mean the people who could tell that Maria was obvtown?

maria wasn't obvtown she played like shit she voted the cw to flipped scum.
you know who was obvtown? lovebird.

want me to just replace out and blacklist everyone who is town this game because that's the point we're at now

I want you to play like an adult. You view yourself as better than everyone else despite a majority of people telling you she is town.

I hope you’re scum because that’s the only explanation I have for yourself that you have made the following three newbie mistakes:

1) Never CC’d Eragon when they claimed Day vig despite odds of two town vigs rare
2) Messed up what a Gunsmith’s purpose is
3) Shot a proven protective

I hope I have been right and it’s Kokichi and RC.

~~Castle

I think RC didn’t have the dayvig from the start

What do you think happened then?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

idk but if one has to be scum it's def rc and not eragon

Agreed.

Vote RC with me?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

but yeah i agree at least one scum bussed, especially with messiah selfhammering

Okay, I’ll sheep your Schaad vote, since he seems the likeliest busser.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Schaad

[RightKnight]

nope
i can be convinced to shoot him though

I kinda have this thing where I am opposed to lynching my town reads called being town but if you are mislynched and telling the truth I would love your venge to go on RC

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

"key to winning this game

why is everyone so stupid in this game

You mean the people who could tell that Maria was obvtown?

maria wasn't obvtown she played like shit she voted the cw to flipped scum.
you know who was obvtown? lovebird.

want me to just replace out and blacklist everyone who is town this game because that's the point we're at now

I want you to play like an adult. You view yourself as better than everyone else despite a majority of people telling you she is town.

I hope you’re scum because that’s the only explanation I have for yourself that you have made the following three newbie mistakes:

1) Never CC’d Eragon when they claimed Day vig despite odds of two town vigs rare
2) Messed up what a Gunsmith’s purpose is
3) Shot a proven protective

I hope I have been right and it’s Kokichi and RC.

~~Castle

I think RC didn’t have the dayvig from the start

What do you think happened then?

~~Castle

I think RC gained it some point after

So you think he leveled into it.

Ooookay? So then I would say vote RC with me but :/ Gonna talk with Nancy later tonight I gotta go

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

"key to winning this game

why is everyone so stupid in this game

You mean the people who could tell that Maria was obvtown?

maria wasn't obvtown she played like shit she voted the cw to flipped scum.
you know who was obvtown? lovebird.

want me to just replace out and blacklist everyone who is town this game because that's the point we're at now

Maria was on MC wagon. LB wasn’t obvtown to me prior to flip, based on those 2 games I read of hers. However, I’ve never played with her before but I have with Wisdom, and I think he’s likely flipping town. No I obviously don’t want you to replace out but NGL, your Maria shot, didn’t make you look more town to me.

[RightKnight]

schadd/saske maybe? schadd/rc is unlikely given the current situation

Why are schaad/rc unlikely?

Anyway, I recommend not putting anyone at L-1 rn, until we hear from Ari first.

That’s right, we’re waiting on hopefully useful info to share with the thread.

~CM

[RightKnight]

but yeah i agree at least one scum bussed, especially with messiah selfhammering

I disagree

I think the hammer was to prevent scum buddy having to.

~~Castle

Math, scumbuddy already likely voted.

~CM

[RightKnight]

but yeah i agree at least one scum bussed, especially with messiah selfhammering

I disagree

I think the hammer was to prevent scum buddy having to.

~~Castle

Why would you prevent your scumbuddy from getting cred

Yes, unless it’s uncoordinated like in CofH.

[RightKnight]

VOTE: RK

Bad vote, RC. You need to stop scumreading villas. Afa Kokichi is concerned, he’s still in my POE but I like his Wisdom townread.

Btw, you might be really interested in what Ari tells us.

~CM

[RightKnight]

cant argue with moonlogic. Youre just wrong

I can say the same to you.

~~Castle

What do you make of two claimed day vigs?

Can you also answer the question I asked about that?

If you already did I’ll catch up to t and you can ignore this

Sorry please point me to it. Nancy said RC shot Maria in discord so I flipped out and got here as fast as I could and planned on reading the rest later.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

So RK, you think that kokichi/wisdom are TvS becuase their roles work Well as counters

The deathproof redirector, possibly both 1-shot

And the vengeful PGO

Both counter each other out


So what about 2 DAY-VIGS.

Does that not a little OP hat 2 town members have day-vigs.

So do you still honk that RC and I are both town, or do you believe we should be TvS due to both being day vigs

@RK

I can’t answer for Math but we’ll soon have more information about that, if we don’t hammer before we hear from Ari.

[RightKnight]

(And yes I do realize ou obviously scumread RC right now so you can ignore the last part about reads, but do you think the basis of 2 day vigs makes it TvS)

Absolutely.

If you’ll look elsewhere I said it several times before RC shot Maria when I doubted his “I am a day vig” “night vig” “whatever vig” schtick

As I said Nancy controls the vote or it would be on RC for me.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

(And yes I do realize ou obviously scumread RC right now so you can ignore the last part about reads, but do you think the basis of 2 day vigs makes it TvS)

Again, I am still on the fence about RC but hopefully that will change very soon.

[RightKnight]

I want you to play like an adult. You view yourself as better than everyone else despite a majority of people telling you she is town.

I hope you’re scum because that’s the only explanation I have for yourself that you have made the following three newbie mistakes:

1) Never CC’d Eragon when they claimed Day vig despite odds of two town vigs rare
2) Messed up what a Gunsmith’s purpose is
3) Shot a proven protective

I hope I have been right and it’s Kokichi and RC.

~~Castle

I think RC didn’t have the dayvig from the start

What do you think happened then?

~~Castle

I think RC gained it some point after

So you think he leveled into it.

Ooookay? So then I would say vote RC with me but :/ Gonna talk with Nancy later tonight I gotta go

~~Castle

Because I think RC not having it at the start means he had fair reason to not CC?

At that point yes. When he got it though he should have shot Eragon. Imho I think it’s a scum factional he was sitting on.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

If anyone hammers I’m fucking shooting you tommmorow no matter if your towny or not

+1

Please no one hammer, we might have some useful info to share.

[RightKnight]

I want you to play like an adult. You view yourself as better than everyone else despite a majority of people telling you she is town.

I hope you’re scum because that’s the only explanation I have for yourself that you have made the following three newbie mistakes:

1) Never CC’d Eragon when they claimed Day vig despite odds of two town vigs rare
2) Messed up what a Gunsmith’s purpose is
3) Shot a proven protective

I hope I have been right and it’s Kokichi and RC.

~~Castle

I think RC didn’t have the dayvig from the start

What do you think happened then?

~~Castle

I think RC gained it some point after

So you think he leveled into it.

Ooookay? So then I would say vote RC with me but :/ Gonna talk with Nancy later tonight I gotta go

~~Castle

Because I think RC not having it at the start means he had fair reason to not CC?

At that point yes. When he got it though he should have shot Eragon. Imho I think it’s a scum factional he was sitting on.

~~Castle

That could also explain the lack of kill and his “bp whatever” claim

It could but as Nancy says we wait.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

There is a role on my site that was rolled once recently called cannoneer or something, and t stores up factional kills and can release them all at once.

So it’s not impossible it’s something like that

I would rather stick with probable rather than possible.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

(And yes I do realize ou obviously scumread RC right now so you can ignore the last part about reads, but do you think the basis of 2 day vigs makes it TvS)

Again, I am still on the fence about RC but hopefully that will change very soon.

Sounds good


Depending on what happens I might acually have a good plan

If anyone hammers, it’s extremely suspicious because we rolestealed from RC.

[RightKnight]

If anyone hammers I’m fucking shooting you tommmorow no matter if your towny or not

+1

Please no one hammer, we might have some useful info to share.

He +1 makes it sound like your going to shoot them tommorow too

:3

Nancy meant the sentiment.

We don’t have a shooting ability right now.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

There is a role on my site that was rolled once recently called cannoneer or something, and t stores up factional kills and can release them all at once.

So it’s not impossible it’s something like that

That’s a pretty scary role. Was it a bastard game?

[RightKnight]

In the rare case RC and Kokichi is town though **shivers as I don’t actually think this**
Scum could easily be limited one kill a day/night phase

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

If anyone hammers I’m fucking shooting you tommmorow no matter if your towny or not

+1

Please no one hammer, we might have some useful info to share.

He +1 makes it sound like your going to shoot them tommorow too

:3

Nancy meant the sentiment.

We don’t have a shooting ability right now.

~~Castle

(And yes I do realize ou obviously scumread RC right now so you can ignore the last part about reads, but do you think the basis of 2 day vigs makes it TvS)

Again, I am still on the fence about RC but hopefully that will change very soon.

Sounds good


Depending on what happens I might acually have a good plan

If anyone hammers, it’s extremely suspicious because we rolestealed from RC.

Lit


P-edit: it was a joke lmao

My response wasn’t based on that but anyone hammering rn, would have to be trying to prevent us from sharing whatever info we receive. Based on our luck though, we will probably just get animal messinger. :/

[RightKnight]

In the rare case RC and Kokichi is town though **shivers as I don’t actually think this**
Scum could easily be limited one kill a day/night phase

~~Castle

Well clearly, we all have day and night actions and we messed up last night because we mixed up the setup. :/

[RightKnight]

Weren’t you supposed to activate the ability inthread?

We don’t have to.

I did that decision for show to demonstrate it.

As I was pissed off and I thought it would actually steal
Versus “steal”

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Weren’t you supposed to activate the ability inthread?

Why? Is that necessary for your role? We rolestealed from Kokichi via pm too.

[RightKnight]

ND i'm not sure if you contracted this level of shit play from your hydra partner or if you've always been this awful but your play in this game makes me physically nauseous

What part? Figuring the correct explanation for our not being muted or that Maria was obvtown because of it?

[RightKnight]

Weren’t you supposed to activate the ability inthread?

Why? Is that necessary for your role? We rolestealed from Kokichi via pm too.

Oh wait really


I thought I saw you use that spellsteal thingy in bold letters when you stole from kokichi

I don’t remember if Math did that or not but he definitely pmed Ari with it.

[RightKnight]

ND i'm not sure if you contracted this level of shit play from your hydra partner or if you've always been this awful but your play in this game makes me physically nauseous

What part? Figuring the correct explanation for our not being muted or that Maria was obvtown because of it?

P.edit. I’m “physically nauseous” that you shot one of my strongest townreads.

[RightKnight]

i'm not repping out of this for reasons but you're all blacklisted if you're town, you can be forgiven if you flip scum.

Why are you repping out? How do you know, what we get won’t clear you?

[RightKnight]

go diaf you tried to lynch lovebird. maria objectively had to die before endgame based on their play on d1 regardless of anything else.

I <3 too.

Not necessarily sarcastic.

No Maria didn’t have to die, she was clearly a town protective.

[RightKnight]

fuck you?

why do I need to be cleared?

i'm the only reason there's a game at all left, scum would have clean swept this if I didn't step in.

but no you're all fucking shit so when someone acts like not a dumbass it's impossible to reconcile with your own play so you assume that i must have been informed scum because clearly not a single person in this game can have the extremely small amount of competence to detect MC who were fucking legendarily obvious

You are not obvtown to me because your play on D1 isn’t AI based on meta and you know it.

I can’t read you rn but you are not obvtown like you were in TOL/Sneks. Yes, I ISO’d you and you were bleeding town in that from the getgo. Not saying you’re scum here either, just that afaic, the jury’s still out on that.

~CM

[RightKnight]

i hate both of your heads now congratulations just stop talking to me

I don’t hate you because this is just a game.

[RightKnight]

i had to ruin a friendship just to make it to d2 with the game not already lost did you ever stop to wonder why keychain left the game?
because you all put me in a position where I either fakeclaim guilties on people and be an asshole which keychain detests or I accept the loss
like fuck you fuck you fuck you you don't like the way i'm playing don't force me to play like this

RC, please don’t be like this. I’m just trying to sort you. Why are you overreacting?

[RightKnight]

i had to ruin a friendship just to make it to d2 with the game not already lost did you ever stop to wonder why keychain left the game?
because you all put me in a position where I either fakeclaim guilties on people and be an asshole which keychain detests or I accept the loss
like fuck you fuck you fuck you you don't like the way i'm playing don't force me to play like this

You’re not.

If you can’t talk with people nicely and without insulting them

No one will care how right or wrong you are.

This game in influencing people.

If you can’t influence people then your play needs to change

If you can’t cooperate with Keychain maybe you are the problem.

You have been force replaced several times for toxicity.

I may be an idiot but I am not an idiot that insults people’s intelligence ( at least not intentionally)

I would rather play with the “idiots” than “play” with bullies such as what you are doing.

Cooperate and discuss instead of demand.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

what part of stop talking to me is so difficult for you to understand
i don't give a fuck what you have to say no matter what you have to say you've proven this game your reads are useless and personally fuck anything you have to say

I was right about Maria and I honestly don’t get why you’re freaking the fuck out here? We might not even get anything at all useful.

[RightKnight]

you've ruined more than this game for me.

Me? This is only our 3rd game together iirc? And how did I ruin TOL and Secrets and Lies for you?

*legit confused*

[RightKnight]

Like I suck only on MS. I don’t know why it’s site specific but I am hydraing and trying to figure it out.

I gotta go but I will not tolerate you treating Nancy like crap.
~~Castle

[RightKnight]

i had to ruin a friendship just to make it to d2 with the game not already lost did you ever stop to wonder why keychain left the game?
because you all put me in a position where I either fakeclaim guilties on people and be an asshole which keychain detests or I accept the loss
like fuck you fuck you fuck you you don't like the way i'm playing don't force me to play like this

You’re not.

If you can’t talk with people nicely and without insulting them

No one will care how right or wrong you are.

This game in influencing people.

If you can’t influence people then your play needs to change

If you can’t cooperate with Keychain maybe you are the problem.

You have been force replaced several times for toxicity.

I may be an idiot but I am not an idiot that insults people’s intelligence ( at least not intentionally)

I would rather play with the “idiots” than “play” with bullies such as what you are doing.

Cooperate and discuss instead of demand.

~~Castle

It’s okay Math, let me deal with RC myself. I appreciate you sticking up for me but given yours and RC’s history, it’s best you stay out of it. <3

I still care about RC, even if he really does legit hate my guts rn.

[RightKnight]

Like I suck only on MS. I don’t know why it’s site specific but I am hydraing and trying to figure it out.

I gotta go but I will not tolerate you treating Nancy like crap.
~~Castle

Math, it’s okay. I got this. It’s best you stay out of it. Again, I really appreciate you having my back obviously.

[RightKnight]

UNVOTE:

Math thinks Schaad is town because he’s putting in effort.

Anyone have any reads either way on Schaad?

Other than RC/Wisdom?

Thanks.

[RightKnight]

Sometimes, I think I hate mafia.

~CM

[RightKnight]

This is the plan

Ceejay energizes me
We lynch wisdom
wisdom kills RC/schadd/gamma/something really idfk
All TP’s on me
If I die lynch ALL TP claims no matter from who
Next day is locked

TP’s?

[RightKnight]

I just want to express my gratitude for having such a loyal and trustworthy hydra partner, like Math. Despite being in a car wreck and us not being in sync and bickering , he always hung in there. Math is someone with character, one of those people- whose word actually means something and I am so fortunate to have someone like that as my friend .

<3
~Nancy

[RightKnight]

Its okay Nancy is a fucking awful piece of shit with no regard for anyone's feelings but her own, leave her to herself.

she and math deserve each other

Please blacklist me. Xmas can’t come early enough.

[RightKnight]

I just want to express my gratitude for having such a loyal and trustworthy hydra partner, like Math. Despite being in a car wreck and us not being in sync and bickering , he always hung in there. Math is someone with character, one of those people- whose word actually means something and I am so fortunate to have someone like that as my friend .

<3
~Nancy

<3

You’re awesome too Checkmate.

So who we scumreading?

Apparently my filter on MS has somehow magically erased certain posts for my eyeballs only so let’s play the game.

Free hugs in thread if anyone asks. (No this isn’t an ability)
~~Castle

[RightKnight]

I think it’s Kokichi and RC.

Do you guys agree or disagree?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

I just want to express my gratitude for having such a loyal and trustworthy hydra partner, like Math. Despite being in a car wreck and us not being in sync and bickering , he always hung in there. Math is someone with character, one of those people- whose word actually means something and I am so fortunate to have someone like that as my friend .

<3
~Nancy

<3

You’re awesome too Checkmate.

So who we scumreading?

Apparently my filter on MS has somehow magically erased certain posts for my eyeballs only so let’s play the game.

Free hugs in thread if anyone asks. (No this isn’t an ability)
~~Castle

lmao



hrmmm

hug...

or not to hug

that is the question.

I only do consensual hugs.

<3

However arms are open.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

I doubt it’s RC and Kokichi

Why?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Oh boy Math is using that ~device~ as well

I am not.

I play on mobile

I am making a joke.

I haven’t custom wrote a filter for insults

That’d be waaay too time consuming

[RightKnight]

Oh boy Math is using that ~device~ as well

I am not.

I play on mobile

I am making a joke.

I haven’t custom wrote a filter for insults

That’d be waaay too time consuming

Oh
I thought you were using the extension that can block a users posts that Alisae used on me in Varsoon Variety Hour

Nope. I don’t use those like ever. I find it a breach of the game.

I filter with my eyeballs.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

like, maria died, rc says "we are going to lynch wisdom now"

if you think it is speeding up suspiciously, who are the suspicious votes on it?

Schadd does lots of little jibs and jabs like this.

He talked about the trust tell.

Schadd cares

I don’t think you could offer Schadd free victory if you post and maybe he cares to post

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

like, maria died, rc says "we are going to lynch wisdom now"

if you think it is speeding up suspiciously, who are the suspicious votes on it?

Schadd does lots of little jibs and jabs like this.

He talked about the trust tell.

Schadd cares

I don’t think you could offer Schadd free victory if you post and maybe he cares to post

~~Castle

dude

caring is not town indicative
Neither is activity neither is effort
Youre not a 2018 newbie dont make me facepalm

In general principle yes.

However for Schadd it is.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

well not enough apparently
I have like 10 games at least with each and im telling you theyre town

And I told you Maria was town and you pushed her.

Your point?

Let’s have an RC wagon.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Or Kokichi

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Your maria read was based on a setup speculation we still dont know has any basis
My reads are based on actual play

And mine’s based on both.

It irks me when you try to boil my reads down and assume them instead of asking.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

whatever
Vote schadd or vote me please

I don’t vote town reads?

Oh and Nancy says I should put this in thread.



~~Castle

How about you vote RC or Kokichi?

You clearly don’t townread RC you’re willing to venge him.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Hmm thought
When did people start threatening people who hammer Wisdom

when RK and I were waiting for responses from ari that were possibly game changing

oh that reminds me

Results RK?

We don’t have them

We were derp tastic

We used it on D2 so we can’t use it til tonight.

Apparently a full cycle is two days without use.

We tried submitting it and got told no. Put the question in bold here

@Ari if someone uses their power day two it refreshes night three yeah?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

We were thinking full cycle meant it would be back day three :/

~~Castle

Yay for needlessly complex things that the common sense thing isn’t right /s

[RightKnight]

Hmm thought
When did people start threatening people who hammer Wisdom

when RK and I were waiting for responses from ari that were possibly game changing

oh that reminds me

Results RK?

We don’t have them

We were derp tastic

We used it on D2 so we can’t use it til tonight.

Apparently a full cycle is two days without use.

We tried submitting it and got told no. Put the question in bold here

@Ari if someone uses their power day two it refreshes night three yeah?

~~Castle

I already determined that when I was dealing with my gift ability
Why do you think I was talking about giving you something

tonight

?
Which I’m not really in the mood to do rn btw

Assuming you’re town (which I think you are) and give it to a town read then go for it.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

i dont think rc is scum with schadd so unless you convince me schadd is town or find me another rc buddy rc is not a better shot than schadd

Okay. What do you make of his point regarding trust tells? How did you scumread him after that convo?

He clearly has something he only does as town. Did you check to see if the claim is valid? You are saying you’ve meta’d Schadd but I don’t think you have.

When I meta’d him he seems town.

Your reasoning far as I understand is meta for Schadd which I think has been refuted. You’re making the point Schadd is scum. Why?

And I did. RC and Kokichi.

I still think you have a chance at being scum but all scum in you RC and Kokichi.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Kokichi is town though so no
And i dont have any meta with schadd

Then why do you scumread him?

I have made my points: effort.

In which you have said the point is “bad”. That doesn’t explain why.

You then said I had skills like a newbie. (Paraphrase) this again doesn’t explain why.

So far I have two points you have not refuted with evidence: effort and meta
You have (far as I can tell) : because Wisdom says so.

You’re making the claim Schadd is scum. I have countered it.

To have a conversation you need to provide reasons.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Hmm thought
When did people start threatening people who hammer Wisdom

when RK and I were waiting for responses from ari that were possibly game changing

oh that reminds me

Results RK?

Ari said we have to wait to refresh or recharge or something. I don’t understand why but apparently we have to wait for results.

I don’t want to vote Kokichi today and want to wait on RC for the results to come in.

I also, don’t want to vote based on emotion and I am genuinely hurt and livid at RC rn.

Sorry, for holding the thread up, I expected is to be able to get the rolesteal by EOD 3. :/

I know we can still use our bp tonight but probably won’t get the rolesteal results before SOD 4,

~Checkmate

I’m sure Ari can confirm about the rolesteal if need be.

@mod?

[RightKnight]

ive said why schadd is scum, hes done nothing and the rest of the playerlist is townier

And I disagree with you
RC lied several times and dayvigged a protective. If someone so much as hunts in his direction he decides it’s time for ww3
Kokichi also has lied and no one knows anything about his power set (evidenced by Eragon) Maria (dead confTown) wanted his head
Gamma as much as I townread him has done some imho derptastic shit (as have I before anyone says anything).

Two day vigs is hella rare in a setup which means one of them almost certainly is scum yet you don’t take that into account


RC wants to be treated as if his reads are the best so I say we hold him accountable to that standard.
~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Whatever Gamma has should probably go to me, Eragon is already a pretty big target with a gunsmith claim and we did just shoot a protective role

Dude you’re conf town by gunsmith check. Scum need to kill you to win.

That’s a good way to have whatever it is gone.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

rc is rc though
You make it sound like what hes doing is scum indicative when its not

As for the two vigs, you're wrong. see what gamma said again

Quote the post you want me to “see what Gamma said again”.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

either way assuming wisdom is town, thats already 2 town killing roles.

and if gamma can give killing power, or RC has killing power...

thats a lot of killing power

A freakin men.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

RC I’m going to give you something as a gift of goodwill. Let me know when you have received it.

"key to winning this game

why is everyone so stupid in this game

You mean the people who could tell that Maria was obvtown?

maria wasn't obvtown she played like shit she voted the cw to flipped scum.
you know who was obvtown? lovebird.

want me to just replace out and blacklist everyone who is town this game because that's the point we're at now

I want you to play like an adult. You view yourself as better than everyone else despite a majority of people telling you she is town.

I hope you’re scum because that’s the only explanation I have for yourself that you have made the following three newbie mistakes:

1) Never CC’d Eragon when they claimed Day vig despite odds of two town vigs rare
2) Messed up what a Gunsmith’s purpose is
3) Shot a proven protective

I hope I have been right and it’s Kokichi and RC.

~~Castle

I think RC didn’t have the dayvig from the start

What do you think happened then?

~~Castle

I think RC gained it some point after

Again....So?

He also said Loud before too. Like the modifier.

I even asked about it and said leveling up.

If Gamma gave RC the vig Gamma Can claim that.

Then we have more of the puzzle.

Otherwise you’re inferring things that aren’t there.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

I said Loud WHAT

My bad it was Schadd

#mathIsOld

Sorry!

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

you said level up, not him
I think everyone but you got the hint

Then if everyone got the “hint”
Gamma can confirm or deny.

Because then the actual conflict is between Eragon and Gamma for who is scum
Not Eragon and RC

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

you said level up, not him
I think everyone but you got the hint

Then if everyone got the “hint”
Gamma can confirm or deny.

Because then the actual conflict is between Eragon and Gamma for who is scum
Not Eragon and RC

~~Castle

also wisdom

Technically yes but a different type

And Kokichi if you believe the whole I redirect lynched bullshit.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

why would that be a conflict
Eragon is a vig and gamma gives gifts

Two vigs can’t exist in a game this small and both be town.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

can we just accept setup speccing in role madness is useless and stop doing it

Except when it isn’t .

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

maria was not obvious town by play
when you play with her enough and get snowed by her enough youll know better
like i dont agree with most things rc does or says but he was right there

She’s fooled me one game.

Majority of games I am known for reading her well on.

I think I’ve had north of 10 with her?

How many do I wait for 15? 20?

He wasn’t right there. She was obvTown she was just not listening to RC and worshipping his reads.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

can we just accept setup speccing in role madness is useless and stop doing it

except for being annoyed how maria was obvious town by both play and role

+1

~CM

However RC isn’t obvtown here by play. That’s why we wanted the rolesteal. He has been the least forthcoming player in the game rn.

[RightKnight]

then how did RC have a shot?

+1 exactly

[RightKnight]

then how did RC have a shot?

RC got it Day 3. So I had on to start, you got yours Day 2, and RC is already listed.

and how can you gift a starting ability?

My abilities are all spellbooks. I can give an unused one away which makes me lose it.

So you’re an inventor? Or can you use them too?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

then how did RC have a shot?

+1 exactly

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Kinda like an inventor? I can give away any power I

possess

that I haven’t

used

.

I think it’s more likely Maria healed the kill.

With the unexplained vig,

Him being an animal Messenger

Kokichi having way too many powers

I think RC needs to explain.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Meh I’d rather fullclaim my starting abilities at this point. Yes I have a dayvig but I haven’t done anything with it (explicitly Dayvig, I checked). I gave RC a commuter shot,

which is what I think stopped the night 2 kill

. I did this because I felt like he was the prime nk target following Lovebird’s death. I was considering CCing Eragon myself, but I thought the large amount of town killing power was actually balanced in (which is probably why too much leveling up would cause a scum win). I’ve been considering gifting the dayvig to someone. My strongest consideration was Eragon because I wanted it to look like he gained another shot, not like it came from me.
I still think Eragon and RC are both town. If any killing role would be scum I’d think it would be Wisdom.

Well, we only have our 1-shot bp, so if you want to give us commuter, we’d obviously be extremely grateful, once we use that up.

But yeah, maybe you’re right? What did Maria claim she did on N2 again?

[RightKnight]

ok I might buy rc scum more now

Awesome.

Then let’s have RC explain.

And not rush it.

Let’s have everyone just full claim everything they have done all game.

~~Castle

We can go first

We did nothing as we had rogue PT passive
Day two Role stole Kokichi scroll strongman
Night two nothing
Day three leveled up got BP

~~Castle

Not asking you to claim unused powers should any exist

But anything one has done in a concrete post

Even for the idiot math.

If you’ve already done it scum can’t stop it.

[RightKnight]

Kinda like an inventor? I can give away any power I

possess

that I haven’t

used

.

I think it’s more likely Maria healed the kill.

With the unexplained vig,

Him being an animal Messenger

Kokichi having way too many powers

I think RC needs to explain.

~~Castle

maria isnt a doctor

She’s a bard
Bards have cure light wounds in 3.5 I think pretty sure healing word as Scanlan used it on CR

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

ok I might buy rc scum more now

All I can say, is he’s not bleeding town here like he was in Sneks and his reaction to us rolestealing him was insane.

Was I the only one who found that to be way over the top?

If RC is town here, then why does he have a meltdown over us rolestealing him - unless he has something to hide?

[RightKnight]

So I don’t get accused of being the idiot

Someone compile a list of all claimed actions and such

Then each person on said list agrees to said list

Proven deviations are scum claims yeah?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Wisdom, if you’re 100% certain on VKing RC, let us know and we will switch our rolesteal. We can only rolesteal from living players.

[RightKnight]

Gamma, even if you die tonight while protecting me, we can have this game auto’d by tommorow

Anything that’s not protecting me if you have the ability to do so is a scumclaim

I’ll talk more about it D4
VOTE: Wisdom
I’d rather the day end ASAP so I don’t have to deal with constant questioning

Gamma, we shouldn’t hammer before we know 100% who Wisdom is targeting, if RC, then we need to switch our rolesteal to someone else or we lose our dayphase ability. :/

[RightKnight]

Because I trust the mason claim plus the commute

RC always fakeclaims mason.

[RightKnight]

not interested
if not rc the only option is schadd

Wissom. please make up your mind. We just switched it. We would rather rolesteal from RC but not if you’re VKing him.

[RightKnight]

if you try to rolesteal from me i'm going to activate my PGO

Rolestealing doesn’t affect that and it’s a svumclaim if you do that.

[RightKnight]

if you try to rolesteal from me i'm going to activate my PGO

And you don’t CC Wisdom?

Cmon man.

If you’re not dead by EoD today we are stealing from you.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

if you try to rolesteal from me i'm going to activate my PGO

Rolestealing doesn’t affect that and it’s a svumclaim if you do that.

It would kill us if we don’t use BP Nancy
If RC is truth telling which he isnt imho

~~Math

[RightKnight]

if you try to rolesteal from me i'm going to activate my PGO

Do you not understand how rolestealing works?

We don’t need to fucking visit you for that.

[RightKnight]

rc stop the theatre
You could have shot me yet you didnt so you obv dont wanna die

Where’s a like button when ya need it?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

if you try to rolesteal from me i'm going to activate my PGO

Do you not understand how rolestealing works?

We don’t need to fucking visit you for that.

Nancy I think you’re wrong hun. /me hugs

It’s okay RC is full of shit anyway.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

if you try to rolesteal from me i'm going to activate my PGO

Do you not understand how rolestealing works?

We don’t need to fucking visit you for that.

Nancy I think you’re wrong hun. /me hugs

It’s okay RC is full of shit anyway.

~~Castle

wat
Why did you never consider rolestealing Wisdom then?

It’s a visit.

She just made a mistake and it’s late for us both.

I keep having to remind her it’s suicide to verify Wisdom’s claim.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

btw did kokichi ever do that antitown thing he wanted to do

Not as far as I know.

But what do I know?

I am the “idiot”.

/s

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

rc stop the theatre

You could have shot me yet you didnt so you obv dont wanna die

The bolded. When hell freezes over. I doubt he even has any clue, how badly he has hurt me or even cares. Meh.

[RightKnight]

if you try to rolesteal from me i'm going to activate my PGO

Do you not understand how rolestealing works?

We don’t need to fucking visit you for that.

Nancy I think you’re wrong hun. /me hugs

It’s okay RC is full of shit anyway.

~~Castle

wat
Why did you never consider rolestealing Wisdom then?

How is us getting either vengeful or PGO pro-town?

[RightKnight]

Okay.
Well I think I’m trusting RK a bit more now

<<Eyeball filter engaged. Filtering out RC complaining about himself bullying Keychain>>

So okay. What do your reads look like trusting us a little more?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

If you lose friends due to mafia consider stop playing mafia

+1

Oooh yay world peace between me and Wisdom huzzah!

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

you lost nothing. you had a bad experience in a mafia game. i lost friends. don't act like our experiences are equivalent.

No, you’re absolutely right, mine is much much worse.

[RightKnight]

Okay.
Well I think I’m trusting RK a bit more now

<<Eyeball filter engaged. Filtering out RC complaining about himself bullying Keychain>>

So okay. What do your reads look like trusting us a little more?

~~Castle

Not much change. Very little hinges on my read on you. I have very little associatives I’m working with rn in fact beyond wagonomics.

Okay. Talk with me about your wagonomics then.

I wanna try to meet Maria half way when she’s dead sooo whatcha thinkin?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

you lost nothing. you had a bad experience in a mafia game. i lost friends. don't act like our experiences are equivalent.

No, you’re absolutely right, mine is much much worse.

I learned that you can be cruelly played by someone you trust - that’s a gazillion times worse. No comparison.

[RightKnight]

you lost nothing. you had a bad experience in a mafia game. i lost friends. don't act like our experiences are equivalent.

No, you’re absolutely right, mine is much much worse.

I learned that you can be cruelly played by someone you trust - that’s a gazillion times worse. No comparison.

Nancy come back to me darling

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Okay.
Well I think I’m trusting RK a bit more now

<<Eyeball filter engaged. Filtering out RC complaining about himself bullying Keychain>>

So okay. What do your reads look like trusting us a little more?

~~Castle

Not much change. Very little hinges on my read on you. I have very little associatives I’m working with rn in fact beyond wagonomics.

Okay. Talk with me about your wagonomics then.

I wanna try to meet Maria half way when she’s dead sooo whatcha thinkin?

~~Castle

What? Is spiritual mediumship a thing in this game?, cuz that would be awesome.

[RightKnight]

you have a player who is continually following me into games who knows that they absolutely ruin games for me and proceeded to /in to this one under a secret alt and ruin the game for me
and that action makes me upset and your response is to say that aforementioned person is a great person who could do no wrong and is super comforting

that's hard victim blaming and you should feel extremely bad about it. i didn't want to be in a game with mathblade, i know how much he upsets me, but he made us play together anyway.

I didn’t follow you.

I just didn’t put a secret alt.

I was /in’d for far too long.

I have not been toxic towards you

Gonna play mafia now and suggest you do the same. This wasn’t a problem until someone said I was Math

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Okay.
Well I think I’m trusting RK a bit more now

<<Eyeball filter engaged. Filtering out RC complaining about himself bullying Keychain>>

So okay. What do your reads look like trusting us a little more?

~~Castle

Not much change. Very little hinges on my read on you. I have very little associatives I’m working with rn in fact beyond wagonomics.

Okay. Talk with me about your wagonomics then.

I wanna try to meet Maria half way when she’s dead sooo whatcha thinkin?

~~Castle

What? Is spiritual mediumship a thing in this game?, cuz that would be awesome.

Nancy...it means I am trying not to be death tunnel Math here

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

I didn’t say I was using wagonomics as a primary read source.
Would you like me to try?

I misunderstood then.

I just want to know what your reads are.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

you have a player who is continually following me into games who knows that they absolutely ruin games for me and proceeded to /in to this one under a secret alt and ruin the game for me
and that action makes me upset and your response is to say that aforementioned person is a great person who could do no wrong and is super comforting

that's hard victim blaming and you should feel extremely bad about it. i didn't want to be in a game with mathblade, i know how much he upsets me, but he made us play together anyway.

You know what you did and I am never ever forgiving you for that. I just never thought you’d do something that meanspirited to me. I can’t believe I misjudged you that badly. :/

So maybe Wisdom was right. Maybe, I really am that stupid.

[RightKnight]

you have a player who is continually following me into games who knows that they absolutely ruin games for me and proceeded to /in to this one under a secret alt and ruin the game for me
and that action makes me upset and your response is to say that aforementioned person is a great person who could do no wrong and is super comforting

that's hard victim blaming and you should feel extremely bad about it. i didn't want to be in a game with mathblade, i know how much he upsets me, but he made us play together anyway.

You know what you did and I am never ever forgiving you for that. I just never thought you’d do something that meanspirited to me. I can’t believe I misjudged you that badly. :/

So maybe Wisdom was right. Maybe, I really am that stupid.

Can you both please step away?

This is bringing negative energy and distracting from hunting.

Your feelings are important but this isn’t helpful.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

btw did kokichi ever do that antitown thing he wanted to do

No. Should I?

Are you gonna say this anti town thing?

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

kokichi should i shoot rc or schadd in your opinion

Wisdom. we already switched our rolesteal because we didn’t want to waste it on someone you said you were going to vk.

So, it’s the game’s loss, that we won’t get potentially valuable information.

~CM

[RightKnight]

kokichi should i shoot rc or schadd in your opinion

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

At least Schaad isn’t being toxic to the game.

~Nancy

[RightKnight]

Ok so basically there is a scroll that randomizes results from like investigations. Which could be bad if scum stole it. So I wanted to use it

Hm
I think it would have been smarter to use that on someone who was universally townread
But w/e

Uhm no.

Not whatever.

Is this what Thunderwave actually does?

If so again, undisclosed random is bastard.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Why cant you read?

1) Are you saying we are scum? We said we could steal used abilities.

Can you read?

There is zero town motivation to read that.

2) I can read. Your story on what you did and didn’t do and what your powers do do changed so much as to be meaningless. I can’t follow all your lies.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Why cant you read?

1) Are you saying we are scum? We said we could steal used abilities.

Can you read?

There is zero town motivation to read that.

2) I can read. Your story on what you did and didn’t do and what your powers do do changed so much as to be meaningless. I can’t follow all your lies.

~~Castle

Math, let’s focus on RC now, we can worry about Kokichi later.

Hopefully Wisdom VKs him. *prays*

~CM

[RightKnight]

P.edit. RC is either scum or (has been conducting himself like) a plague on this game.

[RightKnight]

Unless we lynch schadd and i kill rc tomorrow
He cant get rid of me without dying anyway

We do no such thing. I am not voting a townread to venge another.

Kokichi is full of shit.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Either you lynch me and i shoot him or you lynch him and i can shoot someone else tomorrow

Or neither.

This game isn’t about ultimatums or threats.

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Calm down Wisdom please.

A thing that randomizes results wouldn’t exist in this setup.

That’s not a reasonable moderator lie.

~~Castle

Pedit no you don’t EVERYONE does.

[RightKnight]

This is stupid but we can wait for schadd to confirm he got it if thats your issue

It’s not about confirming Schadd receiving anything

Kokichi said he used a scroll that randomized invest checks on schadd.

Schadd isn’t going to receive anything

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

Ok so basically there is a scroll that randomizes results from like investigations. Which could be bad if scum stole it. So I wanted to use it

@Wisdom

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

This is stupid but we can wait for schadd to confirm he got it if thats your issue

I mean sure let’s wait for schadd. Schadd says they got nothing you change to Kokichi

Win win

~~Castle

[RightKnight]

kokichi elaborate on what exactly it does
Do investigations shadd makes randomize?
Do investigations on shadd randomize?
Something else?

Kokichi should just full claim it at this point.

Everyone should.

~~Castle