Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [over]

[skitter30]

i think everyone else is more townie and i don't have any reason to townread nos

[skitter30]

i'm not sure

if kokichi is town then gamma maybe? i haven't really thought through the associatives

nsg is pushing nos rn so a little bit less likely that it would be her

[skitter30]

I got gamma's food last night, so if someone got rb'd, it wasnt him (i was also specifically told it came from gamma so i guess hes a loud fruit vendor?)

I definitely think we should be mass-claiming today (i still think that should have happened yesterday, but whatever)

[skitter30]

And that someone probably has an explanation for what happened last night

And unless scum is exactly nsg + gamma, varsoon didnt rb according to that much cited readslist of his

[skitter30]

do people know that they were given extra gold?

[skitter30]

eh that's fair

not sure if that affects mass-claim or not. probs shouldn't massclaim if we no-lynch actually

[skitter30]

i haven't used any

[skitter30]

i think you should prob share what youv'e done too

[skitter30]

cuz i don't get that much and what i can afford i don't particularly want

[skitter30]

i'm a little confused what the point of your role is - like if i don't know that i got extra gold (or that this was even a possibility) how would i know how to use it even?

i mean i guess it's testable? (what do you mean by 'tis active the next day?' ie, say, if you picked porkens last night and he buys something tonight he'll get to use it twice?)

[skitter30]

i didn't say you should give it to me?

i'm more trying to understand it and figure out how/if it can be used beneficially

[skitter30]

wait does 2x items apply to gacha as well? or just items bought via fantasy costco?

has 2x as much gold or gets 2x as much gold?

they had 100 previously and got 50 today and you targeted them last night means they get ____ gold ?

[skitter30]

bleh maybe it's just gamma and nsg

[skitter30]

got it got it, thanks for clarifying

[skitter30]

does your action count as a targetable action?

[skitter30]

Skitter, what did you do laast night?

idk how to answer this exactly without full claiming

which i suppose wouldn't be the worst thing but meh

[skitter30]

kinda prefer to go up from the scummy people tbh

[skitter30]

which i guess would be nsg but whatever

at night i pick someone and if i die the last person i picked gets something
not sure if i should say what the something is

definitely won't be saying who i picked last

[skitter30]

huh

[skitter30]

cuz what you're describing kinda sounds similar to mine but i definitely don't count as a targetable action

[skitter30]

From my perspective, that's you.

and please, do tell how you arrived at this conclusion

[skitter30]

but i've been trying to make sure i picked someone who'd survive the next night if i get nk'd or lynched
but the other people keep dying before me

[skitter30]

not sure if i should say who tbh

i definitely don't have a trackable action if that's what you're insinuating

p-edit

varsoon (hence why i got annoyed he got vigged because i really didn't think he was geting nk'd or lynched and i townread him pretty strongly)
creature
creature
last night

[skitter30]

cuz i thought you had a higher chance of dying given that you kept getting gacha

and i think saying who if they're town will give them a higher chance of dying before they can use it

[skitter30]

cuz if i flip first i don't want to say who got it because then they can just be nk'd and it'll be useless

[skitter30]

no, i don't know this

you said you got switcheroo like day2 but are being incredibly vague as to whether or not you've used it

and there's really no way i can predict that you'd still have it and use it several nights in the future (ie they only get it after i die and idk when that'll happen and idk if yo'll have used it in the interim)

[skitter30]

no, i wasn't sure if you had used it or if you were talking in hypotheticals (if i had used it i could do ... )

i even asked you if you could clarify if you could die in the near future and you ignored me; i said it was kinda important/helpful for me to know that

and if you had used it you were nk'able in which case giving it to you could end up being a waste if we like die on the same night or something. or die the night after me

[skitter30]

although i hadn't thought to ask if the person would know they'd get the thing (it didn't occur to me to ask till nos said that with the gold)

in which case they should prob know; i have to ask the mod

[skitter30]

This feels like a pretty blatant attempt to derail a wagon on scum at L-1 onto town Kokichi. Please explain your thought process.

a) the wagon was moving fairly fast at the end of the day and when wagons move with little resistance i'm suspicious; a whole bunch of votes got piled on and i wasn't ready for the day to end yet

b) i wasn't sure if kokichi knew he was hammering or not (if yes that was an awful vote and i wanted to talk about it more)

[skitter30]

although i hadn't thought to ask if the person would know they'd get the thing (it didn't occur to me to ask till nos said that with the gold)

in which case they should prob know; i have to ask the mod

ok they'll find out if they got the thing if i die so i don't see much reason to state it in thread rn

[skitter30]

It looks like you were trying to indirectly suggest that Gammagooey was town... by shifting attention to Kokichi...

What was your read of Gammagooey at the time?

honestly i dont' remember; i'd have to go back and check my posts

i remember thinking the vig claim was slightly +town
i remember thinking the gamestate loosely pointed to town!gammagooey by how fast the back end of that wagon built

i don't remember what i thought of him at the time tbh

[skitter30]

Skitter, what's the harm in saying who you targeted last night? I really don't understand the issue there when you have another chance to use your role tonight...

cuz i'm apparently a very paranoid person

eh whatever i targeted you

you were the person i townread most yesterday and i got annoyed playing guessing games wrt whether or not you had used switcheroo yet given how vague you were being wrt gacha items and when you would die and i didn't townread anyone else enough really

if you do something dumb like try to lynch me today to get it i'll prob rescind my townread on you

[skitter30]

I'm going to just go ahead and claim

I'm Jess the Beheader, and I've got a one-shot vig (ability name is Soulbound Axe). flavor is that I've got a magic axe and am a pro wrestler in the midworld wrestling foundation.

I was planning on shooting Porkens in the face tonight if he didn't get lynched, and I still think that Porkens+Cakez make the most sense as part of the scumteam given how they've played around each other and individually - assuming 3 scum I'd guess the last is somewhere in skitter/Irrelephant/GE. Gemerald I don't think is going to post enough by the end of today for me to have a solid read on him, but I'll be reading over Irrel/skitter again by the end of today (real-life day) to try to explain my feelings on them a little better.

This was after you unvoted, Skitter.

i don't remember the ordering of the end fo day1 super well

i remember disliking the l1 vote
i remember thinking the fast wagon was town indicative
i rmember thinking he should have a night to prove the claim

i don't know the order those things happened in offhand

[skitter30]

does your action count as a targetable action?

I have to target them so I suppose yeah but I don't know for sure.

the setup of your role sounds kinda similar to mine (ie choose someone at night and the next night they may get things)

but the details are different which is a little surprisng to me

namely:

a) you don't know if you have a targetable action (my PM was pretty clear in saying i don't)
b) your target doesn't know if they recieve it

[skitter30]

The scum are NSG & Skitter.

Uh huh, do tell

I also think that you should claim

I also thinj nsg and porkens should claim

I also think everyone should flavor claim

[skitter30]

, and shoshin keeps playing really weirdly in this way that makes me question if my expectations are off or if i really am seeing something different.

Elaborate?

[skitter30]

I only used gold last night to protect my target because I was salty after Creature died

You targeted me, right?

[skitter30]

The scum are NSG & Skitter.

Like this seems kknda ???? And came out of nowhere like, you werent scumreading me until like yesterday irl as far as i can tell. Nor do i know why - as far as i can tell the main issue you have with my play is thr gamma unvote from day1 that, again, you didnt bring up until yesterday, like a good month after the fact

And imo im kinda outside of my scumrange and im a little surprised that you havent referenced meta at all

And you seem to be insinuating a tracker guilty on me but are being vague. If this is a thing be explicit so i can vote you for lying

[skitter30]

I also really, really dont like how secretive you're being about gold/gacha

And also about your reads for like no disernible reason

[skitter30]

Why do you feel so wrong????

Again: you should claim (role + gacha) and flavor claim

[skitter30]

I only used gold last night to protect my target because I was salty after Creature died

You targeted me, right?

Also given that nobody else has an explanation for where the nk went, this is an indicator that scum tried to kill me and failed given that gamma targeted me (since i got his food) and he said he used a protective on his target

[skitter30]

Also im starting to wonder if being vague about switcheroo was a like a ruse to explain why you didnt die

[skitter30]

Also the fact that you wont engage with anyone normally or like talk to them or answer questions or like anything is kinda ???

[skitter30]

Actually, Gamma targeted me with his gold protection. I know because I tracked him.

That seems weird because i got his food. Did you not see him going to me?

[skitter30]

Id also like to know the results of the neo and jk

[skitter30]

A) you said yesterday that you used it last dayphase

B) why would scum no-kill

C) if you tracked gamma and you saw him visit you, why did i get the food. Maybe i dont get what it does but i was under the impression that everything that happened to player A would now happen to player B ... if you tracked gamma and saw him going to you doesnt that mean you actually saw him go to me?

[skitter30]

Anyway, we need to lynch me (i.e. Skitter) and NSG. That should win us the game.

You wanted a nolynch, explain

[skitter30]

I lied. Gamma visited you. Which means he targeted me.

Why did you lie about this?

[skitter30]

Ngl that feels like you messed up what result you were supposed to get from switcheroo given known night actions

[skitter30]

I lied. Gamma visited you. Which means he targeted me.

What result did you actually get ... i know he visited me last night because i got food (and was told it came from him)

If you swapped me and you, you should have seen him visit me still; what changed is that he didnt intend to visit me, but meant ti visit you ...

Why would he not object to me announcing i got his food then

[skitter30]

Yes i think you should make cases on both

Purposefully no-killing isnt fairly obvious at all, no. Ehy is that obvious? Why would they not kill because you have tracker when they killed when you had jk?

[skitter30]

Scum probably didn't kill because they knew I had a 1-shot tracker, so they wanted to avoid getting caught. That seems fairly obvious, don't you think?

This really makes like no sense at all

[skitter30]

Or more accurately, it maked a superficial level of sense but is incredibly reachy given they killed the night before when you had jk and could get pseudo guilties and innos with that too

[skitter30]

@gamma: who did u target last night?

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I mean trackets dont give hard innos/guilties either

Idk if i would have nk'd last night; i hadnt thought much about it at all

Why is gamma confirmed town?

[skitter30]

@mod:

if player A targets player B with two night acyions (say cop and doc), and player C tracks player A, what result does C recieve?

Specifically, is the tracker told A visited B twice?

[skitter30]

so there wasn't any reason for scum to kill. In my experience, scum often don't kill in these situations because it puts them at needless risk and narrows the potential mislynches.

It also puts them on evens and makes it harder to get a lynch in

[skitter30]

? On top of that, we now know that Gamma wasn't rb'd unless NSG lied about receiving food, which means even if Gamma is scum, we lynch NSG first, because it's very, very unlikely that Gamma's scum unless NSG is too.

I mean we knew this like day2

[skitter30]

it's mostly a comparison with pokemon go and the way she pushed her scumreads pretty aggressively there vs the way she's dealt with them this game

Elaborate?

Ie how is she different and do you think thats indicative?

[skitter30]

the fact that gamma also did not react or respond in any way at all to skitter's claiming that she received the fruit (literally the first post of the day) is pretty scum indicative. i think i'm leaning towards wanting to lynch gamma the most out of my three right now

Why is this scum-indicative?

What do you think he did last night? Ie how do you think scum!gamma resolves everything?

[skitter30]

lol @ NSG & Skitter

I mean you're basically resorting to shouting that im scum, based on mysterious townreads on pork and nos and mysterious scumreads on me and nsg that you arent deigning to explain

[skitter30]

Also i really think since its mylo everyone should be full-claiming and flavor-claiming

Does anyone alive have any knowledge of the podcast?

[skitter30]

there's really just nothing all that comparable in this game except maaybe with varsoon on day one

yeah i feel like she isn't engaging or is being purposefully vague/mysterious for ???? reasons and it's making it really really hard for me to engage with her or figure out what she's thinking

[skitter30]

[quote="In post 2165, northsidegal"][/quote]

i'm still not really following why it's scum-indicative for him to have not reacted really

i guess i can kinda see gamma/shoshin but that would imply some sort of elaborate/confusing plot and i guess idk i don't feel like it's all that likely?

[skitter30]

gamma you also protected shoshin, right?

[skitter30]

@mod

: if A were to target B who was switcheroo'd with person C, who would A be tracked to visiting?

a tracker who targeted player A would be told that player A targeted player C.

Meh, I suppose I'll just claim. Scum already know, anyway.

I switcheroo'd myself & Skitter. Yes, I was hoping scum would try to kill me so that Skitter would die.

Gamma's obviously in a position to confirm the switch, since he targeted me last night with the food. It ended up switching to Skitter. If scum tried to kill me, it also would have switched to Skitter. But my guess is that scum didn't nightkill.

Yeah I can verify
But what confuses me is you say you tracked me to you but by what xyzzy said I should have been seen visiting skitter?

ok cool

so gamma targeted shoshin (and protected her? want him to actually confirm/deny that just to make sure everything is understood)
shoshin used switcheroo on me/her
shoshin tracked gamma to me
i got fruit

i think gamma is town because otherwise he'd have sent the fruit to a bunch of people he thought were going to die two nights in a row (creature + shoshin)

shoshin is +town too because it looks like that's where the missing nk was supposed to be since gamma protected his target (who ended up being me) and no one else is claiming blocking the nk

and that leaves two scum in nsg/nos/porkens

and i'm not really liking that nsg leapt to scum!gamma. like that narrative really only makes sense if gamma is scum with shoshin and shoshin performed the nk n1 since gamma wasn't rb'd then (if he had been he'd have to be scum with nsg but i'm assuming only 2 alive scum rn)

like i guess gamma/shoshin and like i don't think there's anything directly contradicting it but id on't think it's super likely really

like scum them would require:
*shoshin performed the nk n1
* gamma targeted his partner with the fruit
* shoshin swapped herself and me
* shoshin targeted herself for the nk

for the known night actions ot make sense and the last two are kinda ????? unlikely

just gamma scum means:
* unknown partner did the nk n1 (perhaps nsg)
* he sent the fruit to shoshin, who he was also planning on killing? (but it inadvertantly ended up at me because of switcheroo)
* he claims to have protected *someone* to explain the nk before the switcheroo comes out


just shoshin scum means:
* idk who did hte nk n1
* if we assume town!gamma, he protected shoshin and gave her fruit and it ended up at me, which means scum!shoshin swapped me/herself. it seems the protect saved the nk and since he healed shoshin (and thus me) it looks like the nk target was shoshin (and thus me) which is kinda unlikely if she is scum

none of these scenarios seem super likely to me

[skitter30]

yeah i thought so, i just wanted to clarify and make sure everything was understood by everyone

i think that we prob no-lynch today tbh
also i think that mass-claim and flavor-claim absolutely should happen before any theoretical lynch

[skitter30]

i'm leeman kessler

i failed to get a grand relic but upon dying my death will help others obtain it
so upon dying i give out something

[skitter30]

i was told by xyzzy that my role is passive and it kicks in when i die
so i can't be rb'd, it goes through ascetic, i won't be seen by trackers etc

i didn't specifically ask what happens if i ended up choosing myself because of switcheroo, but i'd guess it just goes through that too, but i can ask to clarify

[skitter30]

a) i didn't have a strong read on gamma for much of the day, repeatedly said i found his posting to be rather off throughout, lol-voted him when asked, thought the fast wagon was suspicious, and i'm pretty sure i was v/la after that for day end. i don't know if i would have gotten back on tbh. i don't think i pushed a wagon elsewhere after that (yeah ok i checked; where did that happen?). yes, i was wrong for thinking wagon speed was town-indicative, and it's possible i would have thought otherwise if i was there, but your'e also mischaracterizing what happened

b) why don't my reasons for townreading you make sense? your early-play game looked quite a lot similar to american presidents (not so much later play like day3 and day4 and today), and so i townread you. when your play stopped looking similar my townread waned quite strongly.

c) yes i was wrong on reck. you were wrong on varsoon. being wrong is scum-indicative because ...? i was also right on irrel, creature, sircakez, kokichi, varsoon. i get tunneled sometimes (i odn't think that happened in american presidents, but i can point to lots of whether games where i have (sometimes i get talked out of it; sometimes i don't), see jungle republic ). i don't think i can push a mislynch like that as scum knowing that i'm wrong. honesly i don't think i ever have; i find it insanely hard to project something like confidence when i know i'm in the wrong (the fact that you're confidentally saying this is what i do as scum but didn't meta me here is kinda ????). like that reck push really never comes from scum!m

d) wrt to kokichi it was mechanically correct but it felt wrong on some level; i did go back and reread him a bit and i felt like he was town so i didn't vote; like i understand it was correct but it felt wrong (also quite a few of your posts wrt kokichi implied that you thougth he was flipping town so calling me scummy for this is a little cog-dissy)

(also it's a little unfair to complain that i'm scummy for saying he should be lynched for mechanical reasons when you were badgering me yesterday to lynch him for mechanical reasons)

e) engagement this late in the game is absolutely a towntell for me (hi, look at open 737 and the scum pt), why are you saying it isn't? (i get burnt out as scum and cna't really maintain active posting this long; show me a scumgame where i posted this much please)

f) hedging language is a writing style thing, not an alignment thing (i even had this argument with irrel in american presidents)

p-edit, therew were a lot of pedits

[skitter30]

i feel like you're vastly mischaracterizing my playstyle

[skitter30]

here's actually nothing to townread about Skitter.

you're actually beginnign to make me rather angry/annoyed tbh

[skitter30]

i was told by xyzzy that my role is passive and it kicks in when i die
so i can't be rb'd, it goes through ascetic, i won't be seen by trackers etc

i didn't specifically ask what happens if i ended up choosing myself because of switcheroo, but i'd guess it just goes through that too, but i can ask to clarify

yeah it just goes to the person i picked last night

it doesn't get affected by other roles

[skitter30]

It sucks to get caught, so I understand why you'd be angry/annoyed.

honestly your'e making me want to swear at you
but that's not a thing i do so i guess i won't do that

you're calling me scum because you have an entirely wrong understanding of my scumplay and how i handle like anything as scum. you're not entertaining the possibilyt that you may be wrong. you havne't actually checked if how the play of theoretical scum!skitter matches with the play of actual scum!skitter (or your'e blatantly ignoring it in order to fit your narrative, idk)

(like i don't expect every random person to metadive me but you play rather much meta-based)

it's pissing me off a lot because you're acting like you know this for a fact and that it's entirely wrong

i really, really don't give a fuck about my scumplay. like yeah i want to win i guess and i go through the motions but the effort/care isn't there when i'm scum. like if i lose it's whatever, and i dont' really fight lynches on me (can't really fight lynches on me)

but i take a lot of pride in how i play town.

i know i towntold in general
i know i towntold for me
i know my play here (and right now, and this post even) looks literally nothing like my scumplay

and you acting otherwise with no evidence/backing is incredibly like pompously arrogant
you're acting like an authority in my play when you're clearly very much not

[skitter30]

Okay, Skitter. If you're town, and I'm town, and Gamma is town, who are the scum? Two of NSG, Nos, or Pork? Make a case on them that's stronger than the things I have on you.

pretty sure nsg

i think you/gamma is prob town

i don't think i can pick one of nos/pork without like rereading much of the game and isos
which will happen but not like much at this moment

[skitter30]

Okay, Skitter. If you're town, and I'm town, and Gamma is town, who are the scum? Two of NSG, Nos, or Pork? Make a case on them that's stronger than the things I have on you.

pretty sure nsg

i think you/gamma is prob town

i don't think i can pick one of nos/pork without like rereading much of the game and isos
which will happen but not like much at this moment

also i object to the notion that the things you have on me are 'strong'

[skitter30]

Okay, Skitter. If you're town, and I'm town, and Gamma is town, who are the scum? Two of NSG, Nos, or Pork? Make a case on them that's stronger than the things I have on you.

pretty sure nsg

i think you/gamma is prob town

i don't think i can pick one of nos/pork without like rereading much of the game and isos
which will happen but not like much at this moment

also i object to the notion that the things you have on me are 'strong'

tending towards nos i think but i'd have to go back and do the appropriate research before i can say that confidently

[skitter30]

it actually means he did it twice in a row (why would he do that ... ?)

given that i got it and shoshin swapped me/her and that seems to be where the nk was too given that nobody else is explaining where the nk went

[skitter30]

lept to? you know that i already had gamma as scum at the start of the day, right? like, my observation wasn't any sort of change in opinion - it was just that, an observation.

i'm pretty sure we have directly conflicting claims.

the fact that gamma also did not react or respond in any way at all to skitter's claiming that she received the fruit (literally the first post of the day) is pretty scum indicative. i think i'm leaning towards wanting to lynch gamma the most out of my three right now

because your response to saying 'i'm pretty sure we have directly conflicting claims' (which apparently we don't, but that's irrelevant, the point is that you thougth we did at the time) is to lynch outside of it

it's not that i think that the gamma scumread came out of nowhere, but rather that i don't understand why your impulse is to lynch outside of a pair of conflicting claims in lylo

(not entirely sure if lynching is the way to go today tho)

==

nsg i'm still having a bit of bop-scumread thing with you.

==

given that i got it and shoshin swapped me/her and that seems to be where the nk was too given that nobody else is explaining where the nk went

i mean i think a no-kill is probably the most likely answer

why?

==

and also given how public shoshin was about having / buying switcheroo it seems like a fallacy to say that scum must have shot at her wanting her to die and thus she's town

i'm not following this, elaborate?

[skitter30]

honestly your'e making me want to swear at you
but that's not a thing i do so i guess i won't do that

i apologize, i should not have said this
i was annoyed and getting frustrated but it's a game and i don't think you did anything in proportion to this response

(i still think you are rather misguided and that your approach to this is rather wrong and that i am rather frustrated, but getting personally annoyed with you was not an ok reaction and i apologize)

Skitter, can you post links to your scum games?

from the past couple of months:
open 732 - viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76766 ( i think i called this 737 earlier)
gerrymandering - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76501

gap since last august ( i didn't rolle scum for like ten months straight)
mini 1946: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=73273
mini 1940: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72998
mini 1931: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72708
micro 724: viewtopic.php?f=84&t=72357
newbie 1787: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=71332

[skitter30]

nsg what are your most recent scumgames?

[skitter30]

ones that i completed or ones that i was replaced out of

uh both i guess

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Gammagooey

Why isn't Gamma lynched yet?

I'm going to go over the varsoon stuff again later today because I don't really understand why people are scumreading him and a lot of the conversation around him but aside from that I feel like I've got a pretty decent handle on the game

@Shoshin - I'm giving Creature credit for having a decent scumgame because he and Papa Zito and Spiffeh smoked everyone in Transformers Mafia and from memory his earlygame there felt similar to the earlygame here of poking at a few things/people but really not doing a lot of substance.

VOTE: Porkens

Like his best post so far is #113 which is fine but not amazing and everything else feels between null and bad, and given the amount of people scumreading him to some extent it feels like we can make a real actual wagon happen even though nobody else is actually voting him right now.

Koki feels guttown to me too btw

I’m null/towny to you but you perceive that I’ll be an easy wagon.

K

VOTE: gammagooey

Irrelephant, I'm not seeing YOUR case on GamGooey as very strong. You are definitely targeting him, though. I assume that's because...

RadiantCowbells wrote:
VOTE: Irrelephant
VOTE: Kokichi Oma
VOTE: Gammagooey

Hey Gemerald can I get like a 2-3 line summary of how you feel about the game at the moment?

It's kinda hard to tell where your mind's at when I don't know how far through the game you are and how far you've read since you've last posted

"I don't want to read the thread and guess what you think, so just tell me please?"

Reading his ISO...

VOTE: Reckoner

The more I play forum mafia the more I enjoy last minute wagons

Gamma and Irrelephant

gamma, irrelephant, varsoon?

yeah ok with his playstyle i don't think that porkens is scum with gamma here (esp because of 424)

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scum probably got the self watcher and knew they had to kill varsoon. might be able to catch another scum from spending histories

this is still a weird post; not sure why you went to self-watcher here and not 'varsoon basically claimed a rb guilty in his opening post that gammag suicided to prevent him to reveal'

or why you thought spending histories were a thing

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VOTE: northsidegal
I gave nsg food (which was fried unicorn dick btw) both nights, I was trying to get her to respond in some way about it, but her thinking I targeted Kokichi tells me she is denying receiving it, which should be impossible.

this is anti-partner-y imo

[skitter30]

huh

now that i think about it

merle and taako haven't claimed; they should def be in this game i feel like

and since xyzzy prob wouldn't want to make all three of merle/taako/magnus town one of them may be scum?

[skitter30]

The way she reacted tells me something is interfering with her reception of the item. I targeted her twice BECAUSE I thought it was possible Varsoon did block me and events so happened in a way that it looked to him like I did the kill, so I wanted to try and get her to react once more. Unless mafia decided to roleblock me night 2 for some sideways logic,

that second one should 100% have been received.

As such her reaction is more likely deception than something actually causing a failure to transmit.

also a little weird
he's ignoring the possibility of her being ascetic or jk'd or something

[skitter30]

I don’t know what would have happened, but everyone suspected me so it was smarter to keep me out of lylo

why didn't/don't you have this attitude here really?

[skitter30]

yeah ok maybe it's gamma (no idea who the partner may be tho; probs not nos?)

i need to reread more things, maybe tomorrow

[skitter30]

N

ormally, I'd be throwing down on Gammagoo for that hammer, but I'm actually pretty sure of scum that isn't him.

S

o right now, I'm gonna sit on that, though, 'cus I am interested in what everyone else has to think.

G

ooey, do you have anything you want to share?

uh maybe i'm overlooking things but look at the bolded, first letter of each sentence

[skitter30]

like it's possible that's random but uh ....

[skitter30]

crumbing a n1 nsg block?

it's in his first post day2 where he talks about possibly knowing who one scum is so yeah it kinda looks like that to me

[skitter30]

scum probably got the self watcher and knew they had to kill varsoon. might be able to catch another scum from spending histories

this is still a weird post; not sure why you went to self-watcher here and not 'varsoon basically claimed a rb guilty in his opening post that gammag suicided to prevent him to reveal'

or why you thought spending histories were a thing

This makes a little more sense now, especially if you and/or gammag spotted the crumb

Still not sure where spending histories came from tho

[skitter30]

huh

now that i think about it

merle and taako haven't claimed; they should def be in this game i feel like

and since xyzzy prob wouldn't want to make all three of merle/taako/magnus town one of them may be scum?

Varsoon was taako

[skitter30]

There should still be a merle floating around i think tho

[skitter30]

idk he basically claimed scum so i'm wondering why he wasn't like ... more subtle about it? or waited until he was like about to get lynched?

[skitter30]

I dont think gamma emerald is partners with nsg or gammagooey from his day2 posts tbh

[skitter30]

+ nsg deciding to push gamma out of me/shoshin/gamma yesterday

Ok game makes a lot more sense now

[skitter30]

okay better question

why do you think nsg is scum?

@koki & RC - why do you think NSG is likely scum here? Cause her reads and posts that she's made so far seem perfectly fine to me, the only real complaint I'd have about her is that she doesn't seem as aggressive about her reads as she was in the one town game I've seen her in but I think that makes sense given that game was a large and this is a mini that just started this week.

There's also this, which always bothered me; it feels like he's defending a partner

(And playing dumb on the notion that people could actually read other players that well, and he's a smart dude)

Also not-partner indicatice for gamma i think

[skitter30]

Gammagooey, have you ever had a player who you knew well enough that you could read like any 1-2 of their posts and without actually thinking about anything, automatically know their alignment?

not personally I don't think, reck vs pie in face-to-face mafia is pretty magical though

if you're confident enough to basically declare "If I'm wrong about this I'm scum and you should lynch me" then I can mayyybe deal with it but otherwise I'd much rather see you actually try to explain it through whatever combination of gut feeling descriptions and playstyle quirks that you can.

^^^^

Talking about these

[skitter30]

Probably just nos?

Porkens was spewed town by gammagooey, im town, gamma doesnt seem to be a partner with nsg and gamma imo, and shoshin is prob town?

[skitter30]

I dont think there's much anti-partner-y between nos and nsg or nos and gammag

Besides nos being on gammag's early wagon (but the switch off of gammag to irrel was probably the worst)

And nsg pushing nos yesterday but there wasnt really teeth to it and like i thinj the kokichi thing was already decided (i could be wrong about the timing of kokichi; i dont remember offhand)

[skitter30]

i think i'm pretty much down for that

i also think she should have the chance to talk about it

i was also thinking but forgot to write that you've been consistently scumreading gamma + nsg but pushing gamma and trying to get him lynched which is kidna partner-indicative imo

[skitter30]

N

ormally, I'd be throwing down on Gammagoo for that hammer, but I'm actually pretty sure of scum that isn't him.

S

o right now, I'm gonna sit on that, though, 'cus I am interested in what everyone else has to think.

G

ooey, do you have anything you want to share?

uh maybe i'm overlooking things but look at the bolded, first letter of each sentence

porkens did you see this?

[skitter30]

I kinda want to lynch scum

[skitter30]

gacha vote:

me

[skitter30]

bleh actually i did forget

i think he's town but i'm thinking that i don't entirely trust him to use whatever it is properly or responsibly given that i'm not convinced he's actually, like, reading the game

[skitter30]

yeah i'm just thinking that he'll get like a doc and use it on nsg or something

[skitter30]

gamma what do you think of the nsg thing?

[skitter30]

do you think we should lynch today or no-lynch?

[skitter30]

Like i said ...

[skitter30]

Do you disagree that the crumb is real, or some other part of it ...?

[skitter30]

Its been three days and she's posted elsewhere on site. If she doesnt post by like tomorrow, im prob just voting her

[skitter30]

(Like three posts on thursday in when another game ended)

[skitter30]

VOTE: nsg

[skitter30]

meh i'm paranoid and don't feel like sitting in the thread rn to make sure this isn't some mistake and scum don't quickhammer or whatever

UNVOTE:

[skitter30]

viewtopic.php?p=10512922&user_select%5B ... #p10512922
and i don't think she's posted since then

[skitter30]

my point is she posted onsite about a day after i pointed out the rb thing, and then flaked

[skitter30]

although tbf it does look like she siteflaked after that

[skitter30]

Because im like the only person trying to solve the game rn

[skitter30]

i don't really consider roleblocker guilties "guilties" so that didn't really occur to me as a motivation. it seemed more likely to me that he tracked someone to a kill or something of that sort

i'm pretty sure he had already flipped at this point?

the summary is that i was roleblocked on the same night that a kill was stopped and thus people got it in their heads that i "had" to be lynched, while all the while i was screaming to actually lynch scum (and the rest of the game proceeded to ignore me, kill me anyways, and lose to the scum i was pointing out).

a) not trying to make you angry, apologies if i did
b) i don't know if i'm saying you *have* to be lynched, so much as saying i think that this is fairly incriminating
c) i don't really feel like you're screaming to actually lynch scum?

i do think that he crumbed that he rb'd you (the odds of the first letter of each sentence otherwise spelling out 'nsg' is ... pretty low + this is like varsoon and i think it's more likely that he'd have crumbed than not, especially given how role/mechanics-oriented he is)

i'm not saying that this guarantees that you're scum (and i don't think i called you scum because of it), but i think it's fairly incriminating, especially coupled with the fact that i'm scumreading you already

can you link some of those scumgames? there's something in particular i want to check

you're making a lot of assumptions to get to me being scum from varsoon blocking me. none of those assumptions are reliable and they're not things you should be going off of over the actual evidence that points to me being town

ok, what assumptions am i making?
what evidence points to you being town? (the last time i asked you basically said cuz rc was townreading you but you're currently pushing gamma so it's a little ???? to expect me to townread you on the word of a slot you're pushing)

that was just something quick on my phone. do you think that i would ignore my modding responsibilities or something just to avoid posting here? i don't understand what kind of correlation you're meant to be pointing out here.

more in the context of:
it looked like she's flaked from more serious (ie modding and game-related ) posting and i'm not entirely sure i wanted to go through getting a replacement in mylo and i kinda wanted to just vote you out instead of waiting for a catchup and prolonging the game and spending days dragging reactions and responses out of people and making someone rep-in to a rb guilty

i couldn't talk about the modding obviously at that point but i was basically thinking that if you hadn't been modding you were prob not going to be posting here either

also i will admit that i'm lowkey weirded out that like everyone stopped posting for like half a week and it kinda makes me think that scum are ok with it? not entirely sure tbh. either that or scum didn't really react? i don't know how to tell which

[skitter30]

and inb4 "someone could have used extreme teen bible"

no because that would require them to have gotten 200 gold from d1 town lynch

only way that could have happened is if i used my role on someone and they blocked it, in which case they would have been town and claimed

tbf i'm pretty sure someone flipped who could get that much gold off of one lynch (although tbf i think it had to be a scum lynch; i'd have to go and check all the flips tho to be sure)

[skitter30]

yeah ok, nm, all the flips can only get that much after being on a scum lynch

[skitter30]

kk, sorry, i wasn't sure if you had

[skitter30]

Shoshin not really posting anything is kinda sketching me out

Gamma just waiting for someone else to vote and hopping on immediately thereafter is also, especially since he's been doing that for like the last two dayphases

[skitter30]

Skitter, can you post links to your scum games?

I still think the correct move is to no lynch today so that we can use gacha and items.

How much gold?

Like what is this?

Im really not understanding why you're being so secretive about your reads

[skitter30]

And going through mylo without fully massclaiming seems incrediblu strange to me as well

[skitter30]

I get incredibly skittish and paranoid in xylo

And my point is that you waited to vote till nos did

And technically we dont know that there's no counter since two people havent claimed, and theoretically scum could have no killed

I dont think that either of those scenarios are particularly likely tbf

[skitter30]

things feel kinda wrong rn

i don't like that people are just going along with this and that the game has just kinda gone silent and that i have to like pull reactions out of people; it kinda makes me think that scum are content to just let me get the lynch i want

i don't like the way gamma hopped on

i don't like the fact that i have no idea what shoshin is thinking

[skitter30]

VOTE: no lynch

[skitter30]

Gamma just waiting for someone else to vote and hopping on immediately thereafter is also, especially since he's been doing that for like the last two dayphases

well believe it or not scum will do that

i don't like nos shading gamma's vote either

[skitter30]

gacha vote

: porkens

in case nsg is scum

i kinda want to FOS all of you, and since you presumably aren't all scum this is making the game kinda hard for me to solve

i kinda need people to talk to me; otherwise i just talk myself into things and if i'm wrong scum just let me do my own thing and i'm kinda getting that vibe rn

[skitter30]

like scum them would require:
*shoshin performed the nk n1
* gamma targeted his partner with the fruit
* shoshin swapped herself and me
* shoshin targeted herself for the nk

for the known night actions ot make sense and the last two are kinda ????? unlikely

just gamma scum means:
* unknown partner did the nk n1 (perhaps nsg)
* he sent the fruit to shoshin, who he was also planning on killing? (but it inadvertantly ended up at me because of switcheroo)
* he claims to have protected *someone* to explain the nk before the switcheroo comes out


just shoshin scum means:
* idk who did hte nk n1
* if we assume town!gamma, he protected shoshin and gave her fruit and it ended up at me, which means scum!shoshin swapped me/herself. it seems the protect saved the nk and since he healed shoshin (and thus me) it looks like the nk target was shoshin (and thus me) which is kinda unlikely if she is scum

i'm pretty sure you aren't scum together
i don't have a good reason to rule out each of you independently

i don't particularly townread porkens but i think he isn't scum with gamma emerald (i'm a little paranoid of like a traitor or something; i don't townread him on play but rather on associatives)

i just don't really want to be wrong in mylo; i have a pretty good track record of getting xylo right and i don't want to ruin it

[skitter30]

*porkens isn't scum with gammagooey

[skitter30]

also on some level i don't really want to be wrong in mylo on nsg

[skitter30]

i mean he was also scumreading you earlier + you're actively pushing gamma rn + gammagooey has a partner-y interaction with rc calling you scum

[skitter30]

if you guys are going to lynch me after rc called me locktown multiple times,

shoshin has essentially prodged today after promising amazing reads yesterday and gamma has pretended to play the game then this town deserves to lose. that's not even talking about actually lynching today instead of no-lynching.

if i get lynched and someone gets a lucky doc protect or something it's gamma / shoshin.

bolded however i agree with because i kinda feel like i'm practically playing this game by myself and i kinda just want to end it so i don't have to spend the next two weeks pulling reactions out of people and just wondering if people are telling me what i want to hear

also gamma/shoshin logistically makes no sense

[skitter30]

like scum them would require:
*shoshin performed the nk n1
* gamma targeted his partner with the fruit
* shoshin swapped herself and me
* shoshin targeted herself for the nk

i know you disagree that scum had to have nk'd last night

what do u think happened n1?

[skitter30]

do you bus as scum?

[skitter30]

for the two of them to be scum together we'd need: gamma to target his partner, who then swapped herself and me, so that he'd ultimatley target me, and then have shoshin target her partner to me

and then not do the nk and/or target shoshin (ie me)

and just like .... why do that?

[skitter30]

do you bus as scum?

t

here was a point a decent amount into my career where i had yet to cast a vote against a scumbuddy

pretty sure that's no longer true but i don't really remember any of my most recent scumgames

ok this is what i was getting at.

besides for nos you've only voted people who flipped; incidentally all of those people flipped town
and what i wanted to check is as scum if you really avoid pushing your partners like at all

this is part of my BOP thing with you - have you had towngames where you've never pushed scum in xylo?

[skitter30]

is there some reason not to? because your last line is explicitly a reason

to

idk it just seems like a convoluted mess and idk why anybody would bother with that

[skitter30]

do you bus as scum?

t

here was a point a decent amount into my career where i had yet to cast a vote against a scumbuddy

pretty sure that's no longer true but i don't really remember any of my most recent scumgames

ok this is what i was getting at.

besides for nos you've only voted people who flipped; incidentally all of those people flipped town
and what i wanted to check is as scum if you really avoid pushing your partners like at all

this is part of my BOP thing with you - have you had towngames where you've never pushed scum in xylo?

*never knowingly voted scum in xylo

[skitter30]

it's not like anything was really sacrificed from that sequence of events. a fruit vend is pretty useless and unless they were concerned about some remaining investigative or something then using what they have in a series of events designed such that the complicated nature of things makes it look like they're not partnered is just the smart thing to do.

like i agree it's not clearing but just like ... why

it's such a silly way to use switcheroo - shoshin did have a point that she could have theoretically used it the night before kokichi got lynched to get a townie lynched to get kokichi quicklynched in lylo to just win

like it's just a waste and kinda pointless

[skitter30]

if you're going to take this as an alignment indicative point, don't you think that's the kind of thing you should check rather than just taking my word for it? (and really only taking the first part of my word there)

i mean i asked you like a week ago if you could link your scumgames so that i could check it because picking out individual scumgames out of someone's list of topics is a pain; that's why i asked

i did it but the recent ones that i found you got replaced so idk if that's really indicative of anything or if i missed more recent ones

[skitter30]

you're assuming that shoshin did the switcheroo yesterday. is that true?

that's a fair point

i know i got fruit from gamma last night
i know that shoshin claims to have swapped me and her and tracked gamma to me
i know that gamma claims ot have given it to shoshin

the last two points could have theoretically made up for all i know

but then what did she do with it?
i guess you can say she never had it but like ... what did she do with all that gold?

[skitter30]

i mean tbf it's mylo and i still don't know what she did with the jk or nea so i guess that's not completely implausible

[skitter30]

yeah she wanted to lynch herself to lynch me - oh right that's why i believed it because that's a really really dumb thing to proposeif you don't have switcheroo

[skitter30]

but then what did she do with it?
i guess you can say she never had it but like ... what did she do with all that gold?

tracking people each night? ascetic / self watch each night? both of these? not sure.

mainly my point is that when i got reminded of shoshin saying something about how we'd have to lynch you if we wanted to lynch her or the inverse or something it just got me thinking how great of a plan to fake that it'd be as scum. even if you scumclaimed you would still get someone else lynched.

she definitely proposed lynching herself to lynch me and not the other way around

lynching herself (without switcheroo) as scum in xylo is like ... not a smart thing to do and townspews me

[skitter30]

Anyway, we need to lynch me (i.e. Skitter) and NSG. That should win us the game.

[skitter30]

yeah she wanted to lynch herself to lynch me - oh right that's why i believed it because that's a really really dumb thing to proposeif you don't have switcheroo

i don't think scum honestly thinks they can mislynch you here. has anyone except shoshin at the start of the day even brought up you being scum?

shoshin + i think porkens
i think they might htink i'm lynchable because otherwise idk why i'm still alive
(although tbf i get left alive for xylo a lot more than i really should even when i'm hilariously not lynchable so /shrug)

[skitter30]

To be clear, this game would already be over if I were scum, because I have switcheroo.

interesting quote in the context of what i was talking about

so your theory is that she had to 'prove' that she had switcheroo and that's what happened last night
she either used it or she's scum with gamma (or both) in order for all the claims to make sense

[skitter30]

i do think it was weird she was scumreading me at the start of the day because it came out of nowhere and like there are easier mislynches around

[skitter30]

she definitely proposed lynching herself to lynch me and not the other way around

lynching herself (without switcheroo) as scum in xylo is like ... not a smart thing to do and townspews me

are you saying that voting herself was something that she actually planned on doing? i don't think that's actually the case.

ok i think you're town (or at least enough not to lynch you today) +
i'm happy i didnt lolhammer earlier (i was getting kinda close tbh)

mostly because the things you're saying enough rn are sufficiently nuanced + thought-provoking; your thoughts in the isos you've just linked are a lot more surface-level if that makes sense

[skitter30]

so your theory is that she had to 'prove' that she had switcheroo and that's what happened last night

the point i was trying to make was moreso the idea that "this game is already won if i'm scum" is a mindset consistent with the way shoshin has been playing

although yes, that's also a very real motivation

as the game goes on scum!me just loses motivation to post, especially if i know i effectively won the game and that i've just got to go through the motions

i'm kinda wondering if she gets like that
i think i have to track down a scumgame from her

also the lack of WIM is just kinda ???? weird and nothing like prez

i also really, really, really hate that she isn't being forthcoming with reads and that she hasn't claimed and that i don't know what she's done w ith gacha

[skitter30]

meh she only has the one scumgame on site and she's out of her range as far as i can tell
tbf it was her first game on site

[skitter30]

To be clear, this game would already be over if I were scum, because I have switcheroo.

interesting quote in the context of what i was talking about

she was also using that to claim she was conftown
i thought that was a little fallacious because it's entirely possible scum!her couldn't have put the plan in place or thought about it too late or whatever

[skitter30]

The fact that Gamma was able to prove his role means he's town 99% of the time. So I'm never never lynching Gamma's slot. Ever.

this was also kinda fallacious

[skitter30]

aifoaoifafria

why am i always in xylo

[skitter30]

@shoshin i'm going to vote you if you don't fullclaim (role + gacha results + gold usage) or give me a very good reason why not

it's mylo, as a reminder

[skitter30]

i really see no reason for this not to happen in mylo
and i don't like that you're being so secretive about it

[skitter30]

VOTE: nsg

I don't get why we're voting nsg instead of no lynching but if this is what we're doing, I want to be on this for the gold.

you scumread nsg so you do you want to no-lynch instead of lynching her?

[skitter30]

yeah that's why i started to say something feels really wrong

she didn't talk about you since before i pointed out the rb-crumb thing
nos voted and then gamma and shoshin hopped in sketchily

you're at l1 now if you weren't aware

[skitter30]

oh

ya'll are bad at this

Gachapon vote: Gammagooey

VOTE: Gammagooey

have one more I guess though

I've been here before
I know where it goes
It goes down

1 player voting for Shoshin for Fantasy Gachapon (skitter30)
1 player voting for Gammagooey for Fantasy Gachapon (Gammagooey)

i think this is kinda partner non-indicative tho

[skitter30]

that reads like he was trying for town not to get it
not sure why he'd bother if she was his partner

[skitter30]

that reads like he was trying for town not to get it
not sure why he'd bother if she was his partner

i'd be instantly suspicious if he didn't do that

i mean it's possible that he wouldn't have thought about it; i don't know if i would have in that scenario tbh

[skitter30]

that reads like he was trying for town not to get it
not sure why he'd bother if she was his partner

Yeah
It would be more advantageous to aim to get it rather than risk losing it

gamma, you're aware that popping in with this post makes it look like you're trying to defend shoshin, right?

[skitter30]

gamma had shoshin has his top townread
shoshin was *hard* townreading him for a post he made in rvs for like hundreds of posts. she finally admitted that some of his posts were kinda hollow 652; said gamma had a bad post that made him partners with varsoon 843 and then didn't mention him till she voted him in 1257 (ie after he scumclaiemd)

7 players voting for Gammagooey (Creature, skitter30, xRECKONERx, xRECKONERx, Porkens, Shoshin, Gammagooey)

[skitter30]

they had a silly argument about whether or not creature was town too, but that's all of their notable interactions

[skitter30]

gamma had shoshin has his top townread
shoshin was *hard* townreading him for a post he made in rvs for like hundreds of posts. she finally admitted that some of his posts were kinda hollow 652; said gamma had a bad post that made him partners with varsoon 843 and then didn't mention him till she voted him in 1257 (ie after he scumclaiemd)

7 players voting for Gammagooey (

Creature, skitter30, xRECKONERx, xRECKONERx

, Porkens, Shoshin,

Gammagooey

)

and there's presumably scum on there other than gamma

[skitter30]

nsg how likely is it do you think that varsoon blocked according ot the reads of that much-cited readslist?

[skitter30]

i figured it was safe to do as we've established that literally nobody is lynching me today

[skitter30]

(also it was easier to just wrap the color tag around four names in a row instead of making two seperate ones )

[skitter30]

i meant before i found the crumb, sorry. did you think it was likely that the people he blocked was at the bottom?

[skitter30]

Those posts don't make Koki town, Creature. You were in that Pokemon game, right? It shows clearly that 30, 31, and 32 are all within Koki's capabilities as scum.

Varsoon rb'd someone to stop the kill... and we know Varsoon probably rb'd Emerald or Kokichi, with a very distant possibility of Skitter or Porkens... so it's likely that one of these players is scum.

It wasn't Emerald unless NSG is lying. So Kokichi was probably rb'd, as that's more likely than Varsoon rb'ing Skitter/Porkens.

What's wrong with my logic?

i'm thinking of this; i kinda felt like she was using the list as a reason to push me/porkens/kokichi (i'm town; kokichi was town; porkens is believed to be town) + gamma she wasn't pushing because we know he gave you the fruit

[skitter30]

We reconsider Skitter only if Koki/Gamma are both town.

[skitter30]

gamma can you unvote nsg please?

[skitter30]

let's force her to claim before we figure out who to lynch tho

[skitter30]

can you unvote nsg please?

[skitter30]

uh do you think tha'ts at all likely rn?

[skitter30]

like i can see porkens doing something like that ... but like do you really think i'd do that?

[skitter30]

yeah i was kinda like ???? because i'm like the least likely person to do that in this game

[skitter30]

VOTE: shoshin

[skitter30]

that doesn't conftown him

i agree that it doesn't make sense for him to give food to creature the night that he died
that doesn't make him conftown either

[skitter30]

@shoshin i'm going to vote you if you don't fullclaim (role + gacha results + gold usage) or give me a very good reason why not

it's mylo, as a reminder

ok i'm apparently policying you in mylo, cool

[skitter30]

i'm a little sketched out that with a vote on you in mylo you're arguing whether or not i should be treating gamma as conftown

[skitter30]

i disagree that he's confotwn

i think that giving food to someone scum!him was planning on killing was suboptimal
i don't think that fact inherently makes him town

[skitter30]

Stop being emotional, Skitter.

oh i'm not being emotinal rn
i'm giving you an ultimatum

[skitter30]

I can't control your vote, Skitter. That's on you.

ok

it's mylo. if i were town and someone voted me in mylo i'd be trying to get them to unvote me cuz like i don't want to lose the game or be lynched

you're trying to get me to conftown gamma

you're saying that you're unwilling to cooperate with me if i don't conftown him
but you're being incredibly anti-town by not cooperating by refusing to claim in mylo, and refusing to explain why you wont' claim in mylo
and if you're town not doing either of those things rn is anti-town because you have a vote on you in mylo

[skitter30]

Skitter, the play wasn't just suboptimal, it's strongly, blatantly, and obviously anti-scum. The question is, why would scum Gamma ever intentionally act in such an obvoiusly anti-scum way? Like, use your brain. Scum don't do what Gamma did. They just don't.

i disagree that it's as anti-scum as you describe

i think it's more anti-scum for scum to no-kill last night as you were suggesting

[skitter30]

is anyone else sketched out by this?

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:

[skitter30]

I don't know what my role PM says exactly and I'm too lazy to go check that stuff. I really don't think it matters. I don't know the character I am and I don't care to check. I'm a 1-shot cop with an innocent on Gamma from N2. I used initial gacha role on Varsoon. I used roleblocker on NSG on N3. I used tracker on Gamma on N4 because I doubted my innocent result and wanted to see if he'd be caught visiting the nightkill again (after the Creature thing).

That's all.

a) i don't think i particularly believe 1s cop (if you really are i'd guess you'd be merle but eh)
b) why would you doubt a cop result ... ?
c) if this is true nsg didn't nk n3 (this is the night creature died i think) (also you didn't have rb you had jk)

i still dont' get why i had to like force this out of you

it would explain why you were tr'ing gamma that hard tho (but if you were tr'ing him that hard why would you use a tracker on him ...?)

[skitter30]

No killing last night isn't anti-scum. It's one of the obvious moves that scum could pull.

But let's assume scum killed last night. If they did, as you seem to believe, then you must be 100% convinced that Gamma is town and that I'm town. Which begs the question, why are you voting me? And why are you so against confirming Gamma as town? Why are you so insistent on keeping us open as mislynch options?

i don't follow the logic of nokilling -> gamma is town and that you're town

i was voting you to get you to claim

[skitter30]

My god, Skitter. You're scum. I

'm not going to read your games.

The way you're playing this is clearly scum motivated. You're ignoring the clear evidence that Gamma's town, and you're ignoring the clear evidence that I'm town. And instead, you want to keep us open as mislynch options. You can hang. I'm done wasting my time discussing this game with you.

@Nos

NSG & Skitter are the scum. What do I need to do to convince you? Please review the reasons I've provided as to why Gamma is town.

after presidents i really don't believe that this is how town!you approaches this
i disagree that i'm beign scum-motivated rn

i disagree that gamma giving food to creature the night he died is strong evidence that he's town (why are you using this to explain that he's town and not the inno you have on him?)
what strong evidence is there that you're town

[skitter30]

why did you even check gamma that night, i thought you were strongly townreading rc?

[skitter30]

I don't know what my role PM says exactly and I'm too lazy to go check that stuff. I really don't think it matters. I don't know the character I am and I don't care to check. I'm a 1-shot cop with an innocent on Gamma from N2. I used initial gacha role on Varsoon. I used roleblocker on NSG on N3. I used tracker on Gamma on N4 because I doubted my innocent result and wanted to see if he'd be caught visiting the nightkill again (after the Creature thing).

That's all.

so you're basically telling me:
a) you doubed your inno because he had visited the nightkill so you decided to track him to check if he'd be at the nk again
b) i'm scummy for not town-clearing him for giving food to creature the night creature died

you realize that this is a double standard, right?

[skitter30]

yes, as her partner, i think it's a good idea to point out a rb guilty on her, good job

[skitter30]

I used tracker on Gamma on N4 because I doubted my innocent result and wanted to see

if he'd be caught visiting the nightkill again

(after the Creature thing).

this is incredibly strange wording

[skitter30]

I don't believe you're asking these questions in good faith, Skitter. There is no double standard. When I tracked Gamma, you hadn't confirmed his role for me yet. I was doubting his role, and had paranoia that the scum was him & NSG (notice who I roleblocked on N3).

Gamma is town. Obviously town. And that should be clear to you. It became clear the moment you received food from him.

i'm trying to understand what you did and why

i don't understand why you tracked your inno n4 (the reason you gave is that you were wary of him because he had been to the nk the night before)

to me that implies you think he's a gf (you have an inno on him) and that he went to creature to explain being there so you tracked him again (ie yo uthink it's scummy he was at the nk)

i'm saying that i don't think dispensing food to the person who died is townie