Mini Theme 2044: BTVIII - That One Time...At Boon Camp

[UnaBombaH]

Alonzo is scum this game.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[UnaBombaH]

They likely just know a specific role exists, not who it is.
I have thoughts about Kokichi, and I also think the nightkill was stopped.

Chill was either gonna go to claims next, or claims something himself.

[UnaBombaH]

As scum I would not bus a strong PR on day 1. Sue me. That doesn't mean I'm not town.

Wait!

Hold the phone!

You just undermined your entire d2 play in this post.

VOTE: TChill13

Currently catching up, not gonna do the whole wallpost-spam thing I usually do as I am AS HUNGOVER AS I HAVE EVER BEEN.

But like..what the hell.
I'm very much confused by all these "slips" that people see thrown around.
I don't think the avenue for "investigation" should be in searching for slips.
It should be with what people said at the start of the day, and who people think was the most likely to get townslotted by that sudden lynch.
That is where the scum likely tried to shoot, and that is where protection was likely directed.
Remember that scum agreed to a fast night as well as everyone else...meaning that they likely had a clear plan of operation ready.

All I really have for an input is that I think Kokichi should NOT be handed a locktown-status because of how the day ended.
If anything, I'd say that MO fitted scum!Kokichi better than town.
I'll maybe try to find actual evidence at some point, but town!Kokichi just hammers at the post where this here Kokichi said he would LIKE TO.
Fairly certain.

[UnaBombaH]

It takes Grand Canyon league leaping to think scum bussed hard on D1 and then went even harder on d2 on yet another scum buddy before pulling out at the last second.

I'm thinking for sure one scum on the lynch (my prime-suspect is Kokichi) or maybe even two.

[UnaBombaH]

4 - I know I'm not scum
5 - 5th vote makes a wagon serious, less likely to be scum
6 - L-1 on page 1 from scum on their buddy? LOLno.
7 - Hammer on D1 by their buddy? Nah, not buying it.

Kokichi+Shortaru..anyone?

[UnaBombaH]

Even if it’s scum una his next post is going to be “thanks tchill, why yes I am town”

..I kind of missed my mark for this, didn't I?

[UnaBombaH]

If we hammer we get a confirm town (una) if tchill flips cop.

...and then I get killed the following night and we are back to 0 confirmed townies?
A game-winning move this one here, for sure!

We leave the Chill-killing for scum.

They either do it or we keep getting pseudo-innocents until we decide to lynch Chill for the "cashout". (before MyLo/LyLo obviously)
Focus on other players and aspects of the game for now.

[UnaBombaH]

Still don’t get the point

Even if it’s scum una his next post is going to be “thanks tchill, why yes I am town”

Doesn’t prove anything

Right. Because scum is going to confirm their buddy as town.

Then when neither scum ever dies at night?

One gets paranoia lynched.

When that one flips scum?

The other one gets lynched.

Look past the current circumstances and consider the future.

This here gives short some townpoints.
Their thoughtprocess is correct here.

[UnaBombaH]

OK, sorry for the spam peeps! I'll make the rest of this catchup a wall after all.
I really need to take a pill for the headache and go to sleep ASAP, but I'll finish this first..

Not sure if it's just shady or unfortunate that we happened to be waiting for the least active player to confirm if he is town

I'd rather just have tchill tell us if he is cop or not, more details about his claimed role.

I wouldn't object to that either.

More info needs to come out, I agree.

If confirmation from Una is necessary afterwards, it can come from his replacement if he flakes.

I have replaced out of ONE GAME. One.
And I'm not the least active just because the game continues while it's nighttime in Finland and I've been in a cabin for four days straight drinking..

If Una doesn't confirm TChill is town via role, he gets lynched.

Don't think I can do this..

But I have a feeling Chill wanted me to come around more because I'm very adept at reading him..? Not sure.
However, I do think Chill is likely town here.
It all depends on whether he tries to just lay low under his claim, or if he keeps posting..
So far he hasn't pinged me as scum.

Scum typically always goes after the hammer. Regardless if that flip was town or scum.

He is using OMGUS to go after me because as scum he knows I'm town.

This feels wrong to me.

You said you are not willing to out your main-acc. but can you at least tell me if we have ever played together before?

i cant lynch more than [lamees, shortaru, tchill]

..and for this, you can be town for now.
Not willing to lynch Chill myself though.

[UnaBombaH]

Suspect List, work in progress, log for D2:

Kokichi Oma
Tchill13
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Alonzo
Gamma Emerald
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Lamees
Chateau Lobby
Shortaru
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I'm not willing to narrow the suspect-list any further than this right now. (everyone out of this list is currently out of my radar unless something drastic happens)
I have trouble thinking there's NOT 2 scum in the above, and since I'm a fan of thinking a 3man-scumteam exists..

The first one to leave this list is likely going to be either Chill or Kokichi once I make up my mind on what happened last night.

Alonzo and Gamma I just need to read for a day or two more and I'll feel confident.

The last three almost certainly has one scum amongst them.
However, I'm currently torn by few factors on each of them which is stopping me from deciding.
A lot depends on whether I know who Chateau actually is. And whether Lamees is always like this.
Shortaru might be the hardest for me to sort, I'll need come up with something..

*off to bed*

[UnaBombaH]

If we hammer we get a confirm town (una) if tchill flips cop.

...and then I get killed the following night and we are back to 0 confirmed townies?
A game-winning move this one here, for sure!

We leave the Chill-killing for scum.

They either do it or we keep getting pseudo-innocents until we decide to lynch Chill for the "cashout". (before MyLo/LyLo obviously)
Focus on other players and aspects of the game for now.

I'm 2 shot

I’m Boon.

I'm Batman.

[UnaBombaH]

Reads before I go sleep:

Town
Chibibear
Formerfish
Tchill13
Profii

Scum
Gamma Emerald
Konichi Oma

Null
The rest

This is another scum-strike for Lamees.
Hard To explain without coming Off mean, but.. Green or Scum.

[UnaBombaH]

Una, short and kokichi are town. That is all.

Please don't townbin short/koki together.

[UnaBombaH]

green = new right

Oh, yea. In This case I meant something along those lines..

[UnaBombaH]

Oh I forgot, unabombah is town, since tchill13 cleared him. If it weren't for that, I'd be scum reading him because omg he sucks (so much).

.. aand this is the most obvious one.
Can you guess another reason?

[UnaBombaH]

I wouldn’t suggest explicitly saying one person
I’d suggest that TChill give a set of 2-3 people he is targeting

Not this either.
Chill should flat out tell us who he targets.
We make our deductions (if any) after the night.
No need to lay down the WIFOM for scum beforehand, leave that work to them.

VOTE: Kokichi

[UnaBombaH]

Unas still Drunk in a cabin presumably.

Nah, just on a different timezone from the most(?) of you ppl.
And I had a long day at work yesterday.
As well as today.
And I'm going through a divorce.
So you could say there are some things on my plate from time to time..?

I have two days off tomorrow and Thursday, and I'm currently catching up.
I'm going to provide original content either late today (~12hours from now) or tomorrow once I get up (24h from now).

Gotta say, I like the fact that we get a lot of posting this game, but I dislike the fact that it's the same people all the time, and the discussion hasn't evolved much to any direction..!

[UnaBombaH]

So... who's down for a Chateau lynch?

Chateau hasn't said ANYTHING towards me yet.
Nothing regarding my catchup-posts.
All I wanted to hear was whether he has played with me before - that would be enough for me - but for whatever reason he avoided that question completely as well..
DISLIKE.

[UnaBombaH]

We just gotta decide as a group if we wanna keep shorty around as too scummy to be scum, or make TW's lynch look like a slowroll.

I'm starting to think shorty might be playing a "too scummy to be scum", making it "too scummy to be town"..
I def. want shorty or koki lynched today. And would prefer Chill checking the other.

unas called hands off Tchango which il respect for now.

Much appreciated.

^^this is as far as I got in the morning - now I'm off to work.

[UnaBombaH]

A group is a decent idea but directly choosing one person isn't imo.

Just choose one person and claim it beforehand.
I do not trust you fully yet either, so I don't want you to have any wiggle room.
You claim a target and just go with it no matter what happens.
Weak roles don't have much anything in the way of chances, other than to trust their teammates to solve the game after they eventually die.

Also - one more conf.townie doesn't help us much at this point, so if I were you, I'd aim at a strong scumread and hope to die!

[UnaBombaH]

Im a 2 shot Baylip, which means I can scan a player for a Vanilla result, and Protect them in the process if the result is positive.

I scanned Una last night.

RadiantChateua has claimed Vanilla in jest, So il put him to the test for you...

This actually sounds like a solid idea, but I'd be willing to bet you get a negative result.

[UnaBombaH]

No. Maybe. Yes. No, no. I think. Perhaps.

I'm almost certain I know you.
(But I have no idea who you actually are. )

Your way of pigheading onwards reminds me of DerpyHooves/Gustavo as my latest point of reference.
Your posting has otherwise been formatted very differently though, so it could also just be someone who is trying to brute force their own wish through..
..but since now you don't have your past triumphs to back you up, no one is willing to follow you blindly.

I can respect you not wanting to reveal your alt here, but I can't understand the way you are currently playing.

[UnaBombaH]

Since we have played with each other a few times, can you tell me why you scumread me?

I'm thinking your way of acting around the hammer D1 felt uncharacteristic. I've yet to do my research, so until then it's just a gutfeel.
You are free to discredit me if I can't find proof obviously, but I feel confident in saying that normally town!Kokichi doesn't care at all who they hammer - especially D1.

I can also see the worst "giving his blessing" for his teammate to hammer him as early as that!
I have done some

extensive

reading into BuDucky, so I feel like I have some merit when I say this.

[UnaBombaH]

I read the game over the night.
I have thoughts.
I will put them to words in the morning (night in here).

[UnaBombaH]

Don't hammer just yet.

[UnaBombaH]

I mean.. I think there's something to scavenge from all of this. I do not see Chill not being the lynch today, but that doesn't mean We shouldn't try and discuss everythibg else through before the Day ends.
Is everyone "OK" with all the flips We got so far?
Who do we townread/scumread in light of the flips and wagons?
Sure, we started the game with an amazing lynch but now we had three VT-flips in a row and might rush to end the day where we have the most conf. townies we will likely ever have left.

Assuming Chill flips scum - who is their partner?
Why didn't he claim a visit to Profii if he really performed the NK? EASY COVER TO USE compared to lying his action.
This would all mean that scum still have a strong PR they rather used elsewhere since Chill performed the kill and still felt the need to claim a contradicting visit.

Now assume Chill flips town weak visitor, or whatever his claim was.
Shouldn't FF then be scum for lying?
But he would also be cleared because of Chill, right?
Why not just bow down and accept the locktown - status, as scum?

So we have either one of them as scum playing very suboptimal / risky here, while the other gets townbinned after the flip?
Or they are both scum and went for the maximum distancing move when they know Chill will be under suspicions until the last gameday..?

Anyway, I agree Chill gets lynched by the EoD but I'd use more of the time we have.

[UnaBombaH]

Also: if Chill flips scum here, his buddy is already on the wagon.
Close to a 100%

[UnaBombaH]

It's just wifom. I am leaning he didn't expect ff to track him.

Oh, yes.
No intention to fall into that swamp - we should by all means lynch Chill today. (I'd still argue that he could've flipflopped his claimed result after FF contradicted it if he really wanted to. Which makes me think scum don't care if Chill goes down today. And that worries me a bit.)

I just want people to do some thinking BEFOREHAND and OUT LOUD as well.
That is because not all of us will wake up to D4, and some of us might have some crucial info to give.
I feel like the remaining scum are amongst the people who are advocating for the quick hammer.
Which in turn could mean that scum managed to investigate(?) and sniff out a hidden town-PR last night.
Or they are pushing a mislynch on Chill because they managed to somehow screw the results up.
Town has absolutely no need to rush the day to an end (other than laziness IMO).

[UnaBombaH]

I thought Boons idea of balancing and rules were basically "old normal-queue" + 1/2 "Boon-roles".
I'd say a redirector of any kind was never considered "Normal"(??) and thus I'd say Boon wouldn't include that kind of a "Boon-role" in any way either.
Therefore it seems unlikely that Chill was redirected -> either Chill or FF is lying.

[UnaBombaH]

The Last scum is in FF/Kokichi/SS.
My whole point earlier was just to get some more content out of everyone, but especially Chill.
Evrrything he did today could be chalked up to having given up, OR trying to make the biggest play of distancing possible.
FF comes out of this looking like obv. town, and that is a Red flag to me.

[UnaBombaH]

The thing is FF, that I do not think Chill plays his fakeclaim so clumsily.
He tried to appeal with the "I already gave up", but somehow I feel like he really didn't.
I'm afraid this was just an outlandish gambit from you guys in an attempt to make sure that at least one of you guys might make it before the PoE catches up to you guys.

He tried to drop multiple different "soft hints" about not being scum..and especially with you.
Combine that with the fact that you are the one who "hard-guiltied" him..

Kokichi - SS - FF.

[UnaBombaH]

TChill and TheWorst are usually two of the easiest players for me to read.
So even with (or specifically because) TW was lynched D1, I think Chill would've wanted me dead N1.

Otherwise Im not that often a reasonable kill as I am mislynchable.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm gonna ISO Chill later today and We Will probably find a lead to follow.

[UnaBombaH]

What was the situation here again?
Does anyone have any shots left?

[UnaBombaH]

It sucks then.
There is no autowin.
We actually have to work for reads today.

The problem with games that start well often ends up being the fact that there's very little to read into.
Game devolves into claims/claimed night-actions only.
So when we run out of those, we are suddenly dumbfounded.

I'm still thinking FF/SS, and since I have a bad habit of getting paranoid, I'm trying to get into a habit of tunneling instead..

[UnaBombaH]

I play a lot better when I'm one of the suspects.
I find it very hard to latch onto a read right now, and I feel like scum haven't done "enough" to be caught on Reads alone.

So I'm still stuck with SS being scum based on Invis decision to claim how/when he did.
And if not that, FF is scum based on how Chill went down.
If that doesn't win us the game, I admit that I need to learn how to play when we are actually doing good from the start.

[UnaBombaH]

Oh, and whoever has softed suspicions towards me after Chill flipped, is to be suspected. Remember this if I kick the bucket.
I still refuse to believe that Chill gave up altogether. I think he did his best to give the remaining scum SOMETHING to try and push.

[UnaBombaH]

Thought the replacement might save me for a second.

Wish it would have been an actual idiot.

Also this pinged me instantly as fake.
Trying to "slip" that Invis-slot is town.

[UnaBombaH]

Can't wait to play scum with FF, gamma or alonzo...

Specifically lol.

..and this would fit scum!FF with the same thought In mind.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm trying to reach soulread-level with Chill, and see what his mind worked on when he made his last posts.

Like you're cute and all SS but these are my dying moments. I'd like to spread the love.

+

FF you ain't got anything else to say? Just letting me pass on through to the next life huh? Thx.

+

Maybe una would say one last goodbye...

Anyways see yall around.

+

Totally not doing this just because una is in the game btw.

I really wish me and una were scum together here hahaha.

So.
"One of SS/FF is scum or someone trying to raise suspicions towards Una is scum" comes from these.
I think Chill made his last hurrah here, and tried to mask it as "I don't care".

[UnaBombaH]

That doesn't exactly narrow down your suspect list though, it's still between SS, FF, and me.

Where did I include you though?

But since you seem to be eager to include yourself, I'll humor you.

[UnaBombaH]

Can't wait to play scum with FF, gamma or alonzo...

Specifically lol.

..and this would fit scum!FF with the same thought In mind.

Why just me from that quote?

Because Gamma and Alonzo are town.
Jury is still out on you though.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Stranger_Servants

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Somewhat_Sharp

[UnaBombaH]

Anyway, VOTE: S_S

[UnaBombaH]

Hehah.
Sorry for the scumteam.
I think I might need another break because I suck so much.
But will be around for BooneyToonz whenever.