Unstable Mafia - Game Over

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Hey guys. Sorry to miss the start - I’ll be catching up later.

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VOTE: Dr Worm
im a n0 cop, targeted the Worm and hes red.

cool.

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VOTE: Dr Worm
im a n0 cop, targeted the Worm and hes red.

Overki11, what claim are you referring to?

Horrible entrance

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I’m so underwater it’s not funny but since I’ve mislynched two players here before I’m having a tough time choosing.

VOTE: good. Nice to see you again.

Nice pretending nothing has happened post.

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I WILL PICK THE BEST VT SO BE YOUR BEST THAKNS YOU!!

Please don't continue to be like this.

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Yeah I don't really trust demonlord, you can't snipe towncred.

Vedith... I still think he is scum. I can't get over the fact his ISO looks fake. Also D1 No Lynch isn't a strategy.

Almost50 townreads himself?! What a LAMIST. Currently he's NAI with a side of fries.

Dr Worm is a nuclear LAMIST.

-Don't like this. Seems like forced opinions.
-Vedith is Vedith. Ignore.
--Fluff
-Fluff

Yet I feel like it's trying to sound productive while failing to do so. Feels bad.

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I don't like this post either tbh

See I felt that, but then Lich seemed to take it so seriously. So I feel like Volxen was actually doing something good there.

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Vedith's claim wasn't just convenient; it was quite dumb as well.

Have you played with Vedith before?

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Some questions I feel the need to ask:

@Almost50: Why are you acting scummy on purpose?

@Creature: What even is a gimmick?

@Dr Worm: Why should I believe you're town if your entire ISO is basically "la la I'm town" and "I'm town coach and I'm looking for a VT"?

@0verki11: Why is Creature conf town to you?

Also pignash is starting to look a lot like town. Creature I lean town. 0verki11 is still a townread.

Yeah you're scum.

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also temporal, you are so scummy right now. you might get farther if you don't post instead of trying in a futile attempt

This comes from town.

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Even if you were town, that post is still anti-town.

Scum claim is scum claim.

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I said I

fooled him

again. I didn't even say it was "in a game of Mafia", let alone "town reading me when I'm scum". It's not

my

fault that

you

have comprehension problems or you jump to conclusions reading something that isn't there, and if you had tried to read beyond that you'd realize I explained I can joke with Creature & RCE (specifically) without them misunderstanding.

But that's not the

only

problem here. The real issue is you're comments seem to be aiming at playing down anyone's TR on anyone. You so not want

anyone

to trust

anyone else

. You know who does that? Scum do. They want the town to keep doubting each other and keep everyone in their lynching pool. You know how town go about TRs they feel unjustified> They

ask for the reasoning

. They don't go "I'm not pleased about this" and "you are scummy so stop posting" and "did he break his meta?" (on response to a TR stated on Creature).

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

And you may scream "OMGUS" as loud as you can, cuz I don't care how it looks to you nor how you want to call it.

Lolwut. I didn't feel that at all.

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it's me or him today

I hate this approach, but I feel reluctant to scumread it.

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VEDATH TELL EVERYBIDY DR WORM NOT INSANE CRAZY!!

fuck me.

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So answer my question. Your 137 was followed by 144 attributing the scumreading to others and your 155 saying it was joking and your 166 saying you werent shading Lich.

Those posts were not remotely in contradiction.

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Creature clearly didn't seem to believe Overkill's claim, and I was curious if it was because he was scumreading him, or if it was because he thought he was joking around. Of course, being that this is a bastard game, another possibility is that Overkill is a cop but not necessarily a sane cop, so there's that.

Who really thinks like that? Like there is only one remotely sensible possibility.

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Right just had dinner. Resuming.

RCENGINE YES IT IS how it WORKS!! I have ROLE PM says PM MOD DURING ANY PHASE WITH NAME OF PLAYER IF PLAYER HAS VANILLA ROLE THEY BECOME JACK OF TIRADES 1-SHOT UNLUNCHABLES 1-SHOT BULLETPUFF 1-SHOT TRACKER. I DIE NO MATTER TARGET RIGHT OR NOT!!

Lol. I'm almost inclined to test this and then lynch them when it turns out they're lying.

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Ahh is that what teacher meant? I think work is genuine but I thought teacher was hinting that work could be scum recruiter not that scum would have a recruiter to counter him.

You think he's a cult?

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Dunno what any of this even means.

+1

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Roster, Vedith, dt are all meh slots and demon is obvscum.

How could I possibly be a meh slot when I didn't even post? IDK, feels a bit like trying to embellish your scumhunting.

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RCE, Creature and Vedith want this wagon, so who am I to argue? This is NOT me denying responsibility for the flip, btw. I am just stating my reason for voting there, but it;s MY vote and MY responsibility.

Oh lord I hate this.

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TIME to CHECK IP ADRESSES!!

For once I am one with the worm. Wtf was that?

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I'm seeing a wagon on demonlord, gonna see if it's a good wagon since I don't exactly TR demonlord (mostly for lurking).

Demonlord's ISO mostly looks like reactions. Red demonlord implicates red 0verki11 (see 175 and 189)

Almost50, overkill, Teacher, Creature would be a strong town block, lean on lich. Worm doesn't matter, no one touches Volxen today though I suspect he could be scum.

Roster, Vedith, dt are all meh slots and demon is obvscum.

Here's the main catalyst for demonlord's lolwagon.

@RCEnigma: Any reasoning for demonlord's strong scumread? I see 296 and agree but would want some reasoning.

Woah, woah, woah! That changed fast! Against me! I feel that this just a scum lynch. Lynching the underdog.

Are you scum or are your voters scum? I can't tell from your phrasing. Either way you look scummy.

...what just happened here?

Who knows? demonlord seems to have responded to its own question that wasn't even directed at it.

@demonlord: Why are you answering your own questions?






Summary: demonlord is a viable lynch. Even Dr Worm's on the demonlord wagon (if maybe only because of Vedith). I'd still personally lynch DT, though DT is starting to town it up so my vote may shift to demonlord either way.

What an empty post.

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Weridy I was kinda sorta starting to townread demonlord before he got replaced. There's no logic to it, but somehow I felt town.

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I get the pocketing paranoia, but think we just analyze alike. This list near mimics mine, including on players I hadnt commented on as much (Almost). I think the day we start to read different is the day I will suspect you. On which note, the major difference in our reads is 0verki11. I dont think it is a day 1 candidate, but neither do I have it anywhere near a townblock. Want to sell me on that?

I've read some of teacher's posts in other games before which makes me question this, but I've been getting this vibe that he is so overly focused on meta-stuff that it's distracting from scumhunting. Don't like it.

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Volxen has slight scum equity but I will attack anyone that pushes his Lynch today. Fisticuffs.

Oh yeah, Lich is much scummier.

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You mean believing Over's claim? Yeah, I'm weirded about it too.

Yup.

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hot damn rosterfoster VIBING WITH ME TONIGHT

<3

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VOTE: TemporalLich

Done.

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Another P.S. I'm not fond of roster's catch up, but I'm willing to give him another chance. At least he's trying. Meanwhile pignash is nonexistent, and neither is volxen.

What didn't you like about my catchup. In all honesty I probably shouldn't have joined this game, but I think I've stabilised myself now. (hehe).

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RCEnigma - The hero we need and deserve. An info goldmine and team player.

Almost50 - Despite jokingly being scum, is very good at making content.

teacher - Coldly logical and good at info, low activity.

Vedith - Towns it up despite incredibly convenient and scummy roleclaim.

Creature - Middle of the road townie according to ISO.

pignash - ISO is dry of info, but acts towny

0verki11 - Scummy AF... until RCE said the interaction with me is TvT and I found info by 0verki11.

Rabbi Vole - Seemingly towny I guess.

volxen - Lurker

rosterfoster - Please try to seem like a team player.

Dr Worm - All talk, no action. Want to see a coaching on Vole.

DoubtingThomas - Scummy AF. Unlike 0verki11 I don't believe DT could be towny.

such emptiness.

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I say he needs to post more and he declares VLA.

Anyone up for a wagon here? I don't want to start a vanity wagon, but if I can find 2-3 others willing to make this a competing wagon I'm all for it.

I think this is town.

However, I do not agree.

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Scum: Lich

Scummy: Volxen, Teacher-ish

Null: Rest

Town: DT, A50, Rabb

Pedit: He's null. But a wagon there is not productive.

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You think Teacher Scum? Stop it you, you're going to make me blush!
Why is Volxen Scum though?

What's not productive about any wagon, let alone a null read?

-It's my weakest scum read, but I've not been feeling productivity from their posts, almost a kind of active-lurk.

-I was going back to find the post and then realised I said it was maybe good. I was just remembering my instincts. Essentially just 42 - but reading his few posts I'm not seeing anything which looks town-motivated, so I feel a bit better about this now.

-When the recipient of the wagon is V/LA and there's no real reason to lynch them.

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But why can’t they come from town?

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Or you know we could vote for actual scum instead.

*cough*lich*cough*

Can someone explain why they don’t find them scummy?

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Dr Worm this play sucks fuck you.
Also Pignash is fine if nonone wants to vote Lich

Ehhhh I don't like this post. Doesn't seem to be an accurate reflection of the game state (reasonable number of people scum-read lich) and I still don't like this Pignash wagon very much.

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How can you read TL's posts and not think he's scum? Also TL, how can you be confident about lynching DT but say he's starting to arc townie?

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Volxen is permissible for me, but TL is just a so much better lynch.

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Read lists with fake reasons? Attempt to look like scumhunting while not having real reasons.

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Let’s do something.

VOTE: Volxen

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VOTE: Teacher

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Can somebody (not Lich) actually explain why they scumread me?

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Still need to set a couple of hours aside and crunch through this game. But for now, I once again play the solo
VOTE: rosterfoster

No reasons in the original vote

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VOTE: rosterfoster

Again no reasons.

Like there just isn’t a case on me.

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I explained my scum read on you earlier. This has not changed (and your latest posts feel more of the same).

You do not have an explanation in your post. ‘I agree Roster is a good lynch’ is not an explanation.

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Which, by the way, feels like scum trying to jump on to a supposedly easy mislynch.

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But slightly fence sitting for when it turns out to be town.

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Ooops sorry about the pagetop

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Care to join me on teacher?

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Feels bad.

VOTE: Lich

Pretty please?

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Feels true. Sorry worm.

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Can somebody (not Lich) actually explain why they scumread me?

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Lich, I will give you that you are a lot townier now. The problem is, it seems so different from your game d1, i feel like it's more likely to come from a scum trying to up his game after being pushed to possibly be lynched d1. what do you think about that

How has he been townier? As far as I can tell it's the same old baseless posts.

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You wanna know why you're scum? Every single vote from you sucks. You are voting my strongest TRs and you are not giving reasons either. Your whole play since the game started smells. If I was a Vig I would have shot you last night.

I gave plenty of reasons yesterday, for them both. Why is Lich town to you? Cos if it's that scum don't give such baseless reads, I've got news for you.

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Vedith, who do you actually think is scum?

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Lol I do not know you in any way shape or form haha. I don't use discord. If you really don't believe me, consider that it would have been unethical for me to play in a newbie to start with if I was an alt.

VOTE: Teacher

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I probably have the stupidest reason to townread teacher

Which is?

And sorry, but in what way am I flailing?

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you wot? We're all monkeys anyway.

Pedit: tbf, it was Vedith that brought it up.

Pedit2: I'll get to that.

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765 is the only one I can possible see construed in that way. But was I wrong about no reasons?

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If you want an example, that question can be one.

So when people call me scum should I just not try to defend myself?

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(your answer was wrong btw roster but more on this later)

Aw shucks

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But newsflash: None of them were flailing. Which you will discover when I flip town.

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Vedith give it a rest. He's effectively claiming masons.

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But your reason isn't based on anything to do with their play.

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fuck it roster can pocket me
he's the one making any sense
gg

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Vedith, he doesn't actually have any doubt about Pignash town. Read the posts.

Also don't shitpost, I like you better when you're not.

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DT You're town. What do you think about Creature? He's kind of been just saying shit and not particularly contributing, but I'm not feeling scum from it for some reason.

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Ongoing games. Apart from that, none.

Pedit: J

Also can we all just appreciate the TL is scum.

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Vedith what the fuck

You sure you aren't a modkill supersaint?

So nothing about the conversation around me, odd since I seem to be his top scum read.

Pedit: Lich, Teacher, and obviously I'm missing one. (and y'know I may be wrong)

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You can defend yourself, but "how am I flailing?" looks like a weird defense.

Perhaps since I'm being called out on it, I kinda wanna know why?

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Have you met shitposting Vedith?

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I find you funnier now than usual. Maybe I'm just mellowing.

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and you expect me to search my previous games just to copypaste whatever I said last time?

Oh look he's flailing.

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How is Lich so out of touch with this game?

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I'm not going to say I have a inno on Creature but my role pm makes no sense if he's Scum here.
No further questions though.

Ok so can we get back to teacher/Lich pls thx.

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yeah it's best to treat his shitposts as shitposts rn TL

You should have kept quiet. He might've claimed scum.

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Vedith you claim scum in every post.

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Lich. Through lack of humour. And I'm not entirely serious.

Pedit: Yeah sure.

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You can claim scum though.

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???

You can claim scum though.

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So teacher you effectively directed overkill to Vedith. Did you think he was investigating Lich?

I’m kind of inclined to believe this.

VOTE: Lich

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DT has very good reason to suspect that I’m town, but it would be antitown for him to say more, even to save me I think. I am also not going to say any more, even if you put me to L-1. You might disagree DT, and I probably trust your judgement on this more than mine.

So if you do decide to lynch me, just know that you should be lynching TL tomorrow. Why do people townread him? There is also no way on this earth that is an all town wagon. It formed so badly - read the posts.

I’m inclined to believe that Vedith and Teacher are town, DT is also town. If I believe the mason claims then that leaves A50, Worm, Lich, creature, Overkill. I’ve been thinking Overkill is town, so we’re left with those 4. Worm might actually be scum too - I think it was A50 that mentioned this possible of informed scum. I’m not sure a buddy would have said that as it’s something not so obvious to bring in, so that would give Lich/Worm/Creature scumteam. Lich is the obvious scum here so I can look for connections from his posts. Give me a moment.

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RCEnigma
Almost50
teacher
Vedith
Creature
pignash
0verki11
Rabbi Vole
volxen
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Dr Worm
DoubtingThomas

Scumreading one partner but conveniently putting them as the second bottom, when DT had done nothing scummy but (particularly from the ultra-serious perspective of Lich) Dr Worm seemed to be trying to confuse the town with this VT stuff.

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Rabbi Vole (confirmed town, see 671 and 683)
RCEnigma
teacher
Almost50
Vedith
pignash (counting his Informed Townie or Mason claim with Rabbi Vole as true)

--Green Line--

Creature
volxen (zeroing out reads for safety reasons)
Dr Worm (I'd rather see a coaching than a lynching. Especially considering a successful coaching is a 100% clear)
0verki11

--Red Line--

DoubtingThomas (starting to act towny)
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Again trying to null-read both partners in order to avoid seeming to town-read without reason, but trying to focus towards a mislynch.

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VOTE: Almost50

Big 180 on A50, like he saw the hammer and is trying to see if this mislynch can be pushed. I reckon this puts TL/A50 together as unlikely.

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Almost50 (keeping the town train rolling)
Rabbi Vole (both green flips SRed you, potential deepwolf but I think claiming Best Friends or Masons as scumbuddies is an obvious blunder)
DoubtingThomas (Towny player, though your D2 game is abnormally strong from someone who thinks my D1 game is abnormally weak, vindicated by the DT/RF interaction)

--Green Line--

pignash (Claimed Best Friends or Masons with Vole, but no news is bad news)
Vedith (NAIread him for memeing, taking out the shitposts he's a good asset to town, even with the shitposts he's still townlean. Pressure voting might be necessary to get a claim that's not a fakeclaim for the sake of memeing though)
Creature (Townread by both the first cycle green flips, so townreading him more, but flailing and bad casing drops his read somewhat. Neutral-townlean)
teacher (Starting to weird me out, cop claimer)
Dr Worm (YOUR POSTS are NOT UNDERGRANDABLE!!)
0verki11 (No news is bad news, a readlist is nice though)

--Red Line--

rosterfoster (DT/RF interaction makes you look even scummier, RF)

Again, he has never voted for the two partners and keeps trying to put them above a lynch, so avoid pressure on them. This time moving overkill down to buffer. The 'dropping' on creature is somewhat bizzare - how do the flips green creature? The flailing stuff is midly accurate, but he's using an excuse to place creature higher than he deserves to be.

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Ok then - I trust your judgement.

I'm a town interrogator. Basically I have a mod-approved alt account and I can choose someone to talk to at night, through this account (so it could be anonymous if I want it to, but in practice scum would probably be able to look at posting times and language and so have a pretty decent idea of who I am). I choose DT last night. IF you want proof, see viewtopic.php?p=10796162#p10796162

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Sure.

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I was going to target creature but if he’s scum it won’t really be as effective now. Probably wouldn’t have been able to pull off faking anyway.

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Oh wow. Maybe you get the password to the account :O

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See that post I linked to in my claim? The letter J was kind of a code with DT so I could confirm myself.

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Vedith, teacher did not say anything about receiving 2 results (in fact, as I understand he doesn’t receive results), so I’m not sure why this confirms scum in you and A50.

A50, I’m gonna need more than that.

Pedit: Oh. Give me a minute.

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DT’s info was that I interrogated him.

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Vedith, he would definitely get two results if teacher directed on you?

I’m my own person. I’ve not got anything I’m not sharing.

Pedit: K. So there’s definitely at least one scum in the three of you.

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I kind of fucked up the code - I was going to start my first post with J, (I literally chose a letter on random.org), but we had this discussion that it kind of doesn’t really matter so I didn’t. But then DT presumably had some doubts so asked me my favourite letter so I wrote this. There’s another soft too, I’ll go get it

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Vedith, other possibility is teacher is lying.

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What do you think about Creature?

We said that this would indicate my target tonight (this exact wording). At that point I had asked mod to go on creature, but I have changed it to Vedith for now at least.

Pedit: Ah well. I know it only proves that me and DT had private conversation last night, obviously it wouldn't be too odd for this to be a scum role also (I also had this discussion with DT last night - conclusion was it's 50/50 on what the instinct would be).

PPedit: Some roles are harder than others. I might go test something.

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I tried something similar, and I’m afraid I got exactly the same.

I think Vedith’s felling the truth, and teacher’s lying. Quite possibly the mafia have an ability to redirect you as the cop, and they are claiming this part.

VOTE: Teacher

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How my role would interact with yours. I wasn’t really interested in the answer, but just to see if hypotheticals could work.

Vedith, it only means there’s scum in you and A50 if you believe teacher.

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With a mirror (including saying what it does).

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So you agree there's Scum in me and you 100% then as I'm saying mod answered.

Yes but this is false.

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A50’s post is entirely accurate.

I’ll look up what that is. They also claimed some other information though so it’s possible there’s more to it.

Pedit: I wait with baited breath

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Vedith I think you’re TOWN but wrong about A50.

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Oh.

VOTE: Lich

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That can’t speculate on hypotheticals, yeas.

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Ok, what about TL’s play means this can’t come from scum? I’ve looked through your ISO and don’t see it.

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They all check out now though. Like all the roles must exist, unless all 3 are scum together. Which would be cute.

Vote Lich.

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I'm a Town Medium, and this means I can talk to the Townies that have died during the night.

So you've just talked to Volxen so far?

I don't know if I'm allowed to out the name. There was some warnings about modkills in my role pm so I don't want to stray too far, but it's just another account created solely for the purpose of this game.

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It doesn’t say it, but I want to check with mod that it’s ok first. Obviously I’m modkilled if I misuse the account, but also possibly if I’m replaced, which surprised me. Might have something to do with still having the password to the account, but it is possible to change that.

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But you’ve got like a private thread with him? And it’s only open during night, or during day also?

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Mod said it’s ok - Mysterious Voice is the name.

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VOTE: Creature

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Neither of us mentioned you in interrogator PT last night.

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What do you mean by controlling his account? Surely you’re not making posts for him?

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confirming prein for unstable

This was a post by the mod? Takes unstable to another level lol.

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I feel that’s a town claim by Overkill.

Teacher, I understand that this is not necessarily a town role - DT said he would think it’s roughly 50/50 in our PT last night so I was pleasantly surprised by the amount of trust in me.

I can see the case for Rabii scum. I suspect the puppet dies if Rabii dies, although saying that the puppet has no role pm makes me think that lunching the puppet would not give us any more information, so we must lynch Rabii instead if we’re testing that.

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Yeah. I know. It actually makes sense - pignash suddenly posting out of the blue after 3 years offsite with a prein for unstable.

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It makes sense for me that scum might have this double-vote power, since RCE was a secret doublevoter.

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[unovote][/unvote]

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UNVOTE:

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I claimed doc in pt and u think that claim is a town claim? How

I thought it might be similar to the cop thing. (Or that you were lying so I’d NK you).

Since you seem to be claiming normal doctor, he’s scum.

VOTE: Overki11

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Or you know, maybe they thought there wasn’t a doctor?

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DT claimed doctor to me last night. There’s no way he’s scum IMO.

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VOTE: Rabii

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He’s not a doc.

I actually believe the other claim. Maybe I’m just being stupid, but when I saw that claim I felt it was from town but a lie at the same time.

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A50/Teacher/Vedith tell me if I’m being stupid.

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alright i might as well full claim, (was hoping that this was a no doc setup) im town tough guy, if killed by factional kill I surive until EoD. Was trying to bait a kill on me. glgl sorry for being shit.

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I basically guessed that. I’m wlllijg to bet though that lynching pig bash doesn’t get us a flip

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As we’ve been flipped role pm’s and pignash doesn’t have one.

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Yeah, but lynch pignash will not tell us if you’re town, since I bet we’ll just be told puppet.

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I need one of the 3 (to my eyes) conf town to tell me I’m not insane about overki11 though.

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Way behind me

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Yeah, but lynch pignash will not tell us if you’re town, since I bet we’ll just be told puppet.

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I think I want to lynch Rabii.

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‘Pignash, puppet, was lynched D2’

Pignash doesn’t have an alignment as not a person? Makes sense to me. I take it mod can’t comment on that?

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^That is another reason. (A50’s post)

What claims Creature?

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A 4 player scumteam where one of them is someone with a double slot seems most plausible to me to compensate the town doublevoter

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But surely it can flip as a puppet, and nothing else Rabbi?

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The cop claims all check out. Literally the only way that is scum is if scumteam if A50/Vedith/Teacher.

That would be scumplay of the century if they did that.

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So basically it's a 4 player scumteam that may autowin 9p LyLo?

A 3 person scumteam with 4 slots. Probably wasn’t very clear about that.

Pedit: nvm

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Also Vedith isn’t a cop. We just got exceptionally lucky that teacher targeted him.

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And the cop director isn’t a cop. So really there’s one cop which is underpowered because thy don’t actually control their action.

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Teacher sends the action, which is who A50 checks and gets results on.

A50 got 2 results because Teacher targeted Vedith, who mirrored the action to Teacher but also kept it himself.

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No, unless I’m wrong about something.

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My impression was that Teacher didn’t get results either (only you) but at least I’m right about everything else.

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...what just happened here?

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But yeah we all know now.

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A50 is saying the ‘slot’ is town, but you are not (for cop reports and stuff). It’s a strong scumteam to counteract the town power.

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Functionally it’s no different to what I said, expect that perhaps Pignash flips town.

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Yeah basically I think. But also Godfather-on-death (so in the flavour he has been 'captured' by Rabbi).

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I think you’re mixing mechanics and flavour. It’s ‘captured’ being a reason for death Miller godfather. Effectively scum.

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It’s not a hammer

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Assuming cops are gonna start dying like flies always cop into {me, creature, worm}. if we're in a situation where I'm mechtown and pignash is an unknown we can lynch him to test podoboq's madness later anyway

Y'all do realise that Rabbi is trying to obfuscate the game with this nonsense. This kind of post is why he's scum.

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I don't believe that post from A50 was accurate.

DT is 100% town. He claimed doctor to me in the interrogator PT last night, and the anger when I didn't CC for him only comes from town I think.

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I reckon we have a pretty solid townblock of Teacher/Vedith/DT/Roster. I'm almost certain that Overki11 is town for the way he retracted, and Lich has been going more on my town side lately, although I'm not as sure about this as others. In any case, that leaves Stefan and Creature as last scums.

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So who do you think is the other scum Stefan?

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Yeah I understand that. Best play for town you is to lynch creature.

But what about the doc claim stuff though? Do you think mafia would claim doc in interrogator PT with me?

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Ok. This can wait till tomorrow. I do want everyone to post though, so teacher can make his decision about claim result.

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Me and Vedith had mild disappointment that we only had 1 PT last night.

@Stefan - apologies, I targetted Vedith yesterday and DT the day before. I think I wrote that wrong earlier.

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Pretty sure both me and Roosters hidden account said your name last night.

Can confirm this.

I was thinking it's maybe because I submit my action during the day, so I can't get roleblocked etc. so maybe it doesn't apply to your action.

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Lich, any dead players say your Creature last night?

I don't understand how he got 4 the first night though.

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We didn’t say it in our PT, so unless all the scum said it in their PT then I don’t see how he could have gotten 4.

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(My PT with DT)

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Which tbh is more likely if he’s scum. And then tonight we said it in our PT (me+you) which would imply that only we said it. Now maybe Creature realises this might implicate him and reduces the result by 2.

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Yeah but it might actually be his role (although what use I see for it as scum is minimal. Perhaps visits?) and didn’t think to change the results.

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Until today.

IDK

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VOTE: Creature

I think this is pretty clear now. Especially if Creature is saying night actions don't add to it.

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Two scum have died, makes perfect sense.

It doesn't because there was no mention of you in my PT N1 but we both did N2.

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See I'm not even particularly doubting that you got 4 pings N1. I just think that's way more likely to happen if you're scum.

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Quoting someone who said your name?

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Sending action in scum chat in third person?

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'typed' is quite a vague term. It's something you could probably ask the mod tbf.

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So you think quoting would count?

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It was reasonably obvious that you wouldn’t get results. I agree that we should be looking at DT seriously as a possibility - Stefan has also been seeming more townie recently.

I’ll UNVOTE: to give you some peace of mind.

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VOTE: Creature

I think we’re ready now.

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Ah shit I'm getting End-of-Rabbi vibes from DT. There almost seems to be some deliberate misinformation coming from him (e.g. Vig).

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But I almost think lynching creature gives us more information. DT - non-cosec nights means not same person twice in a row, right? Rather than effectively odd nights/even nights only depending on whether you targeted night 1.

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If I was scum you would have died night 1.

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Cos Doc is quite a powerful role (remember it's even more powerful on MS meta which I what I thought you meant). Scum me kills you and claims interrogator with buddy N1.

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Actually that's true. You could easily have just let me die, which would have made more sense for everyone (and scum you claims you thought interrogator was probably scum, and conveniently leaves out the fact you told me you were doc as I wasn't going to say it in thread)

Ok. I think maybe there was actual confusion with you. I'm still for teacher.

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*creature

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Stefan there's no way he's scum. Scum doesn't intervene on my Lynch yesterday (unless we're partners, but you really think scum me pushes Rabbi like I did?)

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the crystal clear person

It rhymes with creature.

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i think you should claim

I was happy to eat the Lynch because claiming kind of outed DT as doctor. I feel like scum DT just stays silent there.

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Yeah I think it’s hard to see this because you weren’t playing at the time, but I’m almost certain I would’ve been lynched without that post - and I would not have outed DT because I townread him. I think he knew that, so it doesn’t make any sense for scum to not just let that mislynch happen.

I know there’s this WIFOM, but people didn’t trust me at all so I don’t think having me onside would have been particularly useful anyway.

So I don’t think you can say DT is scum unless I’m scum, and I’m not scum (and I feel like most people agree with that) so I really really doubt that came from scum.

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VOTE: Overki11

Only thing is I felt the retraction yesterday was townie, but maybe it was just competent scum.

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DT is not scum, but DT scum with Overki11 is even less likely.

@Vedith we could do with your opinion here.

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So your scumteam atm is Stefan/Overki11?

I could get behind that.

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Yeah see that's my problem too. Lich's role seems townie, I do not see a planet on which DT is scum, so it's creature/Stefan for the last one.

But going through Overki11 is probably the best route regardless.

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I think we just need to hammer Overki11

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Not sure the 9 days will give us anything new, based on events of the past few days.

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Ah shit. Well creature is lynch for tomorrow I think.

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DT you need to fullclaim your ability.

2 mentions of Creature is odd since we only mentioned him once.

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If you’re actually doctor ther’s no point in not doing so no teacher died.

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I'm up for No-lynching, but first I want DT to claim his role in full and every single action.

Stefan has made me think he's town, so I'm having serious paranoia about my DT read.

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Ah well that’s shit. Did you know that Teacher would not get A59’s results on A50’s death?

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Also not hammering, ftr, since I’m not technically clear.

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Btw I think that means that if DT isn’t scum team is Creature/Stefan.

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I’m not sure how ridiculous that is, tbh. Last Hail Mary to push for a mislynch? Of course the problem is that Stefan basically convinced me he was town last night so I can’t see it from that perspective.

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The not hammering proves that Creature and Lich, and you and Lich is not the scumteam, but you and Creature is possible.

I feel that maybe DT is scum but IDK if I’m more comfortable lynching Creature first or not.