Unstable Mafia - Game Over

[teacher]

I’m so underwater it’s not funny but since I’ve mislynched two players here before I’m having a tough time choosing.

VOTE: good. Nice to see you again.

[teacher]

No more townreads for A50 he's reached his quota.

I’m doing my catchup read and this straight killed me. Missed you RCE.

[teacher]

Im caught up and feeling like I missed the roid rage in the early game. Whats up with the aggression? I didnt see much basis for it, or for some of the shenanigans. Do any participants want to share their thoughts?

[teacher]

nah mate. I did him like I did you our game. I think I'll be able to read him with time. Whats your case?

[teacher]

0verki11 - youre playing this game at a much different meta than we had about two months ago. Want to talk about the change?

[teacher]

0verki11 - youre playing this game at a much different meta than we had about two months ago. Want to talk about the change?

He could be telling the truth and you're just not buying it, idk.

1. Youre not 0verki11. If a question is directed, kindly let the target answer it.

2. Its not just the content, its the attitude and approach. Its a different player, and I want it to talk about what it has learned/purposefully changed.

[teacher]

Vedith's claim of n0 Watcher looks like it was made up on the spot to discredit Overkill's n0 Cop claim. Not only am I not inclined to believe Vedith, I think Vedith is scum trying to paint Overkill in a bad light. Overkill would be a viable wagon if Vedith's roleclaim turns out to be true.

Why are you taking Overkills claim at face value? I like that Vedith discredited it. It shouldn't be credible in the first place.

Im melding with RCE again, and willing to run with that.

I also think Lich is town. I can see some consistency in their position on 0verki11, especially with how I think he thinks about the game more generally. I dont think there were n0 actions (hence the meld with RCE), but I think I get what Lich is saying and dont think it is the contradiction the rest of you do (cf. creature's 62).

Im grokking creature, but unlike many have never felt comfortable reading their playstyle.

Demonlord's ISO is oddly buddy to 0verki11. Enough for a slight scum tinge to the nullread, unless you want to explain?

can't play with this little shit in the game

VOTE: almost50

it's me or him today

Honestly, stop this. I have no good sense of your alignment, but the thread leading up to this post made the gameroom slightly toxic regardless. Keep it civil regardless of personality clashes, please? Also, is it weird to anyone that multiple players have voted/bolded everyone? Havent seen that before.

Worm -- ok, youre a coach. Now also play the game.

VOTE: Dr Worm

My money is on there's no way in hell Vedith is a n0 watcher.

You believe Overkill?

I take it you don't necessarily believe Overkill's claim? If you don't think it's a legitimate claim, do you believe that he is scum or just trolling town?

@Volxen - what were you trying to do with this post? Are you l/a weekends generally?
@Creature - what didnt you like about it?

[teacher]

at worst we'd have an IC out of it.

Im new to the bastard side of things, but I could see a scum recruiter too. Part of why Im not engaging in his game, but trying to get Worm engaged in ours.

[teacher]

at worst we'd have an IC out of it.

Im new to the bastard side of things, but I could see a scum recruiter too. Part of why Im not engaging in his game, but trying to get Worm engaged in ours.

That outs himself does it not? He's claimed death on recruitment.

Valid, forgot worm's rolecard would (likely?) flip.

[teacher]

i am not. pretty sure i made my scum read of lich pretty clear before

ummmmmm...No? You noted others were scumreading him, but never stated one yourself, I think.

Exhibit 3: Shading TemporaLich? I am trying to cheer the kid up as people ard hard scum reading him already. How is that shading in your opinion?

In fact this is your last post on Lich - questioning A50's statement you were shading him. I take it you now agree you were shading him?

[teacher]

also temporal, you are so scummy right now. you might get farther if you don't post instead of trying in a futile attempt

people just don't fucking read the fucking game

So answer my question. Your 137 was followed by 144 attributing the scumreading to others and your 155 saying it was joking and your 166 saying you werent shading Lich.

So which is it. Should I go by 137 or 155 and 166? Are you saying you were shading Lich? Then why did you deny it? I am just confused.

[teacher]

player C scum reads me for apparently not scum reading temporal

I assume in this case I am player C? If so, then maybe you need to read the game. I wasnt scumreading you.

I have no good sense of your alignment,

[teacher]

i scum read lich. the dude was so scummy i had the urge to joke and tell him to stop posting. how is that shading?

I think what confused me is that we have different meanings to shading. Have a good night/day whichever applies.

[teacher]

rosterfoster?

[teacher]

apologies, mobile posting. Just suggesting a prod. My thanks

[teacher]

Sorry to be a nudge, but will there be a prod?

[teacher]

Ah, my thanks and apologies. Appreciate having it called out.

[teacher]

Almost50, overkill, Teacher, Creature would be a strong town block, lean on lich. Worm doesn't matter, no one touches Volxen today though I suspect he could be scum.

Roster, Vedith, dt are all meh slots and demon is obvscum.

I get the pocketing paranoia, but think we just analyze alike. This list near mimics mine, including on players I hadnt commented on as much (Almost). I think the day we start to read different is the day I will suspect you. On which note, the major difference in our reads is 0verki11. I dont think it is a day 1 candidate, but neither do I have it anywhere near a townblock. Want to sell me on that?

[teacher]

No, I meant you were jumping on me because you're scum.

Pignash, what are you talking about?

Demonlord, I meant that you probably meant that you were the one being jumped on.

...what just happened here?

TIME to CHECK IP ADRESSES!!

Since this interaction has been excessively commented on, and I find it strikingly odd, can pignash and Demonlord please speak on it?

[teacher]

Ahh is that what teacher meant? I think work is genuine but I thought teacher was hinting that work could be scum recruiter not that scum would have a recruiter to counter him.

You read me right. Regardless I think that this is a bastard game where taking the mechanics direct is more likely to backfire. Almost;s 210 spoke my thoughts better than I could. On which point.....

DR WORM WILL DIE SOON!! not WASTING BRAIN on ALINGMINTS!!

I dont get this unwillingness to read at all. OK youre a coach. But nobody's playing your game, and you probably have a N1 pass. So (a) why do you think you will die soon? and (b) why wouldnt you try to read the game to find the VT?

[teacher]

VOTE: DemonLord L-2

[teacher]

I was treating it as a category not as a slot.

[teacher]

Prodge til tonight. I can do pignash too. I’d love to know why I’m scummiest.

[teacher]

-It's my weakest scum read, but I've not been feeling productivity from their posts, almost a kind of active-lurk.

This is a fair criticism of me. I’m overworked right now and didn’t expect it to fill so fast. I’m reading but not contributing not analyzing as much as I want to.

[teacher]

VOTE: pignash

While I have been inactive due to reallife, I have been skimming the thread. I have to be honest, it feels stagnant. My reads havent changed much since 333, despite more than 8 more pages being added. I feel like lots of players arent following up on their own questions, and that people are just in their tunnels not trying to get broader board reads. Im going to read through again on a laptop now to see if I missed something, but I dont like how the game feels generally.

[teacher]

@Vedith - I like your ISO, but Im (not surprisingly) not crazy about your read on me. Can you tell me why Im scum?

[teacher]

So since there is no effort to break that town block up it makes sense to me that there would be a deep wolf within that grouping.

But see 454 and 540. I think there is an effort to break it up somewhat. Nobody pushed either player for their reasoning behind the reads, and I had asked already.

[teacher]

DR WORM WILL DIE SOON!! not WASTING BRAIN on ALINGMINTS!!

I dont get this unwillingness to read at all. OK youre a coach. But nobody's playing your game, and you probably have a N1 pass. So (a) why do you think you will die soon? and (b) why wouldnt you try to read the game to find the VT?

WHY you THINK there"s ONLY ONE VT??

I answered your question - I dont think that, but was using it as a category noun like "scum" singular refers to multiple players. WHY WONT YOU ANSWER MINE?

[teacher]

which slots are you feeling the games revolving around and you're not super engaged with/interested in?

I know this isnt to me, but the last one was, and RCE captured my own feelings pretty well.

I feel like the game RN is centering on 0verki11, Litch, and DT - none of whom I have strong vibes on and so none of whom I can make much of the interactions.....

[teacher]

wagoning vla town

what makes the piggy town?

[teacher]

Share reads then please.

[teacher]

DR WORM"S HEART says TREACHER and RCENGINE are BAD!!

hey look it’s a read! Who is GOOD, worm?

[teacher]

I'm not a VT and I have information that makes pignash very likely to be town aligned.

Vague informed claims dont work for me either. I re-read pignash's ISO and dont see anything, so at least share why pignash in particular is the subject of your info?

[teacher]

Can someone take the time to do an actual lich case? I just dont see it. And I dont want the one sentence tunnels, but tell me a specific post that shows scum motivation? All I remember is the early claim shenanigans and it picking up steam way to easy. I think Lich's response to the claims was organic, if silly, and I can see his own mentality thoughout.

I am feeling very uninspired by this gamestate. After re-ISOing, I am still happy with my townblock, but nullreading way too many slots for a pagecount in the 20s. I am off rabbi and pignash for the time being, so willing to pressure another slot I havent felt much on. VOTE: Roster[/vote[/

[teacher]

EBWOP

Can someone take the time to do an actual lich case? I just dont see it. And I dont want the one sentence tunnels, but tell me a specific post that shows scum motivation? All I remember is the early claim shenanigans and it picking up steam way to easy. I think Lich's response to the claims was organic, if silly, and I can see his own mentality thoughout.

I am feeling very uninspired by this gamestate. After re-ISOing, I am still happy with my townblock, but nullreading way too many slots for a pagecount in the 20s. I am off rabbi and pignash for the time being, so willing to pressure another slot I havent felt much on. VOTE: Roster

[teacher]

RCE, Almost, creature, doubting Thomas, rabbi, pig ash, Overki11 are not getting votes from me today.
Lich only gets a hammer at deadline if needed.
I’m fine going just about anywhere else.
VOTE: volxen

[teacher]

^ill beetle juice it this time. I still haven’t seen an answer to my question. And since both times you’ve noted multiple players doing it, why is mine in particular scummy?

This game just isn’t advancing for me. I’ve gotten my reads and they are remaining just about constant. We need a flip.

[teacher]

This entire post has been redacted for referring to an ongoing game.

[teacher]

Pedit - or that.

[teacher]

For the two posts above you. Perhaps he auto dies day 1. Perhaps other players mechanics need it.

I don’t completely hate the play, I just don’t like it either.

[teacher]

My fault entirely. And my apologies.

if it is permissible to redact, please do. I am sorry - it was spur of the moment and I should have thought about it.

[teacher]

Worm I’ll let The mod handle my error as he deems fit. I’m not playing your game. Good luck.

[teacher]

@746im inclined to think RCE was killed less for his reads than how he was read. Almost50 disease if you will.

I doubt it was an all town wagon d1. Since I know my alignment, we have the mason claims, and now know RCE was the shadow, I agree roster is looking like a good target but I want to get more out of the day so am holding my vote.

I reread some of my abundant nulls. @Vedith- you still haven’t explained why you found me scummy.

[teacher]

@Vedith - I like your ISO, but Im (not surprisingly) not crazy about your read on me. Can you tell me why Im scum?

Vedith, FYI. (Among others). What’s the supposed tell? It’s off.

[teacher]

Also, it wasn’t a no caring excuse. I didn’t and don’t have strong scum tingles this game. I like my townreads and was functionally sheeping RCE who I could reliably read as town. It was an ok day one lynch.

[teacher]

@Vedith - I like your ISO, but Im (not surprisingly) not crazy about your read on me. Can you tell me why Im scum?

Vedith, FYI. (Among others). What’s the supposed tell? It’s off.

I don't get what you're saying here?

I was linking one of the several places I had asked for your read before.

Ok so you scumread me on a “tell” but have now changed your mind. What was it?

[teacher]

The Dunn kill was odd though and I'm surprised that Pignash or Rabbi wasn't killed.

One death kind of confirms the other, right? So why would scum kill it rather than have town which clearly doubts the slots do their dirty work. I don’t get the surprise at all.

[teacher]

pedit: teacher where are you at? did anything at eod1 impress you?

Not really. Mostly I knew RCE was the likely nk since he was driving the game. The fact he was killed suggests a lack of healers or a strongman since it seemed like an obvious target to me.

[teacher]

@rooster:
767 complains about unexplained votes. But it skips right over my explanation in 752, and your own unexplained vote in 753. What’s up w that?

[teacher]

I’m at L-1 so going to do a partial claim to avoid lolhammer.

I am informed at least one of our PRs has an unknown role modifier of fake. I am the real one.

[teacher]

If pressed with intent I can explain the exact role and the mechanics of it, but I’d rather not. It is better for there to be some ambiguity.

[teacher]

Also I’m pretty sure Vedith is town so Rosterfoster and the two “masons” have been on two straight mislynches.

VOTE: Roster

[teacher]

I think you’re town almost, and since I’m offline during the school day:

I am a rookie cop. I select my investigative target. The town fake cop - who thinks they are just a cop - gets my result instead of theirs.

I investigated Vedith, which is why my first post of the day had “reread” next to @Vedith.

[teacher]

If the fake cop dies I get promoted and get my own results.

[teacher]

Based on Vediths posting, I’m also interested in 0verki11, who I had assumed from the early claim might be cop.

[teacher]

UNVOTE:
I'm not really sure how a fake cop works. I'm also not sure how I'm meant to parse there being two cops in this setup given pignash and I are a thing. Explain it for me while I'm busy?

The fake cop doesn’t know I exist. They think they are just a town cop. They think they submit an investigation target and get a result.

I on the other hand know the fake cop exists. I know I submit an investigation target, and the fake cop gets my result instead of theirs.

I thought 0verki11 was the “fake” cop from the early claim. I thought it would investigate lich. This when it reported lich was town, I immediately followed up and posted my Vedith town read.

What don’t you get?

[teacher]

I don’t have one. I’m mobile limited so would have to ISO you again at a desktop tonight. I haven’t liked your pushes - neither understood them nor other targets, but still had a town tinge to my null.

[teacher]

Not *their targets

[teacher]

A50 I asked the mod that before game.
1. If fake cop dies, I graduate to cop getting my own results.
2. If I die, fake cop stays fake and doesn’t get results.

Of course keep in mind that it’s bastard.
@Vedith, I wonder whether the mirror would be for me or for the fake cop that I effectively redirect - either way should have the same result tho.

[teacher]

Since I’m claimed, anyone want to suggest targets before the hammer falls.

@almost I’ve been on mobile for the last two days. Did you explain why you kept saying amnesiac anywhere?

[teacher]

Worm, any contributions or insight you want to make?

[teacher]

And why would you assume that your puppet is town?

[teacher]

The volume of creature references, if true, makes me think it was in a conversation with him not about him.

[teacher]

@almost - you want me to put my check now? While the PoE is small on claims doesn’t that just let scum know whether they need to kill or block me?

[teacher]

I’m fairly sure from the lack of a hammer as game has swung to pretty town places that creature is scum. But I think there is more to get out of this day from the lurking community.

[teacher]

Sounds good. Also I checked everything and I did not mention you at all.

[teacher]

True. But I’m planning on hinting it or already have. I also had your hesitance and thiughts when I went back to see the D1 wagon in light of all the claims. I want this to last til tomorrow RL when I can do some analysis.

[teacher]

I agree on Roster not being the lynch and targeting Vedith. But there’s nothing to say interrogator is town aligned. And thank you for the unvote. And for the summary.

[teacher]

Volxen has said nothing so far.

Oddly this makes me believe your claim solidly.

How is Vedith in your PoE?

How is Vole not? With the swing and bastardization, I could see 9-4 being a legit thing with a scum puppeteer.

[teacher]

0verki11 want to react About y other claim or provide reads or say who you protected yesterday and why?

[teacher]

VOTE: unvote

[teacher]

Double scum bus/distance play?

[teacher]

Rereading the early game with respect to Lich has creature-0verkill-Rabbi-Pignash making ALOT of sense.

Of all the claims, creatures is the most useless. But he’s also the most Townie of that crew, while worm has done effectively nothing and is on the border of replacement as they try to avoid attention.

I can townlock A50 and Vedith, and am very comfortable with DT, rooster, and Lich.

My preferred lynch is NOT Rabbi - I think it is the scummiest slot and claim with a known town doublevoter, but a mislynch there loses the game on the assumption that day 3 would ordinarily be lylo. I think I investigate Overkill and we lynch between creature and worm.

Given all the town power (Vedith is an auto-vig, an investatice, a doc etc), I could definitely see worm as a scum!coach who creates superscum that would be treated like an innocent child based on a bastard flip of worm.

[teacher]

UNVOTE: DrWorm
id like this out of lolhammer range if at all possibile

[teacher]

Due to it being 9pm and I dont have much time ill give you this
Towncore: Pignash, Rabbi, Creature, Worm (my N0)
Probably town: Lich (as much as I hate to admit it) A50, DT
Scum: The rest

You know what, I want this to eat rope. Now.

Note the sudden unexplained reversal after having double Towned me on day 2. Not the caught claim lie. Note that the new claim seems designed to let him survive just one more day.

I think this is caught scum whose power is important to have at night.

[teacher]

Intent to L-1 in appr 12 hrs.

Almost - if this goes through, what are your thoughts? I’m inclined To visit Rabbi.

[teacher]

beetle.

[teacher]

Ok. VOTE: Rabbi

[teacher]

OK

[teacher]

Whichever one of Rabbi or 0verki11 we don’t lynch.

[teacher]

Stefan how was your overnight reading?

[teacher]

I’m going to sit on my results for a bit.

[teacher]

Everyone should reread pages 15 through 18 and find lich the conftown alt wagon to the Rabbi/demonlord slot pushed to change momentum.

[teacher]

And another think I want to ask right away:

Teacher, there was some confusion about your role day 2. You can confirm that you are sane and not naive right?

Kindly show me where day 2 there was either sanity or naivity confusion.

[teacher]

The reread on the shift in push made me more interested in Creature actually.

[teacher]

And thanks for the naive question. Yea, so far as I know I am a rookie cop who graduated last night when Almost was targeted.

[teacher]

Fascinating. Please tell me more.

@V want to say who you chatted w?

Creature -

[teacher]

D2 claims and request. I didn’t think about the mirror right - I thought Vedith might have been able to open a chat himself, but instead it reflects back on the actor

I do think scumdoc is very much possible given Vediths role. In fact I’m surprised A50 died since scum knew I’d still get my result.

I’m still waiting for 0verki11 to post.

The creature was a mobile error sending before finishing. I wanted to know how many times his name was typed.

[teacher]

(I know it must be at least a certain number, this is partly me checking his claim. If others tested as well, we can total after creature claims.)

[teacher]

Rooster can you check your D1 chat for mentions of creature?

[teacher]

Dangers of mobile posting. I meant Lich - did you or anyone you talked to say creature.

[teacher]

I’m waiting for you to post something game relevant.

And tbh I’d like to get off of L-1.

[teacher]

aw man i should have healed the monkey

This actually gave me bad vibes, combined w the fact that they now say they can’t protect Vedith.

It made me feel like scum put together that killing A50 deprived me of results for the day.

Since I expect to be killed tonight I will say that my suspicion is in DT from this and 359 and 362 given the then wagon target and gamestate.

I am not going to stagnate the game, so intent.

But I would like to hear from Lich whether anyone said the name creature, and I would like DT to clarify whether or not he was able to protect last night and who he decided to target. I’d also really like 0verki11 to play in this game, as they had an early tunnel on Lich but functionally 0 contributions D2 or now.

So my intent is after those three post. I’d prefer to lynch elsewhwhere, but also will not be a stick in the mud.

[teacher]

How many N1 lich? I’m assuming 0 Bc volxen didn’t talk but wanted to check.

[teacher]

Yeh it's DT + Over

I think this too, tbh.

I think at this point we have confirmed the scum team and nobody else discussed what to do with creature. I tried to get Creature to inflate his N2 count by implying I had said his name but he again provided and accurate figure of 2.

My intent will hammer in 18 hours. If I can rally people on wagon to switch to quite literally any other slot (my preferences are 0verki11-then 0verki11, then Stephan), that is my preference.

[teacher]

^0verki11, DT, Stephan, Creature - fwiw.

[teacher]

Eh, I’m being too resistant. Intent - 10hrs because that’s when I’ll be back at a computer.

[teacher]

why the hell would i out who i targetted last night? i cant heal two days in a row. that allows scums to get an ensured kill the next night. fucking use ur brains pls

Sure. Show me where you had previously said that you couldn’t consecutive night save.

[teacher]

Sorry I hadn’t seen this page

[teacher]

you are constantly asking me to claim more about my doctor role. you are asking who i healed last night. things like that help mafia tremendously. i categorized all of those actions under the umbrella term, 'role fishing'

With the mafia scum assumption that you could normally target the same player night after night, I’m not sure how outing who you protected the night before helps scum? I recognize your role here is different by the way, but that wasnt known when the questions were being asked.

[teacher]

Lich what was said over the night?

I want this dead.

[teacher]

Nothink to add from me before a hammer.
I am thinking about Creatures claim

I'm town schizophrenic. I'm told every night how many unique players typed my name or short of it during the night.

This is the third role with the name. My search on mafiascum only revealed the other ones.
So either creature or the mod plus the reviers will get words after the game, because what the role does, doesn't really fit it's name. (Google schizophrenic if you don't believe me).

Teacher: You don't have a result from last night, right?
I like to see DT clear a few thinks today and confirmation that he is 100% on teacher tonight.

Disagree. Schizophrenics have split personalities (alignment flip mid game?) and can hear voices (like their name?)

I’m not going to resist too heavily but will wait for Vedith to return.

[teacher]

Yea I think they are not likely W/W, but only because DT claimed doc w Rooster N1. Otherwise it could be a distance/survival play.

My preference is for Overki11 since it hasn’t played the game since early D1. But I’m essentially in a place where that’s my best read and I’m willing to go along w Vedith and Rooster if they agree simply to get out of stall. When Vedith comes back I’ll vote whichever way he goes, as I think Rooster has indicated the same w his vote.

[teacher]

VOTE: 0verki11 L-2

I dunno on word - like I said way earlier it could be informed scum who knows they get a bastard flip and crest a Power!scum with INnocent child like appearance. That said, I like Stephan’s entry enough to give them a day pass.

With that pass, and roosters of DT, I think we are consensus down to Overki11 and Creature. I like the former in part due to the ease of the latter in early day without any real counterpush.

[teacher]

Pa I’m mobile so am not positive on that L-2. But I think it’s rooster, Lich, and me.

[teacher]

Sorry for fat finger typos.

[teacher]

Vedith is conftown by investigation. He mirrored roster last night. If you would read the game you wouldn’t be the target.

[teacher]

He didn’t answer. Can you talk to RCE last night. He did not talk to Volxen.

[teacher]

Bad dictation machine. He did answer. See above

[teacher]

So I played horribly, and apologize for it. I was overworked.

FWIW, my answer on the interrogator-mirror was that the mirror automatically sends the action back to the person who sent it, which makes sense with the name, but your explanation also makes sense with the rolecard.

Thanks for modding, and apologies for my making your life more difficult.

[teacher]

I agree with 9-4 making this more balanced/equaling the mass claim - that was honestly my expectation w the investigation.