Mini 2097 - Make Me Regret This Game Over

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:09 am

That was such a WIFOMy fucking kill, my god

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:10 am

Probably implies 1 of (elbirn, mastina)

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:12 am

Although also there’s a real possibility that I’m overthinking this and scum was just worried about there being a doc

@chem what would your solve be rn?

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:00 am

In post 1415, Adorable wrote:Elements (6): Adorable, eth0s, Elbirn, Menalque, Sujimichi, TiphaineDeath
Elbirn (2): Elements, TemporalLich
Sujimichi (2): mastina, jjh927

Not voting: Chemist1422

This is what the vote count looked like on day 2 and I find this odd TD gets killed instead of one of the first 4 voters on Elements wagon. jjh and TL defended Elements and I am now null on them. I have seen so many town players defend scum and get mislynched the next day for defending scum and I start to wonder if jjh and TL are town who thought Elements was town or if one of them is scum and today I see Chemist saying jjh is town.

Adorable can u do me a readslist pls

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:09 am

Eth0s are you finding it weird that neither of us is dead?

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:23 am

UNVOTE:

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:23 am

In post 1427, Elbirn wrote:
In post 1425, Chemist1422 wrote:I am claiming a softclear on jjh

We should not be hammering him this early, and probably not at all
Elaborate

Don’t do that chem

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:24 am

In post 1426, Elbirn wrote:
In post 1391, Menalque wrote:It’s literally ele, jjh, mastina

There you go, game solved everyone
Mena stop taking credit for my solve I worked hard for this

I’m p sure I got to ele and jjh scum theory before anyone else

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:24 am

Also I’m kinda not sure that’s the solve anymore

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:35 am

In post 1432, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 1427, Elbirn wrote:
In post 1425, Chemist1422 wrote:I am claiming a softclear on jjh

We should not be hammering him this early, and probably not at all
Elaborate
I rolecopped jjh last night

I know his role is accurate to what he's claiming, and would likely be negative utility for scum

I will go into no further detail

Ffs what did I just say

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:37 am

In post 1435, Elbirn wrote:
In post 1430, Menalque wrote:
In post 1426, Elbirn wrote:
In post 1391, Menalque wrote:It’s literally ele, jjh, mastina

There you go, game solved everyone
Mena stop taking credit for my solve I worked hard for this
I’m p sure I got to ele and jjh scum theory before anyone else
Bro I've been calling those three all day 2 and when I said so you told me I was wrong

I am egomaniacal enough to fight about this you dork

I called ele and jjh scum on D1! But you got mastina so you do get credit for the first solve if you’re right

But now kinda thinking that jjh isn’t scum after all maybe

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:38 am

Right, so

Eth0s
Elbirn
Chem
Jjh

Mastina

Adorable

TL/suji

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:39 am

jjh what’s your suji read?

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:40 am

Why is mastina lower than adorable?

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:48 am

Elbirn I think mastina is a bad shout for today while chem is softlcearing jjh and there’s good odds of scum in suji/TL

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:01 am

In post 1453, Elbirn wrote:
In post 1450, Menalque wrote:Elbirn I think mastina is a bad shout for today while chem is softlcearing jjh and there’s good odds of scum in suji/TL
Mmmmmmmmm nope sorry

But for the sake of being productive what do you think about chemist

I don’t think they’re buddies bc I don’t think that scum!chem claims a soft clear here

I guess chem could maybe be scum but I don’t really have any reason to think so? Like idk why he claims the soft clear on jjh as scum, idk why he doesn’t just let us lynch him

Also just seems towny in my experience of chemsit

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:03 am

Why were you assuming that EP/suji was gonna be confirmed town adorable?

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:04 am

Jjh I really dislike that post and think it’s unproductive

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:07 am

In post 1461, jjh927 wrote:It's very tinfoily and relies on a lot of assumptions, I'll give you that

Can we stay away from tinfoil while we have plausible scum between suji and TL

If one/both flip green then we can start moving further afield but I think for now we should keep the focus on those two

I’m not saying don’t raise suspicions elsewhere I just don’t think a full tinfoil case is gonna be productive for the gamestate atm

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:10 am

In post 1460, eth0s wrote:
In post 1424, Menalque wrote:Eth0s are you finding it weird that neither of us is dead?
That was my first thought when I received the day started message but I dont like the most likely answer that comes to mind.

Then again soas was the first nk so I'm not sure what to make of the NKs yet collectively.

Yeah I’m p much in the same place

I kinda think the NK was either off us bc scum was worried we might have a protective or it was because I think we’ve been p cohesive and they’re trying to play off paranoia around that

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:11 am

In post 1468, Adorable wrote:
In post 1458, Menalque wrote:Why were you assuming that EP/suji was gonna be confirmed town adorable?
eth0s did not want to lynch EP on day 2 and I assumed EP was going to be confirmed next day. I still didn't understand what this was all about.

That’s a good point actually

Eth0s, what’re your current feelings around suji?

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:14 am

In post 1473, mastina wrote:
In post 1410, Menalque wrote:That was such a WIFOMy fucking kill, my god
In post 1411, Menalque wrote:Probably implies 1 of (elbirn, mastina)
> "That was such a wifom kill"
>"Might mean mastina's scum"
> Trolololol.

(I don't make wifom kills.)

Mastina I’m like 80-90% sure that I read something in the Mastin Academy where you talk explicitly about being a player who heavily plays th the WIFOM game

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:15 am

Jjh do you think scum!mastina white knights you here for towncred?

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:16 am

I think I’m okay with doing TL today but it’s all feeling a lil bit too easy tbh

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:17 am

In post 1481, jjh927 wrote:
In post 1478, Menalque wrote:Jjh do you think scum!mastina white knights you here for towncred?
I think Mastina defends me in all situations regardless of both of our alignments

Yeah annoyingly I think you’re probably right

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:19 am

My main concern is that if we mislynch TL today and scum has some sort of damage and they kill jjh + idk who

Then imo we’re in a really bad mylo tomorrow

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:19 am

In post 1483, mastina wrote:
In post 1450, Menalque wrote:Elbirn I think mastina is a bad shout for today while chem is softlcearing jjh and there’s good odds of scum in suji/TL
Especially considering I scumread Elements the whole fucking game and that Suji/TL are 2/3 of my remaining scumreads, yeah.

Your options are I'm bussing my whole scumteam or I'm town, so.

I mean I do think you would do that, yes

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:20 am

And then make exactly that argument

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:22 am

In post 1488, jjh927 wrote:
In post 1484, eth0s wrote:
In post 1450, Menalque wrote: I don’t Like idk why he claims the soft clear on jjh as scum, idk why he doesn’t just let us lynch him
I'm not advocating for scum!chemist by any means but why would elements claim a no result on jjh instead of a guilty? Why would soas get shot? Why would TD get shot? Well the last one makes a little sense I guess for bleeding town but that would apply to a few players.

The motivation of the scum seems very unclear. If this were a newbie game my lynch pool would be all noobs. I'm wondering if this should be something similar? Not quite convinced enough to resort everyone based on this but I think it either eventually comes to that or finding a "good scum player"'s motivation that makes sense.

Btw I'm not reading previews ala mastina style because I'm still working and in my phone and overwhelmed
Elements claiming a guilty at L-1 gets him lynched. The question should be why didn't he claim an inno

That’s a good point

What do you think the answer is?

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:22 am

In post 1491, mastina wrote:
In post 1469, Menalque wrote:I kinda think the NK was either off us bc scum was worried we might have a protective or it was because I think we’ve been p cohesive and they’re trying to play off paranoia around that
What if I told you I knew who the protective role in this setup was and that they are someone who I know to be town?

I’d ask you to stop talking

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:24 am

In post 1492, jjh927 wrote:Elements didn't claim a result because he didn't need to distance because he was already being bussed

So adorable, elbirn or suji?

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:25 am

Eth0s I’m really gonna need you to talk about your EP thing today

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:56 am

In post 1509, mastina wrote:
In post 1487, Menalque wrote:
In post 1483, mastina wrote:Your options are I'm bussing my whole scumteam or I'm town, so.
I mean I do think you would do that, yes
You claim to have read my academy and yet you think I would double bus?

I call bullshit because I literally wrote the book on why you DON'T bus.

I’ve read some of your academy, not the whole thing yet.

I hadn’t tead that one, and okay, I take your point.

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:56 am

In post 1510, mastina wrote:
In post 1496, Menalque wrote:
In post 1492, jjh927 wrote:Elements didn't claim a result because he didn't need to distance because he was already being bussed
So adorable,
elbirn or suji
?
Take a guess.

I prefer suji I think although I haven’t been as much of a fan of elbirn’s recent posting

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:10 pm

In post 1516, eth0s wrote:
In post 1469, Menalque wrote:
In post 1460, eth0s wrote:
In post 1424, Menalque wrote:Eth0s are you finding it weird that neither of us is dead?
That was my first thought when I received the day started message but I dont like the most likely answer that comes to mind.

Then again soas was the first nk so I'm not sure what to make of the NKs yet collectively.
Yeah I’m p much in the same place

I kinda think the NK was either off us bc scum was worried we might have a protective or it was because I think we’ve been p cohesive and they’re trying to play off paranoia around that
I hadn't thought about the protective worry aspect but the paranoia play and mastina's thought on us being spared to mislynch a town!jjh are pretty compelling thoughts (potentially one in the same? hoping we either mislynch jjh or each other?). I guess I'm not that worried about it yet given these alternatives but
if you're scum I'm going to hate you in post game for taunting me with this lol

Likewise fam

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:11 pm

In post 1517, eth0s wrote:
In post 1472, Menalque wrote:
In post 1468, Adorable wrote:
In post 1458, Menalque wrote:Why were you assuming that EP/suji was gonna be confirmed town adorable?
eth0s did not want to lynch EP on day 2 and I assumed EP was going to be confirmed next day. I still didn't understand what this was all about.
That’s a good point actually

Eth0s, what’re your current feelings around suji?
haven't changed except I'm worried that the replacement fucks up my only viable way to potentially solve the slot.

Okay, shall we do TL then?

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:29 pm

I mean I don’t think chem derailed the pressure on jjh, I think I did

If chem had said that and we’d insisted on him fleshing out exactly what he’d learned, I think he’d have had to do it

But frankly, I don’t like how much information scum probably already have about people’s roles (I have a couple of ideas and this is my weakest area as a player prob, so I think scum definitely have some solid guesses) and so I didn’t wanna push it because like I said, I don’t really see the motivation scum!chem has in doing it

If there is a traitor and we’re in like 4:8 it could make sense but I think that’s some balance fuckery so I’m gonna ignore it unless we get to 3 lynched scum and the game isn’t over...

I’d rather lynch suji than TL if I’m honest, but I still trust you so I’m willing to let you do your sorting thing there

I liked adorable’s posts so far today even if her content is generally limited

So unless you wanna talk openly about suji!slot and you don’t seem to then I’m just ending up at TL

Menalque · Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:30 pm

In post 1527, Sujimichi wrote:I feel like posts a make are being ignored, but we'll see.

I mean I’m reading them for if something piques my interest but I SR you strongly enough that I don’t really wanna bring you into the solving circle atm

Menalque · Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:33 am

In post 1580, mastina wrote:
In post 1557, Elbirn wrote:I don't understand any of the mastina water stuff and don't care to, someone else figure it out and dumb it down for me later
I don't think I'm getting much out of these conversations and I'd rather find scum based on what elements did this game and how end of day 2 turned out, wish me luck
Okay so while TL's my strongest scumread I'm like 98% sure the third is Elbirn at this point.

Aren’t we lucky that if TL flips scum we’ll have time to do suji first in case you’re right

Menalque · Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:46 am

Hypocrisy isn’t scum

Also I don’t even particularly SR suji, but I think EP was very scummy. My desire to lynch there comes more from EP’s content than suji’s

Menalque · Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:57 am

In post 1586, Elbirn wrote:Oh hi mena

I still haven't gleaned anything particularly useful but I continue to believe that suji/TL are bad lynches

Scum (JJH/Mastina) tried to build counterwagons on TL and EP yesterday to save bff elements. They're not scum.

Mastina is grasping at straws and JJ was trying to come up with a reason to scumread me because they have to. They have to insist on the PoV that scum bussed because they're fucked otherwise

Explain chem then

Menalque · Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:58 am

can we have a VC pls

Menalque · Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:55 am

In post 1595, Chemist1422 wrote:Alright then

I have some work to do on a thing but I'll try to dive into this game tonight

Can u do this now chem

?

Menalque · Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:29 am

In post 1606, eth0s wrote:Damn I was going to do my own elements iso check for associates since no one else had.
I dont particularly agree with some of your conclusions at face value
but I am on my phone and not able to look into much so I'll expand on this when I'm back at my computer.

I think I will still do an iso analysis on elements myself and see what I find differently than and in addition to what you found.

this p much but thank you for doing it

Menalque · Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:29 am

I mean I'm kinda ready to vote TL but I don't wanna end day yet so are we all good with not quick hammering this?

Menalque · Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:27 pm

hotcake: if TL!red the last scum is in (elbirn, eth0s, suji)

maybe less of a hotcake and more of a mildly microwaved take

Menalque · Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:28 pm

eth0s remind me why you're voting Mastina?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:26 am

Hey suji why are you voting mastina?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:43 am

What didn’t you like about it for 1 & 2 ?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:06 am

In post 1623, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 1622, Elbirn wrote:Suji is mastina going to die tonight or no?

In post 1621, Menalque wrote:What didn’t you like about it for 1 & 2 ?
I’m in phone and can explain better later, but I didn’t like her posting after the Elements hammer, and I’m not a fan of her reads today (and overall posting by extension).

okay, I can wait, but why do you think that her reads are bad today? even if you subtract yourself do you not think the other reads are good?

if you think they're bad where is the scum? if jjh/mastina, why is chem claiming a soft clear on jjh?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:14 am

no it's to do with jjh's secondary ability

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:17 am

In post 1400, Chemist1422 wrote:I don’t want to expand but jjh’s second ability makes him very very likely town

In post 1425, Chemist1422 wrote:I am claiming a softclear on jjh

We should not be hammering him this early, and probably not at all

In post 1432, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 1427, Elbirn wrote:
In post 1425, Chemist1422 wrote:I am claiming a softclear on jjh

We should not be hammering him this early, and probably not at all
Elaborate
I rolecopped jjh last night

I know his role is accurate to what he's claiming, and would likely be negative utility for scum

I will go into no further detail

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:31 am

In post 1633, TemporalLich wrote:1627 is... interesting

We'll let that simmer over till tomorrow.

Adorable's ISO weirds me out...

and I actually did manage to find jjh's softclaim in 1393... "weak"? seriously? Gonna have to believe the claim a little for now. This makes jjh look town (and chemist1422 look town if his rolecop claim is right)...

mastina only feels towny, but the opening post is mason with Adorable...

anyway my vote shifts to what makes a lot more sense

VOTE: Adorable

why does this make a lot more sense?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:40 am

In post 1635, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 1634, Menalque wrote:why does this make a lot more sense?
voting someone with a Weak role (confirmed by a rolecop) doesn't make too much sense don't you think?

firstly adorable isn't voting anyone as far as I can see from her ISO

second idk why that makes her scum, can you explain why you think it does

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:48 am

In post 1638, Elbirn wrote:Actually wait, the only reason jjh is "softcleared", which isn't even a thing because you're either cleared or you're not, is because of his modifier that only gives him 1 HP instead of 2?

There isnt some big thing about it that chemist didnt reveal, that's it? Because that's nothing

literally look 7 posts above your post and you'll see chem's argument for clearing jjh

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:50 am

unless we think there are 4 scum in this set up, which honestly seems like too much, then I think jjh/chem/mast all likely town

then I have a TR on eth0s

elbirn I liked end of D2 but a lot less today

adorable is quite empty but I like more today

so there's probably the 2 scum in (TL, suji, elbirn, adorbs) and that's the order I wanna lynch in for now

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:51 am

strongly suspect 2/3 scum in (TL, suji, elbirn) at this point tbh, which is I think the same place Mastina got to so I'm kinda TRing her for that as well

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:51 am

In post 1646, TemporalLich wrote:also I anticlaim any sort of investigative role

sorry what?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:52 am

ngl TL this looks a lot like scum flailing

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:53 am

In post 1645, TemporalLich wrote:jjh is guiltied scum

prove me wrong

In post 1646, TemporalLich wrote:also I anticlaim any sort of investigative role

how do these two posts make sense together in your head

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:55 am

In post 1654, jjh927 wrote:
In post 1645, TemporalLich wrote:jjh is guiltied scum

prove me wrong
Nobody has claimed a guilty on me. QED

Alternate proof: I received a town role PM. QED

this is helpful to no-one and you know it

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:56 am

kinda think TL is trying to bait another vote on him to end day faster before we can finish solving tbh

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:57 am

where did he lie

I don't think jjh has lied demonstrably re: his role claim?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:03 am

I think you need to claim TL

I'm not putting you at L-1 bc I think you're likely to self-hammer at this point

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:11 am

In post 1685, Que Flavor wrote:you're de facto at L-1 because there's no way we're not lynching you today after this unless you've got the most pro-town role imaginable

alt slip

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:11 am

suji are you willing to lynch TL here despite your feelings on mastina? bc I want a full claim and if you confirm that you're also wiling to vote then he is at L-1 essentially and has no reason not to

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:13 am

protip TL: if you are in some strange world town here, then if you're at this point and you get asked to claim you should put everything you can into a single post with as much detail as permitted, including flavour, powers, who you targeted etc

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:24 am

In post 1700, TemporalLich wrote:and I did indeed target chemist with the rolecop invent

when

how do your inventions work

do they have to be used the night that they're given or can they be held in reserve

please just give us all of this information instead of making us ask for it bit-by-bit

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:38 am

are all the inventions 1 use?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:39 am

sorry, badly phrased actually: can you only give each power once

do the names of the powers have flavour names? if so, what?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:39 am

In post 1701, Menalque wrote:
In post 1700, TemporalLich wrote:and I did indeed target chemist with the rolecop invent
when

how do your inventions work

do they have to be used the night that they're given or can they be held in reserve

please just give us all of this information instead of making us ask for it bit-by-bit

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:41 am

so you could give out as many inventions as you wanted per night?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:41 am

also you've already given out all your inventions making you functionally VT rn then?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:42 am

if TL flips town then just

honestly

I'm shook

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:45 am

In post 1721, jjh927 wrote:I'm also confused at who would motivate TL in N1 unless he's their scumbuddy

who would motivate him?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:46 am

why would and elements/TL + 1 team kill SoaS N1

that's something that's still kinda bothering me

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:47 am

In post 1724, jjh927 wrote:TL's scumbuddy

I still don't know what you're getting at

motivate him to play?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:50 am

were you motivated, TL?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:50 am

or your ability to hand out multiple things was a base ability?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:05 am

In post 1738, Adorable wrote:I recently woke up and I saw TL claiming Inventor and that is always a town role. From what I am reading, he gave rolecop to Chemist on N1 and he said he got motivated on N1. Since he said he gave Chemist all his inventions, then that would mean he visited chemist again on N2 and he gave Chemist protect and roleblock. The Motivator most likely town read TL on day 1 and motivated him on N1.

who do you think was TRing TL on D1?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:06 am

especially enough to motivate him?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:06 am

this whole thing smells like bullshit to me

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:07 am

also have to agree with jjh: don't see why this couldn't just be a disloyal inventor

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:11 am

why didn't you give anything to Mastina, TL?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:12 am

chem were you given all these things?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:14 am

In post 1755, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 1752, Menalque wrote:chem were you given all these things?
Yes

Only thing is I don't think they're 1-shot

why?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:17 am

what are the other two again, I cba to try and find where TL said

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:29 am

no lol, we're lynching TL

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:14 pm

Don’t wanna hammer until mastina turns up tbh

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:14 pm

Talking of :

could we get a prod on mastina pls?

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:37 pm

In post 1787, eth0s wrote:
@mena

In post 1775, eth0s wrote:p-edit 1:
@mena, like I said I am getting to it. What do you want in order of importance? not sure how long I'll be at my computer for now

Time zone issues :/

Mastina thoughts tbh, I feel like I already got your take on TL from your recent posts

Menalque · Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:37 pm

intent

Menalque · Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:57 am

Tell me why chem

I’m not seeing why we shouldn’t tbh, unless you’re feeling the consensus on TL scum came a bit too easy in which case I get it

But I still think he’s the right lynch today

Good odds of flipping scum and I don’t wanna do suji/elbirn more than him atm, plus if TL is town and there’s scum I kinda think they’re already on, although not sure who

Menalque · Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:09 am

Why could he not fake that as scum?

Why does it outweigh what I think are good reasons to think he’s scum?

Also at the end of the day I just don’t want him in lylo because he’s too viable an option for scum to push

Menalque · Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:22 am

In post 1831, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 1830, Menalque wrote:Why could he not fake that as scum?

Why does it outweigh what I think are good reasons to think he’s scum?

Also at the end of the day I just don’t want him in lylo because
he’s too viable an option for scum to push
um

would it be an overreaction to call this TMI

Yes

Menalque · Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:24 am

The fact that I said “is” rather than “would be” is so NAI it hurts, especially considering the implied end to that sentence is “if he’s still town”

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:16 am

waiting on mastina

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:16 am

For hammer I mean

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:43 am

I wanna wait for mastina to post as we have 5 days until deadline

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:50 am

If you hammer before mastina posts then there is no god on this green earth that is gonna stop you eating rope tomorrow suji

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:50 am

There is still time for discussion and that discussion is not concluded

There is no good reason to end day already when someone who is a strong townplayer hasn’t weighed in and then weighing in may open up new lines of enquiry

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:51 am

I really dislike that post

I don’t think town needs to be impatient here

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:04 am

Waiting kills engagement for the day not in the game, and the day iS functionally over bc we’re not lynching someone other than TL unless someone wants to come in and hard defend him which doesn’t look like is happening here

Even if you think she’s scum plenty of us don’t or have questions so why are you not willing to let us engage with her? That’s an incredibly selfish way to play esp if you think some of us (e.g. me who I thought you were TRing) are actively asking you to hold off on hammer so she can contribute

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:05 am

Chem what were the other things TL gave you again?

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:22 am

VOTE: suji

Actually, I kinda wanna do this today

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:17 am

In post 1852, Sujimichi wrote:I'm not waiting 5 days. I will wait until tonight.

In post 1856, Sujimichi wrote:I don't really care. Waiting indefinitely kills engagement in the game, one person's thoughts isn't worth that, and I won't let that happen if I'm able. She had opportunity but decided to post for posting sake.

This does not feel like you’re trying to work with me.

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:19 am

Lol I’m actually thinking that TL was the designated mislynch and it’s just (suji, elbirn) now

Chem/jjh/Eth0s/mastina hmu when you see this

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:22 am

Like TL is not good and I can see him flipping scum

But I don’t really see why suji + elbirn are trying to force this lynch to happen now if they’re town

I don’t see what the town motivation in getting a lynch to happen RIGHT NOW is so long as people are still talking and saying that they wanna hear back from other people

And that it’s coming from two people I have major doubts about outside of that (well, one plus I’ve been getting less confident on elbirn based on today) then it seems really off, enough for me to want to take a pause on TL

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:35 am

In post 1877, Elbirn wrote:
In post 1872, Menalque wrote:Lol I’m actually thinking that TL was the designated mislynch and it’s just (suji, elbirn) now

Chem/jjh/Eth0s/mastina hmu when you see this
If TL was the designated mislynch and suji and I were the team, he would have hammered. Use your noodle dude

Not convinced he would given that a TL!green flip would v likely get him lynched tomorrow

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:35 am

In post 1878, Elbirn wrote:Oh, daily reminder that nobody with a town role PM ever motivates TL

Was it ever confirmed that he was motivated?

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:35 am

In post 1876, TemporalLich wrote:I can't wait another 5 days for this either either

How did you give out both of your inventions last night in the same night, remind me?

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:36 am

Mastina has provided content and I don’t think it was bad, even if it wasn’t great

Idk why you’re so keen for her not to have the chance been to provide more

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:37 am

In post 1882, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 1871, Menalque wrote:
In post 1852, Sujimichi wrote:I'm not waiting 5 days. I will wait until tonight.

In post 1856, Sujimichi wrote:I don't really care. Waiting indefinitely kills engagement in the game, one person's thoughts isn't worth that, and I won't let that happen if I'm able. She had opportunity but decided to post for posting sake.
This does not feel like you’re trying to work with me.
Why did you leave out:

In post 1860, Sujimichi wrote:Fine.

What’s your point here?

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:51 am

No, but I don’t get why you’re being needlessly abrasive about it

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:52 am

UNVOTE:

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:53 am

I did misread that post as not you actually agreeing to wait but just you saying “fine” sarcastically to my comments

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:07 am

In post 1893, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 1888, Menalque wrote:No, but I don’t get why you’re being needlessly abrasive about it
I'm not trying to be abrasive. Apologies if it comes across that way.

Okay, I think I could have been misreading that in your tone tbf, it’s cool

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:07 am

Elbirn what’s your solve? Jjh + masti?

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:09 am

In post 1892, Adorable wrote:Some of Elbirn's posts are vulgar and I don't like the way how he is playing this day phase. My suspicion on Elbirn never went away and I'm still suspecting him no matter what TL flips. Even if TL flips mafia, I will still suspect Elbirn because this actually does look like distancing. I don't like Elbirn's interaction with TL and if anyone ever treated me like that I would have reported the player or unless the player is a scum buddy for the laughs and messing around then that does seem to make sense.

What exactly makes you think distancing and not genuine?

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:11 pm

Fuck me man, that’s a big post

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:12 pm

That’s my initial thought

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:15 pm

I’m too tired and a lil drunk to process it tonight, but I’ll let you know tomorrow

One thing I’d like to know thoughts on is mass claim?

Like I feel part of what is fucking me up here is there’s so much shit in the air and idk if it would be a good idea to get that out the way today

If not I think it can wait until tomorrow but I don’t really wanna wait until lylo

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:16 pm

Sup Eth0s

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:20 pm

I mean it might but also there’s a lot of powers floating around and if we out them then it makes certain things today a lot easier

Like I feel a lot better about you but I also don’t love that it’s based on a soft clear for a power that I don’t even know

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:21 pm

Yeah that’s the other thing I’m wondering about

Could this be a 4 scum game?

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:22 pm

Or 3 scum + traitor

In which case jjh speccing about it is probably AI but I’m not sure in which direction

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:22 pm

I’ve been kinda back of my mind wondering about that but not getting to a satisfactory answer

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:25 pm

Jjh what is your read on Eth0s?

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:28 pm

I’m p sure TL means that he wouldn’t trust whatever the role is to actually be AI

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:30 pm

What’s an arsonist?

With all the roles I would think scum needs more power not less, so if there were a traitor I think it’s more likely to be 3+1 than 2+1 where the scum team is slightly underpowered to compensate

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:32 pm

In post 1940, jjh927 wrote:
In post 1936, Menalque wrote:Jjh what is your read on Eth0s?
He's towny in quite number of ways, and I don't doubt any of them at all because of how he pushed for elements

Okay so why do you think he’s this wrong on you?

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:41 pm

In post 1951, eth0s wrote:Oh and an arsonist douses people with gas and can continue to douse people until they choose to ignite then everyone doused will burn and die together.

Sounds kinky, I’m in

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:42 pm

Is that 3p or a scum role?

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:02 pm

In post 1957, eth0s wrote:
In post 1952, Menalque wrote:
In post 1951, eth0s wrote:Oh and an arsonist douses people with gas and can continue to douse people until they choose to ignite then everyone doused will burn and die together.
Sounds kinky, I’m in
found the arsonist.

On a serious note, mena. Why does it feel like you're itching to vote me and why does it feel like you've become so trustworthy of jjh given your past relationship this game?

You've made a few posts implying that you're worried about my alignment and it really sticks out to me now that you're asking jjh how he feels.

Not really fam, you’re overthinking this

I was asking jjh bc I wanted to know why he was TRing you despite one logical response from town being pushed is that they’re being pushed by scum using a bad case

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:04 pm

Trust me if I wanted to vote you I would, but there’s just lil things like I was kinda feeling good about jjh and now you’ve sort of blown that up for me

I think that’s probtown but also can’t put it past scum trying to derail the gamestate and the lynch if TL is scum

But overall I think that’s p unlikely so you’re about half an inch below locktown for me

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:05 pm

Also doesn’t help that I don’t have meta with you as that makes me extra paranoid about being pocketed

Menalque · Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:07 pm

I need to reread EP’s posting

Menalque · Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:01 pm

hi, was taking a couple of days off site but just received a prod

Will be around properly later to catch up

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:01 am

Adorable, do you think that I'm the first person to SR one of my buddies D1 and then I hard push him D2 just for cred, including after there is doubt about whether his role spews him town rather than reversing? I'm not asking if you think it's possible, I'm asking if you think it's probable. Because I think that despite having needed a couple of days I should be pretty damn close to lock!town now after the elements flip.

Also, funnily enough, I actually do wanna lynch Elbirn

VOTE: Elbirn

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:01 am

eth0s you still around?

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:24 am

In post 407, jjh927 wrote:
In post 403, eth0s wrote:On one hand I am inclined to side with jjh here as he appears to have caught Korina in a few lies. On the other hand I don't understand why scum would have a role to make PTs for other players.

Not even sure if I believe the flagbearer part isn't true.
Role =/= alignment

Setup spec is an art

Scum will not usually have roles that are blatantly scummy, and often may have roles that look pro-town.

although, why didn't this apply regarding elements, jjh? and regarding TL?

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:29 am

actually I'm rereading jjh's D1 again and I'm willing to roll with eth0s on this

VOTE: jjh

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:34 am

whoever motivated TL should claim it now imo, and explain it before we end day

that's one of the main things I feel confused about atm

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:35 am

oh hey eth0s

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:39 am

I was going to try and sell you on Elbirn but then I changed my mind lol

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:39 am

I still think elbirn is scummy but I think I agree with you that jjh is looking worse rn based on ISO

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:40 am

I'm still checking the progressions etc but stuff like going from elbirn being locktown based on the SoaS kill N1 to elbirn being scum today is pinging me

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:56 am

chem do you have a reason to not wanna lynch jjh other than thinking that his role is more likely town than scum?

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:57 am

In post 959, Chemist1422 wrote:I don’t really like Adorable’s ISO that much but I’m considering clearing them for reading SoaS during N1

what did this mean chem?

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:14 am

In post 1070, jjh927 wrote:I'm saying I 100% would never kill deb there because there would be multiple better options unique to myself

did you ever say who/why?

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:18 am

I don't really have time to case jjh anew because I have other shit to do

But one thing that should really concern everyone is that once Suji reps into EP's slot he almost completely forgets about his SR there -- he doesn't really push suji much or try to explore there, which I don't think is town behaviour regarding someone who you think is in a scum!slot. I think if you look at my interactions with suji there's a continued effort to sort him and a kind of general scepticism about him due to the fact he repped into EP's slot

but with jjh I feel like there's no more pressure that really gets applied there. why do that as town? I don't see it. Whereas if you're scum and there's a new player in a slot that previously was at least pretty sceptical of you then you ideally want them to TR you, so taking a softer approach there makes a lot of sense as scum

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:26 am

do u wanna vote for jjh then elbirn?

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:32 am

o i thought you were still waiting to hammer, whoopsie

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:01 am

oh yeah, suji, I rate Mastina as a strong town player mostly from interacting with her in pfup and also because her reads have been above average in my experience

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:49 am

oi, TL, I see you online, come here and talk to me

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:59 am

p sure that's

L-1

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:00 am

chem unless you strongly believe that jjh is town outside of the role do you trust me enough to sheep me on this?

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:02 am

suji/adorbs why do you not wanna vote here? idk if that's necessarily true but bc we're low on time then if your next post isn't intent I'd like to know why

jjh I'd like a full claim from you

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:13 am

CHEMIST I SEE U

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:14 am

I SEE U IN THAT ONLINE PLAYERS LIST

COME HERE AND TALK TO ME

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:54 am

Cool, jjh, let’s get that full claim boi

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:56 am

Suji, it’s not just one game, that was a lil unclear

It was mostly pfup but also from I Can’t Remember The Name Of This Game which was abandoned and she nailed me as scum early and hard

Plus the fact that she’s written an entire academies worth of resources, and the general high respect for her play that most people seem to have

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:57 am

Has she not been showing strongly here? She hasn’t. If jjh flips red then imma look at that more closely, if he flips green then mastina is prob lock!town

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:36 pm

Pls expand as far as you can. Whats an example?

Chem why did you think that was a town role?

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:24 pm

In post 2242, eth0s wrote:wait if this is a day role it makes sense I think.

what do you think mena

I don’t see why it’s a role more likely to be town than scum tbh and the rest of jjh is still scummy

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:26 pm

Actually yeah let’s do TL

VOTE: TL

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:34 pm

Protective should flip a coin between me/Eth0s/jjh tonigh tbh

Esp if this flips red

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:35 pm

Oh I guess it’s not

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:36 pm

Okay then protective should be on me/Eth0s coinflipped and y’all should remember to lynch jjh tomorrow

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:38 pm

I mean I trust it a little bit less here

But v little incentive to lie post hammer generslly

Menalque · Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:38 pm

Remember how I was right when you were insisting that kori would flip scum

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:41 am

Noice

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:41 am

Thanks for modding gamma/schadd

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:42 am

Fucking great shot whoever killed Eth0s

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:42 am

Sorry EP lol

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:44 am

Props suji

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:44 am

Menalque wrote:Ahhhhh dat mindmeld tho

I’m gonna be legit upset if you turn out to be scum eth0s

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:44 am

Consider me LEGIT UPSET Eth0s

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:46 am

In hindsight the fact that his power was super fuckin similar to mine should have been an alarm bell

We claimed in our pt and although he said disloyal jailkeeper I was actually thinking in my head all game that it was roleblocker

And it never occurred to me “hmm, two roleblockers for town is kinda weird actually”

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:46 am

Also @everyone I always welcome feedback

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:47 am

Why’d you change your mind on mastina suji?

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:48 am

I think I played reasonably well here apart from being totally off on Eth0s

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:00 am

In post 1519, Menalque wrote:
In post 1516, eth0s wrote:
In post 1469, Menalque wrote:
In post 1460, eth0s wrote:
In post 1424, Menalque wrote:Eth0s are you finding it weird that neither of us is dead?
That was my first thought when I received the day started message but I dont like the most likely answer that comes to mind.

Then again soas was the first nk so I'm not sure what to make of the NKs yet collectively.
Yeah I’m p much in the same place

I kinda think the NK was either off us bc scum was worried we might have a protective or it was because I think we’ve been p cohesive and they’re trying to play off paranoia around that
I hadn't thought about the protective worry aspect but the paranoia play and mastina's thought on us being spared to mislynch a town!jjh are pretty compelling thoughts (potentially one in the same? hoping we either mislynch jjh or each other?). I guess I'm not that worried about it yet given these alternatives but
if you're scum I'm going to hate you in post game for taunting me with this lol
Likewise fam

:side-eye:

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:02 am

Who the fuck was the motivator

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:03 am

In post 2370, jjh927 wrote:That being said, we were about to go into massclaim, I was about to power everyone up, and I don't think anyone would have lynched me after the TL flip, so I was a pretty optimal kill

That locktowned you and chem for me

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:05 am

I was a delayed roleblocker

An alarm clock, so I woke anyone I targeted up early and made them too tired to take an action the next night

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:05 am

I targeted elements, mastina, adorable

So mastina was Rb’d last night

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:07 am

I might have got to Eth0s scum but I think only in mylo/lylo and even then idk for sure

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:07 am

Would she have known in advance tho?

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:09 am

I fucking hate being a roleblocker incidentally

It’s like my least favourite role and the only thing I ever seem to get

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:10 am

And to think, I was planning to hard push suji today

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:11 am

I’m kinda disappointed not to have seen the power ups tbh, especially if they came with new flavour

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:30 am

In post 2388, Sujimichi wrote:What was it that made you think so strongly I was mafia?

EP was completely off his meta before you repped in

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:33 am

In post 2354, Menalque wrote:Also @everyone I always welcome feedback

@mastina just in case you missed this

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:33 am

In post 2401, jjh927 wrote:Did anyone who scumread me at any point in this game actually meta me at all?

Tiny skim

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:36 am

In post 2404, jjh927 wrote:You might want to revisit your case on me and my rebuttal to it with hindsight, menalque

Yeah, that’s fair

I mean I did go back and forth on you quite a bit, and where it really counted I voted TL over you (and I didn’t think you were partners — I think, I always struggle to remember my reads)

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:37 am

So what’s the broader takeaway? Don’t trust a meta-SR on someone just because they’re normally much more active?

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:38 am

It’s just tricky bc I feel like that was a large part of how I got onto elements (like the emptiness of his ISO on D1)

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:38 am

I’m really interested to read the scum pt tbh

Menalque · Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:43 am

In post 2410, jjh927 wrote:I don't really think I should have had to fullclaim in order to get TL lynched there over myself but it's acceptable because Eth0s was angling for that

Part of the problem was I was TRing ethos more than you mostly and I had those early doubts which got reinforced rereading your D1

Man, I wish there was a way to see how I’d have read Eth0s this game without having shared the pt with him D1/N1

This is another example of neighbour powers tending to lead towards TRs