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Adorable can u do me a readslist plsIn post 1415, Adorable wrote:Elements (6): Adorable, eth0s, Elbirn, Menalque, Sujimichi, TiphaineDeath
Elbirn (2): Elements, TemporalLich
Sujimichi (2): mastina, jjh927
Not voting: Chemist1422
This is what the vote count looked like on day 2 and I find this odd TD gets killed instead of one of the first 4 voters on Elements wagon. jjh and TL defended Elements and I am now null on them. I have seen so many town players defend scum and get mislynched the next day for defending scum and I start to wonder if jjh and TL are town who thought Elements was town or if one of them is scum and today I see Chemist saying jjh is town.-
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Don’t do that chemIn post 1427, Elbirn wrote:
ElaborateIn post 1425, Chemist1422 wrote:I am claiming a softclear on jjh
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I’m p sure I got to ele and jjh scum theory before anyone else
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Ffs what did I just sayIn post 1432, Chemist1422 wrote:
I rolecopped jjh last nightIn post 1427, Elbirn wrote:
ElaborateIn post 1425, Chemist1422 wrote:I am claiming a softclear on jjh
We should not be hammering him this early, and probably not at all
I know his role is accurate to what he's claiming, and would likely be negative utility for scum
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I called ele and jjh scum on D1! But you got mastina so you do get credit for the first solve if you’re rightIn post 1435, Elbirn wrote:
Bro I've been calling those three all day 2 and when I said so you told me I was wrongIn post 1430, Menalque wrote:I’m p sure I got to ele and jjh scum theory before anyone else
I am egomaniacal enough to fight about this you dork
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I don’t think they’re buddies bc I don’t think that scum!chem claims a soft clear hereIn post 1453, Elbirn wrote:
Mmmmmmmmm nope sorryIn post 1450, Menalque wrote:Elbirn I think mastina is a bad shout for today while chem is softlcearing jjh and there’s good odds of scum in suji/TL
But for the sake of being productive what do you think about chemist
I guess chem could maybe be scum but I don’t really have any reason to think so? Like idk why he claims the soft clear on jjh as scum, idk why he doesn’t just let us lynch him
Also just seems towny in my experience of chemsit-
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Can we stay away from tinfoil while we have plausible scum between suji and TLIn post 1461, jjh927 wrote:It's very tinfoily and relies on a lot of assumptions, I'll give you that
If one/both flip green then we can start moving further afield but I think for now we should keep the focus on those two
I’m not saying don’t raise suspicions elsewhere I just don’t think a full tinfoil case is gonna be productive for the gamestate atm-
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Yeah I’m p much in the same placeIn post 1460, eth0s wrote:
That was my first thought when I received the day started message but I dont like the most likely answer that comes to mind.In post 1424, Menalque wrote:Eth0s are you finding it weird that neither of us is dead?
Then again soas was the first nk so I'm not sure what to make of the NKs yet collectively.
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That’s a good point actuallyIn post 1468, Adorable wrote:
eth0s did not want to lynch EP on day 2 and I assumed EP was going to be confirmed next day. I still didn't understand what this was all about.In post 1458, Menalque wrote:Why were you assuming that EP/suji was gonna be confirmed town adorable?
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Mastina I’m like 80-90% sure that I read something in the Mastin Academy where you talk explicitly about being a player who heavily plays th the WIFOM gameIn post 1473, mastina wrote:In post 1410, Menalque wrote:That was such a WIFOMy fucking kill, my god
> "That was such a wifom kill"In post 1411, Menalque wrote:Probably implies 1 of (elbirn, mastina)
>"Might mean mastina's scum"
> Trolololol.
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Yeah annoyingly I think you’re probably rightIn post 1481, jjh927 wrote:
I think Mastina defends me in all situations regardless of both of our alignmentsIn post 1478, Menalque wrote:Jjh do you think scum!mastina white knights you here for towncred?-
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I mean I do think you would do that, yesIn post 1483, mastina wrote:
Especially considering I scumread Elements the whole fucking game and that Suji/TL are 2/3 of my remaining scumreads, yeah.In post 1450, Menalque wrote:Elbirn I think mastina is a bad shout for today while chem is softlcearing jjh and there’s good odds of scum in suji/TL
Your options are I'm bussing my whole scumteam or I'm town, so.-
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That’s a good pointIn post 1488, jjh927 wrote:
Elements claiming a guilty at L-1 gets him lynched. The question should be why didn't he claim an innoIn post 1484, eth0s wrote:
I'm not advocating for scum!chemist by any means but why would elements claim a no result on jjh instead of a guilty? Why would soas get shot? Why would TD get shot? Well the last one makes a little sense I guess for bleeding town but that would apply to a few players.In post 1450, Menalque wrote: I don’t Like idk why he claims the soft clear on jjh as scum, idk why he doesn’t just let us lynch him
The motivation of the scum seems very unclear. If this were a newbie game my lynch pool would be all noobs. I'm wondering if this should be something similar? Not quite convinced enough to resort everyone based on this but I think it either eventually comes to that or finding a "good scum player"'s motivation that makes sense.
Btw I'm not reading previews ala mastina style because I'm still working and in my phone and overwhelmed
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I’d ask you to stop talkingIn post 1491, mastina wrote:
What if I told you I knew who the protective role in this setup was and that they are someone who I know to be town?In post 1469, Menalque wrote:I kinda think the NK was either off us bc scum was worried we might have a protective or it was because I think we’ve been p cohesive and they’re trying to play off paranoia around that-
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So adorable, elbirn or suji?In post 1492, jjh927 wrote:Elements didn't claim a result because he didn't need to distance because he was already being bussed-
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I’ve read some of your academy, not the whole thing yet.In post 1509, mastina wrote:
You claim to have read my academy and yet you think I would double bus?In post 1487, Menalque wrote:
I mean I do think you would do that, yesIn post 1483, mastina wrote:Your options are I'm bussing my whole scumteam or I'm town, so.
I call bullshit because I literally wrote the book on why you DON'T bus.
I hadn’t tead that one, and okay, I take your point.-
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I prefer suji I think although I haven’t been as much of a fan of elbirn’s recent postingIn post 1510, mastina wrote:
Take a guess.In post 1496, Menalque wrote:
So adorable,In post 1492, jjh927 wrote:Elements didn't claim a result because he didn't need to distance because he was already being bussedelbirn or suji?-
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Likewise famIn post 1516, eth0s wrote:
I hadn't thought about the protective worry aspect but the paranoia play and mastina's thought on us being spared to mislynch a town!jjh are pretty compelling thoughts (potentially one in the same? hoping we either mislynch jjh or each other?). I guess I'm not that worried about it yet given these alternatives butIn post 1469, Menalque wrote:
Yeah I’m p much in the same placeIn post 1460, eth0s wrote:
That was my first thought when I received the day started message but I dont like the most likely answer that comes to mind.In post 1424, Menalque wrote:Eth0s are you finding it weird that neither of us is dead?
Then again soas was the first nk so I'm not sure what to make of the NKs yet collectively.
I kinda think the NK was either off us bc scum was worried we might have a protective or it was because I think we’ve been p cohesive and they’re trying to play off paranoia around thatif you're scum I'm going to hate you in post game for taunting me with this lol-
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Okay, shall we do TL then?In post 1517, eth0s wrote:
haven't changed except I'm worried that the replacement fucks up my only viable way to potentially solve the slot.In post 1472, Menalque wrote:
That’s a good point actuallyIn post 1468, Adorable wrote:
eth0s did not want to lynch EP on day 2 and I assumed EP was going to be confirmed next day. I still didn't understand what this was all about.In post 1458, Menalque wrote:Why were you assuming that EP/suji was gonna be confirmed town adorable?
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I mean I don’t think chem derailed the pressure on jjh, I think I did
If chem had said that and we’d insisted on him fleshing out exactly what he’d learned, I think he’d have had to do it
But frankly, I don’t like how much information scum probably already have about people’s roles (I have a couple of ideas and this is my weakest area as a player prob, so I think scum definitely have some solid guesses) and so I didn’t wanna push it because like I said, I don’t really see the motivation scum!chem has in doing it
If there is a traitor and we’re in like 4:8 it could make sense but I think that’s some balance fuckery so I’m gonna ignore it unless we get to 3 lynched scum and the game isn’t over...
I’d rather lynch suji than TL if I’m honest, but I still trust you so I’m willing to let you do your sorting thing there
I liked adorable’s posts so far today even if her content is generally limited
So unless you wanna talk openly about suji!slot and you don’t seem to then I’m just ending up at TL-
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I mean I’m reading them for if something piques my interest but I SR you strongly enough that I don’t really wanna bring you into the solving circle atmIn post 1527, Sujimichi wrote:I feel like posts a make are being ignored, but we'll see.-
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Aren’t we lucky that if TL flips scum we’ll have time to do suji first in case you’re rightIn post 1580, mastina wrote:
Okay so while TL's my strongest scumread I'm like 98% sure the third is Elbirn at this point.In post 1557, Elbirn wrote:I don't understand any of the mastina water stuff and don't care to, someone else figure it out and dumb it down for me later
I don't think I'm getting much out of these conversations and I'd rather find scum based on what elements did this game and how end of day 2 turned out, wish me luck-
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Explain chem thenIn post 1586, Elbirn wrote:Oh hi mena
I still haven't gleaned anything particularly useful but I continue to believe that suji/TL are bad lynches
Scum (JJH/Mastina) tried to build counterwagons on TL and EP yesterday to save bff elements. They're not scum.
Mastina is grasping at straws and JJ was trying to come up with a reason to scumread me because they have to. They have to insist on the PoV that scum bussed because they're fucked otherwise-
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Can u do this now chemIn post 1595, Chemist1422 wrote:Alright then
I have some work to do on a thing but I'll try to dive into this game tonight
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this p much but thank you for doing itIn post 1606, eth0s wrote:Damn I was going to do my own elements iso check for associates since no one else had.I dont particularly agree with some of your conclusions at face valuebut I am on my phone and not able to look into much so I'll expand on this when I'm back at my computer.
I think I will still do an iso analysis on elements myself and see what I find differently than and in addition to what you found.-
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okay, I can wait, but why do you think that her reads are bad today? even if you subtract yourself do you not think the other reads are good?In post 1623, Sujimichi wrote:In post 1622, Elbirn wrote:Suji is mastina going to die tonight or no?
I’m in phone and can explain better later, but I didn’t like her posting after the Elements hammer, and I’m not a fan of her reads today (and overall posting by extension).In post 1621, Menalque wrote:What didn’t you like about it for 1 & 2 ?
if you think they're bad where is the scum? if jjh/mastina, why is chem claiming a soft clear on jjh?-
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In post 1400, Chemist1422 wrote:I don’t want to expand but jjh’s second ability makes him very very likely townIn post 1425, Chemist1422 wrote:I am claiming a softclear on jjh
We should not be hammering him this early, and probably not at allIn post 1432, Chemist1422 wrote:
I rolecopped jjh last nightIn post 1427, Elbirn wrote:
ElaborateIn post 1425, Chemist1422 wrote:I am claiming a softclear on jjh
We should not be hammering him this early, and probably not at all
I know his role is accurate to what he's claiming, and would likely be negative utility for scum
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why does this make a lot more sense?In post 1633, TemporalLich wrote:1627 is... interesting
We'll let that simmer over till tomorrow.
Adorable's ISO weirds me out...
and I actually did manage to find jjh's softclaim in 1393... "weak"? seriously? Gonna have to believe the claim a little for now. This makes jjh look town (and chemist1422 look town if his rolecop claim is right)...
mastina only feels towny, but the opening post is mason with Adorable...
anyway my vote shifts to what makes a lot more sense
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firstly adorable isn't voting anyone as far as I can see from her ISOIn post 1635, TemporalLich wrote:
voting someone with a Weak role (confirmed by a rolecop) doesn't make too much sense don't you think?In post 1634, Menalque wrote:why does this make a lot more sense?
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literally look 7 posts above your post and you'll see chem's argument for clearing jjhIn post 1638, Elbirn wrote:Actually wait, the only reason jjh is "softcleared", which isn't even a thing because you're either cleared or you're not, is because of his modifier that only gives him 1 HP instead of 2?
There isnt some big thing about it that chemist didnt reveal, that's it? Because that's nothing-
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unless we think there are 4 scum in this set up, which honestly seems like too much, then I think jjh/chem/mast all likely town
then I have a TR on eth0s
elbirn I liked end of D2 but a lot less today
adorable is quite empty but I like more today
so there's probably the 2 scum in (TL, suji, elbirn, adorbs) and that's the order I wanna lynch in for now-
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sorry what?In post 1646, TemporalLich wrote:also I anticlaim any sort of investigative role-
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how do these two posts make sense together in your headIn post 1646, TemporalLich wrote:also I anticlaim any sort of investigative role