Mini Theme 2105: Assassins Mafia (Game Over!)

[Definitely Not Scum]

Are you town Pops?

VOTE: popsofctown

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

Pops get back in the neighbor chat, we have many important things to discuss

VOTE: Tris

[Definitely Not Scum]

pops ofc

town,

volxen, help the word spread.

Sujimichi's wagon speaks to me and I want to become one with it.

Flaking from the regular consumption of sake indeed seems very foul.

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

Oh, wow how could I miss that? I guess you must be town then. And you know we definitely aren't scum, so let's work together.

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

We may or may not be in a neighborhood with Pops and Dunn.

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

Don't think too hard! You might hurt yourself

[Definitely Not Scum]

Pops are you not town?

[Definitely Not Scum]

DNS and Pine are the ones who please me far less

can I call DNS DNS server

No...

You may not call us DNS. You can call Kings of the Town because we are Definitely Not Scum.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

If it were a joke, why hesitate? That self-consciousness rings false to me. Town doesn’t need to be inhibited during RVS, so the FOSes are super weird

It might be a playstyle thing for tris. I need to see if she does this sort of thing in other other games. Thoughts on Princess Pops?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

A quick meta dive says that tris doesn't do this as either alignment.

Scum in schadd micro: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=80729 and town in nmsa open: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=80894.

[Definitely Not Scum]

I expect good reads on one another from bit and GIF.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Congrats, you just lined yourself up as “likely scumbud #1”. The Town way to do that meta dive is to declare it simply non-meta, rather than imply it’s innocent.

Isn’t that exactly what I did? I said she doesn’t do it as either alignment ergo not a meta thing.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

You guys can scum read us and all but we can confirm ourselves town so good luck with that.

[Definitely Not Scum]

You’re really stretching that interpretation to make yourself not look bad.

[Definitely Not Scum]

Y’all are so bad at reading obvtown people. I expect it from GIF, but Pine.

[Definitely Not Scum]

You’re really stretching that interpretation to make yourself not look bad.

The fuck are you talking about?

You’re really stretching that interpretation to make yourself not look bad.

The fuck are you talking about?

If something is either meta or not meta, and then I say she doesn’t do it as either alignment, that pretty clearly falls into the not meta category.

You can disagree about the extent of the meta dive being two games, but that’s all you really need to see if this is a meta thing she does.

[Definitely Not Scum]

Y’all are so bad at reading obvtown people. I expect it from GIF, but Pine.

Clearly you don't know how obvtowning works.
Obvtowning means one is towning up without doing odd shit.
Defending a player you are not familiar with by mentioning a playstyle from half-ass meta attempt with 2 games is hella odd at best.

My defense of tris is not a defense. I don’t know why you and Pine have latched onto that word when I declared it nonmeta yet still voted her.

Even if that was a defense, that’s not the reason I’m Obvtown.

[Definitely Not Scum]

My defense of tris is not a defense.

If it wasn't why did you mention the possibility of the playstyle of the player you are unfamiliar with?
Like, "this behavior is (could be) a playstyle" is literally negating Pine's conclusion of "this behavior is scummy." If this is not a defense, I don't know what is.

Ok... and then I declared it wasn’t a playstyle thing... so did I defend her and then not defend her? Is that really what you’re trying to say?

It could be not meta and also a playstyle thing. If tris did this as both alignments it would be not meta and a playstyle thing.

Since tris didn’t do this as either alignment it is not meta and not a playstyle thing.

[Definitely Not Scum]

My defense of tris is not a defense.

If it wasn't why did you mention the possibility of the playstyle of the player you are unfamiliar with?
Like, "this behavior is (could be) a playstyle" is literally negating Pine's conclusion of "this behavior is scummy." If this is not a defense, I don't know what is.

Why did you put parentheses around could be when that’s what I actually said?

[Definitely Not Scum]

I’m not assuming anything when I’m using conditional language like “might be”, list an action that could verify the conditional la gauge, do the action, and then Co firm it wasn’t the conditional.

Like ???

[Definitely Not Scum]

Why did you put parentheses around could be when that’s what I actually said?

Because generalization.
I didn't want to type out "This behavior could be a playstyle" ∈ "This behavior is a playstyle."

You adding parentheses actually changes the entire meaning of the sentence. It changes an outright statement, which is what I made, to an implied statement. You are trying to paint it into a worse light than it actually is.

[Definitely Not Scum]

I’m not assuming anything when I’m using conditional language like “might be”, list an action that could verify the conditional la gauge, do the action, and then Co firm it wasn’t the conditional.

Like ???

All your sematics gets redirected to:

Key point here is that you declared the possibility of it being playstyle before you fact-check it.

Which isn’t scummy. If I had just left it hanging sure, that could be me trying to change the narrative. But I immediately followed up on it.

[Definitely Not Scum]

If I had just left it hanging sure, that could be me trying to change the narrative. But I immediately followed up on it.

It reeks of rushed defense.

You cannot have it both ways dude, but kept chugging along with that tunnel.

[Definitely Not Scum]

GIF: You've shown the inability to read me, so I only ask that you defer to people who actually know how to read me like Firebringer, Pops, Dunnstral, potentially Shadoweh.

[Definitely Not Scum]

You’re awfully sensitive, my dude

I do react harshly to bad scumreads on town me, yes.

[Definitely Not Scum]

GIF: You've shown the inability to read me, so I only ask that you defer to people who actually know how to read me like Firebringer, Pops, Dunnstral, potentially Shadoweh.

Oh I wonder since when I wasn't allowed to make a read on someone that I'm not familiar with.
I guess newbie queue should shut down since it's illegal.

[Definitely Not Scum]

Oh wow, pops is scum. :\

[Definitely Not Scum]

The fact you wanted GiF to defer to the read of one of your scumreads is yet another problem with the way you're acting right now

You only actually became a scum read when you placed that vote

[Definitely Not Scum]

The fact you wanted GiF to defer to the read of one of your scumreads is yet another problem with the way you're acting right now

You in particular have such an overwhelming amount of experience with scum Oversoul that you should know very easily this is not my scum game.

You played against scum Oversoul in Role Call.
You played with scum Oversoul in Dance.
You observed scum Oversoul in Magical Girls.
You modded town Oversoul in Undertale v1.

[Definitely Not Scum]

We aren't dying like I said since we can confirm ourselves town. But I am 95% sure Pops is scum.

[Definitely Not Scum]

We aren't dying like I said since we can confirm ourselves town. But I am 95% sure Pops is scum.

As an added bonus, we can confirm ourselves town toDay so town doesn't even lose anything.

[Definitely Not Scum]

Pine rockets into second place for scum buddy.

[Definitely Not Scum]

Volxen has not posted this 21st day of October, as far as I am aware. Volxen also always signs his posts but I am lazy af.

[Definitely Not Scum]

Minorly because of remembering how much oversoul underrates himself and that he could pull off forgetting how he owned me in role call due to that.

I mostly fooled everyone that game because I made a potentially illegal/against site rules replace out post. From what I could tell that was when the avalanche happened and put the slot into conftown territory erroneously.

[Definitely Not Scum]

Yeah this is not Town!Oversoul

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Please, do back this up.

[Definitely Not Scum]

Wut. You find Volxen easier to read than me? I felt like he was so hard to read in Undertale v1

[Definitely Not Scum]

VC when I’m not lazy. (So never)

lol

[Definitely Not Scum]

You are way better at scum than you think you are Oversoul

volxen didn't post that much total material in Undertale v1 and I think once he has a preponderance of posting he's definitely the more readable of the two of you

Now that you mention undertale though

I should policy lynch volxen because he didn't join this game as a volxen+Adorable hydra

I appreciate the thought but I just disagree. I’m never going to be that scum that will win the game for the team. The u fortunate reality is the fact that I have trash reads and I am thus not ever able to pressure scum so I live long in games is probably my o my good scum attribute. When people see players like Mastina, Nacho, RC, moi, AngryPidgeon living long into games there is a certain “huh. Why are they alive still?” I do not have that burden so it’s never questioned if I live long. It’s just oh Oversoul is having a trash town game as usual. That’s like the one thing I can bring to a team. I’m also pretty good at setup spec so that’s like a plus I can bring too but that doesn’t seem as important anymore since mods make weird games now.

[Definitely Not Scum]

Why the Dunnstral vote?
Why the tris town read off 4 posts?

[Definitely Not Scum]

Lmao Pops. That post is exemplary of why you’re a treat to play with

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

GIF: You've shown the inability to read me, so I only ask that you defer to people who actually know how to read me like Firebringer, Pops, Dunnstral, potentially Shadoweh.

This is a sketchy way to discredit GiF's read since I'm batting .5000 on volxen and 0.000 on Oversoul.
VOTE: Definitely Not Scum

The vast majority of my loss in Role Call was misreading scum Oversoul.
I don't think I learn much about people watching them play when I know their alignment
I didn't watch Magical Girls after I died.
I can swear I misread scum!Oversoul in a game besides rolecall though I can't name it right now.

I'm going to UNVOTE:
Minorly because of remembering how much oversoul underrates himself and that he could pull off forgetting how he owned me in role call due to that.
But mostly because I was almost positive it was volxen posting, and it'd be scummier coming from him

You are way better at scum than you think you are Oversoul

volxen didn't post that much total material in Undertale v1 and I think once he has a preponderance of posting he's definitely the more readable of the two of you

Now that you mention undertale though

I should policy lynch volxen because he didn't join this game as a volxen+Adorable hydra

You backed off of your push on us fairly fast. Why does your realization that it was Oversoul posting change whether you want to push us or not?

Any why are you batting on reading me and not Oversoul? You and I only have a few games together, and we haven't had a game where we were both town and you correctly townread me. In Jingle's newbie setup game, we were both town, but you thought that I was scum until I started making "obvtown" posts after I was hammered. And in Starcraft III you were town and I was scum, and you had me in your POE, but you weren't supremely confident that I was scum either. Given that and the fact that you have more history with Oversoul than with me, what makes you so confident that I am going to be easier to read than him?

If you make an exception for Undertale 3, a Volxen+Adorable hydra could be in the realm of possibility.

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

I do not like this. VOTE: DNS

Reading further, it sounds like this is what Oversoul is like maybe? Is it common for him to be like this?

I'll move my vote back to VOTE: Pine. I don't understand his scumread on me.

Why vote for us in the first place if you are just going to immediately put your vote back on Pine in the same post?

pops seems a little towny.

What do you find towny about Pops?

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

I -locktowned- Oversoul when he was scum in Role Call. That is a far cry from not pushing you hard enough in StarCraft.

You were very much in my top scumreads in StarCraft, you're conflating being preoccupied with other elements of the game with not scumreading you. Day 1 you were scummy but I was mistakenly scumreading chennis even moreso. Day 2 we lynched a mechanical guilty. Day 3 I spent all my time trying to make sure Liger wasn't mislynched because yes I was more sure Liger was town than that you were scum but that says more about Liger than you. Day 4 I was not in the game because I was mislynched for saving Liger. There just wasn't a spot to push you. I was shading Stealth Hydra to the exclusion of you some, and he also flipped scum.


It shouldn't be that hard to follow why which head is posting impacts my read. You're not an omgussy player you were quite the opposite in ONewbie

That might explain why Oversoul is hard-to-read for you, but it still doesn't explain your confidence in reading me specifically based on our history together. In our two games together, you scumread me in both games regardless of my alignment. What makes you confident that you will be able to easily identify town!me, given that you apparently found my towngame scummy in Jingle's newbie setup game?

And also this Roll Call game aside, I think that Oversoul's playstyle lends itself to "obvtowning" much more so than my own. For example, some of the "crazy shenanigans" that Oversoul pulled in Undertale 1 played a large part in why a lot of people were able to correctly townread him in that game.

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

Assassin mech is actually related to our confirming mechanic, so while I agree in principle, in our particular case I think it’s pro-town. That said, acting to achieve it explicitly is not in our game plan.

Emo MySpace huh. That’s good

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Assassin mech is actually related to our confirming mechanic, so while I agree in principle, in our particular case I think it’s pro-town.

Ugh, not a fan of this.

If you can't actually confirm yourself right now, but might be able to later, what was the point in saying you could confirm yourself town?

Actually, never mind. I'm pretty sure that's also fake, then.

No, I think your misinterpreting it. Whether or not we successfully kill our assassin target is not how we can confirm ourselves. However, why we are confirmed town and how we can do it is tangentially related to the assassin mechanic itself.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

The vast majority of my loss in Role Call was misreading scum Oversoul.
I don't think I learn much about people watching them play when I know their alignment
I didn't watch Magical Girls after I died.
I can swear I misread scum!Oversoul in a game besides rolecall though I can't name it right now.

I'm going to UNVOTE:
Minorly because of remembering how much oversoul underrates himself and that he could pull off forgetting how he owned me in role call due to that.
But mostly because I was almost positive it was volxen posting, and it'd be scummier coming from him

GIF: You've shown the inability to read me, so I only ask that you defer to people who actually know how to read me like Firebringer, Pops, Dunnstral, potentially Shadoweh.

This is a sketchy way to discredit GiF's read since I'm batting .5000 on volxen and 0.000 on Oversoul.
VOTE: Definitely Not Scum

I am not confident in reading you. I said in an earlier post that I am not happy with batting .5000 on reading you.

I said you're easier to read than someone who obliterated me as scum.

Readability summary:
volxen = olde englishe
oversoul = wingdings

Spoiler: la

You seem quite hung up on my unvoting what was very obviously a joke vote...

It had nothing to do with your joke vote nor the unvote actually. It had to do with literally everything except them, in fact.

The post I was talking about in that post reeked of wine, which is generally going to be enough to get me to look at you, but probably not vote until we can sort out the wine first.

aka the cowerdice. Why not vote her to sort that wine out yourself?

Why should I seriously vote four pages in? I know nothing of her except what I've seen for a few pages, so to me it's more worth waiting to see how someone acts normally to establish a baseline before applying any pressure when confronted with a player I don't know.

As an aside, past the wine I don't find pops particularly scummy.

Most of DNS's defence has felt genuinely awful, being mostly OMGUS and wine without any real substance beyond "You guys are wrong because I'm town and I can prove it during the day even with only two votes on me". It's been really bad and seems like an extreme overreaction to just putting two votes down, so back on I go.

It's awful sure
But is it scummy?

"I can prove myself as locktown in the day" as what appears to be a first line of defence feels like panicked scum, especially with one of the heads' admittance of "not being good at scum". Definitely feels like the best lead so far.

lady angel
you have a pokemon avatar
and it reminds me of sunkern and sunflora
so i like it
i think it might be the same generation as sunkern and sunflora
just the one that is better at drowsing to sleeps ans stun spore instead of healsing and solar beam
but i'm not sure
if your avatar is secretly after gen 3
speak now or forever hold your peeace
but dont speak now
speak silent
use
the silence
because i will buddy you less
because i dislike gen four and after
lie to me
and say it's pkmn rubies
that's how to pocket me
lady angel
i empathize with your post
because you seem frustrated with wine
or maybe not frustrated
but that you are explaining to gif
that it is on one side of the table
and on the other side of the table there is other stuff
like when i have friends over for board games
and on one side of the table
there is vodka
and on the other side
there is artifact cards that cost influence points
and stuff
but what i'm getting at
i feel bad
for your WIFOM experience
i think it is antitown to induce wifom
because wifom is not the only way or best way or 3rd best way to sort
but townie or scum can trigger it at any time
i have triggered it
but not for wifom itself it is just i am stressed out about games where i am not impactful and i lose
so i am sorry
i am gonna try to play more straight shooter
from here
for help
but listen
i think you are scumreading oversoul for being emo myspace "i'm obvscum" scum
and that is actually just oversoul
being emo myspace "i'm obvscum scum"
cause like
people who think they are really bad at scum
falsely
think they have no scumrange
so if they post something like
"blueberry pancakes are better than plain panckaes"
which is objectively true
they feel like they should be townlocked
immediately
and that is kind of the oversoul status
of this game
atm
but actually oversoul is better than he thinks at scum
and actually putting honey on his pancakes and pretending it is good
is disgusting
but he thinks ppl think its normal
so he doesn't understand how impressive he is
that he can eat that
without regurgitating it
like a heavy excessively sweet layer of honey
anyway
i think you should wait for more vollxen posting
before wagoning Not all DNS servers are scum
plus GiF wnats you to do that and I am shifyt eyes at him
I wam not even sure if he is scum he might be scum or town who cares a lot about his bounty i don't even know
but
you can read volxen with more times
please calculate
i'm gonna spoiler this cause idk how many times i hit return at this point it feels like lot
but fan the solar rays uponst thge shadowy dark type pokemonss lady grass grass
keep an eye on DNS server is ok but oversoul omgus is in the fairy nature
i think this game has good starts
Pine is the darker image of the coward status
Gif is antitown for assasin bonus objective of mafki
single posters hide hidden lies of wariness
regularly consume iron
gn

Pops how do you go from claiming no understanding of my play to accurately psychoanalyzing me?

[Definitely Not Scum]

I am not confident in reading you. I said in an earlier post that I am not happy with batting .5000 on reading you.

I said you're easier to read than someone who obliterated me as scum.

Readability summary:
volxen = olde englishe
oversoul = wingdings

I still think that it’s suspicious how quickly you backed off of your push on us. And how you are claiming that you originally voted for us because you thought that I was making the posts that Oversoul was making (and that somehow those posts would be more scummy coming from me than from him), and then you only unvoted us only upon realizing that it was Oversoul posting all along. You are familiar with both Oversoul and I (especially Oversoul), and we have very different posting styles. I don’t think that it’s easy to mix the two of us up. Why did you think that I was making those posts?

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

Do you really think even if I were scum I would lie about extra stuff I don't have to lie about in order to back off of a scumread? As scum I can pick any reason I want so why make a web of lies and just give myself the chance to forget which thread goes where?

But since you think I am -so familiar- with posting styles and there is too much dramatic irony here I trawled for all the examples of me not telling hydra heads apart and getting teased and or trolled for it. No in hindsight it was not worth the time, apparently town don't reconsider their positions in light of new information, I have recently learned that, and I townread you right now so I already know this was an exercise in futility. Vanity? No exercise in the opposite of vanity. Self deprecation! that's the word. The word that sounds like you're crumpling up a coke can but it bends in just the right places so that sound is satisfying.

Spoiler: pops alt-hunter extroadinaire

Hidden Happiness
You do know you're talking to a list mod who knows this very well right? I don't think momo would be stupid enough to do that. Obviously he was getting tr for hyper posting so why wouldn't scum him keep doing that? If anything the fact he started lurking I would think would be reason to tr him but maybe I'm dumb!~All Maria
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popsofctown

No, I don't, because you're playing a hydra and are not signing your posts
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Hidden Happiness

Is it really that hard to tell us apart? I feel like we don't need to sign because of how clear it is.~Maria
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popsofctown
Jack of All Trades



popsofctown
Jack of All Trades



Yeah I thought both the last two posts were Shadoweh. I don't put lots of energy into learning to alt hunt. Scumhunting is more fun
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Hidden Happiness


I think the way the game shifting the red on momo is pretty meh. But considering it is 3 scum it's not impossible for thread to shift. But if the logic is that it's because momo lurked to me that just doesn't make sense. If momo made scummy posts by all means please bring them to my attention because otherwise we're being dumb rn
pedit: Yeah no you're talking to the better hydra head rn

I feel like if I was good at hydra hunting I'd be able to figure out a head but I'm totally not so bleh.

You can take a guess at one of our identities, I'll confirm it honestly if correct

Nah

I might queue with you again, I agree with Cephrir that it's ideal for secret alts to be fully secret for fully out.

I don't even have a strong guess anyway

Please sign posts when you can, to the hydra accounts.

To quote a post I said last game: Pops how can you not tell between me and my partner? I feel like we're blatantly obvious.
~Celica

You’re acting as though it’s too far-fetched for scum!you to fake misunderstanding which of our heads was posting so that you could justify backing out of a bad push on our slot after you realized that it was a mistake. I disagree that it’s too far-fetched. Yes, there are other fake reason(s) scum!you could have come up with to justify backing out of your push on us, but so what? Pretending to have mixed Oversoul and I up gives you an easy out on that front – there’s no need for scum!you to come up with anything more elaborate to justify backing out of your push on us. And since you apparently think that Oversoul’s posts are towny coming from him but those same posts would have been scummy coming from me, I don’t get why you didn’t simply ask which head was posting up front, rather than defaulting to assuming that I was writing the posts and then voting for our slot solely on that basis.

What exactly is the basis of your townread on our slot? Are you individually townreading both my posts and Oversoul’s posts?

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

Vote: Definitely Not Scum

The name compels me.

I haven't seen anything particularly scummy these few pages in but post #53 bothers me a little.

Vote: Definitely Not Scum

The name compels me.

I haven't seen anything particularly scummy these few pages in but post #53 bothers me a little.

RVS ends when you have a read that feels real

kind of like
my rights end
where your rights begin
i'm not touching you
i'm not touching you
you know

you should vote me

That's the thing, though. 53 and this makes me feel like you want to be voted, which naturally makes me a little worried about actually voting you because due to the amount of wine involved in something like this, so I'd rather hold off until things develop a bit more.

That being said, UNVOTE:

Hmm I detect cowardice.

You seem quite hung up on my unvoting what was very obviously a joke vote...

The post I was talking about in that post reeked of wine, which is generally going to be enough to get me to look at you, but probably not vote until we can sort out the wine first.

Most of DNS's defence has felt genuinely awful, being mostly OMGUS and wine without any real substance beyond "You guys are wrong because I'm town and I can prove it during the day even with only two votes on me". It's been really bad and seems like an extreme overreaction to just putting two votes down, so back on I go.

VOTE: DefinitelyNotScum

This one stays until they come up with a good defence.

As an aside, I have both work and a class on mondays, so I probably won't be around again for the remainder of the day.

What exactly are you expecting us to "defend" at this point?

You seem quite hung up on my unvoting what was very obviously a joke vote...

It had nothing to do with your joke vote nor the unvote actually. It had to do with literally everything except them, in fact.

The post I was talking about in that post reeked of wine, which is generally going to be enough to get me to look at you, but probably not vote until we can sort out the wine first.

aka the cowerdice. Why not vote her to sort that wine out yourself?

Why should I seriously vote four pages in? I know nothing of her except what I've seen for a few pages, so to me it's more worth waiting to see how someone acts normally to establish a baseline before applying any pressure when confronted with a player I don't know.

As an aside, past the wine I don't find pops particularly scummy.

Most of DNS's defence has felt genuinely awful, being mostly OMGUS and wine without any real substance beyond "You guys are wrong because I'm town and I can prove it during the day even with only two votes on me". It's been really bad and seems like an extreme overreaction to just putting two votes down, so back on I go.

It's awful sure
But is it scummy?

"I can prove myself as locktown in the day" as what appears to be a first line of defence feels like panicked scum, especially with one of the heads' admittance of "not being good at scum". Definitely feels like the best lead so far.

Why do you think that Oversoul's bit about being able to prove that our slot is town is more likely to come from "panicked" scum!Oversoul than town!Oversoul?


- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

If it were a joke, why hesitate? That self-consciousness rings false to me. Town doesn’t need to be inhibited during RVS, so the FOSes are super weird

It might be a playstyle thing for tris. I need to see if she does this sort of thing in other other games. Thoughts on Princess Pops?

- OS

Pops is usually a blatant read, but she hasn’t really started playing yet. Patience.

A quick meta dive says that tris doesn't do this as either alignment.

Scum in schadd micro: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=80729 and town in nmsa open: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=80894.

Congrats, you just lined yourself up as “likely scumbud #1”. The Town way to do that meta dive is to declare it simply non-meta, rather than imply it’s innocent.

Congrats, you just lined yourself up as “likely scumbud #1”. The Town way to do that meta dive is to declare it simply non-meta, rather than imply it’s innocent.

Isn’t that exactly what I did? I said she doesn’t do it as either alignment ergo not a meta thing.

- OS

No.

Oh fine. “She doesn’t do this” is in fact different from “It’s not a meta tell”. The first biases the reader to judge tris innocent by implying that her strange posting isn’t a pattern and therefore is genuine. The second is a neutral comment without predisposition.

And I mean wow, the blatant OMGUS

VOTE: DNS

Methinks the t-shirt doth protest too much

Yeah this is not Town!Oversoul

Is your scumread on our slot contingent on Tris being scum? Your whole argument here seems to be that scum!Oversoul came up with this "meta defense" to help out scum!Tris.

Also, we haven't OMGUS voted anyone in this game.


- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

Does Pine actively lurk as scum? He hasn't posted in this game in almost two days, but he has been posting consistently elsewhere on site during his absence from this game.

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

UNVOTE:

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

I’m here and reading. I don’t really have much to add at this moment.

You don't have any thoughts on Pops, Pine, or my slot?

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

Sorry about things, I'd been busy yesterday.

Also, most of the people I care most about sorting aren't really here, so that also is inconvenient.

Well, bitbringer, care to respond (in case you missed my 165)?

Anyways, DNS, questions for you, since you seem to be the only one around that I'm interested in.

Why did you unvote Pine earlier? And are you scumreading tris? Also, what was the point of saying that you can confirm yourself town and claiming you had a neighbourhood so early?

I kind of think this is town tris, but I've really only played one game with her, so I'll have to look more into her scum games.

I didn't unvote Pine, as we never voted for him. Oversoul voted for Tris earlier, and I removed the vote as I don't think that Tris is scum. I don't think that Oversoul is scumreading her anymore either, but he's V/LA so I haven't been able to touch base with him yet. Oversoul was the one who talked about us being able to confirm that we are town, and it has to do with our role and the neighborhood.


- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

Spoiler: Cheat sheet

Town
Pops
Tris
GiF
--
Lady Angel
Weh
Dunn
Suji
Abu
--
NaCl
DNS
Bitbringer
Pine
Scum

Where I'm tentatively at, wouldn't be shocked to be wrong about one of those townreads (see: previous post) but I digress

Why is Bitbringer so low on your readslist?

And why is LA so much higher up in relation to Pine? I think that Pine's push on our slot is more believable than LA's push on our slot. In particular:

Vote: Definitely Not Scum

The name compels me.

I haven't seen anything particularly scummy these few pages in but post #53 bothers me a little.

Vote: Definitely Not Scum

The name compels me.

I haven't seen anything particularly scummy these few pages in but post #53 bothers me a little.

RVS ends when you have a read that feels real

kind of like
my rights end
where your rights begin
i'm not touching you
i'm not touching you
you know

you should vote me

That's the thing, though. 53 and this makes me feel like you want to be voted, which naturally makes me a little worried about actually voting you because due to the amount of wine involved in something like this, so I'd rather hold off until things develop a bit more.

That being said, UNVOTE:

Hmm I detect cowardice.

You seem quite hung up on my unvoting what was very obviously a joke vote...

The post I was talking about in that post reeked of wine, which is generally going to be enough to get me to look at you, but probably not vote until we can sort out the wine first.

Most of DNS's defence has felt genuinely awful, being mostly OMGUS and wine without any real substance beyond "You guys are wrong because I'm town and I can prove it during the day even with only two votes on me". It's been really bad and seems like an extreme overreaction to just putting two votes down, so back on I go.

VOTE: DefinitelyNotScum

This one stays until they come up with a good defence.

As an aside, I have both work and a class on mondays, so I probably won't be around again for the remainder of the day.

You seem quite hung up on my unvoting what was very obviously a joke vote...

It had nothing to do with your joke vote nor the unvote actually. It had to do with literally everything except them, in fact.

The post I was talking about in that post reeked of wine, which is generally going to be enough to get me to look at you, but probably not vote until we can sort out the wine first.

aka the cowerdice. Why not vote her to sort that wine out yourself?

Why should I seriously vote four pages in? I know nothing of her except what I've seen for a few pages, so to me it's more worth waiting to see how someone acts normally to establish a baseline before applying any pressure when confronted with a player I don't know.

As an aside, past the wine I don't find pops particularly scummy.

Most of DNS's defence has felt genuinely awful, being mostly OMGUS and wine without any real substance beyond "You guys are wrong because I'm town and I can prove it during the day even with only two votes on me". It's been really bad and seems like an extreme overreaction to just putting two votes down, so back on I go.

It's awful sure
But is it scummy?

"I can prove myself as locktown in the day" as what appears to be a first line of defence feels like panicked scum, especially with one of the heads' admittance of "not being good at scum". Definitely feels like the best lead so far.

The bolded part feels highly exaggerated, if not fake. I'm not convinced that town!LA immediately jumps to the conclusion that Oversoul is not only scum, but "panicked scum" that concocted a story about being able to confirm that our slot is town in response to us getting 2/7 votes. Finding Oversoul's response scummy is one thing, but her framing Oversoul's posts as "panicked scum" feels forced/exaggerated. There is no reason for scum!Oversoul to "panic" over receiving 2/7 votes, and there is no consideration on her part that Oversoul said what he said simply because we are town and can prove as much through our role and the neighborhood.

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

LA is obvtown

She is not even close to being obvtown.

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

VOTE: Pine

Why the vote?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Why did you unvote Pine earlier? And are you scumreading tris? Also, what was the point of saying that you can confirm yourself town and claiming you had a neighbourhood so early?

I kind of think this is town tris, but I've really only played one game with her, so I'll have to look more into her scum games.

I was scumreading tris earlier, but her recent posts have made me think she is more likely town. I claimed the conftown thing because I have a habit of drawing a lot of votes for no reason so I didn't want the drama of dealing with that. The neighborhood thing because transparency.

I have not played with LA before.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

I think unwnd is townie so far.

VOTE: Pine

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

VOTE: Pine

Why the vote?

- OS

I think unwnd is townie so far.

VOTE: Pine

- OS

This seems a bit odd to me. Why the vote?

Wagons are good and I could see Pine being scum here. Would you mind answering my question?
- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

I thought DNS was just a liar, regardless of alignment. You don't have to be scum to lie, I do it on occasion.

This is a fair analysis of the OS half of this hydra to be fair. But I was not lying.

I like my vote on NaCl better but I endorse this product or service.

I'm townreading NaCL. If I hadn't read your posts on why NaCL is scum because your posts are filled with long spoilers, what would you tell me is the reason you scum read NaCL? I promise you that I have read your posts including the long spoilers.

"I could see Pine being scum here" is a bizarre way to phrase it. He's better than rand to flip scum because he's playing other games, and even if 1/3rd is a better rate than people who halfway trust tell on their replace rates it's probably a bit worse if a larger sample could exist.

But like what's with the "I could see".

I could see means there is a world where Pine is scum for his actions thus far in the game.

Since he has been force replaced, I am reconsidering my opinion on him. He is active elsewhere on site, so it is odd that he is being force replaced. Additionally, I know he takes pride in his scum game. It is why he willingly (what a madman) signs up to be a scum treestump every year.

What kind of sane person does that?

I agree with Abu that his vote on me is very ???
He couched the vote in a meta analysis on me and I haven't played with Pine in years. I am also thinking that he is not one to use meta. I cant remember if I made that up in a fever dream or if it is reality. If someone more familiar with Pine could help me find his thoughts on meta, I would greatly appreciate it.


- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Not saying you shouldn’t but so far nothing tells me it is real. The posts you gave was exceptionally shallow for saying it was scummy.

I don't like the fact that you did not counter the overall thought of you being scum, just that Dunnstral has bad reasons for scum reading you.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Is this Bitmap? Is this another one of your legendary shit scumreads?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Not trying to start a fight, just asking a question

I am good. How are you FB?

Do you townread me unequivocally yet?

[Definitely Not Scum]

Not trying to start a fight, just asking a question

I am good. How are you FB?

Do you townread me unequivocally yet?

I am recovering from sickness.

I don't townread u yet. I am a bit annoyed at ur questioning to my teammate but i don't feel like getting all white knight in on this game. He is a big boy and can defend his own reads.

hmmm
Why don't you townread me yet?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

From what you know about my scum game? Probably. I do admit that my activity has not been my trade mark town activity though.

What if I told you that Dunnstral was town? Who would your next scumread be?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Oversoul ur posts have been very stale tonewise. Not sure what you think is making you townie here.

You read me based on tone? Hmm. I think that's the generally the wrong way to read me, in most cases.

[Definitely Not Scum]

What if I told you that Dunnstral was town? Who would your next scumread be?

i feel like i know funnstral the best out of everyone in this game, and probably vice versa. Though I think town him isnt good at sorting me either I think this is not how it would be done.

That's nice. But what if I told you he was town?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

VOTE: Bitbringer

[Definitely Not Scum]

wait is this is a reaction test?

oof. Just reinforcing my vote on you.

[Definitely Not Scum]

Who are your scum buddies, bitbringer?

Is it Pops? We have been thinking her read on NaCL is pretty trash for a while now.

Speaking of... @unwnd, why are you scumreading NaCL?

[Definitely Not Scum]

LA is obvtown

She is not even close to being obvtown.

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

maybe this was townie.

naah, i think i just jive with that opinion. Could be scum opinion. Back to 'no read'.

If you agree with the opinion, why does that make it a scum opinion? That... doesn't seem to make sense if you're town.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Who are your scum buddies, bitbringer?

Is it Pops? We have been thinking her read on NaCL is pretty trash for a while now.

Speaking of... @unwnd, why are you scumreading NaCL?

pops is my scum buddy but don't tell anyone

also Dunn is my scum buddy too, i'm just busing him

-bit

Dang you crumbled fast. Rough start for your team.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

I find it interesting that opinions you mostly agree with mean those people are not town.
Is that a subtle projection of your alignment?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

I find it interesting that opinions you mostly agree with mean those people are not town.
Is that a subtle projection of your alignment?

- OS

where in the fuck are u getting this from?

You told Dunnstral that you haven't done anything townie, but you are now calling him scum for voting you based on reading your posts as not being very townie. That seems contradictory.

You agree with Volxen's opinion that LA is not obvtown, but it is apparently not a town opinion despite you also coming to that opinion. If you're town, that seems contradictory.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

in my case, i don't like the way he's townreading me. but, that's apparently not the head who's here right now.actually

Who were you responding to in this quote? That quote you quoted seems to be very buddy-that-needs-a-way-onto-the-wagon-esque.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

None of that contradicts if you pay attention to what I said and I really don't feel like I should need to explain this because even in this own post this contradicts what

you just said to me that I am townreading people based solely on their opinions agreeing with me

which you didn't fucking demonstrate in this very post.

Is the bolded at typo? I never said you were townreading people based on their opinions agreeing with you. I said something very different.

I said you are scumreading people despite their opinions agreeing with your opinions.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

In the large scheme of things I am saying theres nothing wrong with a scumread on me if I believe it is genuine.

You haven't shown that and are continually not showing sorting

.

Do you really believe the bolded?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

In the large scheme of things I am saying theres nothing wrong with a scumread on me if I believe it is genuine.

You haven't shown that and are continually not showing sorting

.

Do you really believe the bolded?

- OS

1 million percent.

So you believe the bolded, despite Dunnstral linking a game you thought he did something where he posted only 11 times the entire game.

It's funny because in that game Dunnstral also caught scum you instantly.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

i actually remarked in the scumthread about dunny in that game that there was no way I was going to get him to townread me because he always scumreads me. So you could take that for what its worth. Which I think is worthless.

So if it is his default status against you, why is it scum in this game? By your own admission, it seems like it should be not alignment indicative.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

You bet I believe it.

and i don't care about that game and didn't pay attention to dunny in it.

I think Dunnstral providing that game and making the implicit assertion that it is ridiculous to say he did something in that game despite only posting 11 times to be sorting your current motivations.

He even said your read was fake based off the reasoning implicit reasoning that Dunnstral is not doing something here, but did something in the game he linked. That very much looks like sorting.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

It is so weird to talk about people as if they would talk about themselves in the third person. :thonk:
I'm not going to do that anymore because it's just very messy.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

I think Dunnstral providing that game and making the implicit assertion that it is ridiculous to say he did something in that game despite only posting 11 times to be sorting your current motivations.

definitely not.

How is that not sorting?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

What is sorting in your opinion, then?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

getting inside a persons head to figure out their state of mind and figuring out their alignment based on that. Its actively probing. Dunny isn't actively probing for anything.

Does he ever actively probe for anything...?

It doesn't look like he was actively probing in the Guns and Roses game you linked. For as someone as aware of Dunnstral's habits towards you, they seem very surface level and predicated on your obsession that he always scumreads you.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

What if I said you're both town?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

What if I said trust me?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

I mean Pops is a spicey scum read. You could probe there. Do you agree with her opinion about NaCL? Volxen and I do not. We think NaCL is one of the more townie slots in the game.

[Definitely Not Scum]

Wowee that’s a lot of flailing.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

As part of my petty revenge tour, I don’t think I’m ever not voting bitbringer. Sorry you had to get caught in the cross fire, FB.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Like I’m just gonna do dumb shit all game, self hammer, and scumread a single slot all game. That seems to be the play these days.

[Definitely Not Scum]

You know what, lets meme it up.

VOTE: Oversoul

Bitbringer is confscum now.

That was easy

[Definitely Not Scum]

fire told me to shitpost in this thread

none of u know my town meta

OS you've done nothing town worthy and sadly that gives you more town equity as I've learned from Baton Pass

im having problems adapting to this game

Your slot hasn’t been scumhunting. Just reacting to pressure on you. That’s scummy.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

I'm sorry, I'll be sure to extensively use AtE from now on and coast while mud slinging instead of scumhunting aka "reacting to pressure when a majority of the player list scum reads us so u can't really say it's reacting to pressure".

Still
Better than self hammering as town. Hitoshrug

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

I dont think OS is actually scum but if he wants to fight me this game too I'll do it.

-bit

I mean I have a mason buddy to back me up so be my guest.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Assassins Mafia: Kill The Lurkers Edition

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Someday bitbringer will post something that actually makes me want to not vote them, but until that day comes I feel disincentivized to actually post more things :thonk:

OS haven't you won a bunch of games as scum lately, why are you depressed?

I’ve won 3/5 scum games since I’ve returned. One was a game I replaced into and just kinda... died but won because LLD trapped Katsuki with a mason claim. I don’t like playing scum. I don’t like lying to people. I much rather win as town, but people refuse to acknowledge obvtowniness when they see it. I just lost a game I spent a considerable amount of time making myself obvtownie. After which several townies told me that it was good that I lost because I needed to learn a lesson not to use AtE. Talk about toxic.

[Definitely Not Scum]

Bitbringer should claim though since at this point they are just going to be the deadline kill.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Pls don't kill me I am lurking to enjoy city delights

I will get you a whimsicott plushie from the ny Pokemon center

You’re not a lurker but people like Suijimichi will not be so lucky.

[Definitely Not Scum]

oversoul ur acting like a child.

-fire

I’m not gonna pretend revenge against Bitmap didn’t factor into my push on your slot, but it wasn’t the main reasoning behind the initial vote and your slot has only continued to scum it up in response to the pressure. Vote intensity increased because of rage, but the vote stays because of your own scummy actions. You can try to shade my vote as being petty or my actions as childish to discredit the vote, but at this point it’s just making you look worse.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

We will see when you flip. It’s just interesting that at 114 posts you don’t have type of strong reads whatsoever. And you’re a hydra. Feels fake.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Who the fuck has "strong" reads on Day 1 at 24 pages? At best they should be adequate reads unless you peg all scum on D1.

By strong read I mean any sort of read that isn't voting someone you explicitly state is not a scumread...

VOTE: shadoweh

^ not a scumread. I just got nothing rn.

fire told me to shitpost in this thread

none of u know my town meta

OS you've done nothing town worthy and sadly that gives you more town equity as I've learned from Baton Pass

im having problems adapting to this game

I dont think OS is actually scum but if he wants to fight me this game too I'll do it.

-bit

You know what, lets meme it up.

VOTE: Oversoul

Like if you're town, voting people you do not scum read is antitown.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Y'all should vote LA with me. It's going to be fun.

P-Edit: Ah yes tyty

Why should we be voting LA, exactly?

[Definitely Not Scum]

I am about to drop a case on bitbringer the likes of which this site hasn't seen for years. It's some vintage Oversoul (minus the AtE).

[Definitely Not Scum]

2. Takes like 4 days to post something about

• containing at least one scum. First of all, it's a lazy read in a scummy way. Second of all, she didn't even vote on in the list and just fense-sat in that post. And lastly, being able to list the names of importance suggests that she read enough of the thread. And yet the content was so lacking.

Could you quote the post in question?

[Definitely Not Scum]

fb told me that OS is playing like shit b/c he lost in Baton Pass because he thought he was playing super pro-town but wasn't really

-bit

Continue with the ad hom attacks on me while at the same time calling me the childish one, please. Hypocrisy is a good color on your slot.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

I'm alive.

If the argument for the bikes not being public transportation is that you have to pay for them, what would that make buses?

I would guess that there's at least one scum in Bitbringer/Tris/Shadoweh, with tris being the least likely, but I'm not exactly sure how to go about telling it yet.

Why do I need to fetch things when she only has 6 posts

She actually has 5.

This is a good point, though. Interestingly enough if LA is scum, this is also further proof that bitbringer is probably scum.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

oversoul ur acting like a child.

-fire

I’m not gonna pretend revenge against Bitmap didn’t factor into my push on your slot, but it wasn’t the main reasoning behind the initial vote and your slot has only continued to scum it up in response to the pressure. Vote intensity increased because of rage, but the vote stays because of your own scummy actions. You can try to shade my vote as being petty or my actions as childish to discredit the vote, but at this point it’s just making you look worse.

- OS

i dont think you know how to read me so you should be honest and just say it's 100% revenge

You're living in a revisionist world if you seriously believe this read is 100% fueled by revenge. Let's talk a walk down quote strip lane.

Spoiler: Quote Strip Lane

VOTE: dunnstral

I don't believe funnstrals scumread on me. Feels fake.

Not saying you shouldn’t but so far nothing tells me it is real. The posts you gave was exceptionally shallow for saying it was scummy.

I don't like the fact that you did not counter the overall thought of you being scum, just that Dunnstral has bad reasons for scum reading you.

- OS

Here we have bitbringer's vote on Dunnstral, followed up by bitbringer's reasoning for voting Dunnstral. He will go on to defend this v ote in a variety of ways. Essentially, the vote is because town!Dunnstral would not be reading bitbringer's posts as scummy as thisgame!Dunnstral currently is reading them (and voting them as a result). This logic has already been exposed as weak. Spurious at best. bitbringer itself has additionally has admitted the logic is bad. It still does not dissuade them from continuing to vote Dunnstral until I soft information about Dunnstral's alignment. This is a classic scum move that wants to look like they are trying to sort someone out, when in reality, they are just digging in because its easier to OMGUS someone rather than actually scumhunt. Stay tuned.

You're saying that you're not saying that I should not be scumreading you, explicitly

nope, i said that post wasn't how town!you would be reading it. But you are trying to pretend ur being town!you. I think you not understanding what I am saying shows u aren't trying to understand my point and goes more towards my point this is scum!you trying to feign town!you and being argumentative rather than sorting.

Yeah. I am pretty sure this is scum!dunn

As I said earlier, this is bitbringer saying if Dunnstral was town, he would be reading them differently. This is an important fact to remember as you read the rest of this quote strip (and pretty much bitbringer's iso in its entirety).

Not saying you shouldn’t but so far nothing tells me it is real. The posts you gave was exceptionally shallow for saying it was scummy.

I don't like the fact that you did not counter the overall thought of you being scum, just that Dunnstral has bad reasons for scum reading you.

- OS

Because I don't scumread people for just scumreading me and I am not trying to counter scumreads on myself. I am trying to counter fake scumreads. If someone has a scumread on me that I believe is genuine, i am not going to argue with them about it. I don't think I am arguing with dunn about his scumread other than I don't believe its real.

This is also an important post to remember from bitbringer. They are explicitly stating they do not scum read people just for scumreading them, just trying to go after fake reads. You'll notice the peculiar absence of bitbringer ever saying my read on them was fake, yet they vote me. Additionally, they vote me AFTER beliving my soft claim on their original scumread, Dunnstral. That... just... doesn't make sense. No matter how you parse it.

I don't think I am arguing with dunn about his scumread other than I don't believe its real.

this needs correction: I mean I am not trying to counter a scumread, just that the person behind it is not being sincere in it.

bitbringer further reinforces their position that they are scumreading Dunnstral for thinking his read on them is fake. Again, you will never once see them refer to my read on them as fake and still vote me despite likely believing that I am a mason.

I'm leaning town on tris for now due to genuine attempt to look for scum.

yeah idgi

Personally, I think the original read on tris is weak and fencesitting. The fact that the bitbringer hydra is openly defying that read furthers the position that the read, coming from that slot, is a fencesitting read. If anyone's reads are fake, it is bitbringer's read. Tris even calls out bitbringer on making this townlean read on her. She herself does not think she's been townie enough to warrant such a read, yet bitbringer believes so.

Is this Bitmap? Is this another one of your legendary shit scumreads?

- OS

This is the first indication of Baton Pass in this game. In that game, bitmap tunneled on me the entire game for crap reasons. In this post, I am putting his read on Dunnstral in the spotlight because from Volxen and I's perspective, it looks like crap.

Not trying to start a fight, just asking a question

I am good. How are you FB?

Do you townread me unequivocally yet?

bitbringer defaults to a hostile attitude towards me when I called bitmap's read shit. This attitude will continue.

Not trying to start a fight, just asking a question

I am good. How are you FB?

Do you townread me unequivocally yet?

I am recovering from sickness.

I don't townread u yet. I am a bit annoyed at ur questioning to my teammate but i don't feel like getting all white knight in on this game. He is a big boy and can defend his own reads.

By this point in the game, my slot at the very least deserves a townlean read in equivalent strength to the tris read. Yet there is no townread there at all. I think this is bitbringer hoping this game goes like Baton Pass when it comes to reading me. Me being obvtown, but the rest of the town sticking their heads in the sand about it.

LA is obvtown

She is not even close to being obvtown.

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

maybe this was townie.

naah, i think i just jive with that opinion. Could be scum opinion. Back to 'no read'.

As I have already pointed out, this post does not really make sense. bitbringer defends their position by saying scum and town can have the same opinions, despite it being more likely that if they were town, they came to the same conclusion as another player in the game making it at least more likely that player has the same town mindset. Still not townlean.

Oversoul ur posts have been very stale tonewise. Not sure what you think is making you townie here.

From what you know about my scum game? Probably. I do admit that my activity has not been my trade mark town activity though.

What if I told you that Dunnstral was town? Who would your next scumread be?

- OS

This is me asking bitbringer again about the read on me. They respond by saying my tone has been stale. The obvious reason for that is that I am in a hydra and trying to present a unified front. It does not appear that that thought ever crossed bitbringer's mind. Even still, I think with someone expressed such confidence in reading me in Baton Pass, I was definitely playing more like my townself than my scumself at this point in time. Maybe not to the same extent, but still townie trajectory.

In this post I also soft that I am masons with Dunnstral to which bitbringer tries to pry from me that we are masons to see if they should cut bait or not.

@bitbringer could you explain your townread on me more?

Mostly just your engagement doesn't seem motivated by an agenda and you're pretty active.

-bit

As I alluded to earlier, even tris is skeptical about the authenticity of bitbringer's read on her. Additionally, this is the most fencesitty reason you could possibly use to town read someone.

What if I told you that Dunnstral was town? Who would your next scumread be?

i feel like i know funnstral the best out of everyone in this game, and probably vice versa. Though I think town him isnt good at sorting me either I think this is not how it would be done.

Digging into his scumread on Dunnstral, despite very obvious soft implications. This is bitbringer trying to draw the claim out into the direct light. That is entirely scum motivated.

What if I told you that Dunnstral was town? Who would your next scumread be?

i feel like i know funnstral the best out of everyone in this game, and probably vice versa. Though I think town him isnt good at sorting me either I think this is not how it would be done.

That's nice. But what if I told you he was town?

- OS

Further softing. You will notice at no point do I mention a policy/petty/rage read or vote on bitbringer. This is consistent with my read on them being independent of Baton Pass. Like I said, Baton Pass fueled the push after I had already voted them, but it was not the origin of the read.

What if I told you that Dunnstral was town? Who would your next scumread be?

i feel like i know funnstral the best out of everyone in this game, and probably vice versa. Though I think town him isnt good at sorting me either I think this is not how it would be done.

That's nice. But what if I told you he was town?

- OS

I would tell "I don't believe you".

Further trying to draw the claim out into open air. It goes without saying that being this oblivious to softing masons has high scum equity.

VOTE: Bitbringer

Accordingly, I vote bitbringer for their seemingly purposeful obliviousness to my softs. Absolutely no mention of Baton Pass and the real time stamps of this exchange go to show the authenticity of the origin of this read being in-this-game reasons and not Baton Pass reasons.

r u going to hardclaim a inno on funnstral or what.

Directly trying to draw out the claim now. Further validating my read.

VOTE: Bitbringer

Are you fucking mason buddies or something?

-bit

See above.

I am on the fence if this is white knighting or u genuinely have a hard inno on funnstral.
So u better claim it because there is fucking nothing in dunnstral iso that indicates town.

Explicitly asking for the hardclaim.

wait is this is a reaction test?

Now at this point bitbringer is trying to find a way out of this situation because they have become aware how bad it is to be locked into a 2v1 against masons.

wait is this is a reaction test?

oof. Just reinforcing my vote on you.

Again, no mention or touch of Baton Pass in this read.

ARE YOU GOING TO CLAIM U HAVE A HARD INNO OR NO.

Continues to try and draw out an explicit mason claim.

Who are your scum buddies, bitbringer?

Is it Pops? We have been thinking her read on NaCL is pretty trash for a while now.

Speaking of... @unwnd, why are you scumreading NaCL?

I give bitbringer a chance to talk about something else here. I mention Pops because Pops was a commonly discussed hot topic earlier. I also give them the opportunity to talk about NaCL. bitbringer declines to talk about either of those things. Instead they go for the meme. That is scum indicative in my opinion because it shows they are not truly sorting slots in this game.

Who are your scum buddies, bitbringer?

Is it Pops? We have been thinking her read on NaCL is pretty trash for a while now.

Speaking of... @unwnd, why are you scumreading NaCL?

CLAIM YOU HAVE A INNO OR DONT.

U DANCING AROUND THAT YOU HAVE A POSSIBLE INNO ISNT A GOOD LOOK FOR U RN. THE LONGER U DO IT THE MORE IT MAKES ME THINK UR SCUM!DEFENDING DUNNY

Just trying to get that claim now. I think they made the decision getting the claim is worth the 1v1.

Who are your scum buddies, bitbringer?

Is it Pops? We have been thinking her read on NaCL is pretty trash for a while now.

Speaking of... @unwnd, why are you scumreading NaCL?

pops is my scum buddy but don't tell anyone

also Dunn is my scum buddy too, i'm just busing him

-bit

Here is the meme I mentioned earlier. Ample opportunity to analyze or comment about these two players, but they decide to continue to act oblivious to my soft claims and stick to their tunnel against Dunnstral.

If you agree with the opinion, why does that make it a scum opinion? That... doesn't seem to make sense if you're town.

- OS

town and scum can have the same opinions on posts.

Here is where I begin to dismantle the logic used to vote Dunnstral. As I said, bitbringer acknowledges Volxen had the same opinion as them, yet completely disregards the possibility it was town motivated. Again, not even a townlean.

Oh good, we're voting Dunnstral. I expected more from him after Guns and Roses.

-bit

They finally add some justification to their Dunnstral read, but if you actually examined this justification it is completely bonkers. If you look at the Guns and Roses game, you would see that Dunnstral posted 11 times before he died in that game. The main thing he did in that game was call Firebringer scum. He even called one of the scum a member of his town block. It is hard to see what Dunnstral did in that game as setting high expectations in Bitmap's mind, but apparently it did.

in my case, i don't like the way he's townreading me.

i don't like my other head either.

Tris calling out bitbringer for their superfluous reasoning to townlean her. bitbringer further adds to the fencesit aspect of that read by openly admonishing the read again.

I ask you why I shouldn't be scumreading you

You say that you're not saying I shouldn't be scumreading you

That means you're saying my scumread on you is fine

Do we need to make a argument diagram for their to be no miscommunication or something? Cause you are ignoring my main point in favor ur point in what is really i think disingenious.

In the large scheme of things I am saying theres nothing wrong with a scumread on me

if I believe it is genuine.

You haven't shown that and are continually not showing sorting.

Here bitbringer says they are fine with scumreads on them as long as they believe they are genuine. As I mentioned earlier, you will notice they never once call my read on them ingenuine or fake. In fact, they agree with points I am raising against them and even go as far as to say that I am being way more sorting than Dunnstral. Yet they still place a vote on me. Their thoughts and actions are not aligning, and they are not town motivated.

In the large scheme of things I am saying theres nothing wrong with a scumread on me if I believe it is genuine.

You haven't shown that and are continually not showing sorting

.

Do you really believe the bolded?

- OS

In the large scheme of things I am saying theres nothing wrong with a scumread on me if I believe it is genuine.

You haven't shown that and are continually not showing sorting

.

Do you really believe the bolded?

- OS

1 million percent.

Here they dig in on the fact that they believe Dunnstral is not genuine in his read on them despite him bringing up the Guns and Roses game as being an inadequate source of the town expectations they have put on Dunnstral. Hint: it is because the read is fake.

Saying "X is scummy" "Y is townie" is not sorting btw. In case someone wants to argue it is.

In the large scheme of things I am saying theres nothing wrong with a scumread on me if I believe it is genuine.

You haven't shown that and are continually not showing sorting

.

Do you really believe the bolded?

- OS

1 million percent.

So you believe the bolded, despite Dunnstral linking a game you thought he did something where he posted only 11 times the entire game.

It's funny because in that game Dunnstral also caught scum you instantly.

- OS

Not only is there in thread support for Dunnstral being able to read a member of bitbringer, they are openly disregarding facts that directly contradict their own claim that he is not sorting. Dunnstral combating bitbringer's supposed meta read is sorting. Period.

So you believe the bolded, despite Dunnstral linking a game you thought he did something where he posted only 11 times the entire game.

It's funny because in that game Dunnstral also caught scum you instantly.

- OS

You bet I believe it.

and i don't care about that game and didn't pay attention to dunny in it. I was scum and didn't have to worry about him or think about what he was doing. I just appeased everyone else and flew by easily.

See comments above, but this is just going to show my level of skepticism towards bitbringer. Again, at not point have I mentioned rage or Baton Pass as the basis for my read, or even the motivating push behind my read.

i actually remarked in the scumthread about dunny in that game that there was no way I was going to get him to townread me because he always scumreads me. So you could take that for what its worth. Which I think is worthless.

This is part of the reason why I do not believe bitbringer actually believes in their own Dunnstral read. This post in conjunction with the other posts about Dunnstral go to show that it is more likely Dunnstral is town this game for his read on bitbringer.

i actually remarked in the scumthread about dunny in that game that there was no way I was going to get him to townread me because he always scumreads me. So you could take that for what its worth. Which I think is worthless.

So if it is his default status against you, why is it scum in this game? By your own admission, it seems like it should be not alignment indicative.

- OS

i actually remarked in the scumthread about dunny in that game that there was no way I was going to get him to townread me because he always scumreads me. So you could take that for what its worth. Which I think is worthless.

So if it is his default status against you, why is it scum in this game? By your own admission, it seems like it should be not alignment indicative.

- OS

thats actually a good point.

then i guess this is a counter push against someone who refuses to try to read me.

bitbringer acknowledging their position is based on bad logic, but still voting. Also still voting despite the soft mason claims.

I think Dunnstral providing that game and making the implicit assertion that it is ridiculous to say he did something in that game despite only posting 11 times to be sorting your current motivations.

definitely not.

How is that not sorting?

- OS

pushing a counter argument isn't equivalent to sorting.

ur pushing for more sorting than dunny by a million percent and i disagree with everything ur saying.

Here they believe that I am sorting their slot. This would make it more likely that I am town from their perspective because my read inherently looks more town motivated. Remember this when they vote me. As I have said multiple times, no accusation of fakeness or ingenuineness have been levied against my read on them.

getting inside a persons head to figure out their state of mind and figuring out their alignment based on that. Its actively probing. Dunny isn't actively probing for anything.

Ignores the obvious issue with this read in that several players are not sorting by this logic, but they are fixated solely on Dunnstral's read on them.

What if I said you're both town?

- OS

i would ask you why r u townreading him?

What if I said trust me?

- OS

Further softing a mason claim, but open refusal to acknowledge that.

this is literally my only scumread. either give me a good spicey scumread for me to ignore funnstral for the time being or give me good reason to believe funnstral is town.

I mean Pops is a spicey scum read. You could probe there. Do you agree with her opinion about NaCL? Volxen and I do not. We think NaCL is one of the more townie slots in the game.

If anyone is not trying to sort at this point in the game it is bitbringer.

ohhh maybe dunn is town.

VOTE: shadoweh

^ not a scumread. I just got nothing rn.

Openly admits to having just a single scum read. Votes a person they do not even scumread. These reads are not genuine people and I do not know how I can make it more clear.

Wowee that’s a lot of flailing.

- OS

sheep, pops, dunn
shadoweh, gif, nacl, dns in italics
null: sujimichi, lady angel, abu, unwnd
tris, bit

VOTE: tris

im a bit more confident in this vote but i feel generally pretty comfortable with this list; lmk if you have any questions or disagreements

hmmhmmmm

might be scum

Interestingly enough, now that I think about it, the same GIF and bitbringer is voting Lady Angel right now, can be said of bitbringer in this post. At this point in time, they did not have any scum reads. Openly vote a person they labeled not a scum read. Think they have a scumread. And do not decide to vote that person. This. Is. Scum.

As part of my petty revenge tour, I don’t think I’m ever not voting bitbringer. Sorry you had to get caught in the cross fire, FB.

- OS

At this point in time, I introduce my anger towards Bitmap's shitty tunnel in Baton Pass in my read. I do not say that I am voting bitbringer for Baton Pass, just that I am not going to unvote them because of Baton Pass. However, as I have already demonstrated in this case, my scumread and unwillingness to move off bitbringer was already at a high level. This was just the final nail in the coffin at this point in time.

Like I’m just gonna do dumb shit all game, self hammer, and scumread a single slot all game. That seems to be the play these days.

fire told me to shitpost in this thread

none of u know my town meta

OS you've done nothing town worthy and sadly that gives you more town equity as I've learned from Baton Pass

im having problems adapting to this game

Still no accusation that my read is bad, fake, or not genuine. Just that I do not know their meta. Additionally, gives another reason to see my slot as town with this meta comment from Baton Pass.

You know what, lets meme it up.

VOTE: Oversoul

Proceeds to vote me. As I said earlier, no mention of the read being fake or not genuine. No vote on Sheepy or even so much as a thought of voting sheepy despite him being the only other scumlean they have. Just tunneling on people who are voting them despite them having so many times stated reasons to townread the person they are voting.

fire told me to shitpost in this thread

none of u know my town meta

OS you've done nothing town worthy and sadly that gives you more town equity as I've learned from Baton Pass

im having problems adapting to this game

Your slot hasn’t been scumhunting. Just reacting to pressure on you. That’s scummy.

- OS

I reassure bitbringer that my main reason for scum reading their slot and the vote on their slot has nothing to do with Baton Pass. My anger only cemented my lack of willingness to move elsewhere.

I'm sorry, I'll be sure to extensively use AtE from now on and coast while mud slinging instead of scumhunting aka "reacting to pressure when a majority of the player list scum reads us so u can't really say it's reacting to pressure".

An ad hom attack to discredit my read on them.

I don't agree with my other head in voting DNS, I think dns is townie.

-fire

Further hydra dissonance to give them a plausible escape route should they need it.

I dont think OS is actually scum but if he wants to fight me this game too I'll do it.

-bit

I mean I have a mason buddy to back me up so be my guest.

- OS

Openly stating he does not scum read me, yet thinks that is the place where his vote should go. Not on sheepy. Not even back on Dunnstral if he subconciously thinks I am scum. On me. A person he says he is not scumreading.

oversoul ur acting like a child.

-fire

I’m not gonna pretend revenge against Bitmap didn’t factor into my push on your slot, but it wasn’t the main reasoning behind the initial vote and your slot has only continued to scum it up in response to the pressure. Vote intensity increased because of rage, but the vote stays because of your own scummy actions. You can try to shade my vote as being petty or my actions as childish to discredit the vote, but at this point it’s just making you look worse.

- OS

An ad hom attack again to shade and discredit the read on me. As I explain in this post, my original read has nothing to do with Baton Pass. But Baton Pass has solidified this read vote in my mind.

oversoul ur acting like a child.

-fire

I’m not gonna pretend revenge against Bitmap didn’t factor into my push on your slot, but it wasn’t the main reasoning behind the initial vote and your slot has only continued to scum it up in response to the pressure. Vote intensity increased because of rage, but the vote stays because of your own scummy actions. You can try to shade my vote as being petty or my actions as childish to discredit the vote, but at this point it’s just making you look worse.

- OS

how do u post stuff like this with a straight face

"I am being petty, BUT I AM NOT CHILDISH!"

-fire

More ad hom hypocrisy.

probably because dns is townie and dunnstral is his mason?

also dunn was townie in his last post bitmap.

-fire

Still voting me despite now thinking I am a mason. At what point do we all come to the collective realization that bitbringer's play is anti-town at best and toxic at worst?

ill trust in gif

he is my new rc
VOTE: lady angel

-fire

Still no agency behind their reads. Outsourcing the read to the first person to defend them. On a lurker who has 5 posts in which we will get 0 information from a lynch given the proximity of deadline.

YEAH SHADOWEH

IF UR GOING TO BE LAZY JOIN THE REAL WAGON FOR LAZIES.

Continuing to meme and not scumhunt.

tl;dr - bitbringer is not actively scumhunting. Their reads are fake and their reasoning contradictory. They are hiding behind memes to look like they are contributing, but there is actually no substance to their iso.

[Definitely Not Scum]

ur initial vote on us was because of revenge yet so really you're calling your own slot bad also for ad hom

oversoul ur acting like a child.

-fire

I’m not gonna pretend revenge against Bitmap didn’t factor into my push on your slot

, but it wasn’t the main reasoning behind the initial vote and your slot has only continued to scum it up in response to the pressure. Vote intensity increased because of rage, but the vote stays because of your own scummy actions. You can try to shade my vote as being petty or my actions as childish to discredit the vote, but at this point it’s just making you look worse.

- OS

Revenge may have subconsciously guided my vote, but as you will read in quote strip lane, my reasons for voting you are more guided by your own actions in this game. If I had to attribute a percentage to each it was 90% this game, 10% revenge.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

She actually has 5.

Lady Angel | Oct 21, 12:06am | Oct 29, 04:59pm | 2 days 3 hours |

6

I forget that this board counts the first post as post 0 for isos.

But anyway I would like to bring your attention to this post by bitbringer.

sheep, pops, dunn
shadoweh, gif, nacl, dns in italics
null: sujimichi, lady angel, abu, unwnd
tris, bit

VOTE: tris

im a bit more confident in this vote but i feel generally pretty comfortable with this list; lmk if you have any questions or disagreements

hmmhmmmm

might be scum

It closely parallels what Lady Angel did. What do you think of it? At this point in time, bitbringer had professed to not having any scumreads. This is their first stated non-Dunnstral scumread and yet they do not vote it.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

VOTE: NaCl

???

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Enter, if you’re out there in the ether, it’s this exact reason why I stopped casing and just started doing my current playstyle.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

That’s fair, but why NaCL of all people?

Also, did you read my case?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

I did read the case.

That post gave me the heebie jeebies.

Did Firebringer tell you to claim mafia goon, Bitmap, or did you decide to? It's null indicative for Fire but idk about you

My case gave you the heebie jeebies?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

I give up.

[Definitely Not Scum]

Pops why are you hard scum reading NaCL? You keep ignoring that question.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Oversoul just gave up. I don’t think Volxen has made a post in several days. We have been communicating in Discord up until a few days ago though.

[Definitely Not Scum]

I'm a better narrator

I was the narrator for a Pearl harbor day play in 6th grade

It was kinda cool cause Pearl harbor day is my birthday

That explains why you sunk my faith in this day phase going well for town

[Definitely Not Scum]

If there’s one vanity wagon I’d like to push it is Suigmichi.

[Definitely Not Scum]

That was me who asked the question.

Tragic.

[Definitely Not Scum]

I’m liking sheepy for town.

VOTE: Sugimichi

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Suigi is a scumread that my partner and I have had for a while now and if people are going to dig in on but and we are digging in on NaCL Suigi seems like a good compromise.

[Definitely Not Scum]

Dammmmm

A Manhattan apartment. Your cousin must be rolling in it

Pops you should do an escape room in NY they are amazing there. Very immersive experience

[Definitely Not Scum]

Suigi is a scumread that my partner and I have had for a while now and if people are going to dig in on but and we are digging in on NaCL Suigi seems like a good compromise.

shouldn't they be replaced by now?

I don’t know. I haven’t checked their activity recently. My partner and I remember seeing them post elsewhere while ignoring this game though. For me that’s a big indicator they are scum this game

[Definitely Not Scum]

My itinerary is packed and also escape rooms are dumb

I am personally very offended

[Definitely Not Scum]

I’m liking sheepy for town.

VOTE: Sugimichi

- OS

I was just about to commend you for your quotewall wrt Bitbringer and then you change your vote like this

What purpose did it serve anyways? There was nothing that seemed like Bitbringer was a dying wagon

I wanted to wagon someone else to see if anyone else would support a not-bitbringer wagon. The subsequent votes and wagons were not what I expected though.

I am not quite sure what to think of recent events. Do you have any other comment about the bitbringer case I made?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

oh no the deadline for this game is even longer now
I am not the scum cutie sorry Your username is tres appropriate though

VOTE: unwnd

Who is this responding to?

[Definitely Not Scum]

Assasians Mafia Reads:

Town Core:
GuyInFreezer

Slight Town:
Dunnstral
Pine

Null/Not Sure:
The Others I Haven’t Mentioned

Slight Scum:
Sheep’s

Only because 2 Neighbors were in their town reads:

sheep, pops, dunn
shadoweh, gif, nacl, dns in italics
null: sujimichi, lady angel, abu, unwnd
tris, bit

VOTE: tris

im a bit more confident in this vote but i feel generally pretty comfortable with this list; lmk if you have any questions or disagreements

Scum Lynch Pool:
Unwnd
First of all I didn’t like their first post.
Seems opportunistic despite it being just a picture and it seemed out of place for an entry post.

I don't know why everyone is dealing in absolutes so soon, the conversation being had just reads like two players convinced by conjecture instead of prior evidence. Pops is acting strange surely but in a position where Pop's strangeness alludes to scum she'd just be giving us more information than I gather she would want to. This is a partial meta read

This could be trying to protect a buddy.

Also their is definitely One scum within (popsofctown, Definitely Not Scum and Dunnstral)
I never see a 3 Neighbourhood Chat all Town. Like Ever.


This could be inaccurate but I feel that their might be scum within BB/Tris/Shadow based on this post:

bitbringers posts sound like me when I'm trying to say nice things about townies as scum.

VOTE: bitbringer

i think i agree

I'm leaning town on tris for now due to genuine attempt to look for scum.

I don't feel like this is the impression someone would have on me. and i kind of haven't been. i've been a little out of it and just commenting on a few things i've noticed here and there. could you point to where you get that impression?

VOTE: bitbringer

Sheep actually had all three of {us, Pops, Dunn} above the null line in that readslist from him that you quoted. Even if you believe that our neighborhood can't be all-town, why would you scumread Sheep solely based on him having multiple townreads from the neighborhood?

And is your scumread on Unwind contingent on him being scum with Pops specifically? You said that you didn't like his opening post in 146, but the only conclusion that you came to in your analysis is that he "could be trying to protect a buddy".


- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

sheep, pops, dunn
shadoweh, gif, nacl, dns in italics
null: sujimichi, lady angel, abu, unwnd
tris, bit

VOTE: tris

im a bit more confident in this vote but i feel generally pretty comfortable with this list; lmk if you have any questions or disagreements

sheep, nacl, pops, tse
dunn, gif
--abu, unwnd, shadoweh
dns, bit, tris, creat

never going to adjust my reads based on the neighborhood sorry

Why did we drop down from a townread/townlean to a scumread in-between these two readslists? And why is Creature/Suji a scumread for you now? In 706 you said that you didn't like Suji's lack of sharing, but then in 709 you said that it's part of his playstyle and NAI, so I thought that the slot was still null for you considering that Creature hasn't posted yet.

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

I'm getting ready for my burger date

You should be taking Oversoul and I out for burgers. It was cruel of you to take Dunnstral out for pizza but not invite us, considering that we are all in a neighborhood together. So you owe us.


- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

If NaCl and Shadoweh are unlynchable somehow I want sheep.

If you have a good case.
I may consider it.
If Shadow flips Town though.
We Lynch who I say next.
If we have a deal, then I’m down with it.

Who died and made you queen?

Wait neighborhood is not a meme?
Am I the only one who thought this was a vanilla only game?

Nothing we have said thus far is a meme.

Per se.

@GIF
I know your Town here, deep dive into Unwnd’s ISO.

This read is seemingly based off their first post and then a post you thought could be scum indicative between Pops and Unwnd. Am I getting that right?

- OS

VOTE: Bitbringer

[Definitely Not Scum]

VOTE: Bitbringer

[Definitely Not Scum]

A quick meta dive says that tris doesn't do this as either alignment.

Scum in schadd micro: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=80729 and town in nmsa open: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=80894.

Thought about putting weight on this, but lol it's Oversoul

What does this mean Mr. Creature?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

VOTE: Bitbringer

Ok BB is Town.

VOTE: Shadow

This flip can help me PoE the scum team TBH.

How is BB town?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

VOTE: Bitbringer

Ok BB is Town.

VOTE: Shadow

This flip can help me PoE the scum team TBH.

How is BB town?

- OS

The way it was all done.
Seems to me like someone wanted the wagon to be BB instead of Shadow.
Which makes me sus and thus I voted Shadow.

But you quoted our vote for Bitbringer as your reasoning for townreading him, and you are now voting for Shadoweh, whom Pops is also voting for, despite repeatedly saying that you think that Pops could be scum in our neighborhood. Do you believe that we are scum pushing Bitbringer's wagon?

Also, there seems to be a lot of willingness to wagon either of Bitbringer and Shadoweh. Why is that in-and-of-itself town-indicative for Bitbringer, but not for Shadoweh?

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

I'm getting ready for my burger date

You should be taking Oversoul and I out for burgers. It was cruel of you to take Dunnstral out for pizza but not invite us, considering that we are all in a neighborhood together. So you owe us.


- Volxen (Definitely Town)

Bitmap is the one who took me out for burger tho

I kind of want that burger again.

Fried egg on a burger is actually really good

.

-bit

Yes, it is. Pops needs to take all of us out for burgers.


- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

Do you have any crumbs, Shadoweh?

I don’t think I buy that claim considering the mod has said there’s a mechanic to punish target claiming.

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Oh, I guess you guys are serious. You should probably stop voting me, I'm pretty sure I'm this game's version of a cop since I cop people's targets and get an upgrade.

Could still be Consigliere.

Consigliere...?

- OS

[Definitely Not Scum]

Sujimichi has been replaced by Creature
Lady angel has been replaced by TrueSoulEnergy
because of the new replacements, I am adding 3 days to the deadline
Give some warm welcome!

@MariaR
@mod
Was this three day extension reflected in this vote count?

VC 1.7

Bitbringer

(3)

- Shadoweh, tris NaCl

sheepsaysmeep

(3)

- unwnd Dunnstral, Sujimichi,

Lady Angel

(2)

- GuyinFreezer bitbringer

Sujimichi

(2)

- popsofctown Definitely Not Scum

Definitely Not Scum

(1)

- Lady Angel

tris

(1)

- sheepsaysmeep

Not voting

- AbuHumaid

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!
Deadline ends in (expired on 2019-11-03 22:08:30)

If so, we have 9 hours to deadline.

[Definitely Not Scum]

VC 1.7

Shadoweh

(4)

- pops, dunnstral, bitbringer, tse

TSE

(3)

- GuyinFreezer, tris, nacl

Bitbringer

(2)

- unwnd, Definitely Not Scum

sheepsaysmeep

(1)

- Creature

tris

(1)

- sheepsaysmeep

unwnd

(1)

- shadoweh

Not voting

- AbuHumaid

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!
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This is the current vote count, I believe.

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VOTE: TSE

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Oh, I guess you guys are serious. You should probably stop voting me, I'm pretty sure I'm this game's version of a cop since I cop people's targets and get an upgrade.

Could still be Consigliere.

Consigliere...?

- OS

What’s this?
What’s with this?
It doesn’t require a brain to realize Consigliere is a Mafia Cop.

I have never heard Consigliere ever referred to as a mafia cop. Why are you getting so aggressive about this? Volxen wants me to poke you to respond to his questions towards you.

- OS

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TSE has been town but bad for a while now.

VOTE: Shadoweh

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I would actually rather bitbringer and I know my partner would too.

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TSE to answer your earlier question, we voted you to see how you would react. But it didn’t really have any affect on you.

- OS

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I am just confused by Shadoweh claim. I don’t see why town needs to know targets? Unless there is a clear indication that balance/alignment is dictated by our targets.

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I would actually rather bitbringer and I know my partner would too.

Oh, perhaps my habitual pessimism was decided too soon? I dunno, it begs the question where everyone else who unvoted is at rn too

Make no mistake. All of our hopping was not because we townread bitbringer. I stand behind my case. Fb even in a way is playing to his scum meta that he linked for his Dunnstral scumread.

- OS

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It probably helps to know who is trying to lynch because they want a role and who is trying to lynch for no eventual discernable reason. Do you have a particular reason to think scum benefits from knowing people's targets either?

That’s a good point. The only answer I can assume is that it acts as a quasi rolecop. You target people over the course of the game and if any of their targets die, then you know that person has a power role now.

I don’t see how it helps to know if someone is pushing someone because they want a power? I would hope town are not pushing for someone’s death just because they want their power.

- OS

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I am just confused by Shadoweh claim. I don’t see why town needs to know targets? Unless there is a clear indication that balance/alignment is dictated by our targets.

She is modmeta'ing that the role that investigates someone to learn their assassin target might upgrade to the role to investigate someone to learn their alignment. If she's right then sane cop is a bonkers strong role. It's not guaranteed she's right, it could get upgraded to "find out who that person wants to assassinate and also who it is that wants to assassinate them", or an entwined vanilla cop shot, or an entwined rolecop, etc.

The odds of getting upgraded in general are probably like, 40% by n3 in the dark? I am making numbers up. That seems good enough to draw the NK, I think. If it's not good enough to draw the NK it's not good enough that it should actually stop her lynch (pretty plausible for it to just have a scum rolecop upgrade path so it'd be mercy because the role draws the NK, not mercy because the role is town indicative)

This raises another good point. Shadoweh are you saying you don’t know your upgrade ability?

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I wonder if it’s worth upgrade claiming, but not target claiming.

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This raises another good point. Shadoweh are you saying you don’t know your upgrade ability?

No, I'm pretty sure no one does since the op one doesn't. I thought the same thing as Dunnstral before seeing the randomize thing myself too.
The fact that my role -could- and most likely -will- become something way better is worth more then if it actually will when it comes to attracting bullets

So let me get this straight...

You are not currently a vanilla townie.
Right now, you have the ability to choose someone each night and learn who their target is.
You also have an upgrade ability, but do not know what it is.
You speculate that the upgrade ability is a full cop.

Is that all correct?

- OS

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UNVOTE:

I will talk to my other head.

-bit

Since when does this hydra ever need to be on the same page about anything?

- OS

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Shadoweh, what is your flavor for your assassin? Judging by our assassin, flavor does not actually mean anything. But I'm curious.

- OS

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Shadoweh, what is your flavor for your assassin? Judging by our assassin, flavor does not actually mean anything. But I'm curious.

- OS

I honestly want you to stop asking me for every last detail of my role.

...? Or you could be lynched?

- OS

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Why are we killing Abu?

- OS

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Bitbringer is being highly self preserving with their vote. We should just get rid of them.

- OS

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Cool. Let’s get Bitbringer now, Creature.

- OS

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Bitbringer is being highly self preserving with their vote. We should just get rid of them.

- OS

idk what happened to u but the level of butthurt coming from u and still going is insane.

what happened and why r u like this?

As I have stated numerous times before my reasons for voting you are almost entirely in game reasons. If there’s anyone I am going to be still butthurt towards from that game it is the Celestial hydra, not you.

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You can think whatever you want. I don’t lie about my reads as town. When you get to the dead thread you can ask MariaR about my alignment and when she tells you town, you’ll know I am being 100% truthful.

Fire you literally did nothing to me that game. I am not butthurt towards you at all.
Bitmap I was salty towards but like I said that was maybe 10% of my initial read on your slot. Then I said that the game confirmed my vote for saltiness but then you kept being scummy and I said the vote was staying because of your subsequent actions. You guys go awol after pressure drops and now you’re trying to shade me. Your vote hopping and your play has been scummy at worst. Antitown at best. I don’t know how many times I have to repeat myself.

You can live in a world where you think I’m lying but what do I gain from lying? A less shitty reputation when my reputation is already shitty? Makes no sense. F anything you saying I am butthurt is gonna make me butthurt but I just think this is you being scum so I don’t really care.

I don’t get how you think the self preservation comment sounds hostile. It was very matter of fact. Unless you read matter of fact ness as angry?

Things I think are scummy:

- voting without much reasoning, you did this
- voting things that don’t align with their reads, you did this with your initial Shadoweh vote and vote on me when you scumread sheepy
- ignoring those who scum read you, you did this after pressure dropped. You ignored me once pressure dropped and I stopped voting you. This is like what you did to Dunn in that game he linked

I don’t get how you think the self preservation comment sounds hostile. It was very matter of fact. Unless you read matter of fact ness as angry?

I don't think its just the matter of fact approach, its the certainty and arrogance way in ur approach that makes me think "oversoul is full of shit and is pushing a hard read that is either massively inflated or doing so for other reasons".

self preservation isn't a town or scum trait either btw, and I think you know that.

Would it make you feel better if I put conditional phrases in my posts? Like you’re likely flipping scum for behaviors I’ve already discussed? I dunno. I think you want me to be butthurt cause it helps you wrap your mind around my bad play, which fair. But maybe I’m just bad and this is a bad read. It happens more often than people think with me.

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I don’t get how you think the self preservation comment sounds hostile. It was very matter of fact. Unless you read matter of fact ness as angry?

I don't think its just the matter of fact approach, its the certainty and arrogance way in ur approach that makes me think "oversoul is full of shit and is pushing a hard read that is either massively inflated or doing so for other reasons".

self preservation isn't a town or scum trait either btw, and I think you know that.

Would it make you feel better if I put conditional phrases in my posts? Like you’re likely flipping scum for behaviors I’ve already discussed? I dunno. I think you want me to be butthurt cause it helps you wrap your mind around my bad play, which fair. But maybe I’m just bad and this is a bad read. It happens more often than people think with me.

You are way too self aware.

??? About what?

- voting without much reasoning, you did this

Oh no I just did this.

voting things that don’t align with their reads

Oh no I also just did this.

ignoring those who scum read you

I don't know if anyone scumread me to being with but if they are, then I didn't know because I haven't been really reading this game, so.
Oh no I also just did this too.

AM I DEEPWOLF

I mean you aren’t a townread by any stretch of the imagination.

No one expressed a scumread on me as far as I can tell.

Although, "I'm lynching my townread" is a signature town-GIF move.

You’re not a townread for me.

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Why would it pose 0 threat to you?

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Well I’m getting Bitbringer lynched so I currently have more threat than last game if that’s the metric you’re using but gl with project

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Dunnstral is town.

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Kpops, Volxen and I don't think you're outside of your scumrange yet. Please help.

- OS

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More seriously, it's a little bit easier to townspew when I have strong reads. Even bad ones. I'm going back and forth on a lot of slots in this game though. I think it might be from the Assassin mechanic, there's probably people who are town making inorganic pushes and pinging me both ways.

Do you think an average player does that? Especially if they are a vanilla townie? I personally do not believe that an average player will do that. I think that a person who sees their target about to die and is not explicitly townreading that player may hammer them, but I do not think they will outright gun for that person's death.

At any rate, Shadoweh needs to go.

VOTE: Shadoweh

- OS

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If I haven't bussed a partner by the time day 2 is over I'm out of my 2019 scumrange

Would you as serial killer purposefully no-kill?

- OS

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Agree about Abu. Think if NaCL somehow happens to be wrong then Dunn can be deepwolf but not gonna deal with that rn

I'd like to talk to you more about this NaCL read. What is the genesis of this read?

Pops, I would like the same analysis re: Abu

- OS

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I direct you to post 430 and 437. Additionally, I do not think he does what he did with bitbringer if he is scum.

- OS

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And I'm not sure lynching her first is the ideal sequencing with her forced to trueclaim useful info. The moment she lies about her investigation the persons she lied about can naked vote her.

I don't she is locked into trueclaiming useful info. Very easily claim she was roleblocked.

- OS

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I do feel bad about bitbringer flipping town, especially since they are Greninja (#dexgate), but a robot has to upgrade y'know

- OS

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Your claim doesn’t make sense as town. Why are we scum over TSE?

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Why would you claim your target died?

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Unwnd, I did feel like NaCL was asking a lot of questions and not going anywhere with them earlier in the game.

VOTE: NaCL

- OS

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Shadoweh, what do you think is the ideal way to use your role? Also, are you saying the mafia nightkill doesn’t activate an upgrade?

- OS

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Shadoweh, what do you think is the ideal way to use your role? Also, are you saying the mafia nightkill doesn’t activate an upgrade?

- OS

Can you read the main rules for the game before you ask me any more dumb questions?

Dunn, can you answer my question? Did you just not notice pops and DNS talking about me or something?

Aggressive.

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VOTE: tris

zzz

are there any actual objections to this dying

hi can everyone say their tris read

when they see this at the top of the page

everyone in the game


also gun to the head abu is w for crappy meta reasons that might not even be that reliable anymore

I don’t have any objection to tris dying.

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Actually...
VOTE: TSE
I'm gonna stick to my initial scumread.

Why TSE?
He seems pretty clearly town, just wrongheaded.

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Dunnstral does what he wants, when he wants. But I’m not preoccupied with him since he is town.

I think you’re town now though, Shadoweh. Join us on the NaCL wagon.

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Actually...
VOTE: TSE
I'm gonna stick to my initial scumread.

Why TSE?
He seems pretty clearly town, just wrongheaded.

Can you tell me what's towny about him?

I don’t think their desperate pleas to kill Shadoweh come from scum. Plus, they tomalley sound like town. I don’t agree with any of their logic, but how they are playing seems to come from a town mindset.

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I thought what we had was special

It was, Pops. It was. <3

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The “neighborhood” totally exists.

Pops just forgot to join me and Dunnstral.

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In case anyone is confused - the neighborhood consists of DNS and Dunnstral. Pops is not in the neighborhood and never was in the neighborhood. Dunnstral amd I have information that we strongly suggests we are town, but we are not masons.

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Always, Princess Pops

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In case anyone is confused - the neighborhood consists of DNS and Dunnstral. Pops is not in the neighborhood and never was in the neighborhood. Dunnstral amd I have information that we strongly suggests we are town, but we are not masons.

I guess the question I asked then is changed, did you not talk to Dunn about me last night? It's very confusing trying to figure out which of you is acting weird re: out of thread info when you do stuff like this :V

Not really, no. Dunnstral talks in the neighborhood like he talks here. sparingly.

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Like personally this game reminds me of my own game, Crown on the ground, where I gave scum an ability cop and a rolecop. Shadoweh’s role sounds like an ability cop and rolecop. I just feel bad pushing her.

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I don’t like how Shadoweh has been very self-centric with her scumreads.

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VOTE: Shadoweh

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Can we kill someone? This game is deader than dead.

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I also find it interesting psychologically that Shadoweh said “flip not scum” which makes me think she might be SK.

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If shadoweh was the correct lynch, then the game would be much more active because her teammates would try to save her.

This isn’t a totally accurate assessment of how scum play. This is true in some cases, but far from a bright line rule.

I do want Shadoweh to die for a couple of reasons. I do apologize to Shadoweh because she’s essentially a sacrifice for town motivation now rather than a scumspect. She does have high scum equity though so I am mostly absolving myself of any guilt, preemptively.

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omg Stantler!
I saw Princess Mononoke last night it's a miyazaki film that has deers in it.
And I remember thinking "those are like stantlers"

My favorite Miyazaki movie. But, I also voted for Jill Stein.

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That is definitely a volxen post

Volxen has ascended to the heavens. I don’t think he has posted in the game for a week now.

- OS

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Oversoul if I hydra'ed with someone do you think you could hydra hunt me?

If by hydra hunt you mean you join a hydra that publicly lists you as a member, but you and your partner do not identify which head makes which post, I think I could identify most of your posts.

If by hydra hunt you mean you are secretly a hydra, I would not have the time to find the hydra game to properly do that analysis.

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Are you messing with me? I was extremely proud of myself for identifying a hydra head

No, not messing with you. Although I can see how that reads that way. I did contemplate doing that once Volxen was taken from me by the Rapture.

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I could do without Abu, personally. But I think at this point we might be able to get some salvageable information from Shadoweh’s death. I do not think we would get much info from an Abu death. That said, the MOnfor scum this game is definitely to sap town’s strength through lurking.

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Oh, right. Undertale ended so I can say things now.

Undertale is the reason why I hard pushed Pops earlier in the game as being scum who should know my posting and my meta because I was scum in a game she was modding and felt very transparent in that I was lurking in the early game of that game.

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I think Pops has mostly redeemed herself for that bad meta stuff she did earlier, but it was very odd that she would come away with the conclusion that I was scum here for saying she should know my meta when she had access to my most recent scum game.

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DEB is town.

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I’ll hard Claim.
I checked Shadow Day 1 and Tris Day 2.
At least 1 is Mafia.

All aboard the Shadoweh train!

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Man, if there's one thing I don't miss about mafia it's a bunch of people unreasonably sure of their opinions

I mean you could also be in a game with RC or Enter or even BOTH

:hitoshrug: