Mini 2106 - Magia Record Fate Weave Semi-U-Pick (OVER!)

[Alchemist21]

yeah, and I picked shield over sword.

what now

Picking Shield means you’re defensive. Being defensive is a scumtell.

VOTE: TemporalLich

[Alchemist21]

yeah, and I picked shield over sword.

what now

Picking Shield means you’re defensive. Being defensive is a scumtell.

VOTE: TemporalLich

What if I picked Pokemon Gun

Does that mean I’m a vig

Or scum or a Cop because they also have guns.

[Alchemist21]

I’m with everyone else on Farkran. His posts look like it’s his first time playing scum.

VOTE: Farkran

[Alchemist21]

@alchemist, same question, how much do you rely on meta to gamesolve?

Depends on the person.

[Alchemist21]

Little early to be asserting that people are chainsaw defending TL.

Little late to assume we're still in RVS...

pedit: Severa is a scumlean, don't have much to indicate Severa!scum besides the defense. If by a miracle Farkran flips town Severa falls up to null.

Bitmap has a lot of scum equity but I still prefer flipping Farkran because a green Farkran absolves Severa and Farkran has done nothing towny this game unlike Bitmap

Little early to be doing associatives.

[Alchemist21]

@alchemist, same question, how much do you rely on meta to gamesolve?

Depends on the person.

You placed a vote on me, so that person would be me

Well I don’t know you so I’m going on the general way new players play.

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist exists

Do I though?

[Alchemist21]

Ok there's two ways we can play this

Do y'all want the way that wins more reliably or the one that involves less of me shoving my reads down your throats.

I want your reads in my every hole please

Ok that’s... probably more suggestive than we want in our game threads.

But hey, you do you.

[Alchemist21]

Ok there's two ways we can play this

Do y'all want the way that wins more reliably or the one that involves less of me shoving my reads down your throats.

Not gonna lie I’m tempted to take the former option just because I still don’t fully understand these mechanics.

But you know I’m not the type to blindly sheep so I’ll need more than appeal to credibility from you.

[Alchemist21]

I have a memoriae that doesn't help scum at all, ftr

What is the point of this?

it's called a soft claim and it helps in case I get to L-3

The fuck?

Ok there's two ways we can play this

Do y'all want the way that wins more reliably or the one that involves less of me shoving my reads down your throats.

Either you are RC or you are actually Severa the fucking FE character.

Fuck me either way

That’s 100% an RC quote.

[Alchemist21]

Me myself and I.

[Alchemist21]

I believe RC’s claim.

VOTE: Salamence

[Alchemist21]

I believe RC’s claim.

VOTE: Salamence

My name is SEVERA.

I believe SEVERA’s claim.

[Alchemist21]

Get well soon.

[Alchemist21]

I was just in the mood to do dumb shit but then I threw up and now I'm not really in a silly mood

I mean idk how anyone took that guilty seriously and idk how you ever claim in reaction to it lol

The game is crazy enough that I believed it.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Farkran

[Alchemist21]

Y'all seriously going to take sheepy mc sheep Alchemist and not push him?

Explain how it’s scummy and maybe they will.

Of course then they’d be sheeping you and you’d have to vote them too.

[Alchemist21]

You believed that I was serious after I called everyone scrubby scrub scrub WOATs?

I mean, it’s kinda what you do and I just figured you were taking it farther for the sake of the Severa roleplay.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Farkran

Can you describe how you arrived here?

Yeah I went back to where I came from.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Farkran

Can you describe how you arrived here?

Yeah I went back to where I came from.

Do you still believe this is my first scumgame?

Is it not?

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Farkran

Can you describe how you arrived here?

Yeah I went back to where I came from.

Do you still believe this is my first scumgame?

Is it not?

I mean, i have my true first scumgame on this site in my signature...

It’s not apparent that’s a scum-play description.

Can you show me a Town game where you opened similar to how you opened here?

[Alchemist21]

We aren't lynching Salamence today, even though he's an idiot. I don't like Farkran, Severa or TL. Bitmap could go either way.

Charge Discs produce the least information possible, and are therefore scummy. They also benefit the most from coordination, which is also scummy. Blast and Accele are both towny, because they give information one way or the other regarding whether you have an ult worth using, but Accele is the most towny disc because it gives cover to our Doppel users.

Personally I feel like Salamence's NA is broken AF, since it allows a Magia every turn if coordinated well. That said, there's a really easy way to test it, so... Yeah, they can live for now.

Didn’t most people use Charge Discs?

[Alchemist21]

Look, I’m too lazy for second hand meta. If you made the posts then you know where to find them and it’s faster for you to dig them up.

[Alchemist21]

P.S. I’m fine with linked posts from other sites.

[Alchemist21]

Ok. Now that you know though, can you scumcase me properly?

Pedit: old site no longer exists, i played there 8 years ago. I think they transfered over town of salem though

If it’s the same 2+2 I’m thinking of the site still exists, unless someone else bought the domain because it’s mostly about poker now.

If it wasn’t scum nervousness like I thought then I don’t have a case.

UNVOTE:

[Alchemist21]

what's a woat

Worst Of All Time. The opposite of GOAT.

[Alchemist21]

I’m with everyone else on Farkran. His posts look like it’s his first time playing scum.

VOTE: Farkran

I believe RC’s claim.

VOTE: Salamence

VOTE: Farkran

Ok. Now that you know though, can you scumcase me properly?

Pedit: old site no longer exists, i played there 8 years ago. I think they transfered over town of salem though

If it’s the same 2+2 I’m thinking of the site still exists, unless someone else bought the domain because it’s mostly about poker now.

If it wasn’t scum nervousness like I thought then I don’t have a case.

UNVOTE:

These look bad in hindsight too

Why?

[Alchemist21]

Finished reading everything up, Hello all~


~Venus

Any thoughts so far?

[Alchemist21]

Sleeves that long aren't winter clothes?

[Alchemist21]

yeah, and I picked shield over sword.

what now

Picking Shield means you’re defensive. Being defensive is a scumtell.

VOTE: TemporalLich

Reeeeach

Odd thing to comment on an RVS vote from hundreds of posts back.

[Alchemist21]

that's pretty obviously a catchup post alch

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

[Alchemist21]

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

The thing is Gamma hasn’t really commented on me since that game I fooled them as scum; before that they claimed to be an expert at reading me. That’s been a while ago, so for them to make such an odd comment towards me now, it seems like they feel they HAVE to comment on me for some reason.

[Alchemist21]

Y'all seriously going to take sheepy mc sheep Alchemist and not push him?

Explain how it’s scummy and maybe they will.

Of course then they’d be sheeping you and you’d have to vote them too.

Yuck
I’d kinda been liking Alchemist up to here but this is twisted

Really? I couldn't tell from your posts so far.

[Alchemist21]

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

The thing is Gamma hasn’t really commented on me since that game I fooled them as scum; before that they claimed to be an expert at reading me. That’s been a while ago, so for them to make such an odd comment towards me now, it seems like they feel they HAVE to comment on me for some reason.

And yet I don’t say anything until I react to that later post. Why do you think scum!me feels I have to acknowledge our history? It’s less important to me than my history with, say, MariaR or A50. Yes I did have a solid read record on you but unlike those two I don’t think we play together enough rn for me to care.

Maybe you thought it would be awkward if you didn’t acknowledge our history. If that’s not what it was then what was that comment on my rvs vote about?

[Alchemist21]

@Suji I hadn’t read much of anything before now, and I want to post a lead rist before voting rn.

You seem to have read and engaged now. Could you post your reads list?

I’ll expand later but for now my strong reads are like
Severa and Salamence town
Farkran and you scum

@anyone with experience with gamma: is it compatible with his meta to produce strong scum
reads after putting so much effort in catching up and trying to steal town leadership from a player she is TRing?

Strong reads sure. I don’t remember them stealing leadership before.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

Can I get a readslist, even if it sucks?

So far I’m only sure on Townreading Severa and Salamence. Severa’s main is someone I’ve played with a lot and I’m fairly confident this is their Town play. Regardless of whether Salamance’s claim is real or not, I don’t think scum would cave so easily to a fake guilty on them so I townread them for the response.

You’re the first one to reach out to me so you’re a bit Towny too.

Gamma’s the closes thing to a scumread I have right now but it’s not definite.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

I’m right here buddy.

I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

The thing is Gamma hasn’t really commented on me since that game I fooled them as scum; before that they claimed to be an expert at reading me. That’s been a while ago, so for them to make such an odd comment towards me now, it seems like they feel they HAVE to comment on me for some reason.

And yet I don’t say anything until I react to that later post. Why do you think scum!me feels I have to acknowledge our history? It’s less important to me than my history with, say, MariaR or A50. Yes I did have a solid read record on you but unlike those two I don’t think we play together enough rn for me to care.

Maybe you thought it would be awkward if you didn’t acknowledge our history.

If that’s not what it was then what was that comment on my rvs vote about?

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

I’m right here buddy.

I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

The thing is Gamma hasn’t really commented on me since that game I fooled them as scum; before that they claimed to be an expert at reading me. That’s been a while ago, so for them to make such an odd comment towards me now, it seems like they feel they HAVE to comment on me for some reason.

And yet I don’t say anything until I react to that later post. Why do you think scum!me feels I have to acknowledge our history? It’s less important to me than my history with, say, MariaR or A50. Yes I did have a solid read record on you but unlike those two I don’t think we play together enough rn for me to care.

Maybe you thought it would be awkward if you didn’t acknowledge our history.

If that’s not what it was then what was that comment on my rvs vote about?

While we’re at it you can explain what scum motivation you thought was in 254

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

I’m right here buddy.

I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

The thing is Gamma hasn’t really commented on me since that game I fooled them as scum; before that they claimed to be an expert at reading me. That’s been a while ago, so for them to make such an odd comment towards me now, it seems like they feel they HAVE to comment on me for some reason.

And yet I don’t say anything until I react to that later post. Why do you think scum!me feels I have to acknowledge our history? It’s less important to me than my history with, say, MariaR or A50. Yes I did have a solid read record on you but unlike those two I don’t think we play together enough rn for me to care.

Maybe you thought it would be awkward if you didn’t acknowledge our history.

If that’s not what it was then what was that comment on my rvs vote about?

The comment on the RVS vote was me disagreeing with your point on multiple level. I don’t think game choice is connected to play style, and defensiveness is not always scummy.
Is that all, it feels like you have more you want to talk about.

Why did you feel a need to disagree with it? Did you think any part of my post was serious?

[Alchemist21]

So far I’m only sure on Townreading Severa and Salamence. Severa’s main is someone I’ve played with a lot and I’m fairly confident this is their Town play. Regardless of whether Salamance’s claim is real or not, I don’t think scum would cave so easily to a fake guilty on them so I townread them for the response.

You’re the first one to reach out to me so you’re a bit Towny too.

Gamma’s the closes thing to a scumread I have right now but it’s not definite.

What do you think is your most non-consensus read atm?

Probably Gamma. I know other people are looking at them, but not for the same reasons I am.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

I’m right here buddy.

I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

The thing is Gamma hasn’t really commented on me since that game I fooled them as scum; before that they claimed to be an expert at reading me. That’s been a while ago, so for them to make such an odd comment towards me now, it seems like they feel they HAVE to comment on me for some reason.

And yet I don’t say anything until I react to that later post. Why do you think scum!me feels I have to acknowledge our history? It’s less important to me than my history with, say, MariaR or A50. Yes I did have a solid read record on you but unlike those two I don’t think we play together enough rn for me to care.

Maybe you thought it would be awkward if you didn’t acknowledge our history.

If that’s not what it was then what was that comment on my rvs vote about?

While we’re at it you can explain what scum motivation you thought was in 254

254 came across as a double discredit to me. You discredit his belief that sheeping is scummy by telling him to explain and then strawmanning his argument by saying the votes that would follow would also be sheep and need to be voted by that logic, which is not true imo. You also discredit any wagon led by him on you by creating the implication that the wagon would be dishonest via an assumed hypocrisy.

You are correct that it was a discredit, and that’s because we disagree on whether sheeping is scummy. This isn’t the first game I’ve been accused of being scum just because I followed consensus. It’s not an accurate tell, and I’m not even much of a sheep; I just agree with what I agree with, and agreeing with people doesn’t make someone scum.

[Alchemist21]

I can't argue with your opinion.

And, yes, I have stated where I agree with others. This is true. Consistently is not an adverb that is accurate, however.

I think it’s fair to say you have been agreeing with others a lot. Yes, you’ve raised points yourself but it seems like you’re more than happy to sit behind someone and cheerlead them. I think the Boonism for that action is warlocking? It comes across as scummy because you’re trying to promote the idea without taking as much responsibility. I know scum do this because I did it myself subconsciously once when I was starting out.

I’ll say it again - agreeing with consensus doesn’t make someone scum.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

I’m right here buddy.

I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

The thing is Gamma hasn’t really commented on me since that game I fooled them as scum; before that they claimed to be an expert at reading me. That’s been a while ago, so for them to make such an odd comment towards me now, it seems like they feel they HAVE to comment on me for some reason.

And yet I don’t say anything until I react to that later post. Why do you think scum!me feels I have to acknowledge our history? It’s less important to me than my history with, say, MariaR or A50. Yes I did have a solid read record on you but unlike those two I don’t think we play together enough rn for me to care.

Maybe you thought it would be awkward if you didn’t acknowledge our history.

If that’s not what it was then what was that comment on my rvs vote about?

The comment on the RVS vote was me disagreeing with your point on multiple level. I don’t think game choice is connected to play style, and defensiveness is not always scummy.
Is that all, it feels like you have more you want to talk about.

Why did you feel a need to disagree with it? Did you think any part of my post was serious?

It could have been serious but my post wasn’t 100% serious either
Like if I was really going to go after that do you think I just say “reeeeeach”?

I didn’t know how to take your post, and when that’s the only post about me and suddenly you’re saying I was Towny, it’s a little confusing.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

I’m right here buddy.

I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

The thing is Gamma hasn’t really commented on me since that game I fooled them as scum; before that they claimed to be an expert at reading me. That’s been a while ago, so for them to make such an odd comment towards me now, it seems like they feel they HAVE to comment on me for some reason.

And yet I don’t say anything until I react to that later post. Why do you think scum!me feels I have to acknowledge our history? It’s less important to me than my history with, say, MariaR or A50. Yes I did have a solid read record on you but unlike those two I don’t think we play together enough rn for me to care.

Maybe you thought it would be awkward if you didn’t acknowledge our history.

If that’s not what it was then what was that comment on my rvs vote about?

While we’re at it you can explain what scum motivation you thought was in 254

254 came across as a double discredit to me. You discredit his belief that sheeping is scummy by telling him to explain and then strawmanning his argument by saying the votes that would follow would also be sheep and need to be voted by that logic, which is not true imo. You also discredit any wagon led by him on you by creating the implication that the wagon would be dishonest via an assumed hypocrisy.

You are correct that it was a discredit, and that’s because we disagree on whether sheeping is scummy. This isn’t the first game I’ve been accused of being scum just because I followed consensus. It’s not an accurate tell, and I’m not even much of a sheep; I just agree with what I agree with, and agreeing with people doesn’t make someone scum.

Eh this kinda makes sense but the fact there’s so much I find wrong in that small post is not a good sign

I can be pretty sassy towards bad takes. The only things wrong are the ideas I’m scum for agreeing with people and that I’m scum for calling the previous idea a bad take.

[Alchemist21]

I can't argue with your opinion.

And, yes, I have stated where I agree with others. This is true. Consistently is not an adverb that is accurate, however.

I think it’s fair to say you have been agreeing with others a lot. Yes, you’ve raised points yourself but it seems like you’re more than happy to sit behind someone and cheerlead them. I think the Boonism for that action is warlocking? It comes across as scummy because you’re trying to promote the idea without taking as much responsibility. I know scum do this because I did it myself subconsciously once when I was starting out.

I’ll say it again - agreeing with consensus doesn’t make someone scum.

Yes, but the way he’s doing it is extremely shady. He’s like “ah yes, this makes sense”. I have noted in my history here two ways scum will agree with people that are solid tells imo. The first is where scum will support a townie’s idea by bolstering the Townie’s argument while adding little of their own content to it. This is what I mentioned I was caught for in the past earlier, and it serves scum because it helps keep them blameless. I have noticed Suji doing this in spades. The second method is when scum entrench themselves into one argument, then a Townie makes a better one and they hop on at full speed to the Townie’s idea. I caught scum doing this in a game that I can’t recall the name of but that I know had Aliens in the name, and the reason why it’s scummy is it’s a demonstration that they aren’t interested in honest discussion, they just want the argument that best suits them. I don’t recall Suji doing this but I feel like someone else may have done it this game if not him, so it’s something to keep in mind.

Adding a bit of your own perspective to something you agree with isn’t scummy at all. Idk where you get that from.

The second example I will agree is actually scummy, not because it’s sheeping but because the sudden switch when you were so entrenched in the previous argument shows a lack of conviction and sincerity in your own argument.

[Alchemist21]

So far I’m only sure on Townreading Severa and Salamence. Severa’s main is someone I’ve played with a lot and I’m fairly confident this is their Town play. Regardless of whether Salamance’s claim is real or not, I don’t think scum would cave so easily to a fake guilty on them so I townread them for the response.

You’re the first one to reach out to me so you’re a bit Towny too.

Gamma’s the closes thing to a scumread I have right now but it’s not definite.

What do you think is your most non-consensus read atm?

Probably Gamma. I know other people are looking at them, but not for the same reasons I am.

This feels like a copout, at least when you say it without reasons like this.

Without what reasons? I think my feelings on Gamma are pretty clear in my other posts?

[Alchemist21]

Your example non-consensus read is based on meta you have and other people don't, and is therefore difficult for any other player to evaluate unless you give something more of a basis for it. I would also have expected you to elaborate a bit on it rather than just saying "it's X."

I already elaborated when asked and my interaction with Gamma included me trying to make sense of what I was scumreading them for. Those explanations you want

are

already there.

[Alchemist21]

So far I’m only sure on Townreading Severa and Salamence. Severa’s main is someone I’ve played with a lot and I’m fairly confident this is their Town play. Regardless of whether Salamance’s claim is real or not, I don’t think scum would cave so easily to a fake guilty on them so I townread them for the response.

You’re the first one to reach out to me so you’re a bit Towny too.

Gamma’s the closes thing to a scumread I have right now but it’s not definite.

What do you think is your most non-consensus read atm?

Probably Gamma. I know other people are looking at them, but not for the same reasons I am.

Why does different reasons = non consensus for you? I don’t think there’s anything AI about this but you seem rather particular about this so I want to figure out your logic here.

The answer to that question should be obvious. If it's different from what everyone else was saying then it's not the consensus. And I was answering Evenstar asking what my most non-consensus read was, and this was as best as I could answer it.

[Alchemist21]

Your example non-consensus read is based on meta you have and other people don't, and is therefore difficult for any other player to evaluate unless you give something more of a basis for it. I would also have expected you to elaborate a bit on it rather than just saying "it's X."

I already elaborated when asked and my interaction with Gamma included me trying to make sense of what I was scumreading them for. Those explanations you want

are

already there.

Not sure you're really doing anything of value there, to be frank. I'd rec pivoting to examine someone else and coming back to Gamma later today.

I disagree. I think I'm coming around to a Town Gamma, and if Gamma and I both realize we're Town it adds a lot of value to the game. This is why I wanted to talk with Gamma, to try and get a better understanding of them here, and I think I am.

[Alchemist21]

if you're not committed you're trying to stall out D1, therefore Evenstar is scum

VOTE: Evenstar, even if hammer

wut?

The Day just started, how can someone be trying to stall it out?

[Alchemist21]

@Alch I think you slightly misinterpreted me. Adding a bit of your own perspective is not scummy, I agree with that, but I’m pretty sure I specified that adding nothing was part of the problem.

Oh, you're right. I thought that said "adding a little" instead of "adding little." Still not sure it's really scummy though.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: pops

Not impressed with pop's slot.

Can you elaborate on this?

[Alchemist21]

How I Actually Sort:
Legible Town | Legible Scum
Illegible Town | Illegible Scum

What does legible vs illegible mean?

[Alchemist21]

well at least I'm succeeding in causing confusion...

the scum shall not win, lest this timeline die...

For a minute there I thought you were saying you were deliberately trying to cause confusion.

[Alchemist21]

I don't think pops is town. Literally ez push after ez push and I still think TL is town.

How strong is your TL Townread?

[Alchemist21]

I don't think pops is town. Literally ez push after ez push and I still think TL is town.

How strong is your TL Townread?

Strong based on neighborhood. But this can change starting D2.

That and a volatile style aren’t really good reasons to be Townreading him to me.

[Alchemist21]

fite me

Put ‘em up, put ‘em up.

[Alchemist21]

Everything TemporalLich says is so backwards or weird that I can’t believe it’s not intentional.

VOTE: TemporalLich

[Alchemist21]

Also Hi Alchemist nice to see you again.

Can you bring chemist in here too?

I understand the confusion we’re not related. Now anyone who’s name starts with “Al” probably is related to me.

[Alchemist21]

In all seriousness, I would like to hear SEVERA’s new scumread or if its still kerset.

I wonder if GOD will find favor with this:

VOTE: Alchemist

Sala, do u still scum read pops?

Yeah, but alchemist came in once, voted TL, and then fucked off.

Doesn’t seem like I’ve missed much.

[Alchemist21]

I was townreading Chemist and am willing to fight about it.

Alchemist is failing to meet low expectations here.

Who's scum besides TL, Alchemist?

I’d say it’s likely at least 1 scum is on my wagon right now.

Your vote is the least understandable to me. You’ve seen me be like this is Town before so why am I scummy to you for “failing to meet low expectations?”

[Alchemist21]

@Severa what do you make of TemporalLich?

[Alchemist21]

if you don't give a shit about my kerset scumread which i've been super clear about why do you care about my other reads

I care about the Kerset read too. I just want a sanity check on TL.

[Alchemist21]

I was townreading Chemist and am willing to fight about it.

Alchemist is failing to meet low expectations here.

Who's scum besides TL, Alchemist?

I’d say it’s likely at least 1 scum is on my wagon right now.

Your vote is the least understandable to me. You’ve seen me be like this is Town before so why am I scummy to you for “failing to meet low expectations?”

I think my word choice is pretty clear that I'm indicating you're actually being even worse than starcraft.

I do actually like red!gamma better based on expectations vs. reality, but it's getting hard to deny that's a vanity wagon.

In starcraft I was an investigative JOAT and my activity level jumped after I claimed and knew I was on limited time. Why haven’t you considered there might be a similar case here?

[Alchemist21]

I was townreading Chemist and am willing to fight about it.

Alchemist is failing to meet low expectations here.

Who's scum besides TL, Alchemist?

I’d say it’s likely at least 1 scum is on my wagon right now.

Your vote is the least understandable to me. You’ve seen me be like this is Town before so why am I scummy to you for “failing to meet low expectations?”

Actually i think your wagon is pretty townie, i was about to jump on it too but i had two reasons not to, one of which being i am afraid to mess up the vc and lolhammer by accident due to the different vote amounts given to the players, how much are you at?

I keep forgetting we all have multiple votes and was counting the slots. 4 people voted me then Sala unvoted, so 8 or 9 votes right now I think.

[Alchemist21]

Looked back through Kerset’s ISO and a Kerset/pops partnership does make a lot of sense.

VOTE: Kerset

[Alchemist21]

Looked back through Kerset’s ISO and a Kerset/pops partnership does make a lot of sense.

VOTE: Kerset

Did you? You basically just vote everything that gets voted...

Yeah. You kinda waffled on your read on pops but you didn’t on any other read. I can see that as scum who doesn’t want to take a definitive stance on a buddy.

[Alchemist21]

I dont understand “endgame potential”

Its day 1, who gives a fuck about endgame.

Like shouldnt scum be the ones worried about who is in lylo? Town should focus on winning before lylo.

(This is a meta/theory question, not game relevant)

Lylo is better when the remaining slots are easier to read.

Trying to setup a good lylo and scum hunting aren’t mutually exclusive.

[Alchemist21]

Pre-unvote tally:
Kerset: Evenstar (2), Chemist (2), Severa (3), Salamence (4), Bitmap (2), Alchemist (3) = 16, 3 from hammer
Order of votes not correct, literally just hand tallied this fast

Yeah, let's not let anybody claim "accidental" hammer.

Do you think it was so easy from Severa's charisma alone?

lol no. Kerset

could

still be scum though. Very interested in Alchemist's vote in particular. @Alchemist21, care to explain that?

I looked back on Kerset because Severa is confident on this one and they usually have good reads, and then I saw the waffling on Pops that I pointed out, and combined with the scumread I have on pops’ vote on me, the idea that Kerset and Pops are scum together made a lot of sense.

[Alchemist21]

Alch21 sheeping me is not meaningfully Ai one way or the other

Yeah even though hes done it to every fucking wagon today?

Towns would win more games if people would realize how important Town cohesion is.

[Alchemist21]

Is that supposed to be an excuse for your lazy play?

It’s not an excuse. Towns tear themselves apart all the time because everyone just has to have their token lynch instead of working together as a team. And I’ve been guilty of it myself and let me tell you it’s fucking frustrating trying to push a preferred wagon that you’re extremely confident on but nobody wants to join. I’ll take the solidarity over the frustration.

[Alchemist21]

Farkran is scummy. He is doing a reliable job of mimicking his high level of analysis he has as town, but the analysis is seems low quality/wrong too often, in ways where it'd be okay if it happened once but over and over it seems like he's being forced to scumread town or townread scum or use the correct answer and work backwards.
Salamence pointed out Venus and Mars are sheeping less than Alchemist, but I would go way further and say nothing about V&M iso is particularly sheepy, V&M has one of the more independent isos to me. Accusing them of being sheepy for reaching the same

conclusions

of other players seems like something that would only occur to a Farkran that is frustrated by a correctly identified townblock or delighting in teasing a slot for making the same misread the rest of the game is.
Sorry he missed my late night readslist.

Pops is definitely town, not touching that wagon with a ten foot pole.

Can you explain Town Pops a bit more?

[Alchemist21]

me, leaning towards town for emotionally tunneling me

Emotional tunnels are NAI for Nancy.

[Alchemist21]

I wish Shiro was around because I think I could read Shiro better than I can read Nancy.

[Alchemist21]

I wish Shiro was around because I think I could read Shiro better than I can read Nancy.

I’m more interested in hearing your read on Fakran and why you’re responding as if his claim of my making an emotional tunnel isn’t straight up bs.

I’ve been thinking Farkran is Town for a while. You might not have been tunneling but I do think Farkran perceived it that way and it was worth pointing out that it’s NAI anyway.

[Alchemist21]

alchemist why are you aligning pops and kerset for specifically the reason why you should disalign them?

Because it’s actually a reason to align them and not disalign them.

[Alchemist21]

Chemist might be associated to pops, too little content to determine.

Gamma, same as chemist, but i would guess pops' slight SR of her might be either distancing or maintaining a window of opportunity to lynch her later if he's town.

You’re gonna have to explain how you think these slots are aligned with pops when you count out other partnerships for similar reasons.

[Alchemist21]

alchemist why are you aligning pops and kerset for specifically the reason why you should disalign them?

Because it’s actually a reason to align them and not disalign them.

Scumpartners do not play along like that... do you know the history of pops and kerset together?

Prior games? No. And as I said before, Kerset waffled on his pops read which read like scum who didn’t want to form a definite stance on their buddy. When scum is like that but feel pressured into forming a stance on them they can get tripped up like that.

[Alchemist21]

Despite what any of you may think, pops is actually an awesome player.

When did anyone say they weren’t?

[Alchemist21]

i'm like

objectively better than lld

Then prove it by winning even when the town doesn't give a fuck what you're saying.

Ok wtf is this comment. I don’t care who it’s directed at, this is a really shitty expectation to put on anybody. It’s impossible to get anything done when nobody listens to what you’re saying.

[Alchemist21]

i'm like

objectively better than lld

Then prove it by winning even when the town doesn't give a fuck what you're saying.

Ok wtf is this comment. I don’t care who it’s directed at, this is a really shitty expectation to put on anybody. It’s impossible to get anything done when nobody listens to what you’re saying.

Aight, fair. Is it scummy, though?

Opposite actually. As much as I hate it, the sentiment comes from Town more often than not.

[Alchemist21]

1v1.

Such a stupid term I cant believe its a thing

It’s a Mad Max reference. Just like how WIFOM is a Princess Bride reference.

[Alchemist21]

Is alchemist21 a full metal alchemist reference?

Of course!

[Alchemist21]

While you are here, alch, would you like to take a stance on the current gamestate?

I’m interested in seeing how kerset wagon vs pops wagon plays out. I’m wondering if the pops wagon breaks down will the voted swing back to Kerset or will they go somewhere else, and I’m also wondering if more voted will come to Kerset in response to the pops wagon.

[Alchemist21]

What's your favorite full metal alchemist character I had most of the cards from that collab. I can show you while I am getting Venus to try to make Nancy drew happy.
I have two Edward Elric but if you evolve him into a cap and make another monster dress up as him it's stronger than just using him and it's expensive to devolve him.
But I have Riza Hawkeye, Ling Yao, Maes Hughes, Louis Armstrong and Winry Rockbell.
I will spoiler box it and you have to promise only to look if you're town

Gotta say I’m pretty partial to Ling myself. The dude just willingly accepted the Philosopher’s stone, managed to keep his mind from being permanently overshadowed by Greed, and even managed to get Greed on his side. You just have to admire that kind of willpower.

[Alchemist21]

I don’t really get the Farkran wagon.

[Alchemist21]

Looked back through Kerset’s ISO and a Kerset/pops partnership does make a lot of sense.

VOTE: Kerset

Looked back through Kerset’s ISO and a Kerset/pops partnership does make a lot of sense.

VOTE: Kerset

Did you? You basically just vote everything that gets voted...

Yeah. You kinda waffled on your read on pops but you didn’t on any other read. I can see that as scum who doesn’t want to take a definitive stance on a buddy.

[Alchemist21]

While you are here, alch, would you like to take a stance on the current gamestate?

I’m interested in seeing how kerset wagon vs pops wagon plays out. I’m wondering if the pops wagon breaks down will the voted swing back to Kerset or will they go somewhere else, and I’m also wondering if more voted will come to Kerset in response to the pops wagon.

Looked back through Kerset’s ISO and a Kerset/pops partnership does make a lot of sense.

VOTE: Kerset

Looked back through Kerset’s ISO and a Kerset/pops partnership does make a lot of sense.

VOTE: Kerset

Did you? You basically just vote everything that gets voted...

Yeah. You kinda waffled on your read on pops but you didn’t on any other read. I can see that as scum who doesn’t want to take a definitive stance on a buddy.

Er... do you realize there is something big going on here? I mean my question about why you're scumreading kerset was pretty much to confirm whether you were aware that you're scumreading kerset

because

you're scumreading pops, and your stance about the current wagons is to see whether kerset would be a counterwagon to pops? I mean the wagons already developed from kerset into farkran into pops, what do you have to say about this?

If my theory about them being scum together is correct then I think Kerset is a strong scum role and they were willing to let Pops get lynched, and then Farkran became a counterwagon to both.

[Alchemist21]

Trim the quotes in the next response to me because we’re making quote walls like when I talked to Gamma.

[Alchemist21]

because he says he thinks that kerset is a strong scum role whereas they were fine having pops get lynched. not at all sure how much sense that makes in the context of the actual game but if it did make sense the logic does apply.

Yeah, so... alchemist has two thirds of a gamesolve in his mind but he wants to lynch the stronger role in the scumteam to prevent the apocalypse kerset is causing n1 thanks to his overly awesome powers that do not even cost mp to use,

before we lynch him d2?

Alchemist, please explain this to me, i don't think severa read properly into your mind, because it doesn't make a lot of sense really

(@severa i know you weren't being serious)

Severa has it right, I want to lynch the scum I think has the stronger role.

The part I bolded in your post is based on a flawed assumption that because we lynch one of them today and they flip scum means we’ll lynch the other D2. D2 wagons usually wildly vary from what one would expect at the end of D2 because after another 2 weeks new stuff happens and peoples’ reads change. I don’t have a lot of faith in Town’s ability to 1-2 combo scum.

[Alchemist21]

Took me a while to catch up on all these pages. Surprised nobody hammered yet when there’s a counterclaim.

VOTE: Pops

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Kerset

[Alchemist21]

I think that exact 1/2 of Alchemist/Kerset is scum

But not both

Then vote Kerset with me.

[Alchemist21]

I'm tired of playing this gimmick and I want to just play normally.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone maintain a gimmick for an entire game.

[Alchemist21]

I've done it before. I just don't enjoy the whole sheep me losers thing as much anymore.

Alchemist do you have a night action

I don't want to disclose much about my role right now.

[Alchemist21]

Actually I think there's a 3rd party.

Town vig shooting Evenstar is dumb and game throwing

Why do you keep suggesting ideas other than scum shot Evenstar?

[Alchemist21]

Makes absolutely no sense.

Maybe that's why they did it?

When there's only 1 kill I always just assume that kill came from scum unless it was on scum.

[Alchemist21]

Chill I'm sure mod will read it soon.

Mod is too busy admiring their new haircut.

[Alchemist21]

We have time to discuss this in-depth.

If your claim is true, the scumteam has probably access to:

1) Factional kill
2) Stun as a night ability
3) Votegift as a night ability

I... just don't see this being real.

Otherwise, Stun could be a vote-reaction ability. Who did you vote besides me? Who voted you?

pedit: hardly

What if there's a votegift that redirected onto Salamence?

[Alchemist21]

Just how messed up do we think this setup is?

I wouldn't put a redirector past this game.

[Alchemist21]

I do agree this situation is weird though and I don't know what to make of it.

[Alchemist21]

Before I proceed to catch up, is the majority of the posts that I missed Farkran and Salamence20 arguing about statuses?

Basically.

[Alchemist21]

Kinda did it to yourself.

[Alchemist21]

Thats why youre voting me.

Im flipping town though and I wish yall would take RCs advice and ignore me until you lynch town.

Dont let me screw up the perfect town win.

RC just said he wants to lynch you today though???

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Salamence

[Alchemist21]

Somebody hit me with the Charm Status.

[Alchemist21]

I know scum's last PR.

What is it?

[Alchemist21]

Somebody hit me with the Charm Status.

What is charm status?

Prevents me from using memoria, magia/doppel, or Night actions (excluding factional kills).

[Alchemist21]

That's how it was described to me in the PM that said I got charmed, and it wasn't referencing my specific abilities, it was saying how it would affect any player it was used on.

[Alchemist21]

No, I was told the cut-and-dry effect of the status ailment. I'm paraphrasing what I was told so I don't get modkilled for quoting the PM.

[Alchemist21]

@Bitmap, @TL,

what really went on in that hood while RC was alive?

[Alchemist21]

That's not important.

Kinda is. Did he tell you guys who he used his Follow Up ability on?

Just how messed up do we think this setup is?

I wouldn't put a redirector past this game.

You're probably not the redirector?

I'm not.

[Alchemist21]

TL is almost confirmed town. I know scum's last PR. There's a fucking SK I told you guys.

Why is there an SK? Imo it’s much more likely vig or some other myriad of killing roles based on V&M and my roles.

Apologies, Venus and Mars. I asked RadiantCowbells for their reads on the remaining scum yesterday and wasn't provided an answer, so I went based on his ISO.

My skill is "My True Nature" which allows me to remove one vote from a target provided they have three or more votes currently on this. My cooldown for this is 2 phases.
My ability is "The Mao Family Is As Rowdy As Ever" which grants me a 25% chance to block a status ailment.
My 100MP ability (which I used last night) is "Blitz Stride" where I get 2 votes and choose a target to kill.
My 200MP ability (which I calculated was unreachable based on my discs) is "Hornet Javelin" where I get 3 votes and choose a target to kill; however, it will only work if the target is not a Kamihama Magical Girl. I also become able to survive one kill attempt the night this is activated.

I don't think this comes from a SK, so i'll probably believe it.

You should have listened to me btw, V&M was almost never scum in this game from how she played in d1

I actually think Suji’s role is a little too stacked to be a vig. Town vigs don’t usually include protection like his role does; SK’s are the ones who usually get that kind of combo.

[Alchemist21]

Somebody hit me with the Charm Status.

Somebody hit me with the Charm Status.

What is charm status?

Prevents me from using memoria, magia/doppel, or Night actions (excluding factional kills).

Another soft-roleblocking ability? I don't think scum has access to this though. Bewitch has an ambiguous description and does not block magia, but if scum had Charm as you described, no way salamence would have said he was stunned over this.

I’m fairly sure Charm didn’t come from scum just because it explicitly says it doesn’t stop factional kills. I also think I have a pretty good idea of who charmed me.

[Alchemist21]

I actually think Suji’s role is a little too stacked to be a vig. Town vigs don’t usually include protection like his role does; SK’s are the ones who usually get that kind of combo.

This might make sense but we'll take care of scum first, then if we don't get a town win we'll go after sks

Agreed. I’d rather hit the scum first too.

[Alchemist21]

pops did u roll scum again?

Sala did u roll scum?

VOTE: gamma

This wil be hilarious if Bitmap is actually scum.

[Alchemist21]

In Normal games at least, a Bodyguard doesn’t stop a Strongman.

[Alchemist21]

Bitmap you never answered if RC talked about using his abilities in the hood.

[Alchemist21]

Bitmap you never answered if RC talked about using his abilities in the hood.

Evenstar

We have time anyways.

Why do you think you have been redirected, rather than strongmanned through, for instance?

I would have died instead of RC? Like if they strongmanned, how am I still alive?

Reading the strongman description in ms wiki, strongman against bodyguarded target acts like the bg is roleblocked

I see. I didn't know that honestly.

Just Evenstar? His ability copied one players actions onto a second player. That needs at least 2 names.

[Alchemist21]

@TemporalLich

Are Bitmap’s statements about RC in the Hood true? If he’s lying and pressuring you to go with it you need to ignore it and tell us the truth.

[Alchemist21]

@TemporalLich

Are Bitmap’s statements about RC in the Hood true? If he’s lying and pressuring you to go with it you need to ignore it and tell us the truth.

I'm gonna need you to clarify this question...

Bitmap says RC tried to use his Follow Up ability on Evenstar and himself. That true?

[Alchemist21]

It’s probably best if I don’t claim yet.

[Alchemist21]

No I don’t.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Gamma

[Alchemist21]

+ i know for sure someone has been lying about his powers because i have been poisoned and fogged d2, but the only claimed fogger is chemist, and he said he didn't do it

Chemist was poisoned the same Day you were, so there are 2 possibilities:

1) Chemist poisoned you but has to poison himself when he poisons a target.

2) RC lied to the hood about how he was going to use his Follow Up ability and actually copied the Poisoner’s ability onto one of you.

The second possibility has been on my mind for a while and is why I kept prying for info from the Hood because I thought maybe knowing who RC targeted would tell us the last scum, or that if he lied to the Hood then he probably had a reason for doing so.

[Alchemist21]

All that said it probably makes more sense to go for Chemist first.

VOTE: Chemist

[Alchemist21]

Oh.

I don’t think that changes much other than having to include the possibility Farkran poisons themself when they poison their target. There’s also the chance Chemist is able to inflict Status ailments back at the people who hit him with one. There’s something screwy between those 2 and in all likelihood I think Chemist is the source of that screwiness.

[Alchemist21]

That's not a scum slip wtf
I'd assume that is stated in the message saying you got hit by it, or he asked about it

And what is your idea of my town self because you might be off base because of not having a wide breadth of experience with me
Because like to be saying that the whole game is very bold

Charm is stated in this way.

I told him this 2 days ago and he didn’t listen.

[Alchemist21]

I already said I’m not claiming today.

[Alchemist21]

I still think Chemist is the better choice but I’ll hammer Gamma if nobody agrees.

[Alchemist21]

Did Kerset Charm Chemist?

[Alchemist21]

To make myself bulletproof.

[Alchemist21]

Ok so basically useless. Can you claim now?

May as well. My character is Kokoro Awane. Being bulletproof is basically all I'm good for.

[Alchemist21]

Kerset confirmed that yesterday. Why don't you pay attention to what people tell you?

[Alchemist21]

That depends on if anyone else claims to have been Charmed.

[Alchemist21]

Who did you try to bodyguard last Night?

[Alchemist21]

Careful with votes though.

Alchemist, you must fullclaim now.

My bulletproof ability is a 100 MP cost Magia called Surging Release.

I do have a 200 MP Doppel, called Pamela (Doppel of Endurance), that can kill anyone who tries to kill me but I haven’t been able to use it. I was trying to save up for it but I figured if scum were going to kill me it would have been last Night.

I have a skill Memoria called Tsukasa’s Treasure that gives an extra 10 MP when I use an Accele disc. It has a 4 phase cooldown.

Like Venus and Mars, I don’t have an actual Night Action that could be used every Night.

[Alchemist21]

Why did you refuse to claim yesterday when your ability was simply to protect yourself?

Was trying to draw the NK.

[Alchemist21]

Well that’s where you’re wrong. Scum can get nervous about unknowns.

[Alchemist21]

Farkran, does the hood get locked if TemporalLich dies?

[Alchemist21]

Well if the answer isn’t known to the rest of the hood it’s answer enough. Bodyguarding TL seems like an odd choice for Bitmap unless it was known that the hood would be locked if TL died.

[Alchemist21]

Oh I thought it was all the same hood.

So do they go away if you die and if so did Bitmap know of that fact?

[Alchemist21]

Who has TL Doc'd?

And Chemist claimed Fogger.

[Alchemist21]

I still think last scum in Alchemist/Farkran/Chemist.

That's the worst POE you could have right now.

I'm cleared by Charm.

Chemist is cleared by Stun.

Farkran is cleared by Poison.

VOTE: Bitmap

[Alchemist21]

You think we have 2 bulletproofs?

Yes. Why do you think there can't be 2?

[Alchemist21]

No, lynch Bitmap. His PoE sucks and he's trying to use RC's reads to legitimize it.

RC can be wrong and has been wrong about me in a past game.

[Alchemist21]

TL I pray to god im not being pocketed...

Like this post shows he knows I'm going to flip Town.

[Alchemist21]

nice way to spell scum, are you in dimension 6?

If he knew I was going to flip scum he wouldn't be worried about you pocketing him.

What is Dimension 6?

[Alchemist21]

nice way to spell scum, are you in dimension 6?

If he knew I was going to flip scum he wouldn't be worried about you pocketing him.

What is Dimension 6?

seems like you know too much like bitmap said...

Like what?

[Alchemist21]

Ugh. Why are you like this? You didn't listen when I told you how Charm works and you're not listening now.

[Alchemist21]

Yeah that's hammer.

[Alchemist21]

Good game everyone.

[Alchemist21]

Good game. Can I ask why you guys didn't kill RC N1?

Evenstar suspected Sala and we couldn't break through your bodyguard yet to get RC.

[Alchemist21]

Any who, TK thank you for the game.

+1

[Alchemist21]

Also everyone please applaud for yourself, this is the first game I had without replacements!

RC replaced Severa tho

[Alchemist21]

pops could of claimed jailkeeper imo.

Also I still don't understand why Sala claimed rolecop early.

That was both our faults.

We fell for RC’s parity Cop claim hard.