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Why do you think Yshtola Rhul would lie about this? This is posed to both EspressoPatronum and GlowingOvineChimes.In post 48, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:
I agree. The chances of that are so slimIn post 47, EspressoPatronum wrote:
Can you tell me what cards you rolled in the other two setups?In post 38, Yshtola Rhul wrote:[...]
If I had the choice of a scum role, I would have picked it.
Sadly, I did not roll a single alignment other than town in all three setups. It's quite distressing, actually.
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Would you explain to me how you arrived at your ranking list based on the announced discard?In post 59, EspressoPatronum wrote:In post 51, Titus wrote:Espresso, why no comment on Cakes discard?
I've been looking at most of the scum discards as roughly the same - etter than a town discard but not necessarily AI. Kerset's jumped out as +town though because it would be an amazing scum ability for maf/WW/SK but less useful for town.In post 49, EspressoPatronum wrote:[...]
I don't think [CSF'd discard is] a bad discard, but I no longer think it's a +town discard. I'd lump it in with theother scum discards.
If I had to rank the others in terms of how much I like them, I'd say:
Great:
Kerset - SK alien immune
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TL - WW tracker
Cake - WW cop
Null:
Suji - maf goon
CSF - alpha WW
Bad/not useful for our info:
Titus - alien BP lover
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I have played with TrueSoulEnergy, Kerset, and TemporalLich previously. What are you intending to get out of this question?In post 100, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:Has anyone played with anyone else from this game in other games?-
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Thank you. That was helpful, and it makes sense to me.
A couple of questions:
If we cannot glean much information from this discard, and it would make sense for any faction to discard it, why do you have it as bad?In post 213, EspressoPatronum wrote:- UT - hirsute mafia goon. An objectively terrible card for any faction, but it's really bad for mafia. The maf goon would get guiltied from seers AND cops. There are few cards worse than this imo, so we can't glean much info from this discard.
How is Tracker better than Watcher in this regard? I would assume in a game like this, there are going to be a lot of roles with potential actions that will be able to be tracked and not just from a Mafia alignment.In post 213, EspressoPatronum wrote:- TL - WW tracker. A tracker is great for scum, as it helps them hunt for enemy scum factions. It's less reliable than a specific investigative, but it can still narrow down options.
- What differentiates "not useful for our info" and "Null?"
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This is true. However, if she were Town she could also lie. I was wanting you to tell me your thoughts on why you think that sheIn post 220, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:If he were scum, he could very well lie.wouldlie. What benefit does it give her?-
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Your intent behind supporting EspressoPatronum's thoughts with regard to the probability of this occurring, and the genuineness of your thought process as to why Yshtola Rhul would lie.In post 226, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:
What do you hope to glean from this line of questioning?In post 224, Sujimichi wrote:
This is true. However, if she were Town she could also lie. I was wanting you to tell me your thoughts on why you think that sheIn post 220, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:If he were scum, he could very well lie.wouldlie. What benefit does it give her?
I will note that you have attempted to dodge my question by asking a question of your own. Would you please answer?-
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One could say that, but she did not. Sometimes how someone arrives at their answer is just as important, if not more so, than the answer itself. Why did you feel the need to interject here?In post 238, Kerset wrote:LoL You could say that GOC was trying to check "genuineness of Y'shtola thought process". He asked what is the point of your question because its stupid Suji.-
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I find it interesting that you assumed the reasoning behind GlowingOvineChime's question without it being stated either prior to my response or following my response whilst simultaneously giving an answer for her that was not given. You are projecting your own thoughts, not hers (though she is free to state this was her intent if so), and I do not know if I find your explanation of concern for the Town's overall wellbeing as a viable explanation.
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How so? It is fairly apparent that he has been wanting to claim his role, for whatever reason, for a while.In post 243, SirCakez wrote:I don't buy non imh's claim it came out in a sketchy as fuck manner.-
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Who did you watch last night?In post 269, TemporalLich wrote:I would take cBG or mason over conspiracy theorist if I were BBmolla
I would definitely not use Survivor as an alignment, I'd rather be VT lol-
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I do not understand. How does your predisposition to being read as Mafia due to your username preclude you from announcing what you should see as a guilty in your first post and prior to being prompted? Would that not make you more likely to be read as Mafia?In post 287, TemporalLich wrote:
Because people seem to SR me for being TLIn post 286, Sujimichi wrote:Why was that not your first post? Why did you wait until you were prompted?-
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Correct. This is my reservation.In post 294, SirCakez wrote:TL could also just be gambitting scum betting that with so many town dead they can pull off an easy mislynch
Caution wouldn't hurt here-
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Is this stated with certainty, or is it your belief?In post 298, Pink Ball wrote:TL you're lying-
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Apologies. That was directed to the player base at large and was not specific to you.In post 307, Pink Ball wrote:That's why I'm voting TL-
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Why do you say this?In post 310, TemporalLich wrote:Pink Ball likely isn't town regardless-
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I would like to hear your thoughts beyond this sentiment. This is the second time you have stated it. What do you think now that there is a possible guilty on Cat Scratch Fever, and that Untrod Tripod has claimed the kill on Titus?In post 317, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:
AgreedIn post 294, SirCakez wrote:TL could also just be gambitting scum betting that with so many town dead they can pull off an easy mislynch
Caution wouldn't hurt here
We need to slowwwwww down guys
We can't let scum coast away with this game
I'd like to hear from everyone before putting my vote down
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Apologies, but this is a team game and you deprive the rest of the Town a full day to look back on.In post 323, Titus wrote:
Hammered to avoid nk and detest day 1.In post 270, SirCakez wrote:I'm shocked Titus was town btw after that hammer-
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Why are you voting Pink Ball over your guilty? That does not make sense.In post 331, TemporalLich wrote:VOTE: Pink Ball
You're causing too much confusion and WIFOM for this game.
You're either scum, or you're scum.
I am willing to unvote when this hits L-2 if further discussion is needed.-
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This was my thought Day 1, but I did not have a chance to explore it fully. I am currently still of this thought.In post 345, Pink Ball wrote:Guy above me is probably scum too-
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Apologies, but he claimed to have watched Yshtola Rhul and saw Cat Scratch Fever visiting her.In post 352, Pink Ball wrote:
Because he claimed watching CSF and CSF was roleblockedIn post 349, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:
Why couldn't he be watcher like he claimed?In post 348, SirCakez wrote:TL is flailing scum-
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I do not believe it an equivalent statement, which is why I wanted to clarify it. If TemporalLich watched Cat Scratch Fever, your roleblock would not have an effect on his action as players could still target Cat Scratch Fever and he would have seen the players that targeted Cat Scratch Fever instead of the other way around.In post 357, Pink Ball wrote:
Potato potatoIn post 353, Sujimichi wrote:
Apologies, but he claimed to have watched Yshtola Rhul and saw Cat Scratch Fever visiting her.In post 352, Pink Ball wrote:
Because he claimed watching CSF and CSF was roleblockedIn post 349, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:
Why couldn't he be watcher like he claimed?In post 348, SirCakez wrote:TL is flailing scum-
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Why do you believe this?In post 354, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:Ok I'm fairly convinced that pinkball and suki are both town-
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There is very necessarily one Mafia member between TemporalLich and Cat Scratch Fever. Why are you voting outside of this currently?
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TemporalLich watched Ysthola Rhul who died last night. He states that he saw Cat Scratch Fever visit, and does not state that he saw anyone else visit. This implies that Cat Scratch Fever is the only player to have visited Yshtola Rhul the night she died. So:In post 364, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:
Explain to me again why this MUST be so. Is there no scenario in which they can both be town?In post 360, Sujimichi wrote:There is very necessarily one Mafia member between TemporalLich and Cat Scratch Fever. Why are you voting outside of this currently?
- TemporalLich is telling the truth. This means that Cat Scratch Fever must have killed Yshtola Rhul. There was no reason for a Town-aligned role to target Yshtola Rhul with a kill last night as opposed to a player such as Titus, which Untrod Tripod has stated he killed. This, of course, does not mean Untrod Tripod is necessarily Town, but it is enough that he is not the focus for today.
- TemporalLich is lying. As Town, TemporalLich has no reason to lie. So, if he is lying he must be Mafia (or non-Town aligned).
- Pink Ball claims to have roleblocked Cat Scratch Fever last night which means either Cat Scratch Fever is a Strongman-role and #1 above is true or Cat Scratch Fever is not a Strongman-role and #2 is true
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I have considered the first option, but it does not hurt the game to have the explanation written out, and I was asked.In post 367, Untrod Tripod wrote:have you considered that perhaps GOC is trying super hard to prevent a lynch on her buddy for reasons that are unclear at this time
or that she's dumb
either way I don't know much you explaining something that literally everyone else has somehow managed to absorb is going to make a difference-
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If TemporalLich is lying it is likely that he is the one who performed the kill. If a Tracker exists, and he was tracked to the kill, he had a built-in excuse with his Day 1 Watcher claim. This is part of the reason I was suspicious as to the timing of his guilty claim.In post 391, Kerset wrote:If TL lied then the real killer was aware of it and he is the most likely to call this out. I doubt that pink would gamble on fakeblocking you but your account might matter in the future.-
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Pink Ball's result does not directly contradict TemporalLich's result as there is a role that exists that could negate Pink Ball's roleblock. However, TemporalLich's result directly contradicts Cat Scratch Fever's assertion that she did not target anyone last night.In post 398, SirCakez wrote:
Your result contradicts TL so it's you vs him???In post 396, Pink Ball wrote:It's between TL and CSF but whatever
If TL is town then both CSF and you are scum-
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I agree, and you have the ability to cast the deciding vote should you wish to.
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I am not sure how this is relevant to the current state of the game. Why do you continue to answer my questions with a question instead of answering?In post 413, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:Let's assume that there are 2 factions and one vig to account for the 3 nks, who would be the top 3 targets for the big, in no particular order?-
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Which do you believe is lying?In post 415, Kerset wrote:Does the number of scum change the fact that we need to pick correctly? We need to decide which one is scum no matter how far are we from mylo.-
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This has no relevance to my explanation as to why there is a direct contradiction between your stated result and Cat Scratch Fever's stated no action, yet one does not exist with Pink Ball's result.In post 425, TemporalLich wrote:
Why would anyone openly admit to performing a factional nightkill?In post 400, Sujimichi wrote:
Pink Ball's result does not directly contradict TemporalLich's result as there is a role that exists that could negate Pink Ball's roleblock. However, TemporalLich's result directly contradicts Cat Scratch Fever's assertion that she did not target anyone last night.In post 398, SirCakez wrote:
Your result contradicts TL so it's you vs him???In post 396, Pink Ball wrote:It's between TL and CSF but whatever
If TL is town then both CSF and you are scum
Someone who does is 100% openwolfing-
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This is untrue and does not form the initial basis of the contradiction.In post 432, TemporalLich wrote:Suji doesn't know the concept of TMI, and thinks scum are brazen enough to openly admit nightkills inthread-
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In post 403, Pink Ball wrote:It's so nice to have a townread. Both Suji and CSF are good town targets for scum so I'll try to protect them since it will be my last night
Why did you change your mind?In post 475, Pink Ball wrote:I roleblocked UT lol-
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Apologies. I misunderstood what you meant.In post 495, Pink Ball wrote:
I didn't. I roleblocked the dude I thought had a killing actionIn post 491, Sujimichi wrote:In post 403, Pink Ball wrote:It's so nice to have a townread. Both Suji and CSF are good town targets for scum so I'll try to protect them since it will be my last night
Why did you change your mind?In post 475, Pink Ball wrote:I roleblocked UT lol-
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In post 514, Kerset wrote:alingment: Vanilla Townie
ability: Town One-Shot Dayvig
I guess then Suji is nextDiscard: Mafia Goon
Ability: Town Watcher
Alignment: Town Jack-of-all-trades
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I have a result from Night 1 that I do not wish to share at this moment. I watched Cat Scratch Fever last night and no one visited.-
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How does the game become nightless?In post 552, Pink Ball wrote:That's great. If game hasn't ended Id suggest lynching the baby seal and if THAT doesn't ends the game then at least it becomes nightless allegedly and we let EP target everyone-
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Then why did you choose me and GlowingOvineChimes specifically if "that could really be said about everyone who is left except Pink Ball?"In post 560, SirCakez wrote:No particular reason he's just not sticking out as a townread to me.
That could really be said about everyone who is left except Pink Ball though..-
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TemporalLich claimed Town Watcher.In post 563, EspressoPatronum wrote:I'm assuming that's why TL and CSF claimed VT -- it's easy to get away with.-
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Why did you not assume he could have been a Mafia Seer? I would think that it would be a beneficial power as that alignment.In post 563, EspressoPatronum wrote:2) While it's hard for me to now prove my role, I can still be used to validate existing claims. For what it's worth, I made a comment earlier about SirCakez having a reduced chance of being scum. My thought process there is that picking the seer power as WW is terrible, so he's almost certainly not WW.-
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