Mini 2129 - Anime U-Pick: Shuffle [ALL HAIL THE WEEBS(OVER)]

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VOTE: Hiraki
welcome back to the site my guy!
-ali

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also I should probably point out i don't usually sign

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

because only scum double post

HA
HA
FUNNY

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personally i kind watch anything or whatever interests me

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ive also been reading some mangas for shows i liked and web novels
i still need to finish that time i got reincarnated as a slime

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also if i knew this was a shuffle i probably wouldn't have joined but see
the real gameplay for me comes from hydraing with mastina

i was stoned as fuck when i made this decision

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also i really should get an avatar 1 sec

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you know
now that i think about it
i think i vaguely remember the term "shuffle" being used in sign-ups

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Did we all get tricked into thinking the upick was straight up?

thank you btw

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now that I am thinking about it, I think it might be optimal to massclaim flavor.

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Theoretically we have a bunch of one-way neighborhoods but there's probably a downside to claiming flavor

what possible downside is there for just massclaiming flavor
its literally just flavor and massclaiming it just makes everyone sure who is connected to who
town's winrate doesn't really go up or down from massclaiming flavor

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like as a game designer, if I really didn't want people to claim flavor and break the game that way, then I would put it in the rules.
The only advantage is that people now know who they're communicating with and like, thats not REALLY that much of a big deal, especially if you only design neighborhoods for your entertainment not the players.

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Also its an anime weeb upick

you would have to be some kind of really evil person if you told the weebs they weren't allowed to talk about their favorite animu and what they picked.

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We're Kabuto Hanadori

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it's probably fine

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If people know who they're communicating too, then it makes town cohesion stronger

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I disagree, I don't think that's something I've ever seen him do, and I don't think he would start doing it

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like its flavor for a neighborhood
I don't see any evidence that would suggest that he would.
If there was an anti-claim, you generally tell your players that there is an anti-claim mechanic in place.
And the only person who uses anti-claim mechanics on site is me and MariaR so...

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Code words works too ig
idunno i mostly just wanna talk about flavor and anime lol

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tho there's also a chance that the person on the other end just
doesn't repeat the code word back

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Okay but claiming character is just as fine as well
no punishment for that from what I'm understanding

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the flavor we got

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we don't need to say who picked whose flavor
you just claim the character

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7. Claiming as the picker for another player's claimed character name, whether real or fake, in this thread is NOT ALLOWED.

Seems like a pretty silly rule to be honest because while claiming it might be forbidden, aint nothing stopping at you hinting at it heavily and it can be particularly obvious for certain people. (For instance, if someone had a MHA name, MHA avatar, MHA theme, etc., and they submitted a MHA character...gee, wonder who the MHA flavor was from?)

For instance, if my picks had won the RNG (Alisae and I both submitted two picks and asked the mod to RNG them, Alisae's picks got spot one and two), then it'd have been

pretty

obvious that they were from me.

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Monster is the best anime ever.
If you disagree I'm voting you.

Says Monster is the best anime ever, has a FMA avatar, cognitive dissonance = scumtell.
VOTE: AbuHumanoid

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oh boy this is gonna get confusing real quickly
-ali

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Interesting.

Can I just say that I SO strongly associate L with Wisdom and Light with FL that even though I know there's a literal 0% chance of it I keep on thinking that you're a hydra of Wisdom and Flavor Leaf?

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i was stoned as fuck when i made this decision

Naturally. No sober player would want this.

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Did we all get tricked into thinking the upick was straight up?

Eh I saw it was a shuffle and deduced the probable nature of the mechanic, but I honestly was hoping I was wrong, not gonna lie.

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claiming your character is not illegal at all my guy
-Ali

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7. Claiming as the picker for another player's claimed character name, whether real or fake, in this thread is NOT ALLOWED.

reading this suggests that claiming your character name is fine, you just can't claim that you picked that persons character

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Ali did too actually

this
also i probably played in more of his games then torque has
-ali

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ive also been reading some mangas for shows i liked and web novels
i still need to finish that time i got reincarnated as a slime

Didn't you start watching it on January? It really takes you a lot of time to see 24 episodes.

I watched it around the time it aired and then around like a couple months ago downloaded the web novel on my ipad and read a bit of it.

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Monster is the best anime ever.
If you disagree I'm voting you.

Says Monster is the best anime ever, has a FMA avatar, cognitive dissonance = scumtell.
VOTE: AbuHumanoid

Damn you caught me

string him up boyz

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Hydras, please sign.

:furretgun:

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Hydras, please sign.

:furretgun:

~I request that you use this emote as your signature from this point on please


-Light

I THINK I WILL SIGN MY POSTS BY BREAKING MY CAPS LOCK BUTTON

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SEE, NOW I CAN POST NORMALLY AND NOT WORRY ABOUT FORGETTING TO SIGN

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ACTUALLY I’LL PROBABLY SIGN MY POSTS ONE OF TWO WAYS
1 - ON MOBILE JUST BREAK MY CAPS LOCK BUTTON. I HAVE A WIRELESS KEYBOARD SO I CAN DO THAT
2 - FURRET EMOTES

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By trying to hard, we put ourselves in greater risks.

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Theoretically we have a bunch of one-way neighborhoods but there's probably a downside to claiming flavor

this post actually feels really out of place now that I think about it

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So I assume we're still going to just massclaim flavor?
Literally no reason not to do it now

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best way to support the massclaim is to commit to it yourself.
A few of us already have

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Abu - Zero Two
Wonderful - Kabuto Hanadori
Chemist - Karen
Tataru - Endeavor

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We got the fake loli from the suckiest season of SAO

the only description was when the gun got a weird ass personality and blushed at the camera for 0 reason

like what.

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VOTE: Hiraki
welcome back to the site my guy!
-ali

Thanks. Can you let me know when I should actually start reading?

Right now we're kind of just massclaiming flavor so people know who they're talking to in their 1 way PTs.
Aside from that we never really got out of RVS

What do you think of Chemist?

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VOTE: Hiraki
welcome back to the site my guy!
-ali

Thanks. Can you let me know when I should actually start reading?

Right now we're kind of just massclaiming flavor so people know who they're talking to in their 1 way PTs.
Aside from that we never really got out of RVS

What do you think of Chemist?

I didn't really get the point of this though. Why do we care about this?

i mean this

Because

seeeeeecret

messages in one-way PT man

and also so people know who they're talking to in their 1 way hoods.

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Wonderful Deceit - I can't really see that avatar but is that girl hugging a headless person? If so, that is awesome. That puts it to lower-priority.

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You know, now that I look at it even closer, that headless person is trying to stab the girl.
It makes it even better.

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Chemi don't mind GiF
he just has a really bad opinion

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Chemi don't mind GiF
he just has a really bad opinion

pocket attempt accepted

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I can agree with that take

VOTE: chemist

Can you explain what was going through your head when you posted 35 as well as what incentivized you to do a 180 and claim flavor?

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Is it possible you can explain why you feel like it doesn't make sense?

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>Says Norwegian was "actively hunting"
But all his post up until that point were mostly fluffy, so I don't see how he was actively hunting.

I townread Norwegian, but not for this reason.

Okay

@Yshtola and Tataru

- What were the posts that you townread Norwee off of?

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@Wonderful Deceit mind telling what you think of Yshtola and Tataru?

I don't exactly have a read on them atm but gun to head town? They're getting wagoned pretty easily and it doesn't feel natural to me.

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Hm...
UNVOTE:
Maybe this wagon grew too fast.

Why did you vote then?

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Like Norwee I'm really puzzled, there were no votes inbetween your vote and unvote
why is this a concern now?

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Hm...
UNVOTE:
Maybe this wagon grew too fast.

Why did you vote then?

Wanted to see if there was more of an reaction from Bitmap and co.

Okay, so what do you think of their reaction?

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>Says Norwegian was "actively hunting"
But all his post up until that point were mostly fluffy, so I don't see how he was actively hunting.

I townread Norwegian, but not for this reason.

Okay

@Yshtola and Tataru

- What were the posts that you townread Norwee off of?

Spoiler:

VOTE: Chemist1422
I believe you’re the one who committed this dastardly deed of taking my pick.

GIF is town for that reads list. Nobody shall tell me otherwise.

VOTE: L and Light

Fuck you no one messes with P-chan.

Spoiler:

I just completely ignored the part of the setup explanation that said "shuffle" or forgot the meaning of English at that particular part of the sentence. So i totally assumed we'd get our own picks. Anyway i think it's fairly obvious who got my pick. But i won't claim anything since that's apparently illegal.

VOTE: Yshtola and Tataru
Gotta start the day off right with a banger of a vote.

the read was stated before 265.
Everything that's not 265, I don't see it.

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What are Yshtola's reads atm?

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Hm...
UNVOTE:
Maybe this wagon grew too fast.

Why did you vote then?

Wanted to see if there was more of an reaction from Bitmap and co.

Okay, so what do you think of their reaction?

Spoke too soon.

I mean, they responded in 293. What do you think of that?

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I mean, they responded in 293. What do you think of that?

To be frank, i'm not sure i understood the point they were making there.

The point they're making there is they're establishing their mindset.
Their mindset is they don't mind the wagon because they can use the votes to help them solve because they think they can determine which votes come from town or scum. They also don't mind being wagoned because it keeps them engaged.

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Yeah I like them for town so far.
Bitmap will become and easier read the longer the game gets and atm I feel pretty comfortable with calling them town.

Also, my townbloc atm is {Kerset, Norwee, Shtola, Adu}

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@person who has my character: don't forget there is a thread that I am writing to you in and I have posted things that you are capable of reading.

Would you like to share those things with the thread?

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Yeah I like them for town so far.
Bitmap will become and easier read the longer the game gets and atm I feel pretty comfortable with calling them town.

Also, my townbloc atm is {Kerset, Norwee, Bit/Alyssa Hydra, Adu}

Edit

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Re: Norwee - I think his general reaction to Tateru's 223 is good and feels like he's being cautious.
I don't actually think Norwee voting and then unvoting is actually scum indicative but rather town indicative and I feel like scum doesn't need to correct themselves there.
It feels like they're trying to solve Tateru.

Re: Adu - I generally feel like his posts have been trying to figure out the motivation of others and I think their point on Tateru's read on Norwee seems like it would come from a townie who wants to be right.

Re: Bitmap/Alyssa hydra - I generally feel like Bitmap's attitude on 12 is town indicative here.

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Yeah I like them for town so far.
Bitmap will become and easier read the longer the game gets and atm I feel pretty comfortable with calling them town.

Also, my townbloc atm is {Kerset, Norwee, Shtola, Adu}

Adu is the only one I'd feel comfortable having in a townblock.

Why don't you like Kerset?

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Yeah I like them for town so far.
Bitmap will become and easier read the longer the game gets and atm I feel pretty comfortable with calling them town.

Also, my townbloc atm is {Kerset, Norwee, Shtola, Adu}

Adu is the only one I'd feel comfortable having in a townblock.

Why don't you like Kerset?

Why leave Norwee/Shtola unmentioned?

I'm trying to focus and narrow the conversation a bit

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266 feels like a step out of rvs by questioning motives but it's really just an empty statement. In other words it's too lamist for me.

The wagon definitely could have been good for the game even if yshtola is town.

I did like 230 tho.

Kerset claimed miller and Kerset really doesn't come across as the type of person to claim miller as scum.

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How about we make a chain for fun? I will send a kawaii picture in my PT and each person, who receive it has to send it forward in their PT. If everything goes well i should receive it from my picker.

You can give the person that got your flavour a code word if they wanted to let you know who they are

I don't think it's impossible for Tatsu to put in abilities that can target specific flavours so we should probs hold onto the info

Torque comoded things with tatsu, so he is the right person to follow here.

These posts also reek town!motivation

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266 feels like a step out of rvs by questioning motives but it's really just an empty statement. In other words it's too lamist for me.

The wagon definitely could have been good for the game even if yshtola is town.

I did like 230 tho.

Kerset claimed miller and Kerset really doesn't come across as the type of person to claim miller as scum.

I must have blocked that out somewhere. I still wouldn't bother townblocking a miller claim in that case.

I really don't think Kerset is the type to claim miller as scum. Not a lot of people are the type to do that. The people who would seem like they would claim miller as scum are
1 - the people who think of that. Kerset doesn't seem like that kind of person
2 - the people who are confident in their play enough to make it work. Kerset doesn't seem like that kind of person

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I didn't like the chain idea at the time and I still don't.

Is it possible you could elaborate on this?

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266 feels like a step out of rvs by questioning motives but it's really just an empty statement. In other words it's too lamist for me.

The wagon definitely could have been good for the game even if yshtola is town.

I did like 230 tho.

Kerset claimed miller and Kerset really doesn't come across as the type of person to claim miller as scum.

I must have blocked that out somewhere. I still wouldn't bother townblocking a miller claim in that case.

I really don't think Kerset is the type to claim miller as scum. Not a lot of people are the type to do that. The people who would seem like they would claim miller as scum are
1 - the people who think of that. Kerset doesn't seem like that kind of person
2 - the people who are confident in their play enough to make it work. Kerset doesn't seem like that kind of person

I am kind of shading myself here but this is my first idea in my first game as scum
viewtopic.php?p=11444107#p11444107

hmmmmmmm

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you know
i want to say that as scum, you don't try to introduce me to new information that shades yourself.
thats what I want to think atm.

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I didn't like the chain idea at the time and I still don't.

Is it possible you could elaborate on this?

As I understand it it's just a game of telephone with a picture. I don't know how that relays who sent the picture to who. It just sounded like a thing to do.

A sends a picture to B. Now B knows that B will hear the voices of A. B then sends a picture to C so C knows who they're hearing voices from.

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you know
i want to say that as scum, you don't try to introduce me to new information that shades yourself.
thats what I want to think atm.

ITT WD tries desperately to find an excuse to town read Kerset while Kerset refutes their every move.

Ok Enter.
Let's play this game.

As scum you claim miller.
When I say "They likely wouldn't claim miller as scum"
would you
A. Shade yourself and introduce me to new evidence that would likely cause me to change your read on you or
B. Keep the read because it works for you.

idunno dude, A doesn't make sense to me.

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I didn't like the chain idea at the time and I still don't.

Is it possible you could elaborate on this?

As I understand it it's just a game of telephone with a picture. I don't know how that relays who sent the picture to who. It just sounded like a thing to do.

A sends a picture to B. Now B knows that B will hear the voices of A. B then sends a picture to C so C knows who they're hearing voices from.

Pretty sure you already know who you're hearing from, TBH.

You just don't necessarily know who you're talking to

ok you know what
this is fair
maybe I'm just misunderstanding mechanics here

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you know
i want to say that as scum, you don't try to introduce me to new information that shades yourself.
thats what I want to think atm.

ITT WD tries desperately to find an excuse to town read Kerset while Kerset refutes their every move.

Ok Enter.
Let's play this game.

As scum you claim miller.
When I say "They likely wouldn't claim miller as scum"
would you
A. Shade yourself and introduce me to new evidence that would likely cause me to change your read on you or
B. Keep the read because it works for you.

idunno dude, A doesn't make sense to me.

This is a pretty defensive overreaction to a joke.

That was a joke?

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you know
i want to say that as scum, you don't try to introduce me to new information that shades yourself.
thats what I want to think atm.

ITT WD tries desperately to find an excuse to town read Kerset while Kerset refutes their every move.

Ok Enter.
Let's play this game.

As scum you claim miller.
When I say "They likely wouldn't claim miller as scum"
would you
A. Shade yourself and introduce me to new evidence that would likely cause me to change your read on you or
B. Keep the read because it works for you.

idunno dude, A doesn't make sense to me.

This is a pretty defensive overreaction to a joke.

That was a joke?

...

Enter, I'm not sure you knew, but I'm fairly dense.

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i don't think no provable randomness is even in tatsuya's rules.

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Ali/M has had a pretty controlling attitude this game from the get-go and discussion topics that were pushed include mass-claiming (for no verifiable reason), various anime randomness, reaction gifs, and some fence-sitty redirect-y sort of items. Two of the other less town-players in the game have both been plied by this player (chemist and Norwee), but redirected without any real push. In fact, thread tempo seems to be very much controlled by Ali/M, and while I admit that I'm pretty typically made at least slightly uncomfortable by this play style in general, I don't really see how theirs is pushing much of a town motivation. They very much seem to be attempting to coach Chemist/Norwee and they pushed a town block pretty early into the game with little to no provocation. They overreacted and got rather defensive at my post and I'm really starting to see them as pretty scummy right now.

what?

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I will admit that Wonderful Deceit pushing a townblock at this stage of the game was unnatural.

What?

I used the word townbloc because its a group of people that I townread.
What?

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How about we make a chain for fun? I will send a kawaii picture in my PT and each person, who receive it has to send it forward in their PT. If everything goes well i should receive it from my picker.

You can give the person that got your flavour a code word if they wanted to let you know who they are

I don't think it's impossible for Tatsu to put in abilities that can target specific flavours so we should probs hold onto the info

Torque comoded things with tatsu, so he is the right person to follow here.

These posts also reek town!motivation

Why is the upper post "reeking" of town motivation?

Because they were presenting the information in a way i felt like they believed it would help them.

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I don't think i've seen Alisae get so defensive when attacked like that. They seemed to be a bit taken back by Enter's sudden aggressiveness.

Enter refered to their post as a "joke"
Did you interpret that post as a "joke"

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Ali/M has had a pretty controlling attitude this game from the get-go and discussion topics that were pushed include mass-claiming (for no verifiable reason), various anime randomness, reaction gifs, and some fence-sitty redirect-y sort of items. Two of the other less town-players in the game have both been plied by this player (chemist and Norwee), but redirected without any real push. In fact, thread tempo seems to be very much controlled by Ali/M, and while I admit that I'm pretty typically made at least slightly uncomfortable by this play style in general, I don't really see how theirs is pushing much of a town motivation. They very much seem to be attempting to coach Chemist/Norwee and they pushed a town block pretty early into the game with little to no provocation. They overreacted and got rather defensive at my post and I'm really starting to see them as pretty scummy right now.

I'm not even in control of the thread at all.
the only thing I pushed for was a flavor massclaim which people just seemed like they didn't want to do, and some did.
Aside from that, I didn't really do much that is controlling. I'm not even pushing Chemist, who is kind of my biggest scumread atm. I'm trying to sort people atm, and I'm not sure how you can think like, any of this naturally?

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Like Enter
I would really like to know what posts you read that made you thought any of that.
I want quotes.

[Wonderful Deceit]

you know
i want to say that as scum, you don't try to introduce me to new information that shades yourself.
thats what I want to think atm.

ITT WD tries desperately to find an excuse to town read Kerset while Kerset refutes their every move.

I don't understand how you can simultaneously assume that Kerset as scum pushes herself being read as scum and that I believe that she does.
Therefore this post must be a joke if you put any sort of thought into it past an initial glance.

Can't put thought into it if I don't turn on my brain

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I will admit that Wonderful Deceit pushing a townblock at this stage of the game was unnatural.

What?

I used the word townbloc because its a group of people that I townread.
What?

Townblock usually means they are players you will never stop townreading. Surely you’d know that?

ig our definitions for what consults as a townbloc is just different my boy

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I don't think i've seen Alisae get so defensive when attacked like that. They seemed to be a bit taken back by Enter's sudden aggressiveness.

~by defensive what exactly do you mean
I know I've seen Ali push back hard and aggressively when they get pushed

also is being defensive AI in your opinion, if you've never seen it before?

-Light

Being defensive in itself isn’t the AI part. That get’s into my next point. I feel like Alisae would usually be more aggressive in response to Enter here.
Did you note Alisae as pushing back "hard and aggressively" to this?

I'm not a predictable player.
There was an instance where FL thought I would freak out if he voted me in a normal because the last time he tried to push me I freaked out.
I didn't freak out and stood my ground.

i can freak out in response to being pushed
i can be aggressive in response to being pushed
i can not care about being pushed
my responses are vast and mostly depend on my mental state and mood.

[Wonderful Deceit]

I mention the normal because it exhibits this perfectly and you were there and playing in it.

[Wonderful Deceit]

Ali/M has had a pretty controlling attitude this game from the get-go and discussion topics that were pushed include mass-claiming (for no verifiable reason), various anime randomness, reaction gifs, and some fence-sitty redirect-y sort of items. Two of the other less town-players in the game have both been plied by this player (chemist and Norwee), but redirected without any real push. In fact, thread tempo seems to be very much controlled by Ali/M, and while I admit that I'm pretty typically made at least slightly uncomfortable by this play style in general, I don't really see how theirs is pushing much of a town motivation. They very much seem to be attempting to coach Chemist/Norwee and they pushed a town block pretty early into the game with little to no provocation. They overreacted and got rather defensive at my post and I'm really starting to see them as pretty scummy right now.

I'm not even in control of the thread at all.
the only thing I pushed for was a flavor massclaim which people just seemed like they didn't want to do, and some did.
Aside from that, I didn't really do much that is controlling. I'm not even pushing Chemist, who is kind of my biggest scumread atm. I'm trying to sort people atm, and I'm not sure how you can think like, any of this naturally?

Do you mind elaborating the chem read ali

I can agree with that take

VOTE: chemist

Can you explain what was going through your head when you posted 35 as well as what incentivized you to do a 180 and claim flavor?

also in general, 35 seems out of place, and atm I feel like Chemist is mostly just sidelining and not hunting.

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Weird.

How is that weird?

[Wonderful Deceit]

So, outing my one way hood here
RCE has my pick and I have his.
I'm outing this because I feel like it'll just be significantly easier for me to explain that he introduced me to some meta that would suggest that Enter would do a push like this as town.
And I think RCE is probably better at reading Enter then I am so I am just going to trust him on that.

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How is it not weirdly phrased?

oh thats what you mean
in that case I can see it

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UNVOTE: Enter
VOTE: Kerset

For those who would give their lives for the cause, for those who would see this world restored.
For those who will live in better times, and for those who now live to see it happen.
We must vanquish the Sin Eaters, for without, history cannot be undone.

~Y'shtola

Do you also think Enter is town?

[Wonderful Deceit]

I don't feel comfortable ending the day yet or comfortable with this wagon, I like the Bitmap/Alyssa hydra.

[Wonderful Deceit]

{Kerset, Norwee, Bitmap/Alyssa, Adu}
{RCE, Enter}
{L and Light, Torque}
{GiF, Hiraki}
{Nati}
{Chemist}

pedit: Okay but he has my pick and I have his. Our hoods go to each other.
pedit2: Okay, if you say Enter is town, and if RCE says Enter is town, then I'll take ur word for it.

[Wonderful Deceit]

Kerset I wish I could see your picture!

[Wonderful Deceit]

{Kerset, Norwee, Bitmap/Alyssa, Adu}
{RCE, Enter}
{L and Light, Torque}
{GiF, Hiraki}
{Nati}
{Chemist}

So i get that your justification for scumreading Chemist is that he is sidelining and not scumhunting. But why does that put him lower than slots like for example GuyInFreezer? (Whose biggest contribution so far has been a joke reads list.) No offense to the guy in the freezer, but i'm just curious why Chemist in particular is the target when i've seen Chem lurk and not do much as either alignment in many games.

because Chemist is actively lurking, and usually, I do see town!Chemist try to poke people a bit and at least solve.
Like even in the normal, he asked your slot a few questions and engaged with my case and your slot.

[Wonderful Deceit]

lets get some chemist votes goin then.
RCE Bitmap is actually extremely easy to read and right now I think they're town.

[Wonderful Deceit]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=80832 I think this is the game RCE is talking about

[Wonderful Deceit]

Norwee he is an easy read.
I may have went scum -> town but Bitmap was definitely not surviving the late game with his play.
Bitmap actually doesn't know how to play scum and its very obvious

[Wonderful Deceit]

yeah it is
its that I'm not having a hydra partner who is thinking about the setup and I am just thinking about your play compared to Team Mafia, AvP, the normal we just played.

[Wonderful Deceit]

Also in avalon me and fark played objectively bad and we're probably why town lost tbh

[Wonderful Deceit]

not really actually

[Wonderful Deceit]

I'm sorry to break it to you Bitboi but you don't win win Waifu uPick ever with how that D1 went.
You didn't start strong so what happens is by late game you and shadowless just get lynched since there are just other slots that were significantly townier

[Wonderful Deceit]

Idk why you would townread him for apparently sucking at playing mafia, when he's already proven he is able to fool you.

Do you even understand

why

I townread him and

what

my stance on him was?

[Wonderful Deceit]

I'm sorry to break it to you Bitboi but you don't win win Waifu uPick ever with how that D1 went.
You didn't start strong so what happens is by late game you and shadowless just get lynched since there are just other slots that were significantly townier

But I was elected student council president.

-Tataru

irrelevant tbh

[Wonderful Deceit]

Bitmap got lynched in AvT on D2 and lolcatted the whole time he was alive.
Now, if Bitmap was oh so good at scum as he says he was, he would have survived longer then D2 and have actually accomplished things in that game.

[Wonderful Deceit]

I'm sorry to break it to you Bitboi but you don't win win Waifu uPick ever with how that D1 went.
You didn't start strong so what happens is by late game you and shadowless just get lynched since there are just other slots that were significantly townier

But I was elected student council president.

-Tataru

irrelevant tbh

Very relevant. I was universally townread D1 by everyone but you.

-Tataru

Not really, come lategame people wise up and lynch you.
I know how this story unfolds my guy

[Wonderful Deceit]

Must Warriors of Light bicker while Sin Eaters gather in strength?

Sin Eaters are the bane of our existence. We must slay them for the good of our star.

~Y'shtola

I agree this arguement is actually really pointless

[Wonderful Deceit]

I'm sorry to break it to you Bitboi but you don't win win Waifu uPick ever with how that D1 went.
You didn't start strong so what happens is by late game you and shadowless just get lynched since there are just other slots that were significantly townier

But I was elected student council president.

-Tataru

irrelevant tbh

Very relevant. I was universally townread D1 by everyone but you.

-Tataru

Not really, come lategame people wise up and lynch you.
I know how this story unfolds my guy

I believe in myself.

-Tataru

Whatever you say

[Wonderful Deceit]

Idk why you would townread him for apparently sucking at playing mafia, when he's already proven he is able to fool you.

Do you even understand

why

I townread him and

what

my stance on him was?

Norwee I actually want response to this, because this is gaslighting at its core.

[Wonderful Deceit]

Idk why you would townread him for apparently sucking at playing mafia, when he's already proven he is able to fool you.

Do you even understand

why

I townread him and

what

my stance on him was?

Norwee I actually want response to this, because this is gaslighting at its core.

I was only trying to find out what your motivation was for defending Yshtola's slot.

and my motivation is I think that they are town so I don't support their wagon.

[Wonderful Deceit]

Ali couldn't read me in Team Mafia and swapped reads on me for waifu u pick.

Yes bitmap
As I play with you more and more, I will get better at reading you.
Its like Machine Learning

[Wonderful Deceit]

As for mastina I heard nothing from her in our discord chat.
It is what it is ig

[Wonderful Deceit]

I like to think that I’m pretty good at reading Chemist when only considering normal scumhunting (Avalon I didn’t read him correctly but we were thinking a lot more about the setup and what roles would perform what actions)

[Wonderful Deceit]

Can you drop a link?

[Wonderful Deceit]

UNVOTE:
While I take a look

[Wonderful Deceit]

Ok so reading this ISO, I’m not exactly sure what it is I’m exactly looking for, mostly because I skimmed like the first 5 pages of that ISO and I don’t see anything that I would normally see town!chemist do

[Wonderful Deceit]

Part of how I read Chemist is if he’s town, its very easy for me to identify actions that he takes that have town motivation behind him, and I feel like as town, he tries to engage people and figure out their motivations.

[Wonderful Deceit]

Part of how I read Chemist is if he’s town, its very easy for me to identify actions that he takes that have town motivation behind him, and I feel like as town, he tries to engage people and figure out their motivations.

~And if that is the read, then I have no qualms with it if it specifically relies on looking at the motivation behind posts. I would attribute that more simply towards reading the specific posts in the current game itself than meta, and I would be interested in looking at it further. ~

-Light

Here's what I see in this game.
I particularly noticed that his 35 I believe it was kind of felt out of place, and then he was ok with claiming flavor.
Another thing I noticed is a lot of sidelining and kind of actively lurking, and at the moment I feel like he's kind of going out of his way to not do anything, where as whenever I saw Chemist lurk in the past, he wasn't even active, he was just lurking.
Its actually somewhat concerning to me that he is actively lurking and he hasn't asked a question once. Like, ctrl + F, the only time you ever find him type a question mark is when he's not even asking a question.

[Wonderful Deceit]

Like
I can pluck town motivation and instances where he is trying to investigate someone's motivations easily.

Thats non-existant here

[Wonderful Deceit]

I would say that chem is unreadable at this point. He lack of content and refuse it give it but it is inside his meta.

no, there's a difference here.
I've seen Chemist be active.
I've seen Chemist not be active.
I have never saw him actively lurk and not participate.

[Wonderful Deceit]

Like this variation of Chemist seems like a Chemist I have never seen before.
And I am pretty sure all of my games up to this one I have played with Town!Chemist and was able to identify it, except for Avalon, but that setup Fark was introducing me to a different method of scum hunting which involved activing trying to figure out which roles would do what.

pedit: there's no rule about not talking about flavor. The rule was you can't say you picked someone's claimed character. 35 feels out of place because no one was talking about character, and it feels more weird when he 180s his stance and is okay with claiming his flavor.

[Wonderful Deceit]

VOTE: Chemist

[Wonderful Deceit]

I mean in that game he posted a read. He said he liked Fark's tone pretty early.
I can't really say the same for this game imo

[Wonderful Deceit]

I am so, so tired already.

Understandable!

[Wonderful Deceit]

God this game is gonna be a disaster already.

Is any game not?

[Wonderful Deceit]

Can you let me know when I should actually start reading?

I should pretty much be asking this question of others.

[Wonderful Deceit]

Honestly it did grow fast, but that doesn't really mean much

Pretty much, yeah.

People think "oh, fast wagon, must be bad", but that instinctive gut-reaction is honestly just...bad. Speed of the wagon is honestly 97% of the time utterly meaningless--doesn't make the wagon more likely to contain scum, doesn't make the person wagoned more likely to be town.

[Wonderful Deceit]

I will admit that Wonderful Deceit pushing a townblock at this stage of the game was unnatural.

Eh I wouldn't fault Ali for picking up one of my habits while hydraing with me.

[Wonderful Deceit]

I tried to seriously read the game but I ended up glossing over them. What do?

Mindlessly comment on shit, obv.

[Wonderful Deceit]

Is it mastina catching up?

Yes

[Wonderful Deceit]

Why would mastina inactivity be AI?

It's usually not. It can be, but most of the time it's just rl+mental mindset/health determining activity.

[Wonderful Deceit]

Is it mastina catching up?

I thought that was obvious enough.

[Wonderful Deceit]

so masti, do you agree with ali on chem?

Yeah she does

[Wonderful Deceit]

I think I can see why Ali says Chem isn't probing people or whatever and that makes him a wolf

I've only compared his ISO in the normal we just played and this game tho, this game's gamestate feels more boring than that other game probably plays a large part in how he's been acting differently. I doubt it's all that alignment indicative at this point.

The game is boring because no one wants to play it and scum aren't playing to try and keep it this way.

[Wonderful Deceit]

Chemist wagon gives me pause not because he's ML bait, but because his wagon has two of my scumreads, bitmap hydra and alisae hydra on it

ok so you and chemist are just scum together? Because your defense for him is literally "give him time" and that feels indicative of scum who doesn't want to bus.

[Wonderful Deceit]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=80832&user_select[]=32643

Chemist hydra's ISO in magical girls, he's the wind head, he was scum there

If anything I think scum Chemist is much less IDGAF than town chemist

ok so how is RCE saying "This feels like Chemist from Magical Girls"
and you are saying
"In Magical Girls, Chemist was a lot more IDGAF and I would expect him to act like that here"

Like, how are you 2 getting compeltely different conclusions from meta?

[Wonderful Deceit]

Thanks for pointing that out. I am reading but I am not doing a good job of showing it.

Actually, upon re-read, I found my real vote. Kind of sheeping Natirisha but I'd like to go into it tomorrow (130 here). I'm not sold on YaT yet. I'm like 90% there and still on the tetering edge and I feel like if they flip scum, I'm just gonna hate mysellf a little more.

Vote: Norwegian

~Why do you believe that Natirisha's vote is in any way real or representative of an actual scum read, rather than just a joke, and why is your justification of your current vote that you are sheeping a naked vote from someone else?~


-Light

For your first question, I don't. I'm not townreading Natirisha either so I don't know what the point of your question here is. You can agree with something and not actually agree with the person's role.

I can justify my vote, I just need patience which I have and it's coming, I swear. You saw a little blip of it before - just ironically busy at home and I find this game hard to read and really analyze. I like this vote and I'd like to convince more people that it's a good vote too.

Please explain your vote, I need you to be more readable. Thank you <3

[Wonderful Deceit]

L and Light no offesnse, but I'm having issues parsing your posts.
I'll probably try to read them later

[Wonderful Deceit]

Reading is overrated go with your heart.

What are you doing?

[Wonderful Deceit]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=80832&user_select[]=32643

Chemist hydra's ISO in magical girls, he's the wind head, he was scum there

If anything I think scum Chemist is much less IDGAF than town chemist

ok so how is RCE saying "This feels like Chemist from Magical Girls"
and you are saying
"In Magical Girls, Chemist was a lot more IDGAF and I would expect him to act like that here"

Like, how are you 2 getting compeltely different conclusions from meta?

exciting, isn’t it?

can I ask whether mastina’s read on me has any separate logic from ali’s?

I pinged her

[Wonderful Deceit]

legit half of the game isn't playing and the mod didn't check activity overview to send a prod out to adu

[Wonderful Deceit]

ngl it kinda blows

[Wonderful Deceit]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=80832&user_select[]=32643

Chemist hydra's ISO in magical girls, he's the wind head, he was scum there

If anything I think scum Chemist is much less IDGAF than town chemist

ok so how is RCE saying "This feels like Chemist from Magical Girls"
and you are saying
"In Magical Girls, Chemist was a lot more IDGAF and I would expect him to act like that here"

Like, how are you 2 getting compeltely different conclusions from meta?

exciting, isn’t it?

can I ask whether mastina’s read on me has any separate logic from ali’s?

I pinged her

she thinks my points are valid.

--

@Wonderful Deceit mind telling what you think of Yshtola and Tataru?

I don't exactly have a read on them atm but gun to head town? They're getting wagoned pretty easily and it doesn't feel natural to me.

Honestly it did grow fast, but that doesn't really mean much

Pretty much, yeah.

People think "oh, fast wagon, must be bad", but that instinctive gut-reaction is honestly just...bad. Speed of the wagon is honestly 97% of the time utterly meaningless--doesn't make the wagon more likely to contain scum, doesn't make the person wagoned more likely to be town.

were these different hydra heads or

yes

[Wonderful Deceit]

I think I can see why Ali says Chem isn't probing people or whatever and that makes him a wolf

I've only compared his ISO in the normal we just played and this game tho, this game's gamestate feels more boring than that other game probably plays a large part in how he's been acting differently. I doubt it's all that alignment indicative at this point.

The game is boring because no one wants to play it and scum aren't playing to try and keep it this way.

Your other head is not playing as well.

ok

[Wonderful Deceit]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=80832&user_select[]=32643

Chemist hydra's ISO in magical girls, he's the wind head, he was scum there

If anything I think scum Chemist is much less IDGAF than town chemist

ok so how is RCE saying "This feels like Chemist from Magical Girls"
and you are saying
"In Magical Girls, Chemist was a lot more IDGAF and I would expect him to act like that here"

Like, how are you 2 getting compeltely different conclusions from meta?

I think you're reading that the wrong way and torque is saying chemist is more reserved as scum. I'd agree.

I'm not sure if they get the impression he's more loose here compared to magical girls other than the fact he hasn't been compelled to engage.

He was forced to engage in magical girls as well and it was what sparked his awkward interactions.

I think it was with Titus in that game, like he felt the need to latch onto something but it wasn't anything of substance and stood out.

Ok so whats your take on the matter

[Wonderful Deceit]

I'm still wary regardless. Reactive chemist is always going to be scummier to me than proactive chemist.

whatever you say captain

[Wonderful Deceit]

adu

Why you call Abuhumaid Adu? Where is the d?

thought it was a d
whats it to ya

[Wonderful Deceit]

I have a bad tendency to blow things out of proportion and overreact proportional to my actual feeling in mafia. I got it in my head when I was new that it made players uncomfortable and more likely to make themselves easy to read and I haven't broken that habit yet

Basically what I told Alisae made you town and was a potential town tell down the road but this self awareness kind of nullifies that tell.

@Enter

- whats your read on my slot and why?

[Wonderful Deceit]

Mister Turkey when you catch up where's your head at
I was townreading your slot previously so lets talk.

[Wonderful Deceit]

Mister Turkey when you catch up where's your head at
I was townreading your slot previously so lets talk.

That’s gonna be a few days at best sorry

I do think Enter is town though.

Do we have a list of how the one way neighborhoods go or are we worried that info being public is a bad idea?

I wanted a character massclaim to try to make those communications known to the people who they're relevant to, but also not have that information 100% public to everyone.
Like, the purpose of a flavor massclaim was "ok, so now I know that my hoods go to X and Y."

Is a bad idea to completely chart those out? I don't think so.
Like, I have the information thats relevant to me.
I don't really care about everyone else's hood.

pedit: Gobble that rule was removed

[Wonderful Deceit]

It sounds like a scum role.

VOTE: Chemist

good hammer turkey

[Wonderful Deceit]

nice job hammering town gobble

Oh

[Wonderful Deceit]

What's done is done

I want to point out how Bitmap hydra's wagon stalled after the initial momentum, and it was actively resisted by a few players, it will take a re-read to check who those people are, but one notable one is alisae hydra who shifted the wagon into Chemist. Compared to Bitmap hydra wagon, it started off a bit slower but has a substantial inertia that lead to the lynch

This is gonna flip town and bitmap hydra and alisae hydra are probably wolves coming out of this

waaaaaaaaah
You can’t wagon obvtown
Waaaaaaaaaah

[Wonderful Deceit]

maybe im not as good at reading chemist then I thought I was

[Wonderful Deceit]

lol @enter
if i was scum i wouldn't be posting

[Wonderful Deceit]

I shot Torque pew pew

-Tataru

why?

[Wonderful Deceit]

i mean
i really do not think shooting torque has town motivation behind it
so...
VOTE: Yshtola

[Wonderful Deceit]

because they think they can claim vig and get towncred for it?

[Wonderful Deceit]

like
what town does here, is they shoot the not participating slots.
Nati and GiF in particular stand out as shots town would make over scum.

I don't really feel comfortable with letting a vig stay alive if they shot torque

pedit: because they think they can claim vig and get towncred for it?

[Wonderful Deceit]

im not shooting my neighbor
im not shooting you
at the time of n1 i was tring kerset so I wouldn't have shot him, but the gobbles kill is making me think he submits that
i could shoot in 1 of hiraki or norwee since I don't think they're both scum together if one of them is scum
and L and Light is basically null to me so I would probably shoot that, Nati, or GiF

[Wonderful Deceit]

and ofc, I don't shoot Gobbles or Torque

So like, Why would you not shoot Nati or GiF.
That doesn't really make sense to me?

[Wonderful Deceit]

i mean
i really do not think shooting torque has town motivation behind it
so...
VOTE: Yshtola

Do you believe that scum is able to double kill?

I think they are a Serial Killer

[Wonderful Deceit]

Basically
I do not think they are town
but I also do not think they are groupscum

[Wonderful Deceit]

shooting torque doesn't really make sense to me and I don't think thats town motivated
outright claiming the shot doesn't make sense to me and I don't think thats town motivated

[Wonderful Deceit]

Ank is the yshtola head no?

Yep

[Wonderful Deceit]

But I guess it makes sense from YT perspective. Torque was tunneled on them and quite harsh. I think that 'social players' could kill him out of personal reasons.

I kind of just told RCE this in our hoods
but I understand why they would scumread Torque
I don't understand why they think shooting Torque is significantly better over Nati/GiF

[Wonderful Deceit]

Like, scumreading Torque is fine
their push on me and Y&T seemed weird but to me, he becomes readable after a Y&T flip and how he processes that.

[Wonderful Deceit]

what is not fine is just shooting them when you can read them as they post more content and play teh game on d2, when you could shoot Nati/GiF

[Wonderful Deceit]

probably because its a serial killer and not a vig

[Wonderful Deceit]

Ok but why would a vig be bold about claiming their kill when they can try to use that they know which kill is the scumkill to their advantage

[Wonderful Deceit]

like why would they ever be like
first thing come out as vig
it doesn't make sense to me why you even out yourself

[Wonderful Deceit]

Rip me possibly.

I for one enjoyed our hood together

[Wonderful Deceit]

I think that Torque Scumread was Alyssas and she definitely explained it

[Wonderful Deceit]

I'll try and get some quick thoughts in just in case this is my end.

plz

[Wonderful Deceit]

I shot Torque pew pew

-Tataru

why?

Ask my other head tbh. They scum read Torque and I was okay with the night action. Wasn't happy with their posturing around my slot. Also we are only able to cast our vote once today and can't move it due to the side effects of the vig shot.

-Tataru

[Wonderful Deceit]

oh wait not alyssa didn't explain it
tataru did

[Wonderful Deceit]

like why would they ever be like
first thing come out as vig
it doesn't make sense to me why you even out yourself

Otherwise we would assume that torque was mafia kill and suspect YT as this kill would point at him.

I don't actually think so, I don't think its obvious who made what kill unless Y&T literally claims it

[Wonderful Deceit]

if we're talking about group scum then I think Kerset is likely to be groupscum and makes a Gobbles kill

[Wonderful Deceit]

how do you leash someone you don't trust

[Wonderful Deceit]

because he accidentally posted in my pt

[Wonderful Deceit]

because he accidentally posted in my pt

RIP.

[Wonderful Deceit]

For what cause is a full divulgence of my powers necessary?

How certain are you there is more to know?

~Y'shtola

its necessary because people want it, and we're holding you accountable for a bad shot

[Wonderful Deceit]

If you would be granted the power to smite, would you not target Sin Eaters?

Torque masqueraded as a Sin Eater, so Torque was smited.

~Y'shtola

Yeah but that doesn't mean its ok to hero shoot

[Wonderful Deceit]

I HAVE BEEN SPARED!

[Wonderful Deceit]

If you would be granted the power to smite, would you not target Sin Eaters?

Torque masqueraded as a Sin Eater, so Torque was smited.

~Y'shtola

Yeah but that doesn't mean its ok to hero shoot

I urge you to see from the other side.

If a Sin Eater appears before us like a Warrior of Light, and shows themselves as such to the Warriors of Light in play, do we concede control? Or do we fight back with the tools necessary for such a shift?

~Y'shtola

Neither, you get more evidence to support your case, or try to make the game easier to solve by shooting slots that aren't as readable.

[Wonderful Deceit]

Torque was an active player who you could engage w/ pretty easily and use that to form a read.
Yes, it looked scummy from my PoV as well with the way he was pushing us, however I would need your flip to properly sort them.

Like, actually shooting me if you wanted to solve Torque is actually better for you
I flip town, then his scum equitity goes up
if I flip scum, then he might not actually be scum, and you shot scum.

[Wonderful Deceit]

Why would I wish to solve somebody that is already a known Sin Eater?

~Y'shtola

ok but he flipped town

[Wonderful Deceit]

ur missing the point
the point is you know you have room to fuck up, and you are using that room you have to fuck up to try to make sure that you are getting the correct answers.

Because it does not matter when you lynch all 3 sin eaters, as long as you lynch all 3 sin eaters.

[Wonderful Deceit]

Why would I wish to solve somebody that is already a known Sin Eater?

~Y'shtola

ok but he flipped town

As stated, he masqueraded as a Sin Eater.

~Y'shtola

doesn't mean he was a sin eater

[Wonderful Deceit]

i think we just disagree on how we think the role should be played
unlucky ig

[Wonderful Deceit]

and ofc, I don't shoot Gobbles or Torque

So like, Why would you not shoot Nati or GiF.
That doesn't really make sense to me?

~Why wouldn't you have shot Gobbles? ~

-Light

Because abu was townie?

[Wonderful Deceit]

HOOOONESTLY
You’re probably right tbh

[Wonderful Deceit]

Yshtola and Tataru (2): Wonderful Deceit, RCEnigma

Let's start here, do you two genuinely believe this game has a SK and 3 mafia?
Because a low-powered vig on town side vs 3 mafia sounds hell of a lot more likely.

Honestly
Thinking it through a bit more
No not really?

Maybe Tatsuya would give scum a N1 vig but other then that /shrug

[Wonderful Deceit]

if we're talking about group scum then I think Kerset is likely to be groupscum and makes a Gobbles kill

Explain your thought process here.
Why would town!you say something shading Kerset like this, and not follow up with any reasoning behind your claim?

VOTE: kerset
I mean
town!me says it because its something I genuinely believe?
Gobbles was very skeptical of the Miller claim and he died

Makes sense to me
/shrug

[Wonderful Deceit]

wait people are scumreading Nati?
that doesn't make sense to me.

[Wonderful Deceit]

I know RCE is but didn't realize a lot of people were

imo i don't think she's scum if she's the cryer and her attitude towards her power is that she feels like its useless.

[Wonderful Deceit]

natisha, if you are sure that tataru isn't vig then why aren't you voting him?

I feel quite disappointed that GIF is still not here.

so that is why you hero shooted in mini 2124

i am so tired of yshtola bullshit, he messed up but refuse to accept it by hiding behind roleplay like kid

Kerset has been pretty scummy this dayphase tbh