Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

Ame · Sat May 09, 2020 7:49 am

Hectic, I scum read you because:
-You role phished me D1
-You immediately picked up that I was the vig when apparently others didn't, which makes me think you were contemplating my actions beforehand
-You were off both scum wagons

Ame · Sat May 09, 2020 8:14 am

Ok have a good day.

Ame · Sat May 09, 2020 10:41 am

V/LA until Friday.

I'll still be able to meet deadlines.

Ame · Mon May 11, 2020 1:11 am

In post 2219, Not Known 15 wrote:Anything else relevant:Forgot to train Night 1

Oh, I guess you were right Alisae.

VOTE: NK

Ame · Mon May 11, 2020 5:46 am

UNVOTE: NK

I'll be able to dedicate some time into this tomorrow. We still need to hear from Pine.

Don't lynch while I'm gone please

Everyone have a wonderful day

Ame · Tue May 12, 2020 12:58 am

In post 2033, Pine wrote:Hi guys. A lot of the things preventing me from focusing on this game have cleared up. I will be EFFORTING in the morning.

Ame · Tue May 12, 2020 6:13 am

In post 2226, Alisae wrote:Okay
here's the thing I wanted to talk about with you after massclaim is over.

What do you think about NK15's play from this day phase alone

It's nothing to write home about. I don't see it as particularly scummy though.

Ame · Tue May 12, 2020 6:19 am

@NK

1. Why did you not state you forgot to train earlier?
2. How did you forget to train?
3. If you are low on XP why are you not voting for Pokerus?
4.

Why are you ignoring that SpringRaven has been spewed town by kerset

5. Where do you believe Raya was acting defensively and based on the examples you give, how do you think she should have reacted to them?
6. What is your read on GinnieSoulEnergy and MomoSae?

Ame · Tue May 12, 2020 8:17 am

In post 2308, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 2299, Ame wrote:
@NK

1. Why did you not state you forgot to train earlier?
2. How did you forget to train?
3. If you are low on XP why are you not voting for Pokerus?
4.
Why are you ignoring that SpringRaven has been spewed town by kerset

5. Where do you believe Raya was acting defensively and based on the examples you give, how do you think she should have reacted to them?
6. What is your read on GinnieSoulEnergy and MomoSae?
1. Because I knew what would happen if I did(what currently happens).
2.I thought about the quest Night 1 and ... didn`t think about that I had to do something despite being VT.
3.I need 1 xp. And even if I`d need 2: Pokerus gives the remaining mafia more xp when they train. That`s bad.
4. I don`t townhunt(except for mechanics). Plus that argument is BS. Calling someone a jester sounds so strange that it may very well be made up for that purpose.
5. When you put them under pressure they gave you a detailed wall of text. Do you see walls like that anywhere else in their ISO?
6.Ginngie has a lot of fluff. Mildly suspicious. I didnt see anything suspicious on TSE so far. The slot has two missed trainings though.. although on second thought they are a VT claim... and that was part of my problem. Momo/Alisae... the lie bothers me. Scummy. Nothing else stands out.

1. Ginnie claimed right away and we didn't push him. Why didn't you claim when I was pushing him for forgetting? The town response would have been something like "Actually to be fair, Ame, I forgot too."
2. My thing is you were very cognizant about the mechanics and whatnot during the day. I can understand Ginnie forgetting because Ginnie and he claimed it right away. You did not. You voted in the quest immediately. It doesn't make sense that you just forgot to train.
5. I specifically asked her to address each part of my case. Saying that she is defensive from that is disingenuous.

WHY ARE YOU USING GRAVE ACCENTS AS APOSTROPHIES

Ame · Tue May 12, 2020 8:49 am

NK, what do you think was the motivation behind Spring "lying" about her XP?

Ame · Tue May 12, 2020 9:31 am

Raven did you claim your XP use / upgrade status? And all of your ability?

Ame · Tue May 12, 2020 12:10 pm

Raven what about the XP gained from successfully using your ability?

Ame · Tue May 12, 2020 12:21 pm

I'm sorry, I skimmed that part. Where did you claim you gain XP from positive results on your ability before?

Ame · Tue May 12, 2020 12:54 pm

Thank you Raven. I've been skimming and there seems to be entire pages I've missed!

Ame · Tue May 12, 2020 1:43 pm

I still don't think NK is scum. His tone and play look very natural and consistent. I also don't think this comes from partner!NK:

In post 359, Not Known 15 wrote:That was more than two years ago... Do you remember all things from two years ago? I see the possibility of it being faked but it isn`t big enough to be scum indicative.

If NK is the type of player to hard bus his buddies, which is currently the case against him, then he would not have defended my early D1 push on mastina here.

In post 2338, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 2337, Ame wrote:Thank you Raven. I've been skimming and there seems to be entire pages I've missed!
Sure, np.

I don’t believe NK15’s recent posts. I find it really strange that anyone claiming to be familiar with Farkset ISO would have PB and Creature as nulls and you’re his only townread and he has to townread you for the uncounterclaimed vig claim on Farkset.

Also his post about Farkset “panicking” sounds like something Farkran told him to say and we know, he is still participating in the scum PT and NK15 previously never made any mention of this so-called “panic”, so I’m calling bullshit on that.

He did mention it in his big Spring V Farkran case:

In post 1050, Not Known 15 wrote:This doesn`t sound hostile at all. Spring almost instantly retracted the claim "in 1 xp" even if the rules wouldn`t forbid it(1 xp from the beginning->you need 1 more xp...), though; extremely out of character for what spring is trying to emulate(would they really re-check based on that flimsy claim without any added reasoning, "that they don`t believe it"?
But if Farkran told them to retract that in their scumchat...
That`s right. No one of them has to hold back because there WILL be a scum flip at the end. This is staged.

Ame · Tue May 12, 2020 1:45 pm

I think Pine slots claim may shed some light on something. The wait continues.

Ame · Tue May 12, 2020 1:54 pm

Oh Pink, I meant to ask, you sent the Bard action during N2?

Ame · Tue May 12, 2020 2:32 pm

Hi ABR! We are mass claiming and your slot is the only one left. Could you claim following the below format?

In post 2181, Ame wrote:Role Name:
Abilities and Cost:
Actions during each phase:
Anything else relevant:

XP
Starting XP (from your role PM):
XP at the end of D1:
XP at the end of Quest 1:
XP at the end of N1:
XP at the end of D2:
XP at the end of N2:
Current XP:

XP needed to upgrade:
Have you upgraded (yes/no):
If yes, during which phase:

Ame · Tue May 12, 2020 2:33 pm

In post 2343, Raven Branwen wrote:What about 1114 then? Why did Kerset get so bent out of shape by LC not auto townreading NK15?

I think that was more a swipe at FotC than it was about NK.

Ame · Tue May 12, 2020 2:53 pm

@Hectic

1. Why are you playing as placated Hectic in this game

in particular

?
2. When did you enter this playstyle?
3. Why were you town reading Fark as of 376?
3. Why were you town reading Raya at the point as well?
4. Did you at any point feel that Fark was pocketing you?
5. What didn't you like about 292?
6. Can you explain what you meant here:

In post 939, Hectic wrote:I can see what you mean that he's trying to approach from all angles and is being too "political".

7. Why were you willing to be captured D1?
8. In 1110 What do you mean by my turnaround contrasts my scum game (example)?
9. What are you referring to in 781?

Ame · Tue May 12, 2020 3:00 pm

Is it compulsive?

Ame · Tue May 12, 2020 8:45 pm

Ahh #4 was really the main point I was concerned about. With hindsight, it seemed like it should have been something you were concerned of. You hadn't really voiced any suspicions of them though and that felt weird to me. But it makes sense if Farkran was using an ongoing game to manipulate your perception. There only other one I'd like an answer to is #6. You don't have to answer the rest.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 6:29 am

ABR could we get the details of your role and XP use.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 6:43 am

What are the details of your role? Do you receive a new set of public mechanics to chose from each night? You can gift & do the public mechanic thing? What are the details of the public mechanics you can currently select?

Most importantly, Pine claimed to be able to confirm that Raya gifted me last night. How is this so?

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 11:52 am

ARB I'm confused because these

In post 1279, Pine wrote:I had a choice between three public effects to put in place today - everyone has the ability to gift XP, everyone can spend an XP to bodyguard someone, or everyone can spend one XP to make gold.

aren't the same as these:

In post 2357, Albert B. Rampage wrote:One is doctor, one grants xp, and one is a mystery.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 2:35 pm

In post 2379, Albert B. Rampage wrote:The bodyguard is a doctor. The gold is the mystery. We lost those abilities forever when Gift was randomized.

So you can protect someone, gift someone XP, or give them gold and that action will become public?

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 2:50 pm

Why was he insistent that gold would make a person bulletproof?

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 2:53 pm

In post 2369, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Gift N1 gained 1 XP

Trained night 2 gained 2 XP

Now at 3 XP

Also, how did you gain 1 XP Night 1?

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 3:03 pm

In post 2400, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Successful gift from 1 player to another gives me 1XP

The Gift mechanic didn't become available until D2, so again, how did you gain an XP N1?

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 3:19 pm

You said you gained 2 XP N2

(￣ヘ￣)

Kanna sensei am I doing it right?

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 3:21 pm

The gift mechanic was selected N1. No one GIFTED. There was no XP for you to gain N1 from the Gift ability.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 3:26 pm

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 3:30 pm

OK I see now you were just saying that you selected gift, not that you gained 1 XP

from

gift.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 3:30 pm

That was very frustrating. We claimed because Alisae said to.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 3:32 pm

Pine started with 1 XP
Night 1 he gained 1 XP from the Lord
Night 2 he Trained and received 1 XP from Train and 0 XP from Gift.

That is 3 XP. There is no XP missing. Raya did not 'Gift' me. She provided me XP with a separate ability.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 4:36 pm

Hello!

TSE, you stated that scum is probably within NK, Ame, and Raya based on Fark's read list. I don't think it's NK. Do you think it could be Raya?

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 5:48 pm

Raya or Ali... Raya or Ali...

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 5:50 pm

In post 2057, Raya36 wrote:
In post 2053, Alisae wrote:idunno
I'm just make decisions based on what my role is and what I think we should do
I feel like questing is a good idea because I'm keeping people safe from being sabotaged
if you can't trust me then /shrug idunno what to say
This is scum

What was scummy about this?

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 6:54 pm

Ali, if you were scum this game what could I use to identify you?

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 7:42 pm

He's saying the gift mechanic was randomized. Pine could choose between three different mechanics, but didn't and so Gifting was randomly chosen.

He's not saying that using Gift was randomized.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 8:49 pm

Alright, let's do it. I'm sorry Raya..

VOTE: Raya

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 8:53 pm

I guess I could take another Bard, PinkB. Unless anyone else has a use for it. Or you can save it. Either way.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 9:07 pm

VOTE: Hectic

Actually.

I'm sorry this is just too similar to your scum play.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 9:09 pm

In post 1593, Hectic wrote:Raya, out of interest, is English your first language?

In post 1606, Hectic wrote:No, I just find the way you word certain things quite unique. It's hard to articulate.

In post 1583, Raya36 wrote:I always thought of Hectic as town but I was also very suspicious of the slot because nothing was strongly town to me but that changed.
Could you elaborate how you were very suspicious of me while always thinking of me as town?

Like what was this even about even.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 9:10 pm

Yes Hectic just die. There's no solve intent behind him at all. He's just saying things.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 9:11 pm

Oof

must

not just

I'm not that aggressive!

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 9:12 pm

From the very beginning you were just asking things to ask

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 9:13 pm

No real follow up

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 9:14 pm

Raven, have we played together? Also why are you so defensive of your slot being scum read!?

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 9:18 pm

In post 2439, Ame wrote:From the very beginning you were just asking things to ask

Like this:

In post 190, Hectic wrote:
In post 188, Raya36 wrote:I would honestly consider anyone pushing for neighborizer to be scummy. It gains almost no useful and dependable information for town to use and also is a great way for scum to pocket and gain town trust.
Who do you think of the current people voting neighbouriser are scummy for it?

There was so much contradiction in Raya's response but you never followed up on it.

And you never questioned your Farkran read at

all

, even after my case.

This was all before Fark was shot and Knight was lynched, so the idea of the game being won as the reason for your lack of motivation doesn't gel.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 9:20 pm

In post 2443, Raven Branwen wrote:Do you not like this post @Ame?

Actually thank you for pointing this out. I overlooked how unreasonable this is. The assumptions he is making here are not reasonable.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 9:21 pm

NK, Raven. Ali. Will you join me on Hectic?

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 9:24 pm

In post 2446, Ame wrote:Actually thank you for pointing this out. I overlooked how unreasonable this is. The assumptions he is making here are not reasonable.

Like it's kind of the same thing Fark was doing with that whole thing. Making a post simply to show how contemplative he was being.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 9:27 pm

In post 2445, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 2440, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 1275, springlullaby wrote:I need 2 xp btw, kthanks.
This was on D2, so why tf are NK and ABR sr that?
Because it means that you need 4 xp. But with needing 4 xp the "I made a mistake I don`t need just 1 xp" is even less credible....

Voeyer + Leader = 2. Maybe she forgot she couldn't train as well and that's what she was banking on to get 3 and then realized she couldn't.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 9:34 pm

In post 986, springlullaby wrote:@Ame: consider the following.

In post 147, Professor Moriarty wrote:The sabotage may be targeted at the quest leader. It will not prevent any of those things.

@mod: could you confirm whether quest actions and night actions are resolved separately? aka Potential action of scum/town PR does not affect quest item actions?

@NK based on this, I think she wanted to use gifting the quest item as a guaranteed way of successfully voyeuring and gaining XP.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 9:48 pm

Hectic, in the dream you had to fight me but you didn't want to. I only had a str 30 sword which barely made a dent in your armor. You could heal faster than I could give damage. You wielded an axe, however, that was specifically designed to take down that sort of armor and it was str 60. And that's when I realized..you wanted me to defeat you. You wanted me to take your axe and use it to strike you down. But you couldn't stop fighting. I had to do it...

I parried an attack and the axe was dropped. A knowing smile on your face. Freedom it said. And then I sliced your head off.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 9:49 pm

In post 2450, Ame wrote:NK based on this, I think she wanted to use gifting the quest item as a guaranteed way of successfully voyeuring and gaining XP.

It was guaranteed from this. If she was in control of gifting, a bonus action, then she could voyer the person she gifted and gain XP.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 9:53 pm

Farkset did same thing to me. Let me find it.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 10:03 pm

In post 819, Farkset wrote:
In post 767, Ame wrote:So I've been thinking about this and I think it's best I claim. When I die, I become a treestump and the lynch mechanic activates. I've been trying to play in a way so as to draw the night kill, but with two claims now and seeing as FOC's, in particular, suggests a strong PR, I think that's probably not happening. So I'm claiming now to suggest that perhaps vig can aim for me tonight? I think there may be another way to activate the mechanic also because it says it will activate when I die
unless
it's already activated.
This looks… dangerous, and misconceived. You said you have been trying to draw the nk, but now you're making a claim that basically validates your survival forever, unless there is specifically a vig in the setup? I mean… it's not even scum motivated, unless scum knows for sure that there is NOT a vig in the setup - you seem to be taking an unnecessary high risk from the town by claiming this, which scum would probably just shut up about, but as town it's a pretty terrible claim, once again unless you know that there IS a vig in the setup. Hmmm.

-Farkran

His reaction to my claim here was similar to the way he reacted to springs

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 10:14 pm

Another thing. Hectic couldn't kill last night because he used his 1 XP to kill N1 and he had no buddies to do it last night.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 10:15 pm

He wasn't sabatoged. He just claimed to inorder to explain why he lost an XP during the night and to get himself cleared.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 10:18 pm

In post 2466, Not Known 15 wrote:Leader died.

Huh?

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 10:22 pm

Oh keep forgetting about that.

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 10:23 pm

In post 2469, Alisae wrote:
In post 2465, Ame wrote:He wasn't sabatoged. He just claimed to inorder to explain why he lost an XP during the night and to get himself cleared.
What were his reads throughout day 1?

Momo, Pink, Ginnie

Ame · Wed May 13, 2020 10:30 pm

Lol sorry Ali. Those were his scumreads off the top of my head. Here's his list that more or less stayed the same throughout the day.

In post 376, Hectic wrote:Farkset (Farkran + Kerset)
Not Known 15
Ame
springlullaby
Raya36
Lady Chloe
Pine
momo
mastina
Pink Ball
Ginngie
Flight of the Conchords (secret hydra)

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 3:52 am

UNVOTE: Hectic

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 3:53 am

(still want to lynch just don't want hammer yet)

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 6:49 am

In post 2502, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 2501, Ame wrote:(still want to lynch just don't want hammer yet)
What are you waiting on then?

I'd like to think about the night actions. I'm busty atm.

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 6:50 am

Also, I will never lynch someone that hasn't had a chance to speak. It makes my blood boil.

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 7:04 am

In post 2503, Raya36 wrote:I'd like Hectic to come address some of this before a hammer

Then why did you put him at L-1?

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 7:39 am

Raven what is your role name? Sorry if I missed it. Is it called Voyeur or something else

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 7:40 am

Raven we can vote on a public mechanic and lynch.

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 7:41 am

Raven are you certain? Everyone else seems to have a thematic name. I'm a Rogue

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 7:47 am

Raven have you submitted your upgrade today?

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 8:00 am

In post 2549, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 2546, Ame wrote:Raven have you submitted your upgrade today?
Have you been reading my posts? I still only have 3 XP, I need 4 to upgrade.

I'm just going through the roles and making a final list so we can decide on a course of night actions. It's hard to keep track!

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 8:07 am

I mean you didn't use the format I asked for so I have to keep searching for the pieces individually.

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 8:41 am

Spoiler: Claims

Ok so how about PB bard Raya
Raya Accelerate TSE and Gift Ame
TSE Train
NK Train
Ali Train
PB Train
ARB Train
Raven target TSE or Ame
No one LR

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 8:43 am

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 8:44 am

In post 2511, Ame wrote:
In post 2503, Raya36 wrote:I'd like Hectic to come address some of this before a hammer
Then why did you put him at L-1?

@Raya

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 8:44 am

In post 2575, Raven Branwen wrote:Why shouldn’t she gift me? I only can upgrade if I get results.

You will get a result be targeting me or TSE

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 8:50 am

Pink, Raya cannot gift/accelerate, do a night action, and kill correct?

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 8:51 am

Since she is on 1 XP I mean.
I will know if she gifts me.

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 8:52 am

In post 2585, Raven Branwen wrote:You don’t know that. Why do you think I’d get a result on TSE? If I don’t get any, Raya gifting me ensures I get to upgrade regardless, which is why I think she should gift me.

Because Raya is targeting him and She is targeting me.

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 8:54 am

In post 2355, Ame wrote:@Hectic

1. Why are you playing as placated Hectic in this game
in particular
?
2. When did you enter this playstyle?
3. Why were you town reading Fark as of 376?
3. Why were you town reading Raya at the point as well?
4. Did you at any point feel that Fark was pocketing you?
5. What didn't you like about 292?
6. Can you explain what you meant here:
In post 939, Hectic wrote:I can see what you mean that he's trying to approach from all angles and is being too "political".
7. Why were you willing to be captured D1?
8. In 1110 What do you mean by my turnaround contrasts my scum game (example)?
9. What are you referring to in 781?

Hectic, could you answer number 6 here

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 8:56 am

In post 2592, Pink Ball wrote:No, but the accelerated or the gifted could magically die during the night not being able to claim if they were actually accelerated or gifted

You don't have to worry about that. We'll be able to confirm if she did what she said regardless.

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 10:17 am

Hectic, you stated that you lost motivation because the game was won, but your play has been as it is since D1

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 10:26 am

In post 2614, Hectic wrote:I don't think it's the progression itself that pings me about this, but the way you put it into words. "You've convinced me. Pine is town." and "But in the end I've been convinced he is town." for example sound like a manipulative ways of sounding transparent. It's hard to exactly articulate what I mean, and I'm unsure if it's NAI all together. I'll have to check your meta on this.

Your reasoning here is what I find scummy. Did you ever check her meta? I presume no, which indicates that this post was made solely for the sake of looking like you were solving. Also indicative of this is the point itself. It's convoluted and forced and not to Hectic standards. All of your scumhunting posts this game all have this same

look-im-scum-hunting

tone. The only other reason I could think of for your play is that you're deliberately playing scummy to balance out your meta, in which case, shame on you.

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 10:27 am

As soon as everyone agrees to the Night actions, I am ready to end the day.

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 10:28 am

I'm glad.

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 10:35 am

Actually, I don't care about the night actions. I am ready whenever Pink is. Let's end this.

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 11:03 am

In post 2630, Hectic wrote:How are you so confident I'm scum, Ame? I was in the
Town Core
once, and for good reason. You change your mind about me too often. This is like Strawberry again, though admittedly I have been far lazier than I'd like this game.

It's not just about lack of activity. It's about the content.
For example, in Stawberry you made very nuanced and insightful points. You do so in all your games. Here it's as if you're struggling to find things scummy and have to resort to forced arguments. (For example, town reading Spring for reversing you and Pink, and the post above about Raya's language).

Also, what is this Town Core you speak of? Is this about that phishing scam?

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 11:12 am

Yea Raya what's up with that? Why Hectic now?

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 11:22 am

You were sure it was Ali. Then you were sure it was NK. Now you're sure it's Hectic. It's like you're going wherever the wind blows.

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 1:28 pm

In post 2637, Raya36 wrote:I've come up with plenty of reads on my own. Just not today. I was so sure it was Ali based on the associations I did

And Nk?

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 1:37 pm

Why don't you believe the point on NK anymore?

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 2:00 pm

Which points do you think makes Hectic look worse?

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 2:46 pm

Let's do it!

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 3:23 pm

One more and I shall hammer.

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 3:24 pm

Any last words, miamo?

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 4:33 pm

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 5:15 pm

Pink do you think I said something improper?

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 5:26 pm

VOTE: Raya

Ame · Thu May 14, 2020 5:33 pm

In post 2666, Titus wrote:Hi. Will post tmo.

Could you vote Raya before you leave.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 2:30 am

If you think he's scum, there is sense in lynching it.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 3:46 am

In post 2706, Pink Ball wrote:Yeah Id rather do this and stick with the plan, Ame

VOTE: NK15

OK

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 3:57 am

Do you guys think NK would be this defensive of his partner so early:

In post 357, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 352, Ame wrote:Being mechanically minded and the fact that she was so involved in the previous game, it is unlikely that she forgot that training can't take place at the same time as an action. If it were someone who wasn't much into mechanics, this would be a reasonable excuse as they may have genuinely just not paid attention the previous game. Mastina is a master mind, however, and very cognizant of the mechanical details.
There were changes, however. The mafia kill was not listed as a bonus action, publicly, at the start of the game.

In post 359, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 358, Ame wrote:Yes, but the rule was the same. We just have added clarification here.

From XP1:
This takes the place of another action and cannot be used alongside
any action
.
Additionally, Mastina was a part of the scum team so was aware even if the public wasn't. And the post I quoted from before indicates that she was:

mastina wrote:
In post 2061, havingfitz wrote: And why no kill N4?

There's no explanation for this except for scum training. It's the only possibility, because there's no method by which a kill could have been stopped.
I didn't stop it with my roleblock, Assembler was dead, so there was no longer any obstacles for a kill. It had to be training. N3 does not have to be.
That was more than two years ago... Do you remember all things from two years ago? I see the possibility of it being faked but it isn`t big enough to be scum indicative.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 3:58 am

VOTE: Ali

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 4:48 am

There are two parts to the case on MomoSae

Momo

Farkran made an incredibly scummy post here: 454.

I asked momo about it and his response is #3 here: 974. He is agreeing with Farkset's completely nonsensical and forced reasoning. In that post, Farkran also alluded to the possibility of Hectic having town slipped from that whole ordeal which was even more nonsensical; and Momo agreed to that here as well. It doesn't read as genuine to me.

Alisae

Spoiler:

Yesterday, I proposed a capture strategy that would have made scum unable to perform the night kill while everyone trained and upgraded their abilities

*

. I asked each person if they agreed to the strategy and Alisae agreed to it:

In post 1738, Alisae wrote:
In post 1732, Ame wrote:
@Alisae
what do you think of this:

In post 1714, Ame wrote:
In post 1707, Ame wrote:My role is quite powerful. And considering Pine's, I'm wondering what scum have to balance it out. There's another part to my initial role
and
I received another component from the upgrade.

The plan:

~Whoever we think is scum, we have them claim their XP: Raya, Creature, Knight I think.
~We capture one of them.
~The other two gift me the entirety of their XP.

I should be able to determine if they truly gifted me the correct amount based on what I receive.
I also have a way to determine if they are being deceptive with the second part of my role.
Since they are gifting all their XP, they will be unable to perform the night kill. (You can't kill and gift at the same time)
We aim investigative roles at them and continue this process over multiple days/nights while everyone else trains and upgrades.
Further, if there is a night kill and I receive the correct amount of XP, we know there is scum outside of the group. So scum will have to show themselves one way or the other, or allow all town roles and investigatives free reign to investigate and do their upgrades.
looks good to me

However, when I proposed that Knight be the capture and e gift, eir whole demeanor changed:

In post 1832, Ame wrote:Very well. Let's instead Capture Knight. Alisae and Raya gift. Creature does not.

Ali and Raya, how much XP do you have? And how much did you begin with?

In post 1835, Alisae wrote:We should lynch Raya and try to stay focused here.

It was odd to me that e wasn't willing to claim eir XP because even if e didn't want to gift it, there wasn't really a reason to keep it concealed:

In post 1849, Ame wrote:Is there an issue with claiming your XP?

In post 1850, Alisae wrote:yeah I have an issue with it at this moment

I asked if e would agree to it if we lynched Raya (at the time, eir justification was that they believed Raya was scum). Again e agreed:

In post 1856, Alisae wrote:
In post 1853, Ame wrote:If Raya flips town, will you agree to gifting you XP? I would need to know how much XP you have currently.
Yeah thats fine

But soon backtracked:

In post 1868, Alisae wrote:@Ame gifting isn't a bonus action.
I need my action for the night lmao.

This didn't make sense because Momo had claimed quest doublevoter, which isn't really essential, especially since we weren't even questing:

In post 1872, Alisae wrote:
In post 1871, Ame wrote: I don't see why a quest double voter would need their action.
Because I'm not just a doublevoter?

Ali further claimed to be a sabotage protector:

In post 1873, Alisae wrote:Ima just claim because I have votes on me but I'm not sure how many and I think I'm close to lynch range

If I'm on quests I prevent people from being sabotaged
momo didn't act n1

But again we weren't even questing so why would e need eir

**

action? Lastly, e finally did claim XP and portrayed it as if it were going to get em killed:

In post 1876, Alisae wrote:oh also i have 2 xp and i level up getting 3 xp
yeah
i either get shot or sabotaged lmao

thanks ame

which is bananas considering eir ability isn't usable without the quest and the fact that e was in the lynch pool. E claimed before that e wasn't aware that we weren't questing (yet e later demonstrated that e did in fact read the page where we discussed it), but at this point e had been made explicitly aware, so it doesn't make sense that e would believe this.

*Note, my plan would have not been successful if Knight was not the capture as his role would have prevented any actions targeting me.
**I have no idea if I'm using eir here correctly. Sorry if I'm botching it.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 11:31 am

Let's end the day.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 11:34 am

Is Raven literally just a Spring alt?

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 11:37 am

I believe L-2.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 11:41 am

It's fine, don't you think? We have enough mislynches. Let's just start reducing the pool.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 11:52 am

I don't think any of the current candidates will flip scum. I think we should just end the day. I am willing to capture Ali, if that would make you more comfortable.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 12:03 pm

It would allow time for everyone to train and upgrade. It's quite possible that one of the three VT roles is an investigative or has an IC element. In the previous game, one of the VT's upgraded to an IC I believe.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 12:05 pm

I don't really trust town slips from strong players. For example, mastina also town slipped. That being said, I do think Ali's tone in general and their willingness to be lynched is town indicative.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 12:08 pm

I think process of elimination is leading me to PB since my reasoning for classifying them as town is the flimsiest. And the push on Knight came a little too late I think since it was after I proposed the capture Knight/gift strategy. Thinking about it, that post mastina made about putting PB in the town pile was kind of strange as well. This is stream of conscious.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 12:15 pm

UNVOTE: Ali

I'm not sure if I already did that. Raven, I'll look at the hammer situation in a little bit.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 12:50 pm

In post 2785, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 222, mastina wrote:
In post 172, Pink Ball wrote:Can I be the leader of the quest??
I'd trust PB as a leader over spring for what it's worth--not because I think spring is suspicious (spring's probably town), but because I trust PB to make better use out of being the leader than spring.

In post 223, mastina wrote:
In post 174, Hectic wrote:Only if you share it with me, Pink Ball. We should ration leadership out.
That said, would trust Hectic with leader even more than PB. PB, love ya to death, but you're not as obvtown as Hectic is and I got the sense that Hectic is more mechanically-minded than you so like. Hectic > PB > spring imo for leadership.
If PB is scum here, what exactly is the point of these posts?

There really is no purpose for her doing that to a buddy. If there is, I’m not seeing it.

Scum want to have one of their own as quest leader.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 12:55 pm

Because directly pushing your partner for leader feels naked.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 12:56 pm

I'm having trouble finding where Raya was at L-1, could you point me to it?

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 12:58 pm

VOTE: Pink Baller

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 1:01 pm

It just seems to me like all the arguments right now are T v T v T v T.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 1:04 pm

I feel like Ali would be making an effort to survive here if e was scum.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 1:21 pm

@Alisae, why self hammer?

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 1:39 pm

Raven, you stated that you think NK was trying to clear Knight or have reason to town read him through your flip. Do you think Fark could have been doing that with Pink ball here:454?

Also, you stated that you believe Hectic was really sabotaged because you believe Knight did the kill. Doesn't that mean that NK is probably telling the truth about forgetting to train N1? If he didn't do the kill, why would he claim this?

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 1:43 pm

Titus what do you think of Ali's willingness to be hammered here:

Spoiler:

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 1:58 pm

In post 2827, Raya36 wrote:
In post 2773, Ame wrote:I think process of elimination is leading me to PB since my reasoning for classifying them as town is the flimsiest. And the push on Knight came a little too late I think since it was after I proposed the capture Knight/gift strategy. Thinking about it, that post mastina made about putting PB in the town pile was kind of strange as well. This is stream of conscious.
I really don't think it's PB. They didn't have to bard you Ame. If they're scum they would've used that on their buddy

They didn't have a buddy.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 1:59 pm

In post 2829, Ame wrote:
In post 2827, Raya36 wrote:
In post 2773, Ame wrote:I think process of elimination is leading me to PB since my reasoning for classifying them as town is the flimsiest. And the push on Knight came a little too late I think since it was after I proposed the capture Knight/gift strategy. Thinking about it, that post mastina made about putting PB in the town pile was kind of strange as well. This is stream of conscious.
I really don't think it's PB. They didn't have to bard you Ame. If they're scum they would've used that on their buddy
They didn't have a buddy.

He also thought I still had vigilante shots and he was in my town pool.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 2:00 pm

In post 2830, Ame wrote:
In post 2829, Ame wrote:
In post 2827, Raya36 wrote:
In post 2773, Ame wrote:I think process of elimination is leading me to PB since my reasoning for classifying them as town is the flimsiest. And the push on Knight came a little too late I think since it was after I proposed the capture Knight/gift strategy. Thinking about it, that post mastina made about putting PB in the town pile was kind of strange as well. This is stream of conscious.
I really don't think it's PB. They didn't have to bard you Ame. If they're scum they would've used that on their buddy
They didn't have a buddy.
He also thought I still had vigilante shots and he was in my town pool.

And scum can't kill right now because it would provide too many clears. Even tonight there isn't going to be a kill.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 2:03 pm

In post 2806, Ame wrote:I'm having trouble finding where Raya was at L-1, could you point me to it?

@Raven could you link me where Raya was at L-1?

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 2:20 pm

I think I just realized PB's claim may not hold up.

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 2:25 pm

Spoiler:

Nevermind, you just mistyped your N1 XP. It should be 3 instead of 2, correct?

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 3:48 pm

Why self hammer yesterday I mean? Also if you're willing to do so today, is that the same as conceding?

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 10:12 pm

Not Lynch Pile

Raven is town
Raya is playing really townie today
Titus town- If Hectic replaced out there as scum, I'd be livid.
PineARB town mechanically - teach and alchemist probably not on same team
NK is town. wouldn't have defended mastina

Could be Convinced

creature
ali

Lynch Pile

pb
tse

It's time to take another look at Ginnie/TSE

Ame · Fri May 15, 2020 10:20 pm

I don't see it. It literally has to be PB. I'll do a meta dive on him tomorrow.

Ame · Sat May 16, 2020 3:39 am

NK if you were scum, how would you have approached this game differently?

Ame · Sat May 16, 2020 3:43 am

Raya, the associative is valid because if NK is scum, then he the type of scum that hard busses his mates since he hard pushed Farkset and pushed Knight yesterday. Therefore, his defense of mastina so early in D1 would most certainly mean they are not partners. NK being scum is not internally consistent. Therefore he is not scum.

Ame · Sat May 16, 2020 3:43 am

In post 2898, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 2897, Ame wrote:NK if you were scum, how would you have approached this game differently?
I don`t know.

Who do you think the best player would have been to make the night kill?

Ame · Sat May 16, 2020 3:48 am

At that point in the game there was no need to defend their partner. It was near the beginning of Day 1 on a capture-only day. There is no reason to make that association. I was the only person who voiced the suspicion at the time and NK immediately responded without any input from others, which shows he was not waiting to see how the cards fell. At the time, I noted the exact opposite with Farkset who ignored the ordeal completely.

NK is not scum.

Ame · Sat May 16, 2020 3:49 am

In post 2903, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 2901, Ame wrote:
In post 2898, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 2897, Ame wrote:NK if you were scum, how would you have approached this game differently?
I don`t know.
Who do you think the best player would have been to make the night kill?
Not Farkran. Either Knight or the third scum(depending on who and what it is).

In this scenario, you are the third. So based on that, who do you think should have done it?

Ame · Sat May 16, 2020 3:51 am

In post 1795, Not Known 15 wrote:9 HOURS left until the day ends. VOTE: Knightmare

This is not a bus vote. Partner wouldn't off-hand draw attention to the fact that we need to lynch soon. And he doesn't provide any reasoning, which scum tend to do for the showmanship.

Ame · Sat May 16, 2020 3:52 am

I looked through Ginnie's meta last night. There's also no way that slot is scum. Scum Ginnie is way different. Also, no matter how many times I read the quest posts, they come off as extremely townie.

Ame · Sat May 16, 2020 3:55 am

I still need to further dive into PB, but from the first two games I've looked through (1 scum, 1 town) this playstyle deviates from both. In those games, he was much more jokey and engaged (made cases and the like). I am not sure how to interpret this yet considering that seems to be his natural way of playing as either alignment. @PB do you have any examples of town games similar to this one?

Ame · Sat May 16, 2020 3:55 am

Also, NK why wouldn't you have Farkset do the kill?

Ame · Sat May 16, 2020 4:03 am

In post 2915, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 2910, Ame wrote:Also, NK why wouldn't you have Farkset do the kill?
There was significant suspicion about that slot, and a Watcher is useful for scum. Also, watching would have given them silent XP.

The NK is a bonus action. With this knowledge who do you think should have done it?

Ame · Sat May 16, 2020 4:10 am

OK NK how did you forget the kill was a bonus action?

Ame · Sat May 16, 2020 4:12 am

You would not have been the correct choice btw as you would have needed to train. Farkset would not need to train as he could gain XP through his ability. It would have been a waste of your potential upgrade.

Ame · Sat May 16, 2020 4:14 am

That's good enough for me. Thank you for indulging me.

Ame · Sat May 16, 2020 8:56 am

Pinky, do you have a game similar to this one? And is it ok if I call you Pinky?

Ame · Sat May 16, 2020 9:04 am

Also I like plastic love too :3

Ame · Sat May 16, 2020 9:49 pm

I am thinking through some stuff. I will solidify my vote later today.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 7:07 am

Raya could you unvote for a bit?

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 7:13 am

ABR isn't scum:

In post 572, Farkset wrote:
In post 570, Pink Ball wrote:That being said:

VOTE: Disable Strongman

HURT: Pine
Pine looks like the weirdest choice in this gamestate… why would you vote there?

-Farkran

In post 577, Farkset wrote:Cmon pine made very informative 7 posts, he voted spring in one of them. That makes him obvious scum. *irony*
~ker

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 7:15 am

In post 582, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 578, springlullaby wrote:^This is really bad.
No, it`s not. Don`t disable lurkers.

More NK town.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 7:39 am

On the Kerset side, it's a similar TMI read to how Kerset read Spring as Jester. On the Farkran side, he likes to be right and he wouldn't town read a scum buddy.
Additionally, the way Pine claimed was town. And again—for some reason, people seem to be ignoring this—alchemist and teacher are not mechanically both on the scum team.

The points Raven has brought up are not satisfactory as they are simply indicators of ABR's personality, not his alignment. The "contradiction" that NK brought up as his reason to vote was not a contradiction. ABR fully explained the discrepancy in his and Pine's claim.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 7:39 am

I think I know who it is, I am just verifying before posting my case. In the meantime, I ask that you unvote.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 8:32 am

It does make logical sense.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 8:46 am

NK is also town. It's neither of them. It's also not PB.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 8:46 am

Please unvote while I write up the case.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 8:47 am

It will just be an hour.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 8:48 am

We have 3 hours after my case and we have enough people here. Unvote please.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 8:51 am

There will be a hammer. I've seen it in my mind's eye. Titus if you are here what is the big deal about unvoting for an hour.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 8:53 am

Thank you Raven!

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 10:03 am

Almost done!

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 10:18 am

Ok, so it's Creature. The thing I noticed about Farkran's interaction with mastina yesterday is the tonal difference between the way he talks to his partners and town members. I've been taking some time with this case because it's difficult to communicate tonal differences, but I'll do my best. Here are the two posts the stood out with his mastina interaction:

Spoiler:

There is a soft inquiry tone to them. It's different than every other player (beside Lady) that he communicated with. I guess the best way to describe it is the "hey I am very much interested in your opinion what do you think of" like he is trying to look like he doesn't know here alignment. Going off of this, he has a very overt and solid tell that indicates his scumbuddies: the use of phrases like " I'm interested in your opinion." It's pretty funny that it's a tell, but it's consistent with the way he interacts with mastina and Chloe throughout the game and distinct from his interactions with others. It's as if he making it known that he is just trying to gauge them and not really pushing them pre se.

Here are the interactions with Chloe where he had the same tone and used the same tell:

Spoiler:

In post 675, Farkset wrote:
In post 668, Lady Chloe wrote:Pink Ball,

May you weigh the pros and cons you see to capturing an individual today?
I'm interested in this, and your comments after pink ball answer

I have my own opinion on the matter too

-Farkran

In post 737, Farkset wrote:Chloe, i scumlean you - i have no issues with you as a person. I feel the need to correct wrong opinions and providing my own, but i don't want you to stop talking.

As you can see, i'm not immune to mistakes though.

-Farkran

In post 822, Farkset wrote:Besides, you say that i haven't been evaluating your motives. Aren't you being self-defensive by attacking me right now? You didn't say in the thread "hey, i am scum!", you offered opinions, and from them i deduced that you are plausibly scum. How is that not evaluating?

If you are town, i disagree with you strongly and i don't want the game to go in the direction you want it to. It happens. Plenty of time, i'd say, in all the games i played. Most of which i have been town. The bolded part sounds like free shade, why are you scumreading disagreement, rather than trying to understand if such disagreement is genuine or fake?

For the record, the main reason i'm scumleaning you is because of your interactions with springlullaby and springlullaby interactions with you. As for hectic, i think he's town and trying to assess whether springlullaby is trolltown or scum, i don't see anything wrong with that. If i am being pocketed by hectic, i'll reassess later, but i just think hectic would be much different as scum than he is in this game.

In post 911, Farkset wrote:No, that specific post does not make you scum. But it also doesn't make you town - in my opinion. I asked Raya what was the difference between your post and Pine's.

Why would you think that post in particular would make anyone read you as town, or scum? This is an interesting question tbh, i'd like to hear why you would think that i should scumread you based on that. Why would a player who scumleans you find scumminess in every single one of your posts?

-----

Additionally, that middle post stood out because of the spontaneous apologetic tone toward Chloe:

In post 737, Farkset wrote:Chloe, i scumlean you - i have no issues with you as a person. I feel the need to correct wrong opinions and providing my own, but i don't want you to stop talking.

As you can see, i'm not immune to mistakes though.

-Farkran

This was the series of posts he was responding to from Chloe:

Spoiler:

There was nothing to be apologetic about. Why did Fark react this way to Chloe but not to others who had pressed him throughout the day, especially Spring? It goes along with the way he treads lightly when speaking to his partners. He doesn't like to hard push his partners but is rather soft with the engagement. And because of how unwarranted the reaction is, I believe that it was just theatre. There was similar theatre later on in the day:

In post 920, Farkset wrote:Well then - i got that impression from your comments about distaste and displeasure when talking to me, glad to hear we aren't going to cross a line here. It was never my intention.

Again, there was no reason to think this at all.

Next, Chloe's progression on Farkset was unnatural.

Spoiler:

She went from this:

In post 971, Lady Chloe wrote:
In post 963, Lady Chloe wrote:
Town

Raya-Ame
FotC-Ginngie-Hectic
Pine-Pink Ball-springlullaby-
NK15

Farkset
mastina-momo

Scum

Dear, there is too many oxygen-mongers.

In post 901, Lady Chloe wrote:My, how informative these posts were after my 848

springlullaby shows a willingness to indulge in my thoughts, while providing an option alternate to my vote on ending the day.

Farkran waits to reply to another person, outlining that I am independently a scumlean despite his previous reasons of suspecting me to be associative, and inquires to another player if they believe I have faked being the mediator.

While both may come from either alignment given a player's skill, I enjoy springlullaby's best given the necessity for town to reach a consensus on the game. One is an example of good faith solving, and the other being less so.

This was the hands-on sorting that I needed to read them better.

In post 906, Lady Chloe wrote:Farkran,

In post 904, Farkset wrote:I replied to Raya because it was Raya pointing out that your 848 was town, while i think you could be able to fake it. It's not part of why i scumlean you, it's an opinion on whether or not that post was indicative of being town, so i asked Raya if he found your post tonally similar to Pine's. I think it isn't but that doesn't make you scum.

What's in good faith from springlullaby?

-Farkran
Your stance bewilders me.

You have yet to voice why I am independently scum for springlullaby, yet you've spoke of this read originally as if it had all to do with my connection to springlullaby.

Someone you could believe is town stated that I were town, but you think the reason to townread me on such is misled. But it is not part of your scumlean on me? Nor is it scum-indicative on my part?

How you view me is non-committal, Farkran.

As for springlullaby, I believe she takes to me in good faith since her reads are committed stances and this is consistent with her approach to the game.

To this:

In post 1210, Lady Chloe wrote:To clarify my viewpoint:

In post 1199, Farkset wrote:The question to ask is:

Why both town and scum were content to have disable strongman as the new mechanic and Ame as the quest leader, but there's so much dissent on the capture target?

Possible answers:
1) Scum is lurking and do not wish to engage the gamestate. This would point to town!Ame having very bad reads and scum residing in the less vocal players: {mastina slot, gingie, pinkball, momo, pine, nk15, raya}
2) All scum are in the vocal players and they're staging to the purpose of dismantling any town cohesion - this would point to either town!ame with good reads, or scum!ame: {farkran, springlullaby, ame, hectic, foc, chloe}
I believe the first possibility is the reality of this game, unless I am deeply misled on my reads.

In post 1229, Lady Chloe wrote:Perhaps I should be open here.

Town

Ame-Raya
springlullaby-FoC-Farkset-Pine-Ginngie-Hectic
(mastina slot)-Pink Ball
NK15-momo

Scum

I will not predict or strategize around nightkills on D1.

Usually, they're either incorrect, or disrupt and doubtcast my own read progression within a game.

Despite the case I made on Fark. She never once addressed my case. And she doesn't ever explain her change in read on Farkset. It's as if once the push on him got serious, she completely dropped it. Additionally, the line I highlighted in blue reads strangely, as if she were patting herself on the back for scumhunting. Also in that post, she implies that her scumhunting led to distinguishing Farkset as scum and Spring as town. Yet she completely abandoned this out of nowhere. Lastly, that second to last quote pinged me because Chloe was on my side for much of the game and it seemed really deraily, like she was trying to mitigate my influence/Fark push.

The bolded lines here also stood out to me day 1:

In post 909, Lady Chloe wrote:
There is one fear I have with you, Farkran, and it is that I am reading you too literally.

If you are not getting the results you desire from this thread as we speak, then it may be a point of reassessment. I don't mean your read on me.

p-edit

I am having trouble concluding who you speak about in the first paragraph, and how you connect the quoted posts to your assessment.

In post 1007, Farkset wrote:
I'm sorry Ame but you are taking everything at surface level,
you refuse to get my points and you are furthering an argument for the sake of being right rather than it being useful to the town.

I could not for the life of me figure out what Chloe was referencing as reading into too literally. This came just a little after I had been debating with Farkset regarding my case. It felt to me as if Chloe were subtly and indirectly reconsider by putting the idea out there that my points weren't just misreading Farks surface behavior. When Fark posted a similar line later, it made me think that Fark genuinely thought that and stated it in the scum chat at around the time of my push. And Chloe put it out there as a way to get it into the atmosphere.

Chloe and Fark also both posted back-to-back to get ahead of speculation regarding mastina's replace out:

In post 1040, Lady Chloe wrote: mastina replaced out due to a ban, I believe. It is unfortunate. It is not AI.

In post 1041, Farkset wrote:Mastina ban
Looks like it's true.

Chloe, why do you townread FotC?

-Farkran

Lastly, Farkan attempted to clear mastina and Chloe from being partners:

In post 105, Farkset wrote:Mastina and Chloe probably disaligned for attempting similar setup-based townslips. I think the townslips aren't particularly AI for either but they are almost never SvS; yet to determine if TvT or TvS.

Actually i'd like mastina to answer this:

In post 75, Lady Chloe wrote:
In post 72, mastina wrote:
In post 70, Lady Chloe wrote:This alt is a playstyle experiment.
Well let me tell you, if you're town it's a failure already. (I guess you could argue it's also a failure as scum if I pegged you this early, buthey, never know.)

Because I'm pretty sure this is not the result you intended from your alt:
HURT: Lady Chloe.
What do you expect from this?
-Farkran

pedit: Ame could you explain why do you think the train cop is a net negative? I mean, i thought so as well initially, but it's clearly not imo

In post 995, Farkset wrote:Also from my notes:
Mastina vs Chloe disaligned
Ame vs springlullaby disaligned
Hectic vs springlullaby disaligned

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 10:18 am

VOTE: Creature

Sorry for typos. I typed fast and didn't proofread.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 10:18 am

VOTE: Creature

Sorry for typos. I typed fast and didn't proofread.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 10:19 am

Oh so that's how people always accidentally double.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 10:20 am

Another thing is read through Chloe's posts coming into Day 2. They come off as really flustered as is she wasn't expecting the night kill. She asks a bunch of questions that have already been answered or don't really make sense to be asking. Then she vanishes. I mentioned before, that this user (I'm aware of her main) is a perfectionist when it comes to scum play and when things don't go as planned she tends to dip out.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 10:27 am

In post 1737, Ame wrote:VOTE: Knightmare

Raya what do you think of the plan I outlined?

The reason why I voted here at this time yesterday was because I felt like Creature was bussing after I had posted this:

In post 1707, Ame wrote:My role is quite powerful. And considering Pine's, I'm wondering what scum have to balance it out. There's another part to my initial role
and
I received another component from the upgrade.

The plan:

~Whoever we think is scum, we have them claim their XP: Raya, Creature, Knight I think.
~We capture one of them.
~The other two gift me the entirety of their XP.

I should be able to determine if they truly gifted me the correct amount based on what I receive.
I also have a way to determine if they are being deceptive with the second part of my role.
Since they are gifting all their XP, they will be unable to perform the night kill. (You can't kill and gift at the same time)
We aim investigative roles at them and continue this process over multiple days/nights while everyone else trains and upgrades.

In post 1709, Creature wrote:Wait, you all think I'm scum?

He then went through his scumhunting charade and ended up here after having mastina in the town pile before:

In post 1734, Creature wrote:I'll go with this then

VOTE: Knightmare

Knight followed with his own bussing soon after:

Spoiler:

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:17 am

Pinky please.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:18 am

What do you not agree with for why it isn't ABR?

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:19 am

Creature is even playing to the scum meta that Hectic provided

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:21 am

In post 3045, Titus wrote:We're no lynching at this rate. Can we please start voting someone that actually can be scum?

Just come over. I don't understand what your deal is with ABR.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:25 am

They didn't coordinate it. Fark was just working off of it which they both had advanced knowledge to.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:26 am

If I'm wrong I'll give you the reins tomorrow.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:27 am

No questions asked. I'll sheep you to your heart's content.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:30 am

Nope scum aren't killing tonight.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:31 am

@TSE

let's lynch scum

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:32 am

It's fine Titus.

@Ali

let's lynch scum

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:32 am

TSE come join us!

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:33 am

We're voting Creature.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:33 am

<3<3<3

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:35 am

Ame, vig Titus if this flips green.

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:39 am

Why are you so sure?

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:40 am

The rule of three thing?

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:46 am

Titus, are you generally this confident about town flips? (Interested to hear from anyone else familiar with Titus).

Ame · Sun May 17, 2020 11:47 am

No one LRs

Ame · Wed May 20, 2020 5:41 am

VOTE: Yes
VOTE: Alisae

Ame · Wed May 20, 2020 5:57 am

What is everyone's current XP?
And NK, TSE, Titus are you able to upgrade today?

Ame · Wed May 20, 2020 6:02 am

Ern Raya you died D:

Ame · Wed May 20, 2020 6:03 am

In post 3111, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 3110, Ame wrote:What is everyone's current XP?
And NK, TSE, Titus are you able to upgrade today?
Upgrade is in progress.

And 4 XP currently?

Ame · Wed May 20, 2020 6:24 am

Ame · Wed May 20, 2020 6:29 am

Why are you not voting the mechanic?

Ame · Wed May 20, 2020 6:30 am

ARB since you have more XP than anyone, would you be willing to lynched so you can use the vengeful kill?

Ame · Wed May 20, 2020 6:33 am

Voting the mechanic doesn't end the day.

Ame · Wed May 20, 2020 6:38 am

In post 3133, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:I need to have a total of 4 XP and I have 3.

What did you do last night?

In post 3134, Titus wrote:
In post 3110, Ame wrote:What is everyone's current XP?
And NK, TSE, Titus are you able to upgrade today?
At the end of day, 3 XP.

What is your current XP?

Ame · Wed May 20, 2020 6:40 am

In post 3138, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
In post 3136, Ame wrote:
In post 3133, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:I need to have a total of 4 XP and I have 3.
What did you do last night?
In post 3134, Titus wrote:
In post 3110, Ame wrote:What is everyone's current XP?
And NK, TSE, Titus are you able to upgrade today?
At the end of day, 3 XP.
What is your current XP?
I did nothing last night.

Why didn't you train?

Ame · Wed May 20, 2020 6:41 am

In post 3141, Titus wrote:3 like I said. I tried to train and upgrade last night but I have to wait to EoD

Ah, the way you and ARB put things on the same line confuses me. I thought you were saying you will have 3 XP at the end of the day.

Ame · Wed May 20, 2020 6:44 am

In post 3146, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Train?
I’m VT.
Don’t I gain XP randomly each night?

Every player has the ability to train and gain 1 XP each night. This is the third time your slot has failed to train.