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[Joey_]

Hi, long time no see

Post restriction was implied in the mod post so I am inclined to take it as cash

[Joey_]

@ bee/nat what about quotes?

[Joey_]

Mod: can we know how many of the C.. stuff we have or had or is the amount disclosed?

[Joey_]

Undisclosed*

[Joey_]

It’s funny I remember the low key stuff but not the obviously stated infos

[Joey_]

lol aw man I didn't realize that 0 corruption really meant I have no vote

How am I supposed to hold onto my claim past day 1 if that's the case XD

I am not sure where you got that info but you should be more cautious since the game hasn't really started

About bee, he's an easy read so I don't really care to use his claim for sorting purposes

[Joey_]

@ bee/nat what about quotes?

Hey friend! What do you think about Bee being town read over their claim?

I misread your question, I though you asked me what my reads were

Hm, I dislike more the townread early timing than the reason itself but it's it not AI in a vacuum

[Joey_]

lol aw man I didn't realize that 0 corruption really meant I have no vote

How am I supposed to hold onto my claim past day 1 if that's the case XD

Take it as you may, I just got confirmed I have 0 c stuff and yet still have a vote

[Joey_]

The flavor crumb in 9 is like, totally legit, man.

And yeah it could be fake flavor but crumbing fake flavor seems far less likely.

Im bad at reading crumbs/flavor, can you explain?

[Joey_]

VOTE: NDMath

You're not a

mason

this time, right?

Funny that you mention it, since I am best friends with Dunn this time.


Joey_ is town.

What makes me town?

[Joey_]

VOTE: androgybee

Can we not troll please

Why do you think they're trolling?
Or, perhaps said in another way, why are you voting them?

- Dumber

Why do you assume he's being voted for trolling?

[Joey_]

I assumed that SS was talking to androgybee when he was talking about trolling and that's why he's voting them, but perhaps I misread / misunderstood that post.

Either way I want him to explain it cuz it doesn't make much sense to me and seems kind of off

- Dumber

Thats what I am saying, just find odds that you think SS would vote someone for trolling. By definition, it would mean SS thinks androgeny is fooling around yet thinks they are mefia for that. Why would he ask people to stop "trolling" if thats how he just found a mefia?

[Joey_]

VOTE: androgybee

Can we not troll please

Why do you think they're trolling?
Or, perhaps said in another way, why are you voting them?

- Dumber

Why do you assume he's being voted for trolling?

your ISO looks like scum trying to generate content. ask stupid questions, get serious votes:

VOTE: Joey_

~Natdia

Hi Nat, been a while. How you doing these days? I know we haven't played in a long time but it's damning you don't "remember" my s play

[Joey_]

i dont remember your scumplay

~natdia

Do you remember my t play then?

Also it's pretty clear my ''stupid question'' you quoted while voting me had a lot of thought process behind it, showed by 87.
Not understanding a question doesn't make it stupid and assuming that I am making this up instead of questioning me is lazy at best

[Joey_]

showed by 88*

[Joey_]

Thats what I am saying, just find odds that you think SS would vote someone for trolling. By definition, it would mean SS thinks androgeny is fooling around yet thinks they are mefia for that. Why would he ask people to stop "trolling" if thats how he just found a mefia?

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're asking me.
I said the post is confusing and seems weird. I don't have an explanation for why he made it, that's why I asked.

Like what do you think he's doing in that post?

- Dumber

Nah, it's not ever clear if SS was talking about you trolling

[Joey_]

And overthinking is my brand name

[Joey_]

Another brand name of mine is misquoted posts.
In 95 I meant to quote androgeny's last post and not DD

[Joey_]

Also, when you appeal to the thread to stop doing X, I am assuming that you are mainly addressing yourself to people who shares your wincon; aka appealing to stop reduce a disruptive behaviour IMO. You don't really need to appeal to mefia because you assume they are doing it on purpose or will not stop etc

Hence why it makes little sens to vote someone for X then ask people to stop doing X

[Joey_]

I am not defending anyone, I just questioned your rationale behind your question, it has nothing to do with SS

[Joey_]

Its funny you pass from being apologetic, to asking my opinion then disregarding my answers and voting me

[Joey_]

Thats what I am saying, just find odds that you think SS would vote someone for trolling. By definition, it would mean SS thinks androgeny is fooling around yet thinks they are mefia for that. Why would he ask people to stop "trolling" if thats how he just found a mefia?

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're asking me.
I said the post is confusing and seems weird. I don't have an explanation for why he made it, that's why I asked.

Like what do you think he's doing in that post?

- Dumber

I didn't answer that one because I didn't feel like repeating myself. 88 was rhetoric and I wasn't really asking a question

About SS's post, it doesn't matter what I think, I wanted to know what you thought

[Joey_]

I think we have some sort of communication issue, sorry about that

I voted you for this whole train of thought not making much sense to me but my other head has explained what he thinks you were trying to say and that makes a lot more sense now.

I do think that the 'trolling' and 'vote' were linked together tho, but i think you're saying you viewed them as separate statements that did not necessarily have much to do with each other (even though they were in the same post) and wanted to know why I viewed them as being linked? Is that what you were going for?

UNVOTE:

- Dumber

Exactly

[Joey_]

Joey_, why did you immediately believe their claim, yet you questioned D&D on why they thought SS was voting androgybee for trolling? You did say overthinking is your brand.

My first post

Post restriction was implied in the mod post so I am inclined to take it as cash

I guess reading isn't your brand

[Joey_]

Joey_, why did you immediately believe their claim, yet you questioned D&D on why they thought SS was voting androgybee for trolling? You did say overthinking is your brand.

My first post

Post restriction was implied in the mod post so I am inclined to take it as cash

I guess reading isn't your brand

It's not that I can't read, but comprehension isn't a strong suit of mine, apparently. Specifically, I can't comprehend how that answers the question. You take their claim at face value, no questions asked, because the mod colours the word, but you do question D&D how they could have read "VOTE: , [statement]" as the statement being reasoning for the vote.

Hm no, the mod heavily implied at post restriction beyond just “mod colour the name”

And those two things are unrelated. I can never make sure what is andreogeny’s pm, so somewhere I need to make an informed leap of faith to either take it or reject it. Me questionning the troll comment is about thought process and scumhunting where everything is on the table for me to poke at

[Joey_]

I understand that you are uneasy with the apparent incoherence between taking the claim easily while pushing on an “innocent” comment. But I assure you, there ‘s isn’t any incoherence

[Joey_]

If you want another explanation; you can either accept or deny objective infos (claim) but trying to understand motivations behind a post a the thought process is much more complex than a yes/no question and it is where i tend to overthink stuff

[Joey_]

@alligator It’s pretty easy to understand; a question needs context, intent and is an interaction. A harsclaim negative utility page 1 has no context, no interactions etc regardless of the post themselves. It’s annoying when people uses your words to make a case then disregards your other words because it doesn’t validates their prior idea/read w/e

I know myself better than you do so arguing how/when/how I should overthink and how/when/how I shouldn’t is pointless

[Joey_]

(●ↀωↀ●) something_smart is obvious town for 114.

(๑ↀᆺↀ๑) Porkens is also town for his interpretation of the claim, thinking Radical Rat was trying to avoid getting corruption lowered and being suspicious of it.

(^・ω・^ ) androgybee probably town? Banana town, I guess. Radical Rat probably town for reasons stated in response to claim.


୧(๑•̀ᗝ•́)૭ Mafia: Dumb and Dumber, Norwee, redtea


(ﾉ^ヮ^)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧ Easy game, people~

ヾ(・ω・*) i like your reads, though the porkens one doesnt make much sense to me... any thoughts on joey? i feel like theyve still had some of the juiciest content.

~Natdia

Juicy how

[Joey_]

@catboi what do you think of your own ISO, objectively ?

[Joey_]

Also I hope you know for a fact you can’t call yourself Catboi if you don’t tr me

[Joey_]

@catboi what do you think of your own ISO, objectively ?

(・_・ヾ I don't care. Why would I? If someone has a problem with my posts I can answer for it, but I'm not playing for optics right now.

Idk, I am just asking stupid questions, tryin’ to generate content and get serious votes

[Joey_]

I have 3 lock town so far and its a secret town village, only I knows

[Joey_]

VOTE: redtea

[Joey_]

In somewhat order

NEE was obvious town pre page 5 and has been absurdly screaming town for the last 2 pages straight, every single post

Catboi ISO and overall content sucked ass until he started posting for real. I had a mirror read with them and their reactions to my post was excellent. He also towntold in a recent post by showing a very strong t pov (irrc; anyways I remember how I felt when I read his post)

Charmander is also pretty blatant and open town, there’s isn’t an ounce of malice in his posts and there’s no way someone first game in 5 years could fool me with a tone this good as mefia (inb4)

Something smart also towntold very early in the game, including his reaction when he started posting after the dumb/joey convo. I am just a bit more paranoid here because the towntells were more “Classic” and tone is not as good as NEE/Catboi/Charmander.

Radical is also probably town for Occam razor and his reaction to his crumb being outed

NMD Occam says town, tone says town. Lack of content, good vote on red

Starbucks???


Porkens/Alligator/Dumb/redtea are my S pool for today

Pick and choose; bad content and/or bad tone and/or incoherence and/or opportunism

[Joey_]

And androgee hm, i forgot because I don’t know. Most likely town because srs me (nat)?I will have to reread bee

[Joey_]

Also, to be clear. I am 100% on NEE being town. Last game I played (over a year ago) I second guessed my scumread on him as mefia only because of a “too bad to be scum” case. In this game, NEE has not only posted great posts tone-wise, but consistently so. The difference in tone quality is better explained by a different alignement than NEE developping and absurdly great scum tone in a single year

[Joey_]

My post was never intended as a comprehensive solve,

Actually. You did specifically say: "EASY GAME PEOPLE LELELELE" which made me believe that was your final game solve.

(,,Ծ‸Ծ,, ) And you took a page 8 post as a serious gamesolve because...?

Because i just played a game with someone that fucking hard tunneled me from page 2 and literally called me/another guy the scum team and i had to fight their bone headed tunnel for 10 pages before i got lynched and flipped town. Sorry if you're different, i get kind of twitchy when i see myself included in scum reads early.

Any of red/porkens/alligator/dumb/star or anyone having a bad ISO then posting a single post of this quality would make lock town then until lylo. And it is not the only quality post from NEE

[Joey_]

My post was never intended as a comprehensive solve,

Actually. You did specifically say: "EASY GAME PEOPLE LELELELE" which made me believe that was your final game solve.

(,,Ծ‸Ծ,, ) And you took a page 8 post as a serious gamesolve because...?

Because i just played a game with someone that fucking hard tunneled me from page 2 and literally called me/another guy the scum team and i had to fight their bone headed tunnel for 10 pages before i got lynched and flipped town. Sorry if you're different, i get kind of twitchy when i see myself included in scum reads early.

Hmm. This kinda comes off as an over-explanation to an overreaction tbh. Are you always this self aware?

Its genuine frustration you read and Its extremely obvious this is not a post meant to better his ingalme slot, he’s just getting this off his chest.

[Joey_]

I have 3 lock town so far and its a secret town village, only I knows

We are 4 days in and I've yet to see you place a vote. Any reason why?

Redtea also hasn't placed a non-RVS vote

Rvs is stupid, i vote mafia

[Joey_]

Open question: @charmander
do you feel cheap for scum that I townread you correctly with bad infos or feel cheap for me because I incorrectly townread you?

I have been townread exclusively for bad reasons this game and I haven’t had the herat to plant a seed of doubt in my fans when the consequence (being townread) is exclusively good and will help me further my wincon. Could you say it’s anti-town to shoot down townreads on unprovable false premises?

Discuss

[Joey_]

Red’s post are the worse in the game so far; exclusively showing a scum pov, being almost too self-aware, apologetic, not inquisitive by answering for the person hes asking/talking to. He sounds like a monologue and NEE “What’s a joke?” Is more towny to me than red’s 3 last wall. It says a lot

[Joey_]

Open question: @charmander
do you feel cheap for scum that I townread you correctly with bad infos or feel cheap for me because I incorrectly townread you?

I have been townread exclusively for bad reasons this game and I haven’t had the herat to plant a seed of doubt in my fans when the consequence (being townread) is exclusively good and will help me further my wincon. Could you say it’s anti-town to shoot down townreads on unprovable false premises?

Discuss

Its easier as scum to coast on general townreads (you + others) than it is to point out a flawed townread like that. Maybe you point out later in the game that it appeared that I was coasting on surface level reads. I'd rather be transparent.

Do you think you are a better as town or mefia? Do you prefer to play scum or town?

[Joey_]

Alright charizard, Ill play ball with your transparency. Can you link me your 2-3 recent last games including a mefia one pliz

[Joey_]

@Charmander;

To be absolutely honest; i randomized your 4 linked games because I wanted to be objective while assessing your tone. I knew you were scum 1/4 of the linked game.
The very first game i reviewed, i checked a random page in the middle of the thread and I read 4 posts with about 5 words per posts and I was already convinced that was your scum game; i was correct.

I vet you, you're town this game & welcome to the town village

[Joey_]

Hm actually nvm that was the jester game I guess, will read the other one

[Joey_]

Whos jester king? I understand third party/scum tone is different tho

[Joey_]

It was like page 50+ so I guess you were already converted by then

[Joey_]

I skimmed both your scum and town games, I am less certain but I am still very confident you're town.

What do you think of porkens/red/alligator?

[Joey_]

Like I don't have a scum read on the alligator

There's literally nothing there to read either way. How can you town read them?

I liked the post on Joey felt more like solving then wolf making comments.
Like it was kinda observant I guess, shows he was pinged by Joey and either double checked his ISO or put his posts into his memory to make that kind of connection.

He is definitely well above average as far as 4 posters are concerned.

~Bee

I disagree, their posts are very easy for scum to make. All they've done is narrate the game or ask easy questions, without coming to any visible conclusions. Obviously it's a short ISO, so they could improve later if and when they decide to post again. But townreading them off of what i've seen so far doesn't make much sense to me.

I agree with NEE overall that I disagree with Bee. But bee's listed reasons are fine imo

[Joey_]

@Red; can you tell me where your head's at regarding the game? I still feel your slot has the worse content by far so gimme some content

[Joey_]

Also to add to DD's 334;

this line ''Joey_, why did you immediately believe their claim, yet you questioned D&D on why they thought SS was voting androgybee for trolling? You did say overthinking is your brand.''

Alligator line is phrased in a way where it feels like he's asking a question, but it's not actually the case. If you read carefully, he already had a narrative in his mind and he doesn't actually gives a crap why I believed the claim. The reason was already stated in my very first post in the game and he said he already knew but disagreed with the answer.

If he were being genuine, h

e wouldv'e pushed on the reasons for me believing the claim which he disagreed/didn't understand

instead of asking a question he knew the answer (reason why i believed the claim) while pointing out the incoherence. Basically, he shaded me very carefully, even using my own words so he wouldn't seems to be as responsible for ''calling out'' that incoherence.

IMO, that's careful scumplay and is one of the many ways I do play scum myself. Pushing on objectively true infos is basically the safest way to play mefia


Andregee said that alligator showed in his 4 posts that he remembered interactions and made mental notes, thats actually true and I totally agree with that; I just think it's scum AI rather than town AI in this instance. Someone knowing the game content, having mental notes etc while only posting 4 times means he carefully picked&choose the content he decided to post on. And agrogee, if anything, an inverse relationship between in-game activity (post count) and how knowledgeable they are of the game's content is scum AI.

[Joey_]

Joey_, why did you immediately believe their claim, yet you questioned D&D on why they thought SS was voting androgybee for trolling? You did say overthinking is your brand.

My first post

Post restriction was implied in the mod post so I am inclined to take it as cash

I guess reading isn't your brand

It's not that I can't read, but comprehension isn't a strong suit of mine, apparently. Specifically, I can't comprehend how that answers the question. You take their claim at face value, no questions asked, because the mod colours the word, but you do question D&D how they could have read "VOTE: , [statement]" as the statement being reasoning for the vote.

Like, even if Alligator didn't ''comprehend how that answers the question'' the question

was

answered. Now that he stated he didn't think my reason was good enough for him, instead of trying to understand my thought process, he immediately mention the very same D&D stuff again in different words.

Notice how he didn't ask me anything at all in that post yet he is ''pushing me'' and is acting as if he was scumhunting. When you scumhunt, you are being inquisitive and trying to gather new informations to make a better decision about sorting the dude you're talking to. In both his posts, he proved he never had the intention to really sort me right? He's not trying to gather new informations, he just pushing his narrative

[Joey_]

VOTE: alligator

[Joey_]

I feel like they're unenthused more than I'd expect them to be, and I dislike their Jackel take.

- Dumber

What Banana said, and also, why would you not expect them to be unenthused after their gambit was shot down?

I kinda think the motivation thingy doesn't apply for an hydra slot because they said it was instigated by a single head, not both. It's very doubtful the other head would feel unenthusiastic about their other hydra head's gambit failling

[Joey_]

UNVOTE:

My 395 vote was when I was catching up, alligator hasn't posted in a while so i won't rush the lynch

Also, the alligator wagon composition seems almost too good to be true, which either means the game is solved or not at all

[Joey_]

Hey, I'm back from vacation last week and job interviews yesterday, and I've been spending most of today reading and making reads. I'll admit that I froze up a couple times when thinking about coming back and doing this, and I'm really sorry for not posting since the beginning. I'll be posting more soon, but first I'm gonna

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

and joey, like, I'm ok with you calling me alligator but please use my listed pronouns

My bad, in my head an alligator was ''a he'' by default

[Joey_]

And that guys, is why I tends to purposefully play null/bait scumreads on myself. The moment I start posting, there’s hardly anyone interacting with me/my content anymore

[Joey_]

I have been townread by littlerally all my S pool, including two who disagree with a read I said I was 100% on (NEE’s). I am aware a confidence in my alignement doesn’t translate in a confidence in the accuracy of my reads, but neither of them (and no one for that matter) engaged with my posts calling NEE claimed town

Alligator, considering your townread me, have you been trying to understand my NEE? You do realize I don’t suck as a player and hardly ever been wrong, ever, when calling someone 100% town? That is regardless if it was 5 pages or 200 pages in

[Joey_]

I want to talk about the shifts in scumreads when I posted my list; everyone’s attention went to red/alligator which is great, it’s just not normal/expected, you know? The game doesn’t work like that if town are correct on their reads. I need someone to exchange their own reads with me so I can bounce some ideas

Do you feel the gamestate I am talking about? There’s a distinct lack of resistance

[Joey_]

I mean, if alligator/red were town (as if we consider theyre scum in this game) I am assuming they would be better posters

You said you’re a secret hydra, do you have aby relevant meta? Have we ever played together?

Also, I will try to reread (yes already) and try to find more mefias and i suggest you do the same
2 unviversal trs and 2 somewhat universal srs is bad

[Joey_]

VOTE: porkens

[Joey_]

It's starting to feel very disingenuous. I said earlier that incoherence between in-game posting and game knowledge is scummy, it goes both ways.
For a lazy player, regularly posting yet not engaging the content makes it looks like ''showing up in thread'' is enough to help your wincon and no engagin the content.

Analogy: Almost looks like you are putting off homework you don't want to do because it's not due. For the analogy's sake, it's like you don't care about having good grades (correct reads, good lynches, finding mafia) but are only motivated about not being kicked out of school. If you care about the consequences of engaging the content, you would. If it was an activity issue, you wouldn't show up as much as you do

[Joey_]

In other words, coasting and playing the attrition game

[Joey_]

SS towntold twice in 4 posts

[Joey_]

bell is town

~nahdia

Im curious

[Joey_]

Honestly, if anything, nahdia is showing scum pov while reading bell in 541. Basically, she townreads bell for not acting in a way she would expect mafia to play in this game's context. Thats scum pov

[Joey_]

Bell entry to this game is imo, just okay/null

I really don't see adrogybee having a confident read on bell with this few posts where she hasn't towntold at all (neither did she scumtell tho) when she has been flip-flopping their reads all game; scumreading me then backtracking (yet never unvoting), scumreading NEE then backtracking iirc, townreading alligator then backtracking and even red ? (unsure)

The difference with DD is that he already showed very early, like pre page 5 irrc that he do tends to out one-liners townreads for few posts.

[Joey_]

Hi, catching up.

catch up 1. The bar for Norwee town is so low that he jumped into it merely by playing the game.

And that guys, is why I tends to purposefully play null/bait scumreads on myself. The moment I start posting, there’s hardly anyone interacting with me/my content anymore

Skimmed page 21. When I realized there was 2 days left and all the people I suspect have barely posted. Caught up.

Requesting prod of Starbuck, Jackal and NdMath.

Talk to me Norwee, Banana. From what I recall a stump is somebody who can't do anything, can they be mafia or only town? You've been acting like it from a tone post, but I saw that you don't like tone reads so instead I'll ask you if you could tell me what you think of RedTea, Beeboy hydra, and dumb and dumber if you don't mind?

bell is town

~nahdia

bell is town

~nahdia

Expand?

bee felt radical rat was probtown. liked that you hit the ground running with a townread that i agree with.

think scum replacing into a fairly slow gamestate would be happy to just blend in, but you seem to want to make waves which i think is towny.

~Nahdia

On a reread, it even make less sens

Primo: How would anyone replacing into a slot would know that the gamestate is fairly slow when they just got the slot 2 minutes before posting.
Do you really believe that bell would've pre-read the game before knowing her alignement? Who does that but tryhards. She wouldn't even have time to access S pt and get the heads up of anything regarding the gamestate.

I think that it itself shows a scum pov because you are implying, that overall,

people would act according to the gamestate and be opportunistic about it

. This is not the first idea thats comes in mind when you are town and welcoming a new replace-in.

Secondo: You really feels like bell 5 posts makes it feel like ''she want to make waves'' ? for someone as brazen as you to fake an hardclaim, first post about a post-restriction with flavor would think that this kind of posting is ''making waves?''

Post 1: No value, no waves here
Post 2: Lowkey a tr on NEE but it's from meta and NEE is already townread, no waves here
Post 3: Lowkey scumreads, has hardly any content value as is, goes with the grain of the majority of lurkers being in the S pools, no waves here
Post 4: Asking for prods. I am just going to say that this is extremely common, NAI as best and scummy at worst. Is that post the ''waves'' you are talking about ? lole
Post 5: Talking to 2 universals trs ish implying she trs them (no waves)
Ask about mechanics (no waves here)
Then ask the tr'd people for reads, she is even showing that she is being apologetic/passive with ''if you don't mind''.

I mean, c'mon, hardly any waves

[Joey_]

And on another reread, bell's posting is pretty bad

I will out a read list because are scumreading town

[Joey_]

@ DD

oh nvm I see it

because going against the grain and scumreading someone you believe to be widely townread is towny, so long as they are in fact town

Basically, he's thinking you are slightly townier by using his role card for his read, this is town pov (in comparison to what androgybee did)

He knows he's town

yet he's being somewhat townread by the majority of the town. Now, DD out of the blue, scumreads him. So he ask himself; Why would scum go after me when im townread? they will only be facing resistance which would be annoying/bad for them. DD is most likely town because I doubt mafia would take the time/energy to make a scumread on me here at this time of day/context/ w/e

Thats a textbook towntell, town pov is stronk

Huh
OK I forgot that I wrote that and do not currently believe you to be widely townread

- Dumber

That hardly matters, because it seems like you believed it when you formed the read.

Here, he's showing that what is important to him, is not the words used

but the intent

. Basically, he's saying that he doesn't care that you acted on wrong infos because at that time, your intent was coherent with the information you had and thus, he's saying that it doesn't make you scummy.

It means that he cares about the

thought process

while evaluating reads. Scum hardly do.


The first towntell is very strong, hardly fakable imo because it's not something scum tends to fake/think about to fake. The second could be fake, but along with the first one, it's just very rare scum are able to towntell consistently.

[Joey_]

I thought bell's Post 2 was a lowkey sr, or otherwise being skeptical of trs on him.
I see what you're saying about Post 5, but. Isn't that obvious? Is he being purposefully brazen there? This could be challenging the common trs, but my first instinct is to call such brazenness a maf-tactic.

Nah, i read is has NEE sr game is abysmal and just by being town and saying words, he'salready more towny than when he's mafia
(FTR I don't think NEE's s game is abysmal, I just read it like that)

[Joey_]

feel like im being misunderstood here, not sure if it's deliberate or not but it sure feels obtuse, and im not gonna bother trying to clarify further if you can't see it.

~nahdia

Thats a lot of words to explain why you arent going to explain something

[Joey_]

it's not that many words, actually.

Pretty sure you couldve come up with an explanation with the 20 words you used in your 2 last posts

[Joey_]

I see what you're saying about Post 5, but. Isn't that obvious? Is he being purposefully brazen there? This could be challenging the common trs, but my first instinct is to call such brazenness a maf-tactic.

Can you expand on that part, who are you talking about; Adrogybee?

[Joey_]

im really not worried with how anyone us reading our slot this game, actually. so think what you want.

Why not? if youre softing PR just for the sake of this argument its petty/scummy

[Joey_]

I thought bell's Post 2 was a lowkey sr, or otherwise being skeptical of trs on him.
I see what you're saying about Post 5, but. Isn't that obvious? Is he being purposefully brazen there? This could be challenging the common trs, but my first instinct is to call such brazenness a maf-tactic.

Nah, i read is has NEE sr game is abysmal and just by being town and saying words, he'salready more towny than when he's mafia
(FTR I don't think NEE's s game is abysmal, I just read it like that)

Oh fuck I see, I completely misunderstood it.

I see what you're saying about Post 5, but. Isn't that obvious? Is he being purposefully brazen there? This could be challenging the common trs, but my first instinct is to call such brazenness a maf-tactic.

Can you expand on that part, who are you talking about; Adrogybee?

No, it's the last post of five of bell's you quoted.

Hm, but about the brazeness, i was referring to adrogybee fake claim at game start. How could you even read my post believing I was saying bell made a fakeclaim and was brazen?

[Joey_]

im really not worried with how anyone us reading our slot this game, actually. so think what you want.

Why not? if youre softing PR just for the sake of this argument its petty/scummy

it'll make sense.

when I said "make waves" i literally just meant theyre not settling into the gamestate they noted by asking for multiple prods. they're asking questions. they're generating content that doesn't feel like just treading water.

~nahdia

C'mon, he just replaced-in. Even hard lurkers do the classic 5 post-gtfo that bell just did. Early in the game, you called me scum for asking stupid questions. Bell has hardly produced any kind of content, any. She has question but doesn't gives her own reads, no thought process, nothing of hardly any value.

Whats the difference when I was asking DD why he assumed SS scumread that other dude for trolling? Those kinds of open-ended questions are similar but you sred me for them and now think bell is town for it

[Joey_]

Joey, why do you hate being town read and not being interacted with if you post like that and have a cat avatar.

''Post like that''? I think my content is easily engage-able, i kinda can't help it though. My main site is a chat mafia; so I am used to react to everything and post a shit ton

I dislike being tred because it makes everything harder.

[Joey_]

im really not worried with how anyone us reading our slot this game, actually. so think what you want.

Why not? if youre softing PR just for the sake of this argument its petty/scummy

it'll make sense.

when I said "make waves" i literally just meant theyre not settling into the gamestate they noted by asking for multiple prods. they're asking questions. they're generating content that doesn't feel like just treading water.

~nahdia

Is that why you went with the yolo hardclaim play. Also do you know who I am? I think I assumed you knew

[Joey_]

@Bell why is red mefia

[Joey_]

Joey, why do you hate being town read and not being interacted with if you post like that and have a cat avatar.

''Post like that''? I think my content is easily engage-able, i kinda can't help it though. My main site is a chat mafia; so I am used to react to everything and post a shit ton

I dislike being tred because it makes everything harder.

That's more of an opinion than an actual fact. Just being town read is good as town because that's one less miselimination on the table.

@pedit: I mean, Tea how am I supposed to pressure you without the vote.
@Joey, I'm null reading him.

Hm, you asked for my opinion and expected fact?

[Joey_]

Why would you vote a null ? and you aren't really answering the question. It was more asking why you are voting him (assuming you believed hes mefia, you know town votes mefia to win) than assuming you would vote for a null read.

So why are you voting red the null read?

[Joey_]

VOTE: bell

Honestly bell has been scumtelling left and right since replace-in


My list ATM, no order in the sublists but the sublists are ordered:
Red towntold last page

T
NorwegianboyEE
androgybee (Hydra between Nahdia/beeboy)
Dumb and Dumber (Secret Hydra)
redtea
catboi
BananaCucho
Something_Smart

??
NDMath
Starbuck

S Pool
Bell
Jackel98
Porkens

[Joey_]

Ball room blitz looks like.

@Joey, I didn't ask. No question mark. I was just trying to reorient your view toward what is an actual plus (not getting mis-eliminated/eliminated), rather than a minus (if I'm universally town read nobody will talk to me?) I'm not even sure how you reached the conclusion that you can't interact with people while being town read.

Are you fucking me?

''why do you hate being town read and not being interacted with if you post like that and have a cat avatar''
Making a grammatical error by missing to add a question mark doesn't mean it wasn't, in fact, a question. I do see though it was phrased in a rhetoric way..

Why would you then expect facts to a question/non-question phrased in a rhetoric way?

I never said I can't interact with people while being town read, I said it makes everything harder. The game is harder, it's harder to find mafias and you die early. No one questions your shit so it's hard to find scummy people.

[Joey_]

Why would you vote a null ? and you aren't really answering the question. It was more asking why you are voting him (assuming you believed hes mefia, you know town votes mefia to win) than assuming you would vote for a null read.

So why are you voting red the null read?

Why are you intentionally oversimplifying how this game works?

Can you just fucking answer the question, jeez. You haven't produced a iota of content

[Joey_]

Actually, i think i misread the ''I was just trying to reorient your view toward what is an actual plus''

You are saying that, basically, I am asking for it right?

[Joey_]

When I see null reads I try to understand and sort them.

im really not worried with how anyone us reading our slot this game, actually. so think what you want.

Why not? if youre softing PR just for the sake of this argument its petty/scummy

it'll make sense.

when I said "make waves" i literally just meant theyre not settling into the gamestate they noted by asking for multiple prods. they're asking questions. they're generating content that doesn't feel like just treading water.

~nahdia

Is that why you went with the yolo hardclaim play. Also do you know who I am? I think I assumed you knew

yeah you're cloudkicker, right? i forget the name i knew you by before that, but i know we go back.

~nahdia

Yea

Whats does your read list looks like?

[Joey_]

and to answer your other post, i thought the question you asked earlier was literally stupid. like, a question with no possible benefit to the answer.

I just don't want to be burned later, ya know

[Joey_]

Ill do math then and come back

[Joey_]

Can you do me your math LS case

[Joey_]

This is my fault for thinking I can be coherent without quoting.
I'm referring to

Talk to me Norwee, Banana. From what I recall a stump is somebody who can't do anything, can they be mafia or only town? You've been acting like it from a tone post, but I saw that you don't like tone reads so instead I'll ask you if you could tell me what you think of RedTea, Beeboy hydra, and dumb and dumber if you don't mind?

Post 5: Talking to 2 universals trs ish implying she trs them (no waves)
Ask about mechanics (no waves here)
Then ask the tr'd people for reads, she is even showing that she is being apologetic/passive with ''if you don't mind''.

I mean, c'mon, hardly any waves

What I was saying in #554 is that immediately @'ing the main trs is a very inexperienced-maf tactic.
And... looking at Bell's join date. It is recent. I don't know if he has much prior experience.

But I was assuming experience when I made the post. It was weird to me that he'd do such a brazenly maf-looking thing; since it is such, one then might assume

he'd be aware of that

, and is making either a gutsy move as maf or intends to challenge the status quo, but will start out doing so by requesting fresh input.
My first instinct is to go with the former.

Basically: maf using such an inexperienced maf tactic in order to lead others to think no maf-aligned player would seriously do that. That's what my post was trying to say.

He seems super serious and wooden like he can't move away from a town script.

I agree but that being your strongest scumread is odd

[Joey_]

^612 didn't mean to quote redtea there

@Red tea: You assumed a wifom play, we totally misunderstood each-others

[Joey_]

Nat, i read math

I think he has bad lines and some good one. It could go both ways because he has so few posts. I don't really think he's that good of an associative flip tho, but that never stopped me roping people before so If you can make me see it, ill vote

[Joey_]

VOTE: porkens

Gamestate tells me this is scum.
For that weak of a slot and having barely anyone talk about them is a gamestate tell. Normally, scums will push this kind of weak town players but will gladly not draw attention to them if scum

I know I have been voting everywhere but people has been scumtelling hard then towntelling almost everytime so shrugs

[Joey_]

@ the rand thingy with SS?

He meant it as better than the randomly generated distribution odds of alignement.

Like mafia is what, 2/7 and town 5/7 in most games? So to be town, you need to be the odds aka your gameplay makes you more likely than 5/7 that you are town or 2/7 that you are scum

[Joey_]

You can ISO them both then ctr+F the words you want

To iso someone, you click [ISO] on any of their post, right to the post number #XXX in red

[Joey_]

Nat, i read math

I think he has bad lines and some good one. It could go both ways because he has so few posts. I don't really think he's that good of an associative flip tho, but that never stopped me roping people before so If you can make me see it, ill vote

did you have a reaction to 226? I got massive scumpings off of it. felt like such a transparently bullshit read. easy to see and concrete foundation but entirely surface level and not actually based on anything AI. like, it can just be a Bad Read but the way they gave it makes me feel like it's just scum trying to out a quick read so they can point to content theyve had right from the start.

~Nahdia (for anyone that's confused, some people in this game call me Nat because that's like, my actual name).

Actually? This was one of his better posts, felt too bad/simple to comes from mafia. What makes me unsure is how quickly he outed that tr on me for that bad of a reason. Part of me thinks its more likely to come from town

[Joey_]

Like, he was being questionnes but didn’t feel like be neesed to overexplain himself, he didn’t feel anxious/endangered by ma question? Idk i feel scum would take this opportunity to really hit the ball home

[Joey_]

Basically, he's thinking you are slightly townier by using his role card for his read, this is town pov (in comparison to what androgybee did)

He knows he's town

yet he's being somewhat townread by the majority of the town. Now, DD out of the blue, scumreads him. So he ask himself; Why would scum go after me when im townread? they will only be facing resistance which would be annoying/bad for them. DD is most likely town because I doubt mafia would take the time/energy to make a scumread on me here at this time of day/context/ w/e

This is such an easy thing to fake tho, I do it as scum all the time?
It's a really easy way to low-key imply that you're approaching things from a town POV, so I sprinkle statements like that in to elicit the exact reaction that you're giving

- Dumber

Possibly, but the I felt he had the same though process for a few posts in succession and how it was worded, wasn’t to attract the attention on his “towntell”

Keep in mind, technically everything can be faked, whats makes the difference then? Context, how experienced the player is, consistency etc

[Joey_]

Btw Jackel, you really need to clarify where Joey went wrong in TRing me if i'm supposed to take your read of town!Joey seriously. Do you think Joey is a bad player than is town but cannot read me as well as you can? What are your thoughts regarding this?

I can think someone is town while also hating their reads and how obtusely and self-assuredly they word everything.

໒( ⇀ ‸ ↼ )७ This is probably just scum, right?

Why?

[Joey_]

I know it’s an unpopular proposition in this game and on mafiascum in general, but flipping a low activity player like porkens who hasn’t been mentionned can actually gives a lot of associative infos.

Porkens was mentionned a few instances in this game by few people, especially when he was being compared to the alligator/red scum pool. I think it would be relatively easy to see all the slots who actively avoided the porkens issue

[Joey_]

@nat can you link me SS s gamr you were talking about, am lazy

[Joey_]

Thx.

@ What do you think of porkens? Do you feel his lack of motivation was AI

[Joey_]

Why do you think they're trolling?
Or, perhaps said in another way, why are you voting them?

The vote is just to indicate my distaste that they made me legitimately stress about what they said until I decided to ask Dunn if such a thing was possible and he said no.

@Nat I skimmed SS scum game, and honestly i think it’s very different. The post I higlighted to me is one of the better exemple of that.

This game; I do agree that he feels reactive, but I feels like he’s almost always caught by people questionning him and not knowing too much what to say, then just word vomit their thoughts. He also adds random reads in his answers

Scum game; He also was reactive, but I noticed he always

had something to say

, it’s much more structured and almost always push a narrative. I also haven’t seen as much random reads threwn in


This was just a skkim, but try reading both game with what I said in mind and come back

[Joey_]

Why do you think they're trolling?
Or, perhaps said in another way, why are you voting them?

The vote is just to indicate my distaste that they made me legitimately stress about what they said until I decided to ask Dunn if such a thing was possible and he said no.

@Nat I skimmed SS scum game, and honestly i think it’s very different. The post I higlighted to me is one of the better exemple of that.

This game; I do agree that he feels reactive, but I feels like he’s almost always caught by people questionning him and not knowing too much what to say, then just word vomit their thoughts. He also adds random reads in his answers

Scum game; He also was reactive, but I noticed he always

had something to say

, it’s much more structured and almost always push a narrative. I also haven’t seen as much random reads threwn in


This was just a skkim, but try reading both game with what I said in mind and come back

[Joey_]

I know it’s an unpopular proposition in this game and on mafiascum in general, but flipping a low activity player like porkens who hasn’t been mentionned can actually gives a lot of associative infos.

Porkens was mentionned a few instances in this game by few people, especially when he was being compared to the alligator/red scum pool. I think it would be relatively easy to see all the slots who actively avoided the porkens issue

Is there a reason why you'd want Porkens over NDMath? Also, wouldn't it be hard to tell who actively avoided Porkens and who just forgot that they existed?

Here's another question for you: why your TR on Norwee? Is it only the reasons listed in posts 243–247?

I want porkens over math because i think hes more likely to flip mefia, i an a simple man

About porkens, yes it might ne not easy, associatives are rarely easy anyways. I am not gonna lie either, it’s an after/the/fact justification because I want to flip porkens, regardless of the possibilities of associatives

If my only stated reason to tr NEE is that he towntold into oblivion? Yes alligator, it’s my only reason

[Joey_]

I want porkens over math because i think hes more likely to flip mefia, i an a simple man

About porkens, yes it might ne not easy, associatives are rarely easy anyways. I am not gonna lie either, it’s an after/the/fact justification because I want to flip porkens, regardless of the possibilities of associatives

If my only stated reason to tr NEE is that he towntold into oblivion? Yes alligator, it’s my only reason

I'm rusty, and being told he towntold doesn't really help me if you don't elaborate. Like, I just wanted to verify that your whole reasoning is meta and "great posts", since I couldn't find anything else.

I am on my cell phone and I am going to work. Remind me to show you the game I used meta to sort NEE

[Joey_]

Joey, the gist of your scumread on Porkens is because you think gamestate suggests it right?
Because he's useless but nobody was pointing it out?

Yes
Especially in comparison of you being obv town and still suspected by half the town

[Joey_]

@Joey It clearly says "he" as the preferred pronoun for Bell. You're using "she" to describe them because I think you're looking at their av and assuming. Just wanted to point that out.

I really don't have any fresh perspectives besides being first vote on redtea, because my reads line up with 'town consensus' a lot right now.

Such as?

im really not worried with how anyone us reading our slot this game, actually. so think what you want.

Why not? if youre softing PR just for the sake of this argument its petty/scummy

Agreed. That's a weird statement.

they're generating content that doesn't feel like just treading water.

Still, though, 5 one-to-two liners doesn't equate to "generating content." I mean, I've replaced into games and have gotten told that I haven't done enough when I post more than 1 or 2 lines and really work on being thorough and understanding the game state. I think you're giving praise over something that isn't really praiseworthy, and I'm not quite sure why that's happening.

starbuck is more of a PoE thing but the redtea votes are starting to have a hint of opportunism to them

The more that redtea has posted (as I'm reading and catching up), the less confident that I'm feeling in him as scum. I'm willing to stick him back towards my null pile for now.



Also, I typically hate meta talk because it just ends up being a huge rabbit hole, but I appreciate the simple/to the point questions getting answered without it taking away from the game state.

I can think someone is town while also hating their reads and how obtusely and self-assuredly they word everything.

+1. I agree with this. You can separate the difference between someone's tone/whether or not they are genuine from what could be considered shitty reads.

I normally struggle to get a good scum read, and am very prone to mislynch because I'm prone to tunnel onto things

+1. I know this pain.

I know it’s an unpopular proposition in this game and on mafiascum in general, but flipping a low activity player like porkens who hasn’t been mentionned can actually gives a lot of associative infos.

If we were like Day 3 or 4, without other options, I could see pushing this. Day 1, it's policy/opportunism at his finest, especially with being V/LA. I just don't like this tactic and find it pretty scummy.

Also, wouldn't it be hard to tell who actively avoided Porkens and who just forgot that they existed?

I actually forgot he was here.

@ i used to play mafia with a bell girl, I assumed soz, I am the worst for that

[Joey_]

For what is worth, I don’t townread NMD but he’s not scummy either. Gun to my head id say he’s town, shrugs

His reaction is okay, nothing fancy but id say maybe above average for a relatively new player. I also think it’s not a grest lynch because NMD as mafia wouldn’t be scary and would be poe’d pretty quickly. It think porkens will just get replaced in and no one will want to flip him and/or as scum finds a reason in the replace-in content’s to not want to lynch them (because
Porkens rn is undefendable)

And yes it’s opportunistic and sometimes its what town needs to lynch mefias

[Joey_]

And to be fair, porkens had plenty of time to post content. It’s not opportunistic in the way that he didnt had time, but in the way that i wouldnt really prefer to wait for the replacement

[Joey_]

Your desperation to flip someone who is on VLA is pathetic and obvious. I’ll be back on Saturday.

I am desperate, really?

You slot is hot trash as far as i am concerned and it has everything to do with you refusing to produce content
I made my point before you left for VlA and being away doesn’t invalidate anything you have and haven’t done. Being vla doenst make yu magically invulnerable nor a desperate lynch option

[Joey_]

Yeah - I don't have a clue. I'll put something together tomorrow

As in I don't have any reads because I haven't even skimmed everything yet.

Only have time for pot shots right now. Hopefully tonight.

I’m not gunna be able to get to this today. Apologies.

Your desperation to flip someone who is on VLA is pathetic and obvious. I’ll be back on Saturday.

[Joey_]

Ftr, yes it wasn’t that long ago, it was 3-4 days ago yet half the game has been made in the recent days and you were posting regulary, making promises every day and no one ever mentionned any of your falses promises

If youre town, just admit you haven’t given shit to this game

[Joey_]

But i think i caught me sum dirty mefia. If you were town, youd know you fucked up and hopefully not shade me for it

[Joey_]

Also, you took the time to tell everyone in 485 that you wouldn’t have time to respect your promises, but you couldn’t mention you were VLA? I didn’t even know you were, i just assume you were flaking or dodging the thread

[Joey_]

Ftr, yes it wasn’t that long ago, it was 3-4 days ago yet half the game has been made in the recent days and you were posting regulary, making promises every day and no one ever mentionned any of your falses promises

If youre town, just admit you haven’t given shit to this game

Hm, I realized all quoted posts beaides the last on was made in the same 24h, so i retract part of this post

Still scum reaction tho

[Joey_]

IMO the game was finished once bell fliped; everything was planned so he would endgame town so it's extremely unlucky.
That being said, starbuck was scum from PoE.

@Starbuck I think you were just not in a great position to perform in-game and outside of the game. Your partners most likely expected an early flip from your slot and posturized accordingly. In your position, I might've resigned with bell flip but you kept playing so respect and props for that.

[Joey_]

And GG Joey.
I knew we’d win with you on our side.

Great game NN
You were an asset and an open book; attracting a lot of attention to yourself made it easy to see the alignement of the people who you would interact with. Both you and charmander were also reasonable which made an early towncore possible and snowballed scum into a corner.

Props to bell for the replace-in; I think you put yourself in an good position but ultimately, got unlucky.