One Night Stand [Game Over]

[Hopkirk]

I love you, so very much.

hi Albert hi Pooky hi Kanna hi Infinity hi Nahdia hi Ali hi Hop hi clidd

hii everybody!! (´･ω･`)

VOTE: Jesse

Welcome back. I'll need to you obvtown real fast or I'll have to do the whole buddy cop thing with someone else.

[Hopkirk]

Personally I'm looking forward to the dancing phase. Last game I was in I didn't think there'd be a dancing phase but everyone else seemed to think there's be a dancing phase and there DID end up being a dancing phase. This time I'd like to get in on the action early, so @Kanna - want to dance?

VOTE: Kanna

[Hopkirk]

Maybe i should play this game as an 'in spirit' hydra of a bunch of people who didn't get a chance to play.

- Hopkirk

Thanks Hop, that really meas a lot. Remind me next time we're on an abandoned oil tanker so I can pay you back. Actually this game is basically an abandoned oil tanker so what the heck, Ahsoka is a solid cuttlefish-lean to me right now.

-Hectic

Hopkirk why are you imporsonating people again? We've talked about this...

-Isis

Wait, why didn't we make this seven separate posts?

-Noraa

hi Albert hi Pooky hi Kanna hi Infinity hi Nahdia hi Ali hi Hop hi clidd

hii everybody!! (´･ω･`)

-Morning Tweet

[Hopkirk]

damn, this game has been really inactive in the 8 minute period i had dedicated to posting. I think i'll go to sleep and see if it gets better in the morning.

[Hopkirk]

@Kanna - hm, i was thinking a dance battle so kinda both tbh. You in?

Alisae prob town

woah that's a bit too easy VOTE: Infinity

The Sky Muse

I walk outside into the frigid night,

The wind sends shivers into my bones,

My tears freeze in the air as they drop,

Ten thousand stars shining in the night sky,

I wait for my lover by the Frozen Lake.

Who knows where love goes when the Moon hides?

Where will I find my soulmate?

I beg you, please, be mine, be mine.

I set you up with 'I'm going to sleep now' and everything there, you aren't going to night tunnel me? Pretty sus...

[Hopkirk]

feeling cute might delete later

Cuteness tells are the best tells. Everyone who's ever said I'm not cute OR doubted the cuteness tells has flipped scum. I think it's at 4/4 so far.

Look I have a pretty isis sig quote too

That's kind of stalkery. Does Isis like having stalkers?

honestly it says a lot about you as a person tbh

Why are you tryharding on this joke so much? Serious question.

oh dear, kanna has stolen the hearts of at least half the playerlist. where does she even find the room to keep all of them ??

Can you at least simp a bit or something? Smh.

[Hopkirk]

I had a dream last night where Hectic put me in a neighbourhood, said some stuff about what people could do and why he thought it was an interesting hood, then realized he'd confirmed a couple of the people in the hood as town.

-Hopkirk

Can you not tell people about me invading your dreams Hop... Anyone who doesn't practice lucid dreaming to improve their scumhunting for this game is getting read as hard lawnmower.

-Hectic

i think green is icky, i'd probably use something like this

-Morning Tweet

All of your mothers are terrible people. Hey Jesse, fuck you. Come at me. I'll fucking end you m8. 1v1 me fam.

-Flopz

[Hopkirk]

I can already tell you're not going to like us ABR

-Hopkirk

If you want I could vote you first so that he's the one omgusing. That's be a real wifom move and it'd GeorgeBailey the heck out of them. I've already got my FOS on the trigger.

-Hectic

Let's leave it for now.

-Hopkirk

Fine. But I'm not happy about it. What's the point in even having this finger?

-Hectic

I've been asking you that for months. It's really weird that you still have that finger after five months.

-Hopkirk


Hectic let out an irritated sigh. 'Fine, but this hydra is switching to dialogue based from now on.'

Hopkirk considered his options for a moment before nodding in agreement.

'I still think we should be at like 30 or 54 posts by now.' Noraa chimed in. 'It's like you guys aren't even a tsunami.'

'I don't have time to make that many posts.' Hopkirk said. 'I'm only like 90% sure this posting style is even allowed. Untold Tripod could be after us already.'

Flopz began to sweat nervous. 'Yeah, and it'd be... haha... pretty terrible if one of us was feeding him information wouldn't it.'

Everyone turned to look at Flopz. Hopkirk narrowed his eyes. Hectic narrowed his eyes.

'Can you quit narrowing my eyes, I like seeing things.' Flopz protested, his eyes now shut.

'I'm revoking your eye privileges until we're sure you're not a traitor.' Hectic explained.

'Good memes.' Flopz chucked to himself.

'These didn't all need to be one post.' Noraa continued to sulk. We could have passed a hundred easily now. What's wrong with the thirty of you?'

Miso shook his head angrily and advanced menacingly towards infinity. He didn't have time for this silliness. Not when there was scum to find.

[Hopkirk]

sorry was too busy crossing up some 3 year olds during a pickup game

so am i conf town yet

'Ooh, if you ever get confirmed as town you can join my

hydra

.' Hopkirk offered.
'

Our

hydra comrade Hopkirk.' Schadd corrected him.
'Sorry,

our hydra

. My bad.' Hopkirk said.
'

Our bad

.' Hectic sighed.

[Hopkirk]

you made a whole lot of posts (like 3-4) there for one joke that didn't even land

[Hopkirk]

can you spam shitpost in this thread a bit more too?

[Hopkirk]

i'll help you out with this meta-shitpost

[Hopkirk]

shitpost or i'll vote infinity a second time

[Hopkirk]

ok, you frickin' asked for it

VOTE: Infinity

[Hopkirk]

now shitpost or i'll do it a THIRD time

[Hopkirk]

'Wait i'm obvtowning too much, i should do a quick scumslip so i don't get nightkilled.' Hopkirk said.
'Why are you so scared about getting nightkilled?' Hectic raised an eyebrow. 'I thought only scum cared about that.'
'Nice one.'
'Thanks, now about that game. Idk about you but i'm reading Alisae as a 100% cherry-orchard right now.'

[Hopkirk]

Dam

i'm good

you're good

i know every aspect of this game

you know every aspect of this game

dam

[Hopkirk]

Game's boring, wagon me so I can catch the scum who vote me and the ones that don't.

Hey pick someone to tunnel yourself. Why are you so afraid to start a tunnel on someone random of your choice like for example morning tweet?

Why u even asking us?!?

[Hopkirk]

That's a lot of words to use to say you're afraid of me.

Anyone who uses the word blatnat is scummy.

Come at me.

[Hopkirk]

I will devour you.

[Hopkirk]

Thats hipkork to you.

Come on ahsoka. Point out the fakeness. I'm calling you out on this. Show me your pathetic words so that I may use them to evicerate you.

[Hopkirk]

Off you say?

[Hopkirk]

Ah, I thought you might be refering to the spewing of molten rage that I do when anyone dares suspect me. I'm not angry with Ahsoka yet, but they should still be made of fear.

Now why are you on my leg instead of on infinity soldier?

[Hopkirk]

I will be getting drunk and playing video mafia later. If I really need to come online and spew drunk-rage to obvtown later then I will, but I'm going to need people to sus me for some bad reasons to build up to it first.

[Hopkirk]

I will devour you.

You will not.

Right, you asked for it, I'm going to

in

-devour you. You'll be wishing for an easy devouring after that.

Game's boring, wagon me so I can catch the scum who vote me and the ones that don't.

Hey pick someone to tunnel yourself. Why are you so afraid to start a tunnel on someone random of your choice like for example morning tweet?

Why u even asking us?!?

This is the fakeness.

Who said I was afraid?

This is a question I asked that you ignored.

Yes, nobody actually uses '?!?' seriously, same for 'u' but less so. That's a tonal decision to mock what you're saying because I don't massively like it. The phrasing may sound fake because it's not natural speaking, especially if you learnt Australian before English.

'Who said I was afraid ) is clearly a rhetoric question. How reachy are you trying to get here? U gonna pretend you wanted an answer there, or are you going to pretend scum are less likely to answer it?

[Hopkirk]

Ah, I thought you might be refering to the spewing of molten rage that I do when anyone dares suspect me. I'm not angry with Ahsoka yet, but they should still be made of fear.

Now why are you on my leg instead of on infinity soldier?

Why should I fear you? The only thing that will happen is if you are scum here, then you pushing me will allow me to see where you and your scummates will be positioning themselves.

I can handle a molten rage; I have the force and two white light sabers.

You're forgetting what'll happen if I'm a third party that wins when there's a non-lethal. Checkmate jedi.

You should fear all of your little scum-schoolmates blaming you do their fiery demise after we destroy you and all you hold dear.

Hopkirk is now trying to threaten a push on me because I pointed out their post seemed fake when it was merely a noting of my first scum ping. 1 scum ping, and you seem to be getting overdefensive over it.

Also "I'm basically just trying to force people to take some type of action so I can read them." by me, is going to hold up very well.

Push? I'm going to deathtunnel you so hard you end up ALIVE at the end of it.

[Hopkirk]

Come on ahsoka. Point out the fakeness. I'm calling you out on this. Show me your pathetic words so that I may use them to evicerate you.

Look at the choice of words here; they specifically chose to say they were calling me out. In actuality, I called them out on being fake. Them asking me to point out the fakeness when they only had 1 post there I was referring to, alongside turning the "Calling out" is another scum ping.

Nah. Bad posting.

I'm just seeing how you respond to whatever. I'm not putting too much thought into what I'm saying, moreso watching how you respond and twist things. It's page 4.

Oh don't try to act like your little worthless defensiveness is a joke. That won't save you

[Hopkirk]

I actually left the jedi order, so I am no longer scum.

Noting of Hopkirk trying to lighthearted their way out of this fight.

To make my sixth post in this exchange, one I've been driving and started, how about you stick to something resembling a real narrative

[Hopkirk]

Save me from what?

Wanna see a trick?

VOTE: Hopkirk

Now he has to either sit there with my vote on him, or OMGUS me back. Either way, both will be telling.

nah, i have an actual read that i'm following. either sheep me or you don't really matter

I actually left the jedi order, so I am no longer scum.

Noting of Hopkirk trying to lighthearted their way out of this fight.

To make my sixth post in this exchange, one I've been driving and started, how about you stick to something resembling a real narrative

Nah, I don't need to. I'm not scum.

I'll do things on my own time, as I did here.

you're saying that you're not scum a lot for someone

claiming

to be a third party gunsmith

Ahsoka tried to make a smart little comment and thought 'nobody's going to take that seriously' and is now facing the blue flaming hand of death lightly but still kind of threateningly massaging their shoulders.

[Hopkirk]

I may stay awake a bit to watch but I’m going to sleep
should be interesting to see how the game develops

the game's developing?

[Hopkirk]

i just wanted to start a toxic 1v1 then start calling the other person a terrible person. i did forget there's a rule discouraging that now so if anyone wants in on a toxic 2v1 then lmk

[Hopkirk]

Full disclosure, I'm Flavor Leaf, so that post is absolutely not going to work.

wow, you're so afraid of me that you're revealing a 'secret' alt 5 minutes into the game just because you hope you rep has any chance of saving you? i'm going to enjoy watching you squeal

[Hopkirk]

I'm not secret.

secret to anyone who doesn't care about the randos enough to check if they've ego posted a bunch in their other games.

the only alt i care about are hectic's and i guess maybe mine if i ever use any

I may stay awake a bit to watch but I’m going to sleep
should be interesting to see how the game develops

the game's developing?

yes you’re doing a good job now go play your part like the actor you are
These players need to start being more proactive anyways and ur doing a good part in doing just that

*stands on tall object that might be in the sniper's line of fire* 'you couldn't hit the left side of Flopz's gran's handbag'.

[Hopkirk]

I'm in 4 games on this account. It's already been outed. Some players in this game already know.

I'm just here to point out the poor discrediting you're doing.

You're doing it in a manner where you can back off and easily defend as joking, shit posting, but you're trying to gain control over the game in an extreme lighthearted way, but you are pushing an agenda.

You're trying to get people to vote Infinity, correct?

My discrediting is serious business and top quality. I will devour anyone who says otherwise

that's a lot of words that don't really mean anything

not especially no? that should be fairly obvious to anyone who understand the game starts in a low information state

[Hopkirk]

*and can read tone+motivation well

[Hopkirk]

I don't care about secret, I'm playtesting some new playstyles is all.

I believe Hopkirk is doing a "charm the game" scum play right now. It's not too bad, but it's incredibly scum motivated. Page 5, I don't have a clear enough case, and he knows it, but I'm happy pushing this for a bit, see if he digs himself into a deeper hole.

Regardless, watching him play in a block cell will be interesting to see what happens around us, rather than between us.

you might want to use secret alts if that's what you want, rather than running back to the poor little daddy i'm-flavour-leaf defense the moment you're set ablaze and ended.

my motivation is pure as a Pookythemagicalbear replica and we all know it. some us just don't have the gallbladers to face it.

that's a lot of words that don't really mean anything

eh, they do. Guess you just can't understand it.

you might want to reread it and see if you typed what you thought you did before you embarrass yourself anymore than you already have

[Hopkirk]

If anything, I feel that's the sentence that meant the most out of everything I've said.

Let's break it down a little more then shall we.

You're doing it in a manner where you can back off and easily defend as joking, shit posting, but you're trying to gain control over the game in an extreme lighthearted way, but

you are pushing an agend

a.

have you played with me? most people have. either you're unaware of that, or you think nobody can recognise my style is heavily shit posty early game.
control the game? nothing's happening. there's no targeted control attempts, its pure shitposting for reactions, which works most games.
lighthearted? i've literally said i'll pull out your heart

seventeen times

in the last half hour.

but this is the bit i've got a direct issue with because you're saying i'm 'pushing an agenda' and in a later post (why i'm making this one btw) that you're going to 'enjoy watching to see what happens' instead of the smart move of

actually just watching

. the fact that you're telling me that means that either your push is in bad faith (scum indicative) or that you don't SR me and are just voting to see what happens/how i react (town indicative). I'd lean towards the second one, but it's so clumbsy and obvious in how you're doing it that it lacks the finesse for me to fully buy it yet. I'm going to need a whole lot more than that to save your sorry calves.

[Hopkirk]

rather than running back to the poor little daddy i'm-flavour-leaf

I am daddy.

'oh please rep, please save me from the scary Hopkirk'

Hey Jesse, fuck you. Come at me. I'll fucking end you m8. 1v1 me fam.

It's unfortunate but I'm already taken ... You'll have to find someone else to flirt with.

ok, then get involved with the ongoing flirt-fight we've got going.

Hopkirk is "trying to 1v1" but he's essentially just shit posting in his "1v1".

My vote is not RVS, as I don't participate generally in RVS, if that wasn't clear.

I'm not like confident he's scum or anything, but it's the correct path to pursue right now.

ha, i'm not letting you back down that easily.
this is a toxic 1v1 mate, its not ending until i say it is.

[Hopkirk]

Spicy take: Alisae is scum.

that's not especially spicy?

[Hopkirk]

Sorry kiddos this 1v1 is boring me. Let's see if some cheesy popcorn can fix it.

get involved in this or get out of the dogone saloon

I'm just here to point out the poor discrediting you're doing.

You're doing it in a manner where you can back off and easily defend as joking, shit posting, but you're trying to gain control over the game in an extreme lighthearted way, but you are pushing an agenda.

Are you trying to play red? Is this what this alt is all about?

Like, ur accusing him of discrediting you in the manner that you’re suggesting, but like, wouldn’t it be better to see if he tried to commit to that play first?

Alisae's town.

Nah, he got psyched out thinking he was going after a newbie.

This is also less about Hopkirk than it appears.

it's like they don't know why we're doing this

[Hopkirk]

Spicy take: Alisae is scum.

that's not especially spicy?

Fine, add some more to it.
Spicy take: Alisae is scum and HopkirkvAhsoka is T-T

except everyone included me and Ahsoka is reading this as TvT. I said spicy.

[Hopkirk]

get involved in this or get out of the dogone saloon

I offered a spicy take. Your flirtfest is not entertaining enough for me to join.

oh so you're afraid? you know what that means.

[Hopkirk]

except everyone included me and Ahsoka is reading this as TvT. I said spicy.

Even more?
So demanding.
Alright. New spicy take: Hopkirk's "hydra" is trying to take over the world.

there we go, that's pretty

[Hopkirk]

not especially game related though so you get a

[Hopkirk]

I know it's fun being dark and mysterious and all but why do people enjoy the whole declaring they're an alt thing if they want it to be a secret. Come on Jesse, just act like you're a first time player dang it.

[Hopkirk]

Alisae prob town

So is nobody else voting infinity for this post? Really?

[Hopkirk]

everyone is looking so cute today

Anyone looking... especially cute?

[Hopkirk]

I know it's fun being dark and mysterious and all but why do people enjoy the whole declaring they're an alt thing if they want it to be a secret. Come on Jesse, just act like you're a first time player dang it.

I didn't want it to be a secret?

Shh, not everything's about you we'll get back to our thing later.

[Hopkirk]

I've been getting some tips from Noraa and she'll probably be mad at me if I don't hit 1k posts this game, so sorry in advance for the next thirty posts.

[Hopkirk]

Especially this one.

[Hopkirk]

So can we agree on Alisae town lean but not for the reasons infinity sorted them as town for?

[Hopkirk]

Hey I want attention Jesse...

[Hopkirk]

*flops ears sadly*

[Hopkirk]

I've played with Alisae once reasonably recently when they were scum, not in memory when they were town.

[Hopkirk]

So can we agree on Alisae town lean but not for the reasons infinity sorted them as town for?

does Ali have a very distinct town/scum meta cause i think Ahsoka called em town confidently and it made me think so

I was reading Alisae as kind of different in terms of being a bit more enthusiastic (from the multiple strings of fluff posts where the fluff was spread over 3-4 different posts) then they started doing self meta which lined up with that. These are both things I liked.

[Hopkirk]

Hipkork I’ve only played against you when I was scum and you were town I think more then once actually but you might have been dead when I rep’d in and thats on a really secret secret alt I don’t think you would be able to find it.

I think aside from like those one or two games we’ve never been town together (yet) or I have not been given an opportunity to catch you (yet)

You're never going to get the chance. I'm on something like 25 consecutive town games on forum (including off-site). It's amazing.

i dont think scum alisae could take thread control in this PL. the ego size in this thread is like 6x a normal large theme.

What do you mean PL?
This thread is going to have so many egos that nobody will dare replace anyone who subs out due to small ego cowardice. That's the only valid reason anyone would have to sub out of this gerogebailey of a game. Abject cowardice.

Can you obvtown pooky? I need a bigger townblock.

[Hopkirk]

It's a good list. I really hope to see a toxic 1v1 between ABR and FL

Morning tweet, if scum, has already sworn in the scum QT multiple times about the amount of heavy angry ATE going to collectively come from any possible town this game.

[Hopkirk]

You gonna follow up on that or nah infinity?

[Hopkirk]

Dang, now you're gonna try and pocket em.

[Hopkirk]

I really hope to see a toxic 1v1 between ABR and FL

It's one of those things I've just always wanted to see. Extra points if it's a TvT too.

[Hopkirk]

i have a slight townlean on your good natured early posting partially based on that meta

pedit - @MT

also pedit - anyone not buy town alisae yet? no? that's good.

[Hopkirk]

Oh

just retract the spicy read and we'll pretend it never happened. then you can start bragging about having 3 townreads and you can just say it was a reaction test or something. i'll cover you if you draw any flak on the pivot y'know

[Hopkirk]

You gonna follow up on that or nah infinity?

I was reading up, I think you have the necessary context by now

VOTE: ahsoka

It makes sense that ali would try to adapt this game, but it would be a hell of a smooth transition into a playstyle ali isn't used to if e is scum. E felt at home being relaxed early on which is ++town.

so it's just from the first 4 posts that you formed a townread? it took me a few pages.

Oh

just retract the spicy read and we'll pretend it never happened. then you can start bragging about having 3 townreads and you can just say it was a reaction test or something. i'll cover you if you draw any flak on the pivot y'know

The Oh was for the pagetop

you aren't retracting the read

[Hopkirk]

woah, i was actually super jealous of that alisae reading ability and was going to deathtunnel you because of my jealousy until you admitted that. You wouldn't just be scum who read alisae right because you knew that already would you?

how are you reading Pooky?

[Hopkirk]

adapt or adapt in a natural looking way

[Hopkirk]

You don't need me to draw anything there right?

[Hopkirk]

I'm pretty interested in Jesse's beloved's identity too. Just throwing my hat in there in case Jessie thinks there's no demand for it.

There's no shame in it infinity, it's just something you have to do (unless you're me or hectic, boy I love this Island's aura) every so often so that we can keep playing town.

[Hopkirk]

No one actually answered my question so I’m going to ask again lol

In general I'd take 'no response' as 'no' or 'i don't care' in a scenario where a stance either way is more/less likely to come from people wihtout/with the knowledge already.
I was looking at 3p hoods the other day for unrelated reasons. Each slot there is reasonably more likely to flip scum than the average slot based on the amount of scum/players in those slots compared to scum/players overall. Ideally you'd reach each player individually rather than getting locked into reading based on them being in a hood. There's probably at least one scum in there based on mod meta, but I think you can get better odds through general play than through mod meta so I'm generally of the stance of not massively caring about hoods (actually in practice I'm probably more of the stance of fakeclaiming your hoods are masonaries and seeing how people/scum react)

Lol, kill infinity with fire then.

I was literally the one pushing the person who’s pining for his fade.

Now I have zero care on if Infinity lives or not.

Either Infinity just has absolutely no clue how to read me or they’re scum. Either way, idc if they die now.

Ooh fun a flavor scumgame.

Semi tinfoil int Infinity and Hopkirk team now.

Finding Ahsoka's stance on infinity weird here. Seems kind of afraid of an infinity scumflip while saying he supports the vote. Possible partnering noted but feels kind of clumsy on Ahsoka's part. I'd expect better theater if it was SvS so probably not.

[Hopkirk]

(i'm sorry, game content soon, i promise)

or you could just not give content. that's fine too. arguably better

Truth is like a diamond in the sky,

So many stars shining above,

My love, do you see me now?

I wait for you where the Sea kisses the Sky.

Hope blooming in my heart for us.

Soul and body you will have me all.

Pooky feels kind of off. Maybe its the italics and approach or the lack of Isis, but you feel weird Pooky. Why do you think this is?

It's a good list. I really hope to see a toxic 1v1 between ABR and FL

Morning tweet, if scum, has already sworn in the scum QT multiple times about the amount of heavy angry ATE going to collectively come from any possible town this game.

ABR and I get along well.

Yeah, we're friends. We don't lock horns.

but just think how fun it would be

[Hopkirk]

Thats hipkork to you.

Come on ahsoka. Point out the fakeness. I'm calling you out on this. Show me your pathetic words so that I may use them to evicerate you.

Ah, I thought you might be refering to the spewing of molten rage that I do when anyone dares suspect me. I'm not angry with Ahsoka yet, but they should still be made of fear.

Now why are you on my leg instead of on infinity soldier?

Like no matter how you look at it, it just is that. My standing always goes down in a neutral stance in that position, which is the purpose of a discredit.

And you don't even know the context of the 1v1 yet chose to push a stance.

Like you are factually just wrong here.

Disagree. It's not always about what they say, it's how they say it.

What are you responding to here?

Honestly most of what hopkirk said read as joking to me. It's kinda hard to tell how much of what hopkirk says is a joke, but you should err on the side of "all of it". I could kinda see 84 as discrediting, but ehh. I read the posts and I came to a tentative conclusion based on it, depending on how you reacted to my vote. You reacted with "either you're scum or you're garbage at reading me" which could come from town but it's hard for me to see because you still haven't asked for my reasons and in any case it's way premature.

i like poking players who say arrogant/over self-confident sounding stuff like

Game's boring, wagon me so I can catch the scum who vote me and the ones that don't.

and seeing how they react. The intent here is to poke them in the ego and see if they flail. My actual reads aren't generally jokes unless they're clear exaggerations which should hopefully be clear from context and i don't think i've made any of these that i remember this game. Stuff surrounding them... tbh reading based on enjoyment vibes seems to work well enough that any joking has a partial benefit purely by happening.

OK I'm caught up. Ahsoka is one of my favorite fictional characters lol.

Let's get some bandwagons going shall we?

we have a wonderful infinity wagon, we even have ABR on it. that's pretty nice

Honestly most of what hopkirk said read as joking to me.

doesn't mean it's not readable

its fairly obvtown yep

[Hopkirk]

@Kanna idk how Hoppy knew but basically im powerless as scum versus town with strong AtE game and it's possible id have actually sworn about it in mafia chat

i was TRing you a bit early game in SS3, so i read your comments in the scum-QT early game to see how you were approaching it at that point. you mentioned the thing about me/Pooky and i expanded it a bit here based on a rough estimate of how far it applies more broadly across the playerlist

I'm feeling some townpings of Alisae, Hopkirk and Ahsoka.

It's strange to see ABR being friendly, but I am open to new experiences.

The way Infinity approached and expressed himself about Ahsoka, without contextualizing his opinion about the discussion between Ahsoka x Hopkirk in a more organic way, as I would like from town!Infinity, reflected me as a negative ping.

Everyone else is null.

heh, i have the same townpings plus three other ones

The reason why I voted flavor to begin with is because he seemed to be trying to control the narrative a bit, and I felt that he was trying to look town. Instead of just waiting to see how hopkirk would react to his posting, he made sure to say "Look guys, I'm watching to see how hopkirk reacts to this!" Ali pointed out a similar thing in 131.

i said the exact same thing was my main problem with FL when we were doing a quick toxic 1v1 earlier and i don't like that you're not bringing me mentioning it up while brining up Ali mentioning it

[Hopkirk]

I thought it might work, though maybe I was a bit too hopeful. Like, scum!flavor might see an opportunity to try and pocket me or get me to TR him, and town!flavor might just want to have an honest engagement. I feel like I could possibly tell these apart later, and in any case, the game is much more enjoyable if one of these scenarios occurs.

If I did an analysis of town- and scum-motivation it would be something like:

Town: Flavor thinks hopkirk is scummy and wants to scare him/discourage hopkirk from pushing him. This could also get him good reactions.

Scum: Flavor wants to take control of the narrative and discourage people from pushing him. This could also get him a mislim if he can paint hopkirk's actions badly (assuming hopkirk is town).

I'm not really sure how to logically disentangle these two scenarios, at this point the only thing I have to go on is gut. So I followed my gut and tried to generate more info that I can use to tell them apart.

? this isn't the town motivation i was modelling

you've given your views on FL's side, how about evaluating the Hopkirk side of the toxic 1v1? i find it kind of odd how limited this has been in comparison

[Hopkirk]

Finding Ahsoka's stance on infinity weird here. Seems kind of afraid of an infinity scumflip while saying he supports the vote. Possible partnering noted but feels kind of clumsy on Ahsoka's part. I'd expect better theater if it was SvS so probably not.

I specifically said I'd hammer, you know that, right?

Infinity's read on me is poor/fake, even if he is town.

My vote is still on you.

no, in general i don't know what's been posted beyond the page i'm on because i like to catch up page by page (exceptions when i've been idly flicking through the thread on mobile in the morning and take a couple of things in pre catch up)
i've made in fairly clear i have issue with infinity's analysis of the Hop/Ahs discussion
i don't care, must be embarrassing to admit though

[Hopkirk]

It's not the fact he has a scum read on me, it's his basis and reasoning is just not there, and he was pushing it, but he didn't even have context about any of my posts, because he didn't even know about my posts towards you, hopkirk, and that was essentially all of my posts at the time.

He was actively making a case on me with reasoning based on my posts, without knowing my posts.

It's not the read itself, it's how he got there just reeks of fabrication.

who are you talking to here? nobody's taken the other side except i guess infinity implicitly

[Hopkirk]

ok i reread 322 and it doesn't quite say what i thought it said, and isn't what i disliked about infinity's posting, but i'm still not sure who it's addressed to

[Hopkirk]

Infinity is my beloved and while I am not convinced he is town, I would like more time to figure things out myself. We have 5 days. You people are way too rushed.

atm where is your head at?

Pooky scum
Infinity scum

something like that but I'm not confident at all.

why pooky scum also what changed about me?

do you not scumread pooky? He seems weird.

[Hopkirk]

Did Jesse actually claim lover? I assumed that was flavouring.

I am chill except when I'm devouring my enemies, but I'm barely ever doing that since I started my new diet.

[Hopkirk]

Ok fine

[Hopkirk]

When I say 'i thought it was flavour' I mean I thought it was them throwing flavour into their posts, not to be confused with game flavour. My phrasing was bad there.

I meant that I thought it was just some words they were throwing in (that do happen to be a mafia role) for the cuteness vibes.

[Hopkirk]

I'm surprisingly happy to vote out infinity right now

[Hopkirk]

I'm more remarking on the fact it's very uncommon for me to want to vote out a specific person 2 days into a game.

[Hopkirk]

I view this as sign of personal growth. What do you think morning tweet?

[Hopkirk]

I was looking for your interpreted as much as anything.

[Hopkirk]

You've probably got 2 there imo.

[Hopkirk]

We'll see if pooky is good or not tomorrow

[Hopkirk]

MT didn't react quite how I was expecting to my last post to them though.

[Hopkirk]

Let's see how much they like quickhammering.

[Hopkirk]

Our hood consists of {Me, MT, Uncrowned, ABR, and Mena}
I'm outing this because the only players I townread in the hood is MT but while I decided to maybe play my hand out at the start of the day, I'm going to wait on that. But I do think scum is in this hood and I have my eyes on everyone in the hood thats not MT.

i find it funny (hectic funny, not weird funny) that your explanation of why you're deciding to out the hood comes directly after MT outed the hood

actually you know what, I'll out this since he played his hand
I suspect ABR
VOTE: ABR

His response to the Infinity flip was "How did this happen?" which is honestly just as bad as Creature posting "How can we solve this game?" I doubt anyone here will get that meme but regardless my point is that I don't really think he's trying to find scum tbh.

any of this coming from in hood stuff, or all in thread? I have vaguel negative vibes on ABR so far

[Hopkirk]

I lean towards Pooky not being scum cause it feels like town Pooky always does something moderately suspicious day one

Hm, my experience of Pooky was that he'd given me good reason to solidly townread him D1 every game we've been in (3-4, all both town so limited). How are you reading Pooky now? I realized when I was typing that last sentence that I should probably clarify what I mean sicne I'm quoting a post where you say 'not scum', I mean I'm interested in a more expanded read.

Everything Kanna said in 404 I liked. Reread of Clidd reads as overly blendy. Interested in UC's response.

[Hopkirk]

right, I didn't remember that reaction post in the thread

@Kanna it's not your happiness!! It's more a general sense the post felt constructed rather than genuine -- i admit am letting my own last scum game influence the read, obviously we're not the same person so i dont exactly trust my read more or less on myself transfering to you. That combined with how you weren't around too much, i dont think you said anything on the main wagon, reminded me of myself as scum i guess

Gotta think more about clidd, maybe tomorrow. i do think I'll prolly need more content to decide that though

Kanna, what seems obviously bad about Ahsoka to you (if you're not referring to my post earlier on him anyway)?

is that 'constructed' read on Kanna coming from a scumgame? I think that's what you're saying but wanted to clarify.

Oh i had a shower thought that maybe scum loverizes people instead of killing them during the night. Cause i assume something happened. That or maybe they're like aliens who only get one kill

I just want to say i called it in case scum forces people to fall for each other as their night action cause i think thatd be an interesting mechanic.

that's probably looking at 3 scum if limited kill with stuff like a '2 town lover pairing' + assumed limited town power roles from large hood. I could also see something like 'scum can't kill after lovers die' or similar especially if more lovers/lover-making present?

[Hopkirk]

I could join either clidd or abr tbh.

VOTE: Clidd

[Hopkirk]

Oh yeah, hectic threatened to modkill me if I didn't keep up the hydra thing.

-Hop

What? no I didn't

.
-Hectic

Hectic... we've talked about this. Stop threatening to modkill my players.

-Ydrasse

What? Hop's joking. I didn't say that. You trust me right?'

-Hectic

Is that my silverware?

-Ydrasse

Ok... yes I do have your silverware, but I needed a present for Hopkirk's birthday. It's only like 5 months away. You don't want to see him get nothing do you?

-Hectic

...

-Ydrasse

I'm confused. Am I getting modkilled or not?

-Hop

Hm, I'll just modkill one of your heads as an example to the rest

Datisi has been modkilled

-Hectic

Can you please stop modkilling people who aren't in my game Hectic

-Ydrasse

Fine. Kanna has been modk...

-Hectic

-Ydrasse

[Hopkirk]

Oh yeah as for hoodmates I think Ali is town, Uncrowned i lean on town, Mena/Nahdia undecided, and ABR i was going to lean suspicious on but i dont know if he calls me scum as scum, this is the first im hearing of it ofc

@ABR: How do you read Morning Tweet outing the hood before that?

[Hopkirk]

It's a good list. I really hope to see a toxic 1v1 between ABR and FL

Morning tweet, if scum, has already sworn in the scum QT multiple times about the amount of heavy angry ATE going to collectively come from any possible town this game.

ABR and I get along well.

Yeah, we're friends. We don't lock horns.

FL is a selfish prick who handicaps himself by hammering whatever lands at L-1 because he thinks he's so good it's annoying and immature.

that was fast

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Uncrowned

[Hopkirk]

I phoneread the thread before my last 2 posts btw as I wasn't sure I'd have time to respond right now. Turns out I do...ish

we have a wonderful infinity wagon, we even have ABR on it. that's pretty nice

This is sus too

go ahead, everyone's listening

Is there any reason to not just policy ahsoka today

VOTE: ahsoka

pretty good ones yeah

VOTE: Abr

Ok i dont care

lol so your later rage is fake is what you're saying?

Does anyone know what hopkirk’s range is like as scum

I have never seen Hopkirk play scum

as someone who likes playing town, I'm very happy with my 25ish game/multi-year townstreak

technically

scum Hopkrik doesn't really joke around or meme. my playstyle became jollier when Hectic arrived.

I have too many scumleans this game

MT — actual townslots
Hopkirk

Kanna — here only by virtue of not being as scummy as people below
Uncrowned

Pooky — sort of want to trust morning here but didn’t like the justification for his vote on ABR

ABR — broad scumpool
Clidd
Ali

ahsoka — just policy him tbh, save the headache and no more worrying about other quickhammers

My scumpool is basically the middle section of your reads. Can you talk about Clidd and Uncrowned?

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: alisae

my probability distribution for this interaction is like

95%: TvT
0.80%: TvS
4.20%: SvS

the toxic 1v1 TvT from Alisae and Menalaque was enjoyablel to watch. Menalaque got townpoints. Aliase already was.

Noting the ABR vote in the middle after Menal put one down. ABR lower partner equity with Meal (and Alisae but i don't care about that) because it feels like either town putting a vote down or scum putting one in to inflame, not getting a sense of SvS from (Albert/Menal)

FL already unquoted the posts so I won't bother. Uncrowned felt like he was tryinng to buddy FL pretty hard there. Part of my vote.
Not sure if Uncrowned/ABR is a S/S interaction yet, leaning towards a solid possibly

[Hopkirk]

I'm not a vig + you both are pretty bad in this game so stop thinking emotionally and use your brain if you're town

I heard good thing about you but it feels like most of your play is just shouting that people are bad until they vote you or get embarrassed and sheep you. How's it normally work? I'm guessing the second one since I've heard of you.

Like I specifically didn't quickhammer here, Menalque's twisting the situation.

I don't know if they're doing it because they replaced in and are unaware or scum.

and how do you read it

You quick hammered. Sure you planted some seeds of it but no one paid attention to it BECAUSE IT WAS THE FIRST BANDWAGON OF THE GAME

ABR yelling at Flavor Leaf about Mafia being a team game

2021 is lit

2020 - they said they wouldn't do a 1v1
2021- ABR starting an angry 1v1
year off to a good start

I think ABR has potential to be scum, thinking he's got a guilty on him, and now is creating WIFOM for future days, either trying to fake distance (ie make me look like a partner by making it look like distancing) or is town mad I'm considering them as possible scum.

But I think I'm soul reading Alisae here.

Ooh, this qualifies as a townblock. Normally I'm just telling people they're part of the townblock and they don't always reciprocate. Nice.

[Hopkirk]

Hopkirk is scum for ignoring how Uncrowned has been buddying me

really? I'm scum because

in the middle of a catch uph

i haven't reviewed what I think of associative yet
despite the line making it clear that I'm not sure whether you're both scum (not sure if it's SvS, I'm leaning a solid possibly).

that's such a trash tier read like 'lol, you joking mate' is a valid response.

weren't you voting me before this? if this is your 'reason hop is scum' then I can't imagine how garbage the thing you were basing that vote on must have been lol

[Hopkirk]

FL is my little brother, I can beat up on him but no one else can

who are you responding to here

[Hopkirk]

all i'm hearing is toxic 1v1

[Hopkirk]

(Uncrowned/Kanna/Clidd?)

[Hopkirk]

except not kanna and clidd oh right

[Hopkirk]

ABR moved for town vibey stuff that I can bring up if I have to I guess but I get vibes and you get vibes and they might not be the same vibes

Menalaque I put in town because of clidd saying they had strong meta for a very strong townread there and that moved Menal up regardless of clidd's alignment

uncrowned didn't read as good from their wagon breaking down. don't get the reads changing there tbh. if there's stuff happening in the hood during the day that's changing reads then... why is it happening in the hood?

Pooky I think I can sort later.

Morning tweet is giving me the same vibes shelly did during death curse where I had her as a relatively good townread/she was the only scum I was strong townreading, despite me also thinking 'she's probably just scum buddying me'. I'm going to let other people sort MT. Since my townreads below sorted her as town she's town. Nice. That was easy

Alisae and Ashoka are town that I'm not looking at outside of their reads. Alisae is hard to sheep because it feels like they're still solving

[Hopkirk]

someone said 2 scum and that

probably

doesn't reconcile with no nightkill

Clidd/Uncronwed/X with X being hard to find I guess then

[Hopkirk]

Clidd's lack of vote on uncrowned then voting on Kanna is weird and I didn't like his explanation for it enough

[Hopkirk]

(Uncrowned/Kanna/Clidd?)

This low hanging fruit POE is unlikely

I prefer to call it (now Uncrowned/Clidd/X) an 'outside of the townreads' fruit POE because this is a 10p game right now and I have a fair few good reads. like... it doesn't take that much with this few?

[Hopkirk]

how confident are you on that and how good are you at meta pooky?

[Hopkirk]

can you and ABR have an actual fight now pooky? there's been a ton of flirting but no dancing at this point and I want to see you TvT and if it's a TvT

[Hopkirk]

I asked him for his case and reasoning and he's provided none so I'm not sure what I'm supposed to fight him about.

tbh it doesn't sound like you're even trying tbh. Just start slinging passive aggressive angry comments at him or something. Is that so difficult?

how confident are you on that and how good are you at meta pooky?

She's like Hectic Level Soul Mason mixed with Isis level Love.

fine kanna can have her town points back

[Hopkirk]

ABR is happy to sheep the same people I am. That's good right pooky?

[Hopkirk]

I say sheep when what I mean is sheep onto my scumreads

[Hopkirk]

well maybe you should publically call him out on it and throw in some mocking comments about him being bad? it's like i'm doing all your thinking here

Why are you sheeping Clidd ABR?

[Hopkirk]

wow, got a violin right there and all you can do is hum.

^ see this is the kind of thing I'm looking for Pooky.

VOTE: Clidd

are you doing this because you think they flip scum then we all apologise for doubting you on ABR and go for him too? because, full disclosure here, i'm only in for stage one

[Hopkirk]

what about uncrowned. i'll vote them instead of you if you vote them Clidd. you scumread them right?

[Hopkirk]

@Alisae

because I thought he was scum before and nothing changed tbh. his posting felt flailey more than townie and I don't get your read change.
clidd not voting uncrowned despite having him low in his reads list then voting with uncrowned onto someone higher up in his reads list was why I initially picked it, then it fit in with my POE and everything, it was pretty magical

@Pooky: my experience with ABR is: i think one game a while ago, long enough i don't remember anything about it + a mafia discussion guide or something he posted many years ago (maybe a decade?) about how he liked to hard tunnel people and never admit defeat/consider changing his mind.

[Hopkirk]

Wait, not perfect enough:

Town
{Alisae | Morning}

{Kanna}

Paranoia

{Menalque | Ahsoka}

Null
{ABR}
{Hopkirk}
{Uncrowned}

Scum

{Pooky}

I think Menalque is town, but I'll need to recheck this each night. I also need to see how he interacts with the latest events that have occurred. Ahsoka too. I shouldn't consider them ccs.

so updating this for 'hopkirk going up' then your null/scumpool atm is (ABR/Pooky/Uncrowned). If you're not sure on uncrowned are you looking at your townreads at the moment to review them? do you think your POE is big enough, because it feels like from your perspective you have too many townreads

also do you think it's pooky & ABR or has ABR gone up in your readslist since Pooky went down. i don't

remember

(and it might exist but i don't recall) you saying anything about pooky and abr both being bad together, and that feels like something that you'd note if you were considering it?

[Hopkirk]

oh right paranoia wasn't town and I skipped over it because it was in black rather than in colour
how are you feeling about those two now?

[Hopkirk]

My role is town 1-shot neighborizer neighbor.

I can target someone at night once per game to form a neighborhood with that person.

is that joining your hood or a new one? this probably doesn't matter

what info do we get from flipping you?

[Hopkirk]

I feel like we are letting clidd and kanna off the hook too easily though

I have reasons to believe Clidd is town.

for stuff posted in the hood or just because you were in a hood?

[Hopkirk]

pooky is scum

look at the read on me

"bad intentions"

"play polar opposite from the game i modded where he was scum"

no explanation. just words.

hopkirk is also scum

"clidd/uncrowned scum" immediately after I vote his ass and want him gone? nahhhh

they're either not reading or they saw that I had them as scum from early on and want me gone without having to NK me

I thought this was wrong initially but I did only vote you after you did looking back. That's a pretty bad look for me since everyone knows that if you vote someone who's voted you then you're just doing it to get rid of someone sus of you. It's a good thing that I really can't tell why you scumread me before that or made the vote, since if you had any reasoning then it might be enough to sway people. Hopefully everyone just concludes that I was voting a sus person who was very clearly in a shrinking POE that I had.

Can I hear more about your progression on me over the game? You seem overly-locked here in a way that doesn't come through in your posting to me

The only read I feel really good about is Ali town because now e is(was) running into a similar situation to myself where e ran out of people to scumread and went to Mena which is something i was tempted to do a few times lol

pedit: I'm the one who theorized maybe scum makes us fall in love instead of kill lol

seems unlikely that people are made into lovers without knowing they're in love? I think you're thinking of justice here, love has its eyes wide open.
unless it's like one day only lovers? hectic would like that kind of betting mechanic. match X and Y for the next day and profit if one dies. they don't get told. like a weaker kill

anna, are you soulreading Pooky back or is it a one-way lane at the moment where he's certain you're town but you're not quite sure yet?

i want to townlock him for those posts on me alone. scum!pooky wouldn't be that evil. but i know that's kind of a dodgy reason so it's a "not yet" for now

I distinctly recall someone being saddened by scum-Pooky and brining it up to him in another game that he made them feel sad.

I will accept that Kanna probably isn't scum if Pooky is town though

you think Kanna is more likely to flip scum if Pooky does? I don't

[Hopkirk]

Spoiler:

Town
{Kanna}
{Morning}
{Alisae}

Paranoia

{Menalque}

Null
{Pooky | Hopkirk}
{Uncrowned | ABR}

Scumlean
Ahsoka

In case a hammer occurs while I'm resting, this is my white format, with no explanation added at the moment. It is just to give an idea where my head is at.

I'll talk with Ahsoka in the PT about the red impression, so there is no need to talk in public rn.

i don't think you adressed what MT said about why you were posting a lot in the QT but not in the thread? that's what i was most interested in hearing about from you atm tbh

[Hopkirk]

@Clidd- what flipped your read on Pooky? I don't think you responded to any of my posting yesterday

[Hopkirk]

Morning Tweet can you do some hard ATE so that I feel guilty about the paranoia I've got that you're pocketing me?

[Hopkirk]

oh yeah the day 1 wagon. that's a good point MT, thanks

[Hopkirk]

Clidd + one of (Pooky/Uncrowned) + one of (ABR/Menal?) is roughly what I'm currently going to look at if I didn't have to leave now

[Hopkirk]

i should look at MT & ABR sometime more

[Hopkirk]

do you not understand the concept of intense sarcasm?

[Hopkirk]

that's me saying that your reasoning was garbage, explaining why, then explaining that 'omgus' isn't a useful concept unless you understand what it means.
i even explained my thought process. that you're in a shrinking POE. shocking i know, you'd only have to see me townreading most of the thread but not you, then putting you in my poe, then scumreading you to work that out. that does sound fairlyhard so no blame there tbh
(although the first sentence was true)

[Hopkirk]

Link to VC

"oops I actually did make a shitty vote on him and he's called me out on it. now when he flips town I'm gonna look bad. lemme justify real quick and try discredit his read so that it just looks like his read wasn't right"

we got em squad

did you not understand that i was explaining i voted you for being in my poe and the reasons i subsequently said i disliked you for? do i need to quote this

@ABR you're looking complict here too, i'm much more concerned about someone looking at that and not getting it than i am about the person i'm talking to there. i don't see that's how a mistake a third party would normally make in reading it

[Hopkirk]

Kanna is town Ashuka

[Hopkirk]

Morning Tweet can you do some hard ATE so that I feel guilty about the paranoia I've got that you're pocketing me?

you..

*sniff*

suspect me, Hop? whyyyy (ノ﹏ヽ)

Also i haven't focused on you barely at all why do you feel like you're being pocketed?

oh yeah the day 1 wagon. that's a good point MT, thanks

what abt it

Oh you mean like, as a reason for TRing you? yeah i thought you came off looking better than Ahsoka/clidd for their contributions cause i felt it was uncharacteristic for you to be so confident in a way you would be unlikely to fake as scum

first part is i have a townread but am still paranoid. i'm going to look tomorrow to whether i think this is the case or not. i'll outline the direct things if you want but it's mostly vibes since i am townreading you, just in the way that feels like you want me to townread you which i want to confirm because that's useful
second point - i remembered you weren't on the D1 wagon along with Kanna/Alisae (my top 2-3 townreads).

[Hopkirk]

Alisae you don't think i'm town?

[Hopkirk]

wow

[Hopkirk]

then you're reading the game very wrong? don't you reconsider your reads if you have solid townreads on 8/10 people in a game where there's likely 2 scum?

[Hopkirk]

3 scum*

[Hopkirk]

the problem with arguing is that i agree on a lot of people being town which is why i'm getting paranoid about townreads like (ABR/MT/Pooky)
but is your reaction to stop going over stuff when you aren't sure? it's not mine

[Hopkirk]

pooky isn't doing anything scummy, does he normally act overtly scummy as scum?

[Hopkirk]

like if you want to flip people purely because there's less players which makes it easier that's valid i guess? i can see someone wanting to do that

[Hopkirk]

pooky gives me paranoia because he's not as overtly jumping out as a townread as he has before to me every time i've played with him
normally when he gets in any kind of 1v1 (eg Taylor in death curse/Isis in matrix/technically me i guess in silent star 3) i start thinking he's obvtown. i don't get the obvtown vibes and i'm not confident putting him as town just because he's giving me town vibes

[Hopkirk]

i'll probably have more relevant stuff to say when i've sorted people myself better. i could use Kanna/Ashuka to help out there

[Hopkirk]

i have a solid townblock of Kanna/Ashuka/you and would like to add MT to that

[Hopkirk]

i haven't played with scum pooky because i've mostly given up on meta-from-skimming-games. i'm working with my model of town pooky and seeing how well this fits.
i have a neutral read with positive vibeyness and want to look back at stuff

[Hopkirk]

can you sell me 100% on MT? i kind of get pockety vibes since it feels like they townread me a lot in how we're interacting/how they're looking at the thread but i'm not sure how overtly it comes through in their posting? i'd be annoyed with myself if i ignored the possibility of being pocketed, but i want to make them part of my townblock

[Hopkirk]

purely from the readslist it'd be Kanna as more sus

[Hopkirk]

imagine if the hood contained 3 scum which contains 1 scum that is secretly working to win alone

[Hopkirk]

idk if i scumread the person i'm voting

[Hopkirk]

i should probably clarify that post wasn't sarcastic but it's hard to say that without it being possible people think i'm meta-meta joking

[Hopkirk]

i think my townread on mena is largely sheeping one of my scumreads giving a meta townread

should probably

reevaluate that

i'm townreading Kanna in a large part because i'm assuming pooky is serious about ~99% townreading

[Hopkirk]

whether you're town or scum, that's why Kanna is a hard TR for me

[Hopkirk]

Uncrowned+Meal+X then

[Hopkirk]

why the HECK does Hop think im trying to pocket him? Hop why??

That's all I got to say rn i wanna watch my movie ok later

so uh... i may have reread the times you've mentioned me just now and realized that my concerns 'MT feels like they're TRing me in how they're interacting with me harder than they're saying' are just wrong since you had me as a top townread during at least the height of the paranoia.

I was thinking that it felt like you were interacting me as though I was a strongtownread while you had me as neutral. That uh... doesn't seem to be based on anything

[Hopkirk]

Uncrowned+Meal+X then

X being likely either Clidd or ABR i guess

[Hopkirk]

oh pooky could go in there somewhere too i guess

the other 4 (Alisae/MT/Ashoka/Kanna) i think are solidly town enough here

[Hopkirk]

@Clidd - in 649 why is Ashoka so high in your townreads? I'm not sure how that level of confidence vibes with you just telling me:

And I would not recommend putting Ahsoka in your townblock. It is a tricky slot to read rn.

yesterday. I know it was before the claim, but it feels weird that FL is saying they got pockety vibes from you when it was a hidden PT, then your read on him went down after it was revealed. Was it just a TR to soft the PT at this point? You say 'personal reasons' as the why.

Otherwise 649 gives townvibes after skimming a couple of Clidd's scumgames to see whether they like to TR partners, but giving up because they didn't really do any wall reads in the ones I looked at, and the mods didn't put flips into the opening post . The townread on Menal feels good from Clidd.

@Clidd - how are you feeling about uncrowned now? I didn't like earlier when you had them as a top scumread, there was a wagon, you didn't vote them, then you joined the counterwagon they started on a lesser scumread. It's almost too scummy to be scum if scum-uncrowned, but it would also directly line up with an uncrowned-partner's incentives since FL could have hammered if you voted i think?
What did you mean by 'uncrowned was willing to fight for a living' in terms of good content? I didn't get that impression and I'm not following the read pivot. 747 .
Thinking about that, 'I don't want to wagon them because they might fight' seems like something scum are less likely to say in thread about town.
POE in 817 is kinda eh on potential partners. Only overt/safe partner here would be Menal which seems a bit too overt so idk. Feels like more paranoia than I usually see scum have over a partner in terms of switching the read strength quite often after towncasing.
Not sure if i see partners at this point except the possible openwolfing pairing with uncrowned which feels too easy idk
Kanna townread is nice
eh like the posts about MT's posting, seemingly genuine rethinking, and Menal.

[Hopkirk]

hopkirk out here like

"yeah let's push uncrowned as if he's scum even though

he's pushing the guys im trying to pretend I'm SRing

first"

first clidd now pooky?

I do consider myself a pioneer and innovator but this is just too much

yeah right now you're just pushing me mate

UNVOTE: Clidd because of last post i made

[Hopkirk]

You know what would be a wacky setup though? 2 pairs of scum lovers- one inside the hood/one outside. Ahsoka + Clidd and 2 of (ABR/Uncrowned/Menal)
Fortunately that isn't the case since Clidd claimed neighbourized and filling a QT with genuine townspew to pocket a single town isn't right.

I don't really think it's Clidd now btw. They're at the level of Pooky in my reads i think

[Hopkirk]

uncrowned if you're just going to throw shade at me without responding to my responses then i don't think you're going in considering that i could be scum or town, that gives off vibes of someone who's tunnelly in a survivalist and off way to me now
like you're throwing stuff out when you mentioned the sarcastic post. can you follow up on that or nah?

[Hopkirk]

which sarcastic post

the one I said looked like it came from scum PT?

yeah, the one a bunch of people told you was garbage

i have a solid townblock of Kanna/Ashuka/you and would like to add MT to that

this is weird, not wrong, but weird. Might be true, but I'm personally not seeing it with those 2 specifically.

which 2?

[Hopkirk]

how are you reading menal Ahsoka?

[Hopkirk]

which sarcastic post

the one I said looked like it came from scum PT?

yeah, the one a bunch of people told you was garbage

i have a solid townblock of Kanna/Ashuka/you and would like to add MT to that

this is weird, not wrong, but weird. Might be true, but I'm personally not seeing it with those 2 specifically.

which 2?

the 2 that aren't me.

(Alisae/MT/Kanna) - You aren't sure on 2 of those 3? I thought you liked them all

[Hopkirk]

so is that Clidd & Pooky or are those independent reads? i'm asking since they're both at the bottom of each other's reads lists and pooky voted Clidd with me when it got to i think L2

[Hopkirk]

I don't buy that you don't buy that I'm scumreading you here.

i'm not sure if i buy this
(clarification - i haven't thought about it)

Clidd talk me through uncrowned pls

[Hopkirk]

and y'know, the other stuff i was saying earlier (clidd)

i wouldn't be voting Ahsoka in this toxic 1v1

[Hopkirk]

good point, i do remember one time when we were masons together like 2-3 years ago and you had me almost instantly convinced you were town

did clidd ever say why he was posting so much in the hood?

[Hopkirk]

and y'know, the other stuff i was saying earlier (clidd)

i wouldn't be voting Ahsoka in this toxic 1v1

I don't think it's toxic. He's either scum or has a bad case of Flavor Fever because I hard pocketed him just recently.

i just like calling 1v1s toxic 1v1s no matter how wholesome they are

[Hopkirk]

clidd i feel like you aren't paying attention to me

[Hopkirk]

not fully up to date, but want to ask this because of the mech stuff

After thinking about it, I don't really think it makes sense for Clidd to have loverized me but claim neighborizer. I still don't understand why they didn't neighborize someone last night, though.

did you get the hood with Clidd in your role pm, or did you get added by Clidd? I thought you had it in your role pm.

[Hopkirk]

is that 7 or 8/10 of you that've claimed now? the 5 hood members, FL, Clidd, and was there someone i'm missing?

purely from the readslist it'd be Kanna as more sus

why? the reads or because clidd wrote more words than me? and i find it strange you say i'm a hard townread, but you're also sideshading me; it doesn't feel like you really want to townread me

why are you townreading ahsoka so hard?

i'm not shading you, i was asked a question, i thought i typed 'which is why my scumreads aren't based on readslists tbh' or something there
i just townread them. do i really have to explain my townreads?

i think my townread on mena is largely sheeping one of my scumreads giving a meta townread

should probably

reevaluate that

i'm townreading Kanna in a large part because i'm assuming pooky is serious about ~99% townreading

whether you're town or scum, that's why Kanna is a hard TR for me

also is this read really that significant to you, that if pooky deadsays i'm town, that just means i am, but you don't think my content is townie? that's a bit strange

you content doesn't really move me one way or another tbh. you'll null + pooky = strong town

can we just vote the AFK player like its mostly town posting its likely that the AFK player is just scum it literally always is like that

hopkirk come vote mena

i just assumed we were going to compromise there eventually.
i considered voting them when i took my vote off Clidd earlier, then decided that leaving my vote on someone who's V/LA isn't super useful, so i made the overt move of wasting my vote by not voting anyone right now instead
i'm just waiting on uncrowned atm

Probably pm, Hopkirk, unless she added me pre-game.

[Hopkirk]

no one has ever said "Oh boy I sure do wish I listened to Ali" ever
no one has ever said that cuz Ali is this trash player who always has scum in eirs townreads because e is just a shit player ig

is this at me? i factored your read on FL into mine d1

[Hopkirk]

I still want Ahsoka, so we can hit scum.

Menalque is meh, because it's basically a coinflip, he didn't post much for us to see if he's town or scum.

his scumread on me is bullshit did we forget about this?

Also his entrance into the hood is super sus literally no one ever enters a hood PT with "Oh hey 5 man scum PT wow very cool btw who are we killing?"
hello?

Are you trying to tell me Hectic wouldn't even

consider

saying that as town?

[Hopkirk]

(Clidd/ABR/Menal)?

how's that sound

[Hopkirk]

I'M A 2-SHOT DOCTOR WHO PROTECTED AHSOKA

is this a serious claim? i'm assuming yes

[Hopkirk]

she is?

[Hopkirk]

maybe i should claim

[Hopkirk]

do scum hard push you to out the doc when they know it'll make town-you sus?

[Hopkirk]

you're 100% a doc right alisae?

[Hopkirk]

thanks for that

[Hopkirk]

that's the closest emoji to irritation, i know the text for it implies sus but i don't sus you

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: menalaque

[Hopkirk]

Honestly, I’m not gonna play anymore. Derps just pushing me to push me because they don’t want me to get away as scum. It’s effectively a policy push, but one is coming from scum.

It isn't a policy push and you know that.

Nah, it is by Menalque and Pooky. Pooky derptunneled misfaded me. I think your scum.

Your reasons are actually bad and frankly i don’t want to play this anymore. You’re legitimately wrong.

And I’m like one step away from getting toxic because of how annoyed i am.

There is literally nothing that can convince me this isn’t the combination of policy from me winning my scum games and players wanting me not to get away mixed in with scum pushing me.

Like there’s no other options.

think you'd make this post as scum? heavy ate stuff i mean

[Hopkirk]

The target is probably scum.
Scum not having a nightkill could make sense as 3/12 is balanced as a 50-50 for mountainous, we've already seen two town lovers which reduces town ev, and we haven't seen any actively +EV roles from the claims so far, so assuming the hood members have no additional power roles that doesn't leave a lot of likely town power.

I don't think the claim seems that unlikely. NSG should target someone she thinks is scum other than Clidd, and we vote menal. That would be good.

[Hopkirk]

does anyone on Ahsoka think that (Clidd/Ashoka) is either 2 town or 2 scum?

[Hopkirk]

i'm assuming y'all are thinking T/S

[Hopkirk]

i'll review flavoursidegal since 3 of my 4 stronger townreads are voting there

[Hopkirk]

hey clidd would you add me to the hood if FL flipped scum?

[Hopkirk]

who should i use my vig shot on

[Hopkirk]

the current consensusy solve is something like 1 of (AFLNSG+Clidd) and 2 of (ABR+Uncrowned+Menal) right?

Menal probably flips scum with either FL or Clidd so why don't we just yeet Menal then I cop check Clidd, easy

[Hopkirk]

if Ahsoka then it's also just Menal and Uncrowned as the partners right?

[Hopkirk]

maybe it is just (Ahsoka, Menal, Uncrowned) that would make a lot of sense in explaining how they were playing it

[Hopkirk]

Ok then let's flip menal or uncrowned

[Hopkirk]

If FL is scum then he did yesterday to divert it from them right?

[Hopkirk]

Can you have a look for his partners then?

[Hopkirk]

i think we've solved it, good job everyone

i say 'vig' it's really more of an unlimited bulletproof cop fruit vendor hybrid that i was thinking of using on Clidd if we flip Mena

[Hopkirk]

claiming is a strong word when alisae is around

[Hopkirk]

think about it

[Hopkirk]

i wanted to be protected because then i get to vend TWO fruits instead of one. i probably should have added the condition-double-fruit vendor part to my claim tbh, i'll understand if missing that bit out gets me voted off

[Hopkirk]

i thought we were friends bro

we are. sometime i just like softclaiming in big-brain ways

[Hopkirk]

do we think scum can even kill in this setup?

[Hopkirk]

what would be the issue with it?

3 scum in 12 players is 50% winrate for each side mountainous right? then we had a pair of town lovers which is -ev and the hood points to low town power. based on what it seems we've got 3 scum with a kill every night sounds scumsided without hectic-style-mechanics. i can see killpower being limited