I never even considered Ascetic tbhIn post 3481, Noraa wrote:hm. so basically either DGB is ascetic scum or town?In post 3473, JacksonVirgo wrote:N2 Weak Visitor check on DGB.
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My town plays are often unorthodox but make sense to myself which is all that matters to me. DGB was not confirmed Town at all, but they were a TR and I would rather confirm that than have the paranoia sitting on the back of my mind the entire game.In post 3482, Infinity 324 wrote:
That doesn't make sense, you might as well just treat DGB as conftown anyway if you're willing to die for no benefit if it's scum.In post 3478, JacksonVirgo wrote:I didn't since if my soft was caught I could be led into a false-negative with a scum roleblocker, I was already confident they were Town I just wanted to be sure. It was a risk I was willing to take but it paid off.-
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Mind explaining what you see?In post 3484, Infinity 324 wrote:
HmmIn post 3481, Noraa wrote:ascetic scum
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I understand I may be bad at reading you, but mechanically you are/were scum here with your own logic from my perspective. Care to explain why you would not be?In post 3489, Noraa wrote:
honestly, no.In post 3476, JacksonVirgo wrote:With DGB and myself being town-tier. And Noraa forcing a 1v1 with DGB, Noraa is confirmed scum here unless scum just hasn't appeared yet at the same time. And that's why I think they're trying to set up a way to WIFOM save their buddy going into tomrrow.
this is mean of me to bring up but I'm about to do it anyways.
In So many bats, I was scum. You TRed me hard.
In mini 2177, I was town. You SRed me hard.
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I'm at a 2/3 scum pile. Infinity/Noraa appeared to be pushing the same agenda where Mark is not. I am not sure if scum!Noraa would playing the seperation game to have their buddy succeed in tomorrows LYLO or directly pushing for DGB alongside their buddy. That's my current read in a nutshell-
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Your own logic was that when you voted, DGB was never speed-hammered meaning scum is within you two. And since DGB is cleared both from mechanics and my check you are the scum unless scum were outside you both and weren't coordinated at that time to hammer. Meanwhile I want everyone to unvote if they haven't alreaydy.-
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I'll have to look back at your timings with MarkyPoo and Noraa's vote first.In post 3499, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm pretty sure we've established that one of DGB and noraa is scum.-
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Cross-killing is always a possibility remember.In post 3498, Infinity 324 wrote:
An ascetic is someone who lives in the woods, and a lot of yellowstone is woods. It could make sense.In post 3488, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Mind explaining what you see?In post 3484, Infinity 324 wrote:
HmmIn post 3481, Noraa wrote:ascetic scum
I do think that ascetic scum makes a lot of sense with the flavor.
I still don't have a good explanation for why scum no killed n2 except for DGB being scum. But if DGB is scum, I think JV is town weirdly enough. Rolecop/tracker mason + motion detector mason + fruit vendor + PGO vs. ascetic/rb and two goons is too scumsided.-
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So you're saying your logic only applies to scum!DGB when it actually applies to both. And you're saying this backwards logic when you're the one incriminated by your own logic? Do you see the issue hereIn post 3504, Noraa wrote:
No. My logic is DGB/Noraa must have scum and its DGB.In post 3496, JacksonVirgo wrote:If I am wrong about the 1v1 between DGB/Noraa it could be Mark/Infinity doing the same thing although right now using your own logic Noraa you are the likely scum here.-
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Never a big fan of self-meta.In post 3503, Noraa wrote:
I mean here's the thing: if I were scum, I'd never push the town RBer. Sure momrangal thought they were scum. But that doesn't matter. Pushing a town pr comes at huge risks. I'd push any vt over DGB. Vt are just easier to push in every single possible way.In post 3494, JacksonVirgo wrote:I'm at a 2/3 scum pile. Infinity/Noraa appeared to be pushing the same agenda where Mark is not. I am not sure if scum!Noraa would playing the seperation game to have their buddy succeed in tomorrows LYLO or directly pushing for DGB alongside their buddy. That's my current read in a nutshell
I came in today and immediately voted. That is not scum!me. Scum!noraa is going to come in, test the waters a bit, and then choose a soft spot in the town to park my vote.-
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I've already debunked that you posted 20 minutes apart, you could have not been online to coordinate a hammer so that's wrong and manipulative tbf. You expect me to have an explanation for where the N2 kill went? How am I supposed to know more than you, I know I have a clear on DGB and am making reads accordingly scum likely cross-killed to secure an easier elim on Vax.In post 3514, Infinity 324 wrote:
Hmm?In post 3510, JacksonVirgo wrote:Noraa continues to contradict themselves. And I've already said why Guillo was likely Town regardless of the roleblock.
Me and mark absolutely could've hammered if we were the scumteam so that's not a possibility.
JV, I still don't think you have an explanation for n2 that makes sense. Noraa could've easily been roleblocked, meaning that DGB would have a fake guilty on her. So no killing or killing flea are immensely stupid if DGB is town and noraa is scum.-
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Didn't you say that you didn't think Momrangal's reads were right, which was DGB/Mark iirc. Why say you agree with them now?In post 3519, Noraa wrote:
Probably mark atm.In post 3512, JacksonVirgo wrote:ALso @Noraa. Which of Infinity/Mark do you think is scummier-
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I'm probably ready to just speed-yeet Noraa just out of spite. I'm thinking Infinity/Noraa tbh as I don't think DGB claimed if they've used all their shots and would be afraid of being blocked in a LYLO kill.-
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Did you mean to quote this?In post 3527, DrippingGoofball wrote:
I did not roleblock anyone last night.In post 3523, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Didn't you say that you didn't think Momrangal's reads were right, which was DGB/Mark iirc. Why say you agree with them now?In post 3519, Noraa wrote:
Probably mark atm.In post 3512, JacksonVirgo wrote:ALso @Noraa. Which of Infinity/Mark do you think is scummier-
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This is the crux of why Noraa is scum here.
Noraa LAMIST's and says that DGB is confirmed scum as they were not hammered in a 1v1. They said specifically that them and DGB were in a 1v1.
I clear DGB, and say mechanical reasonings as to why they're not a scum roleblocker. Noraa unvotes here
I call them out via their own logic saying that Noraa is the scum within the 1v1, Noraa retracts saying that it doesn't apply both ways when it does.
Infinity pushes that Ascetic makes sense.
Noraa begins to push the 1v1 again, even though if it doesn't apply to Noraa it doesn't apply to DGB.
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The rest were "WTF"'s and "YoU wOuLdNt TaLk To YoUr ScUmReAd LiKe ThIs"In post 3531, Noraa wrote:In post 3525, Noraa wrote:In post 2405, DrippingGoofball wrote:I am a regular roleblocker.Ok I didn't remember seeing this but apparently they lied about their claim earlier.
Misrep, that was a response to being asked if they were a Jailkeeper/Alien or regular roleblocker
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I want to start with Vax.In post 2491, Infinity 324 wrote:Does anyone disagree that we win if we lim me, noraa, me, and vax?Had to point this out. If vax flipped town that day, we would've speed yeeted guillo the next day so this actually looks really bad. + town RBer would want guillo dead over vax
I HAVE EXPLAINED THIS MANY TIMES WHY GUILLS WAS LIKELY TOWN, yet you keep IGNORING IT-
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In post 3533, Noraa wrote:
Ur bad and thats really all I have to say here :/In post 3532, JacksonVirgo wrote:This is the crux of why Noraa is scum here.
Noraa LAMIST's and says that DGB is confirmed scum as they were not hammered in a 1v1. They said specifically that them and DGB were in a 1v1.
I clear DGB, and say mechanical reasonings as to why they're not a scum roleblocker. Noraa unvotes here
I call them out via their own logic saying that Noraa is the scum within the 1v1, Noraa retracts saying that it doesn't apply both ways when it does.
Infinity pushes that Ascetic makes sense.
Noraa begins to push the 1v1 again, even though if it doesn't apply to Noraa it doesn't apply to DGB.
They're acting opportunistic as all fuck and their read is no deeper than the kiddie pool.
+1In post 3534, DrippingGoofball wrote:This is another example of scumNoraa exploiting a townie's naturally shifting reads and doubts and painting them as scummy, while in fact consistent, linear reads are a scumtell.-
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I don't recall who DGB was heavy scum-reading prior to N2. Also maybe the cross-kill was accidental, this is a WIFOM argument.In post 3535, Infinity 324 wrote:
JV listen to me. Say you're me and you're scum with noraa. You're going into n2. DGB is a town RB and it SRs noraa. In what universe do you no kill or kill flea? If there's a missing kill and noraa is blocked then she gets guiltied AND we lose our NK. It makes zero fucking sense.In post 3521, JacksonVirgo wrote:
I've already debunked that you posted 20 minutes apart, you could have not been online to coordinate a hammer so that's wrong and manipulative tbf. You expect me to have an explanation for where the N2 kill went? How am I supposed to know more than you, I know I have a clear on DGB and am making reads accordingly scum likely cross-killed to secure an easier elim on Vax.In post 3514, Infinity 324 wrote:
Hmm?In post 3510, JacksonVirgo wrote:Noraa continues to contradict themselves. And I've already said why Guillo was likely Town regardless of the roleblock.
Me and mark absolutely could've hammered if we were the scumteam so that's not a possibility.
JV, I still don't think you have an explanation for n2 that makes sense. Noraa could've easily been roleblocked, meaning that DGB would have a fake guilty on her. So no killing or killing flea are immensely stupid if DGB is town and noraa is scum.
Fair point about the mark thing I guess, but it seems like I could've just waited another 20 minutes for mark to arrive but /shrug
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You were the only one that was reciprocating my read. What are the chances killing scum was blocked twice in a row, while a killing role does a kill was my logic from earlier. Go back to see it in more depth, you saying you forgot it when it was your logic too is concerningIn post 3540, Infinity 324 wrote:JV why was guillo likely town despite the RB? I missed it
pedit: I am not voting DGB. Make a case on Mark-
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In post 3308, Infinity 324 wrote:Said it before and I'll say it again, I'm 90% sure DGB has to be town based on setup spec.
I misremembered from these.In post 3319, Infinity 324 wrote:Because people are ignoring it lol-
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That's depressing lol, I'll wait then I guessIn post 3553, Noraa wrote:
No I need to read a lot of stuff. also I'm bad at casing so its gonna take me a while.In post 3549, JacksonVirgo wrote:@Noraa can you be quick with the Mark read. I don't want to waste time-
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Then who do you think is the solve? Or is it Mark via PoEIn post 3559, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm not gonna make a case on mark, I don't think he's been scummy this game.-
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It takes like a minute to make a generalized case, even if it's from memory.In post 3574, Noraa wrote:
I mean I have to sleep in like 2 hours. And the deadline is like 7 days. If you really want those hours back, we can ask for a deadline extension later.In post 3573, JacksonVirgo wrote:I'm not going to willingly let 48 hours pass by, condense it at least into a general paragraph or two and make the larger one later.-
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In post 3566, Noraa wrote:I wrote this with bias and pretty snarkily. I know my role pm is green and am being sassy as fuck about it and I realize it might come off as super shady. Jacko, try to read this with an open mind and with a null not scum read on me. Don't confbias yourself into a town loss bc trust me, you will make us lose by confbiasing.
I'll try and keep a level head.
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Now that I've brought that back up. Why does the 1v1 only apply to DGB being scum and not that you are if DGB is not? Don't say that you know that you're Town as that doesn't change anything from an outside perspective as anyone can simply say that. This is LYLO, all scum needs is a successful elimination within a 1v1 which you were actively pushing. Because if you continue to say that it's a 1v1 with DGB and that it doesn't work the other way around, it wasn't a 1v1 to begin with.-
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See I am torn between who Noraa's partner would be out of Mark/Infinity. The latter seems likely if they were trying to push an agenda hard, the former seems a little less likely if they were pushing an agenda to win today but if Noraa was trying to set up Infinity and play the long game that would make it the perfect case. I don't know what the fuck to think and I hate being in this position and I thought it would be way fucking easier with a clear but I evenjuststarted to have some doubts about that now to be completely honest when I just thought about me getting pocketed hard, the only one I am currently most confident in is that Noraa is just the most likely scum in the group so I'll probably end up voting there. I am still going to wait for the Mark case as I could be following a blind tunnel, if DGB is scum pulling the wool over my eyes maybe it is better to leave the direct 1v1 and eliminate within the other 1v1 (Infinity/Mark) so that when I die tonight, assuming I do since who else would, you will have the fully confirmed public knowledge of my check instead of some paranoia of a DGB/JV partnership if that still exists. Although since there's almost certainly one scum within Noraa/DGB they could both be and eliminating in Mark/Infinity might be a straight loss. FUCK-
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I don't think any of the cases any of you are making is from scum!DGB more than town!DGB. And I don't think they would have made the bus/gambit early D1 if they weren't prepared to do so and by their actions, I don't think they were pushing a scum agenda and thus wasn't a bus and thus isn't scum. Scum Ascetic doesn't seem to fit this role list, it shows no real use outside of a direct counter to my role which doesn't seem like it's really needed as my role is weak and anti-town to begin with. That in addition of thinking there's no scum roleblocker and that N1 kill did not happen leads to a Town!DGB. And if there's no scum roleblocker and they are claiming Roleblocker with a block on Gills N2 and not me, means that my visit actually hit DGB and thus they are Town. I'm not letting baseless paranoia make me lose a 1v1, so I am treating DGB as almost confirmed Town for today I think and thus eliminating one of Noraa/Infinity/Mark today no questions. If you think DGB is scum with one of the pair, make a case on both but I'll likely just vote one of the trio. If you think I am doing confbias to TR DGB then feel free to say something but that still means scums within the trio and thus make a case on them. Trying to solve three is much harder than solving 2 from your perspective.-
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Where did I say that, I've been pushing you to make the case on Mark.In post 3584, Noraa wrote:
so instead of pushing who I think is scum, I'm supposed to sit around and twiddle my thumbs?In post 3581, JacksonVirgo wrote:all scum needs is a successful elimination within a 1v1 which you were actively pushing.-
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I have been thinking that, part of my paranoia but I don't think it fits in this role list.In post 3586, Noraa wrote:Why does it not occur to you that DGB might be ascetic goon?-
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Where did Watcher come from?In post 3591, Noraa wrote:
scum ascetic directly cancels out Tracker, watcher, MD, role cop, ur thing(slightly forgot what it was), and fruit basket. wdym????In post 3587, JacksonVirgo wrote:Scum Ascetic doesn't seem to fit this role list,did you just slip.
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I have been pushing you to make a case on Mark and that I don't want to elim DGB today and to elim the other scum and solve them tomorrow knowing my results, I haven't been saying don't push anyone. I want to solve everyone not just the tunnel between you both. I am thinking of the bigger pictureIn post 3592, Noraa wrote:
you say all scum needs is an elimIn post 3588, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Where did I say that, I've been pushing you to make the case on Mark.In post 3584, Noraa wrote:
so instead of pushing who I think is scum, I'm supposed to sit around and twiddle my thumbs?In post 3581, JacksonVirgo wrote:all scum needs is a successful elimination within a 1v1 which you were actively pushing.
you make it sound like town wouldn't be pushing anyone here. like bruh wtf.-
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MAKE YOUR CASE ON MARK. I don't really care about anything else you are constantly posting so much shit when you can stop wasting time and just make the goddamn case.
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I never said scum-slip. I just said slip. I was lowkey hoping you were gonna claim Watcher here lmfaooIn post 3600, Noraa wrote:
I dont know and no that was not a fucking scumslip.In post 3594, JacksonVirgo wrote:Where did Watcher come from? did you just slip.
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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I'm going to say this as blunt as I can, if you take it as an insult then I apologize but I'm not going to beat around the bush as this is my thoughts. If anyone expects me to eliminate my clear simply because you have a conspiracy theory that they're an Ascetic just because an Ascetic would fit thematically you are literally insane. Actually, I just remembered that the Motion Detector got a positive result on them, meaning they simply aren't.-
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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As in if a protective doesn’t claim they’re clear, otherwise I could have been blocked and it’s less of a clear.In post 3648, Marky Mark wrote:
I don't quite follow sorry? I'm probably being dense here, but why would you outing an inno on DGB affect what scum were claiming, esp as most slots had claimed by that point anyways?In post 3645, JacksonVirgo wrote:I skimmed as I have to work. Mark I held back the claim because I didn’t want scum to make a claim based on my result as obviously if they didn’t the pool is of three instead of four.-
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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Standard roleblocker albeit unlikely still can explain it tbfIn post 3659, Marky Mark wrote:
Surely it's the opposite - if DGB is goon or 'standard' scum RB then JV must be lying about visiting them and surviving given his weak modifier?In post 3657, Noraa wrote:If DGB flips something funky, I would consider Jacko could be scum.-
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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