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Before I go do a run down of everyone I was skimming, and looking at this post.LlamaFluff wrote:
Ergh, again lets map out some situations to show you how your argument stalls outXtoxm wrote:And my suggestion did (does) make copius sense, as his presence, if town, move the day we reach lylo forward by one. So lynching him is no loss AT ALL. Either that, or he is scum. But for some reason you guys don't like it.
D1 - I get lynched
N1 - town killed
D2 - Random town lynched
N2 - town killed
D3 - random town lynched
N3 - game over with town dead
This plan puts us at D2 with no information to go on whatsoever D1 and two town down. This also will lose the game if you are town since D2 you would need a miracle to talk your way out of lynching me, and basically leave us needing three straight scum lynches to win. All this with no vigs
Now lets look at it my way
D1 - random town lynched
N1 - town killed
D2 - random town lynched
N2 - town killed
D3 - my restiction no lynches us or town gets lynched
N3 - game over
This plan still leaves us with two mislynches to spare, and thats it. Unlike lynching me first, there is no backlash on town who votes me that would let scum drive at least one mislynch, and maybe win the game flat out.
The ONLY difference is if you want three town mislynches or two with a no lynch. With the second plan, town would know who scum was D3 with high likelyhood too, meaning that a no lynch opens doors for a vig picking off scum.
Plan two is much better by my planning, it provides us with much more to go on, and more information for the power roles. I still dont know if you are misguided town or not, but I dont like your defense of goborage. If you paid attention, my case on him was not completely dependant on him thinking im scum for my role. It has to do with how he is pushing the thought.
llama, are you making an assumption about the number of scum in this game?Talk nerdy to me.
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Evil monkey makes me do a recap:
General note: ghostwriter and kloud, your avatars are too similar.
Post 4: Goborage quotes a line from family guy.
Post 14: Thinktank makes a reference to the evil monkey
Post 15: restfermata accuses babygirl of being killer stewie in drag
Post 16: llamafluff votes goborage for post 4, which he cites as character claiming. llama fluff also tells us his vote is useless.
Thoughts: As far as I could tell, goborage was merely quoting a favorite line from family guy... it was a joke and not a character claim. At least that is how I took it. Thinktank and restfermata make similar jokes/character references, but llamafluff does not have a problem with their comments.
Llama -- why didn't you have a problem with thinktank or restfermata for bringing up characters?
Post 35: IG comes in and makes a random vote on kloud and does not comment on the excitement going on with llama saying he doesn't have a vote. Why come in with a random vote when it seems that the game is moving out of the random vote stage, and there is something more meaty to comment on?
This post sort of bothers me. The indirect reference to being a townie. Sort of forced.Goborage in post 42 wrote:Anyways as a townie it is my duty to scrutinize your every move LF.
I don't fault goborage for being curious about your voting restriction, and I don't agree that it is inherently scummy to ask questions. I also think it's pretty interesting that you think that other players might have this voting problem, yet nobody has chimed in an said they also have the same problem. If llama knows about his problem, I assume anyone else with the same problem would know and might have said something by now.llama in post 43 wrote:Labling me scum for having a vote restiction is in itself scummy though, not a town action. Given rule 12 I doubt im the only one with this problem too. My attempts to end RV stage over this seem futal
kmd makes some good posts with 51 and 55. He says voteless player brings us clsoer to lylo just like a mislynch does, so you don't want to llama just because he has not vote, unless you really think he's scum.
xtoxm thinks we're better off lynching llama because he's useless without a vote. This causes, llama, kloud, and dalt, to vote xtoxm in quick succession. I'm not sure I feel about the speed of the wagon. But I do think xtoxm is looking at the lynch a little wrong. Even if llama hurts the town by having no vote, I'm not sure it's a good idea to lynch him unless we think he's scum. Especially since we haven't looked at very many other players today. It seems like xtoxm is pushing the lynch not because he thinks llama is scumm which sets off lots of alarm bells.
xtoxm - do you really think llama is scum and why? Or do you just think the town is better off without him no matter his allignment?
IG: What was sneaky about it? What was sneakier or worse about dalt's vote than the others?IG post 65 wrote:Unvote, Vote Dalt
Seemed like a very sneaky attempt at trying to get more people on Xtoxm's bandwagon.
xtoxm: can you elaborate why you find the claim scummy? Was it timing or something else?xtoxm in post 74 wrote:My point about LF is that he is either an anti-town role, or full blown scum. If he was 100% cleared then I wouldn't want him lynched, but he can be scum. So I think this makes him a very good day one lynch. I did not say I think LF is town, but I want him lynched anyway. I've found his claim to be quite scummy, actually.
Post 79: llama talks about the specific of how his restriction works. I'm wondering, do we know everything about how the voting restriction works? Is there anything else you can tell us -- without giving away role info (that's not what I'm looking for)? I guess what I'm really wondering, will you have this voting problem every day? Could it be lifted?
I actually agree that it is a policy lynch since it seems to me the main reason you want him dead is not because of how he has played, but just because you think the restriction hurts the town. If there are other reasons you find him scummy, please elaborate.Xtoxm wrote:
It is not a policy lynch, I never said that and you are putting words into my mouth now. Please don't.Well xotxm is the scummiest in my book right now, earning him my "vote", and I look forward to hear some more from him on his policy lynch.
And what more are you expecting me to add about my reasons for wanting you lynched?
Post 97: Goborage reappears. His absense is a bit suspicious to me since he was part of the original argument with llama about claiming. Once suspicion turns to llama, goborage disappeared.
xtoxm: Why do you think gobo is town?xtoxm post 118 wrote:I don't think gobo is scum, he looks very good to me.
And my suggestion did (does) make copius sense, as his presence, if town, move the day we reach lylo forward by one. So lynching him is no loss AT ALL. Either that, or he is scum. But for some reason you guys don't like it.
Also, xtoxm, you don't seem to be looking at anyone else as scum. What are your suspicions?
It sounds like you think he's faking it. It also sounds like you think he's not mafia, as you think the claim is a "good way of getting the mafia to avoid night killing you." So either you think he's a SK or town. If you think he's town, you should be against his lynch. Are you? And if you're thinking about SK at this point in the game, it makes me wonder if YOU are mafia, because I usually see mafia worried about SK early (at a time when town are just thinking about catching scum, not telling SK from mafia).IG 125 wrote:The only concern I have with Llama's role at the moment is that it could be a very good way of getting the mafia to avoid night killing you. After all, if it benefits them in LYLO then why would they kill you when they could kill someone else and possibly get lucky?
Conclusions: I have a lot of questions and things I would like to discuss. I am suspicious of goborage for disappearing after putting suspicion on llama. I am suspicious of xtoxm for not looking at any players besides llama as scum. I am suspicious of llama for calling out goborage, but not thinktank or restfermata (although I think this point is more minor than the others). But I think I'm most suspicious of IG for random voting in the midst of a meaty argument, then saying dalt's vote was "sneaky." I agree it was shameless bandwagonning, but it was not sneaky. I also don't like the last post that I quoted.
I am very open to discussion though... so please comment on the stuff I have brought up.
unvoteuntil I decide who deserves my vote most. I'm leaning IG, but I want to hear responses from people I've put questions to.Talk nerdy to me.
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I agree that the third vote on one person in one page with no reasoning does look bad. If you had said you didn't like the wagoning, or explained it like you did above, I would have totally understood. It's the fact that you characterized it as sneaky that I don't like. Because I don't think there was anything secretive about it. It was all out there.Inspector Godot wrote:
Xtoxm had just had a lot of votes put on him in a short amount of time. To come in and add another without even posting any of your own reasoning, just quoting someone else, seems bad to me.elvis_knits wrote:
IG: What was sneaky about it? What was sneakier or worse about dalt's vote than the others?IG post 65 wrote:Unvote, Vote Dalt
Seemed like a very sneaky attempt at trying to get more people on Xtoxm's bandwagon.
I don't understand what you were saying then. Because you said you are concerned about llama faking a restriction to avoid mafia NKing him. If you think he's town, why would this concern you?IG wrote:
I'm not sure if he's faking it or not. If he is then it rules him out of being Mafia in my book. I hadn't even thought of a SK being in this game. The fact that you added that whole SK spiel at the end of your post is duly noted.elvis_knits wrote:
It sounds like you think he's faking it. It also sounds like you think he's not mafia, as you think the claim is a "good way of getting the mafia to avoid night killing you." So either you think he's a SK or town. If you think he's town, you should be against his lynch. Are you? And if you're thinking about SK at this point in the game, it makes me wonder if YOU are mafia, because I usually see mafia worried about SK early (at a time when town are just thinking about catching scum, not telling SK from mafia).IG 125 wrote:The only concern I have with Llama's role at the moment is that it could be a very good way of getting the mafia to avoid night killing you. After all, if it benefits them in LYLO then why would they kill you when they could kill someone else and possibly get lucky?
Overall, you've raised some good points about some people but I'm not really convinced yet.Vote elvis_knits
What I mean is -- if you think a townie has found a way to avoid a NK, why would you dislike that?Talk nerdy to me.
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I've never played with lovers before so I think I have to do a little reasearch on how it all works. But I don't think we should lynch either of them. I didn't think BG was scum before, and this is really helpful to semi-clear xtoxm. I know we can't be 100% sure, but it makes me basically put him down as town.Talk nerdy to me.
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Ok so I may have been a bit over-zealous with the whole clearing comment. It seems if they know each other's allignment they would be called siblings, and lovers by definition do not know each other's allignment.
But I still don't think it's a good idea to kill either today.Talk nerdy to me.
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OMGUS much?reborn537 wrote:EBWOP - my typo probably made things unclear at the end.
My answers are in bold. There doesn't seem to be a case here, just an attack on my suspicions of LF followed by a vote on me. I'm looking at you as scum partners nowFoS StDTalk nerdy to me.
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I'm pretty sure farsidemod is being ruthless about prodding and replacing players. I don't think lurking is an issue in this game. If you disagree, who do you think is guilty of it?Kmd4390 wrote:All I can think of is that in a game like this, experienced scum will often lurk because so many other players are doing it so they can get away with it.
On this topic, I do think that scumtells exist. I also think that scum try to avoid them. I also think town try to avoid them. But I think the one of the main challenges of mafia is that it is really hard to avoid all scumtells even when you are aware of them. I have often played a game as scum and been like... "why do I keep doing that... doh!". But as to STD saying you should explain why something is a scumtell in any given situation, I definitely agree. Because more information is better. Often more is gained from the discussion of such things.We are barely getting any information from this.
Entirely WIFOM. Scum excuse scum tells by calling them too obvious and saying scum would never do such a thing.Save The Dragons wrote:You can't just say something's a scumtell.
1. I think scum try to avoid scumtells.
2. I think town try to avoid scumtells.
3. I think people play how they're gonna play.
4. I don't see how you can accuse an action as being a scumtell without clearly explaining why, in this case, it is a scumtell. Scumtells must be one time only things, because if you think about it, anything that is a scum tell instanly becomes not a scumtell, since scum will avoid it.
Are you trying to say that I am lurking? I only replaced in this game a few days ago. Have I not participated enough for you?
trying to look active much?elvis_knits wrote:
OMGUS much?reborn537 wrote:EBWOP - my typo probably made things unclear at the end.
My answers are in bold. There doesn't seem to be a case here, just an attack on my suspicions of LF followed by a vote on me. I'm looking at you as scum partners nowFoS StDTalk nerdy to me.
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You're my favorite.elvis_knits wrote:But as to STD saying you should explain why something is a scumtell in any given situation, I definitely agree. Because more information is better. Often more is gained from the discussion of such things.Talk nerdy to me.
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Scum don't always have safe claims. The fact that you're bringing this up makes me wonder if you KNOW that mafia have safe claims because you're one of them.RestFermata wrote:What is the advantage of breadcrumbing in a theme game, where scum often have safeclaims anyway? Sorry, this is just a strategic question from a newbie.Talk nerdy to me.
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I think IG voted me because I was attacking him but hadn't voted him yet. It was a pre-emptive OMGUS, if that even exists lol. Also a way for him to try to discredit my points against him.LlamaFluff wrote: IG seems be speculating and fishing quite a bit about my restriction and the cleveland issue. There are no solid conclusions though regarding these things, leaving them at "Im not sure" allowing movement to any side of the issue as needed later on. After the lover claim, in two consecutive posts he speculates about a scum lover.
In his aggressions IG right now has EK for previously mentioned reasons (which I have a hard time finding) and me for being overzealous? Can you explain each of those a little better, especially how you are attributing me being overzealous to me being scum. The EK vote bugs me when it was cast too as EK "made some good points". Making good points is something that I naturally attribute to a town tell, maybe this was just due to having no other suspects at the time though.
I think his vote on me is suspect because it is solely based on what dalt did. And dalt posted 5 times the whole game (one was a confirmation). Yes, he did bandwagon xtoxm without giving his reasons. BUT, 1)he was not the only person bandwagoning, and 2)he flaked on the game, so maybe that's why he wasn't giving a lot of input. All things considered, I think that the charge of bandwagonning would have to be combined with other things to actually merit a vote. It just seems too thin at this point in the game. I can't understand how dalt voting xtoxm and not giving reasons is THE SCUMMIEST thing in the game at this point. I can see how some people would be suspicious or see it as scummy, but I don't think it's reasonable to think it's the scummiest.Talk nerdy to me.
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The point is that since scum don't always have safe claims, nobody should know if they do have safe claims unless they are mafia. You bringing it up makes it seem like you know they do.RestFermata wrote:I didn't say they always have safeclaims. I don't know much about how often they have safeclaims, but I've read some minigames, such as Roald Dahl Mafia, where they had safeclaims. Honestly I was just asking a strategic question. I thought I made it clear that I said that scum OFTEN have safeclaims IN THEME GAMES. I wasn't even necessarily talking about THIS theme game. I was asking about the advantages of breadcrumbing in a theme game where scum often have safeclaims. I guess I should have known that asking this would paint a target on my ass, but I'd still like to know the answer.
I think it's mostly the same advantages as when there are not safe claims. For scum or town, they both want the same thing... It can help people believe your claim. It can help them trust you even before you claim (if they pick up on your crumb and believe you). But it can also backfire and get you lynched or NK'ed. So it really depends on the role and how much you think is good to risk.What is the advantage of breadcrumbing in a theme game, where scum often have safeclaims anyway?
On the topic of safe claims, I'm not generally too scared of them. Many times the safe claims the mafia have are second tier characters, so that's one way of helping to evaluate if it's real or not. Also, you have to put more faith in how they've been playing rather than their claim.Talk nerdy to me.
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Did you already point out where you think IG does this? I'm curious because I don't think I saw it. Usually scum don't advise each other during the day since they can talk at night...RestFermata wrote:I think my reasons for my vote on IG are pretty sound. His posts do little to help the town, and almost seem to be advice to scum half the time.Talk nerdy to me.
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I know this is sort of stupid for me to be grilling you over your suspicions of IG since I am also suspicious of IG. But when did you start being suspicious of him? I have this feeling that you only started talking about him after I attacked him... which makes me uneasy.Talk nerdy to me.
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I'm trying to decide whether I want to vote IG or KMD more. I also want to look at reborn. I'm not sure what I think of him, but since he has 2 votes I want to see if it's something I could agree with. We're getting close to deadline so we've got to reach a consensus. I'll try to vote later today to help move things along.Talk nerdy to me.
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Well I disagreed with you about BG even before her claim. But I do think your reasoning was okay -- the point about her bandwagoning almost everyone is not horrible reason to vote a person. Just the fact that I had a different read on her despite the fact of her bandwagoning. So that reason is sort of "meh."Kmd4390 wrote:
Reasoning please?elvis_knits wrote:I'm trying to decide whether I want to vote IG or KMD more. I also want to look at reborn.
But I guess the main reason is that I didn't like that you criticized me for calling reborn's vote an OMGUS. It reads to me like a subtle defense of reborn. Do you think reborn's vote was not OMGUS? Why were you looking to criticize me over that?Talk nerdy to me.
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Do you realize that STD voted reborn, reborn FoSed STD, and then I called it OMGUS? None of those people were attacking me, so I wasn't defending myself.Kmd4390 wrote:
You could have defended with more than 2 words.elvis_knits wrote:I am not sure I understand you. What does "the fact that there was a case on you" have anything to do with it?
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Is this your case on thinktank?Inspector Godot wrote:
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I do look bad, but think has gone under my radar for some time and I want people to remember him if I am lynched.Talk nerdy to me.
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IG... there's no need to vote for people you are "just trying to make sure he's either remembered or posts more." You vote for people you think are scummy. You vote for people you want to die. Otherwise it's really fishy. Because you're not using your vote to get us closer to a lynch. We're on deadline.Inspector Godot wrote:
I'm not serious about lynching him, I'm just trying to make sure he's either remembered or posts more. It seems like things are going the second way.reborn537 wrote:Thinktank, I happen to think the case on you is utterly weak to the point of ridiculousness. If BG hadn't claimed lovers with Xtoxm my vote would be on her right now because of her opportunistic waggoning onto you.
IG, please explain to me if you were serious about thinktank or if this was some kind of elaborate ruse/gambit?
And reborn... why are you calling IG's vote "an elaborate ruse/gambit"? What do you think the elaborate ruse/gambit could be?Talk nerdy to me.
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Characterizing it as that is pretty inflamatory.reborn537 wrote:
I wasn't calling it that, I was asking if it was.elvis_knits wrote:And reborn... why are you calling IG's vote "an elaborate ruse/gambit"? What do you think the elaborate ruse/gambit could be?
If personA made a weak case "to catch scum hopping on a weak wagon," I would assume personA was scum. I don't like it when people set traps, and find that mostly scum set traps, or excuse their scummy play as "setting a trap -- not serious!" So that kind of thing would not fly with me.reborn wrote: In this case the gambit would be making an incredibly weak case on someone and then seeing if anyone waggoned onto the weak case. For example, as BG did. It's something I encountered in a recent game. The object of such a gambit would be to catch out opportunistic people looking for an easy wagon.
Like I said, if BG hadn't claimed lovers I'd be going for her now because of the waggoning onto TT.Talk nerdy to me.
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STD, could you repeat or summarize (or point me to appropriate post) your pizza case on reborn? I remember reading your summary post and catching some stuff on reborn, but not really understanding why he was your number 1.Talk nerdy to me.
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I didn't see much of a case on reborn from your previous post, but this is an argument that I agree with. Attacking LF for making four votes seems very thin. It seems like reborn is making a mountain out of a molehill. Not even a molehill. More like an anthill.Save The Dragons wrote:
Here's what you've said about LlamaFluff's votes, and I wish I had said this earlier.
1. A vote in the random voting stage. I commend LF on having something to say instead of "Let me roll a die. It landed on 6. Clearly Steve is scum."reborn wrote:1) Gob (for thinking of character claiming - this after ONE Cleveland quote I might add, and right before he full claims his role)
2) Xtoxm (let's face it, this is pretty OMGUS, although I'm not sure I like Xtoxmm that much myself)
3) Ghostwriter (post 100... trying to make sense of this... go and look back, I guarantee headache)
4) unvotes a couple of posts later (post 104, but who's counting?)
5) Back on goborage (basically because goborage was afk I think)
2. Xtoxm was suspicious, as you said.
3. I'll give you this one, I don't really know where he's going.
4. I think he was correcting a mistake he made, but he can speak for himself on this issue.
5. Yes, because goborage was his top suspect. Wow. He's going back to his original suspect.
My god, four votes? One of them in the random voting stage, so three total up to this point in the game? Can anyone legitimately tell me that four votes in 12 pages in a game is wishy-washy? Hell, I've voted more than four times in this game, even if you ignore Crub's votes. You accused him of wishywashy-ness, I say you're accusation is full of crap.
My general feeling on LF is that after being attacked early he keeps lashing out against anyone who accuses him. He's acting very OMGUS-y. And I know that OMGUS can be a scum tell. BUT I also think it's natural for someone who feels they are being unfairly attacked to fight back. They obviously don't agree with the attacker and so they think the attacker has ulterior motives and is thus scummy. I have been in LF's position and I know that it can be hard to sort scum from misguided town, and find yourself doing a lot of OMGUS. I also think some of his arguments are not spectacularly well-thought or explained. But I'm not sure any of it is necessarily scummy.
And I do think that reborn was piling onto LF with BS reasons in the above quoted area.
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Bleh.unvote reborn
I'm thinking maybe this is when we consider lynching llama. I have to go look if I think anyone else deserves to die. I have this idea that kmd gave me a twinge somewhere but I don't really remember why. I will have to go and look.
If we can't think of anything better, I say llama.
Also, if people really want to lynch me, let me know why and I'll discuss it as much as I can before deadline. I don't think xtoxm has given me anything to respond to, so I am ignoring him.Talk nerdy to me.
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I never thought that llama was necessarily townie besides the voteless thing. I think he left that open-ended. So I don't think it conflicts with his play.LlamaFluff wrote:You know what I am going to get wagoned here so its probally time for me to claim as well. I amPeter: Mod-Bastardized JOAT.
Unlike the normal JOAT I have no controll over what ability I use, just my target. When I use a specific action instead, I lose my role but can vote. This night I can confirm IG with a specific action.
I'm not sure I understand what you wrote about your ability though. "When I use a specific action instead, I lose my role but can vote." You lose your role??
Also, you say you can confirm IG. Don't you mean you can confirm or convict? Are you expecting him to be innocent? Do youknowhe's innocent?Talk nerdy to me.
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Peter being absent seems ridiculous.Xtoxm wrote:I think he might be scum who was told Peter is absent.
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Your role does make sense. I have to say I thought you were going to claim meg since I remember someone speculating that meg might have no vote because nobody listens to her.Talk nerdy to me.
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I'm pretty sure that llama said that he can choose a specific action but then he loses his power from then on and becomes a regular townie WITH a vote.Xtoxm wrote:Voteless Townie.
So if he does a specific action tonight he will come to us tomorrow as a regular townie. He will have a vote.Talk nerdy to me.
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That's really scummy for you to say.Kmd4390 wrote:
I'm tempted to throw a vote on EK almost out o process of elimination and fear of a no lynch with all of the claims. This post looks like an attempt to shift a wagon elsewhere before EK's has a chance to pop up.elvis_knits wrote:Good posting.
Anyone want to lynch restfermata?
I addressed anyone who wanted to vote me/lynch me. I said that I want to discuss in any way and be as helpful as possible. Xtoxm never gave any reasons, and as far as I can tell, neither has anyone else.
I voted RF because it was my next best choice. Am I supposed to not vote anyone because I want to be fair to the people who might want to vote me? I have to keep going and voting for who I think is scummiest. That's obviously not me.
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MILLER lovers? Is that a joke? Because I don't remember you saying that before. Also think it's scummy because you never mentioned it.Xtoxm wrote:
Well. Unless BG fakeclaimed. But I figured it was one of those things Farside threw in to game being broken by claims etc.What the hell. Honestly. Who in the series loves Bonnie other than Joe? Now this is getting a tad bit confusing as hell.
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I'm not sure if I'm lynched yet. In case it helps at all, I will claim.
I am Chris, SimpletonWhich amounts to vanilla townie. So if I have to die today I guess it's not the worst that could happen.
Also, I made a reference to the evil monkey in my summary post because Chris is the one who is constantly tormented by the evil monkey.
Oh and I think kmd is scummiest now because of reasons I wrote in 635.
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I see that xtoxm, GW, IG, RF are all voting for me. I think KMD means to vote for me from his comments. Technically L-3, but I consider it L-2. With the deadline and all, I figured I should claim ASAP if I am the highest vote leader. You disagree?Talk nerdy to me.
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Normally I would agree with you and not even bother to claim anything if I was vanilla, but I do have a character, which changes things, I think. How would scum know to claim Chris?Talk nerdy to me.
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I know but I was thinking that all vanillas would be Chris, and so it would make a difference.
But maybe that's stupid. Do you think there would be other vanillas with a different character?Talk nerdy to me.
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Why is it dodgy?reborn537 wrote:Sorry, that's just the way it goes. I'd rather lynch a dodgy vanilla claim than risk drawing out another power role.
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Maybe you should, since vanilla is the best thing for the town to lose if it's gonna lose something. I am sorry for claiming as it looks like I miscalculated there. I normally don't claim as vanilla but I thought it would be different here.Xtoxm wrote:Ugh. This game is getting really quite confusing.
And I have no idea who to think scum is now...Pretty certain she's real cos that's not a clever thing to do if you're a scum that's about to die.
I guess we should lynch her anyway.
If I'm gonna die soon I would like to say a few last words. I think you should look at kmd tomorrow, as his latest attack on me was complete speculation, framing my actions in a scummy way that is very WIFOM.
I also think you should look at GW for piggy-backing onto STD's scum list and not seeming to have a mind of his own.
I have previously thought thinktank was townie, but I am starting to see his as not contributing enough and voting almost blindly. I see him as a toss-up now, but I think he needs to be pressured in the future and not allowed to skate through this game without contributing.
Also, I noticed xtoxm is modding a lovers game. It seems like an odd coincidence that he got a lover role in this game. Coincidences do happen and I don't know why scum would even lie about having a role like that. So I don't knwo if it's likely at all that he's lying. Pretty unlikely, actually. But I just want that bit of info out there.Talk nerdy to me.
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I always assume that all vanillas have the same role. Maybe that's stupid. But that's what I thought.reborn537 wrote:
I think all vanillas are Chris! Do you agree Reborn?elvis_knits wrote:
Why is it dodgy?reborn537 wrote:Sorry, that's just the way it goes. I'd rather lynch a dodgy vanilla claim than risk drawing out another power role.
I understand if you have to lynch vanilla on principle. But I don't understand why it's dodgy.
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I was talking about vanilla roles.reborn537 wrote:In a theme game based on a tv show there will only be one of each character. At least, I hope that's true or we could have some mad Stewie on Stewie action going on around here.Talk nerdy to me.
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Why were you disappointed to see me claim? It seems like (at least at that point) you thought I was town, and believed my claim. Otherwise you would not have been disappointed to see me claim.reborn537 wrote:I can't believe you've claimed. Did you even count the votes on you?Talk nerdy to me.
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I thought we could lynch someone else in 3 days.
But I am fine with longer. I just thought it might satisfy the game and the mod as a compromise.
But if you think it means my death, I will change and request flying solo during farside's vacay...Talk nerdy to me.
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It sounds like you're really a slave to the conventions of mafia and don't evaluate things on a case by case basis. Which is exactly why STD wanted you dead earlier. It might just be your playstyle, but you're not looking at things on an individual basis... you're spouting knee-jerk MS conventions of play.reborn537 wrote:
No, I thought you'd claimed prematurely because at that point I thought there were only a couple of votes on you. I was wrong.elvis_knits wrote:
Why were you disappointed to see me claim? It seems like (at least at that point) you thought I was town, and believed my claim. Otherwise you would not have been disappointed to see me claim.reborn537 wrote:I can't believe you've claimed. Did you even count the votes on you?Talk nerdy to me.
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At the very least I think reborn considered me town when I first claimed. Otherwise, why would he have disliked the fact that I did it early (early in his estimation). He seems to think I did something wrong and harmful to the town by claiming then. He seemed to dislike the fact that now I would have to be lynched.
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How did you go from asking people their reasons for voting me because you saw no case on me, to thinking I am extremely scummy?
reborn537 wrote: I knew that several people thought you were scum, although they refused to tell me why. Considering the fact that more people think you are scum than there are likely to be scum in the game, a couple of them at least are genuine townies with genuine reasons on you. That's why I moved my vote to you.reborn wrote:I think EK is the right play because she is extremely scummyTalk nerdy to me.
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This comment is not helpful at all. Most of us are running around trying to question each other and figure out how we feel about others, while you are just sitting there and complaining and not helping us get any closer to a lynch. In fact, you're implying that it's futile for us to even try.RestFermata wrote:God, this is basically a really painful, drawn-out version of a mass claim. And guess what! I bet everyone's going to claim pro-town! Surprise! Guess there are no scum in this game, case closed.
Don't you have any other comments about what has been happening the last few pages?
If you think some of the claims have been false, which ones? Why?
I do not like this post at all. Coming in here complaining instead of helping. Also offering no information about what she thinks. Her comments have the effect of stopping discussion and making people feel like they shouldn't even try. Instead, a pro-town player should be trying to find scum and trying to build momentum, not stopping the momentum.
I don't think the amount of claims we have had is necessarily bad for the game. Maybe some people are lying and forcing them to claim now increases our chances of catching them in a lie later. Faking a power role is really not that easy. They will have ot give results, and it is easy to make mistakes. Also, for me, if anyone still thinks I am lying about townie, there are ways I could be caught if I am scum. Cop or a tracker could bust me if I'm lying (maybe other roles too). So getting scummy people to claim is a good thing, and increases our chance of catching scum later.
Also, outing this many power roles may mean we lose one tonight. But maybe there are A LOT of power roles and one would have probably died anyway. We don't know. It might not be that bad. And with a lot of town power, we will still have more power roles left.
AND, I think it's stupid to stop scum hunting because you're afraid to out more power roles. If you've made some power roles vulnerable, you have to make that sacrifice worth something by trying to lynch scum.
I have used the "let's not out any more power roles" argument as scum because 1)I didn't want too many semi-confirmed people pile up because it would just add to the list I HAD to kill; and 2) scum think it makes them look pro-town.
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dalt hardly did anything. He made like 3-4 posts, so you can't seriously think that after 30+ pages of mafia, and all everyone has posted, that dalt "did enough to be lynched." dalt was guilty of bandwagoning without giving reasons. When he was originally voted, most people just wanted him to give reasons. He flaked on the site, so he didn't have a chance. You can't say that is definitively scummy.reborn537 wrote:EK - I think the bulk of my suspicion on you comes from dalt rather than yourself. Dalt did enough to be lynched just on his own, and your vanilla claim holds no WIFOM with me.
After the amount that I have posted, it's really crazy to rely on the three posts that a flaker made.Talk nerdy to me.
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D1 is not a total botch. I'm telling you: this many power roles claiming does not favor scum. I've been on the other side of this. Pretend everyone is telling the truth. When power roles claim and they don't get lynched, it means you have to kill them at night. And you can only kill one each night. Meanwhile the others are coming back with results. Best case, they confirm an innocent (which makes another you have to kill at night). Worst case they have some kind of evidence against you, which makes you dead in the water.
AND, we don't know what other roles are out there. There may be a cop or a doc or both. Which scum really need to find and kill ASAP. So if they kill from the claimed roles, they are not killing the potential cop or doc. And if they take a shot in the dark to try to kill a potential cop/doc, they are not killing the other power roles which may come back with info.
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You still haven't explained why you aren't scum hunting or adding to the discussion.RestFermata wrote:It's nothing but a joke, and a frustrated one at that. You're definitely reading too much into it when you say I'm implying that our efforts are futile. But I'm not too shocked that you saw something in it, since you definitely seem to be blowing every little thing I say way out of proportions, like the whole safeclaim bonanza (but interestingly, when xtoxm says a similar thing and reborn says the EXACT same thing I did, it's somehow not as suspicious.) But I've got to get ready to go now. I'll have more content after classes are over today.Talk nerdy to me.
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There's a lot of complaining going on here. I'm not sure what RF, STD or reborn hope to accomplish by complaining and calling this game a farce and a botch. It just makes me want to stop posting. Which we can't afford to do.
Re: my point about xtoxm modding a lover's game -- I know it's a far-fetched gambit, and I admitted it's probably nothing. I just noticed it, saw it was aweird coincidence and couldn't stop myself from commenting.
Re: lynching lovers -- probably not a good idea today. I'm leaning town with xtoxm, and unsure about BG because of the lack of content.
Re: some of my meta comments -- I assume STD means when I said kloud wasn't posting in the game but browsing the forum. I stand by it because 1)It's scummy not to be active in the game near deadline 2) It made him post almost immediately upon being called out.
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I pretty much agree. I only said it on the off chance. Like one in a million. I don't know why I even bothered, but I couldn't help myself.Xtoxm wrote:EK, the thing about me modding a lover game is really crap.
I think I just felt the need to bring it up because you hadn't brought it up yourself, which I think would be normal. You might have spoken of your interest in the role, or some ideas you have about how it should be played because of the game you're modding.
Out of curiousity, do you have any insight about how you think it should be played? If we think one of you is scum, when would be a good time ot lynch you? That sort of thing.
I didn't mean for it to be this tangent that distracts the whole town. It was just something I felt the need to say, and now I have to keep talking about it because people keep bringing it up. Does anyone think I had some ulterior motive in saying it? It's just something I threw out there.Talk nerdy to me.
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