3d20 – The Great Board Game War [GAME OVER]

[Dwlee99]

So mad I didn't get what I rolled

[Dwlee99]

At least I got shuffled a mason role
VOTE: Kyo/vote]

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Kyo

[Dwlee99]

I'm the fifth name my dude

[Dwlee99]

So let's get to the good stuff. Did anyone's first die roll cult?

[Dwlee99]

Also in general people should claim if they rolled an anti-town first number.

[Dwlee99]

The person with the scum parity cop role rn:

Spoiler:

[Dwlee99]

I rolled a town multitasking parity cop, so if a role cop checks someone with parity cop, the multitasking one is town, and the not multitasking one is scum (assuming Kyo is telling the truth and neither role got changed)

[Dwlee99]

12, 8, 14 were my numbers

[Dwlee99]

In a mafia game?? No way

[Dwlee99]

Mara Kyo dwlee townblock
VOTE: MegA

[Dwlee99]

Stay the course on mega

[Dwlee99]

James you're going to get nowhere trying to sort Cyrus by his opinion on PGO.

[Dwlee99]

I don't understand

[Dwlee99]

I don't understand

Do you not think it implies he didn't end up as town?

Either from the "can't answer this" when there was nothing to answer, or from the "yet" implying he has some impressive revelation to reveal later in the game.

Cyrus is just like that idk

[Dwlee99]

This setup would be more interesting if we got our own rolls tbh (and is actually what I thought was going to happen when I signed up)

[Dwlee99]

Are we just made claiming what we all rolled

I want people to claim alignment and role only if it's anti-town, but Kyo wants people to also claim roles.

[Dwlee99]

Regardless of alignment*

[Dwlee99]

Cause I solved the game

Mega is evil

[Dwlee99]

All of mega's content rn is mech spec and no solve so scum found.

[Dwlee99]

Would I do that to you Cyrus?

[Dwlee99]

Just don't soft a investigation role on my partner and I won't kill you lol

[Dwlee99]

[Dwlee99]

Did anyone roll VT

[Dwlee99]

It's cause I always roll town.

[Dwlee99]

If I was cult leader I don't prompt finding out if there was a cult.

[Dwlee99]

If I was cult leader I don't prompt finding out if there was a cult.

WIFOM - if you are leader, you know that town's aware of you anyway.

Ah but I would have realized THAT if I was cult leader and wouldn't have said the other thing :^)

[Dwlee99]

I'm guessing the mod changed a bunch of alignments.

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee can we get clarification on why you claimed to have rolled Multi-tasking when based on your numbers you actually rolled a Rampaging.

The second question is harder and I'll be much more lenient following this, why did you claim a Mason role before anybody outer their role? This would allow all anti-town people to potentially lie about originally rolling Mason.

For now until I get their answer:
UNVOTE: cyrus62
VOTE: Dwlee99

I'm sorry I've accidentally referred to you as he in previous posts, I'll make sure that it won't happen again and I'm sorry for any potential offence caused.

I didn't actually roll a mason type role, it's a long-running joke with Kyo. As for the multitasking/rampaging thing, I may have looked at the list wrong, I'll double check.

[Dwlee99]

Okay I misread something I guess. 14 is rampaging

[Dwlee99]

Also ftr my role hasn't been claimed as a role so if people claim modifiers maybe I can figure out which of yours mine is

[Dwlee99]

bruh my last game together u were scum lol

I was dog town wdym

[Dwlee99]

T3 I want your James townread explanation cause I feel like he is spending his time finding LHF or weird non-AI stuff to scumread people for. Messing up what modifier I rolled isn't scum-indicative but James thinks it is worthy of a vote.

[Dwlee99]

T3 I want your James townread explanation cause I feel like he is spending his time finding LHF or weird non-AI stuff to scumread people for. Messing up what modifier I rolled isn't scum-indicative but James thinks it is worthy of a vote.

He is absolutely set in his ways of tunneling cyrus.

Did you read the last page

[Dwlee99]

Saying I'm mason is also not AI

[Dwlee99]

I think that the mod likely changed alignments of some of the roles because 11v2 wouldn't be very balanced

[Dwlee99]

Not necessarily cause five roles had at least one dice changed.

[Dwlee99]

Ye I rolled a 14 for modifier but somewhere in my brain I thought multitasking

[Dwlee99]

Updated and fixed list, in chronological order:

These are the current roll claims, who made them, and the post they were made in:
Ssbm_Kyouko - [13, 8, 1] Mafia Parity Cop with no modification - 25
Dwlee99 - [12, 8, 14] Town Parity Cop with a

Rampaging

modication - 34
Marashu - [1-12, 8, 7] Town Parity Cop with an Even-Night modification - 37
MegAzumarill - [19, 17, 20] Cult Bus Driver with a Reroll Twice modification - 57
JamesTheNames - [6, 10, 7] Town Tracker with an Even-Night modification - 64
Cyrus62 - [7, 7, 1] Town Paranoid Gun Owner with no modification - 72
T3 - [1-12, 14, 5] Town Voyeur with a Multitasking modification - 139
Thor Ragnarok - [1-12, 19, ?] Town Roleblocker with an unknown modification - 167
Redtea - [14, 6, 20] Mafia Fruit Vendor with a Reroll Twice modification - 171
Nero Cain - [1-12, 9, ?] Town Rolecop with an unknown Modification - 226
SirCakez - [1-12, 9, 20] Town Rolecop with a Reroll Twice modication - 268
Dragon of the West - [1-12, 5, ?] Town Neighborizer with an unknown modification - 322
Robert M Hunter - [2, 19, 3] Town Roleblocker with no modification - 344

Can we get who didn't claim modifiers to claim modifiers because I'm trying to figure out if someone lied in their claim

[Dwlee99]

Can we get who didn't claim modifiers to claim modifiers because I'm trying to figure out if someone lied in their claim

The because strikes me as weird.

Why?

[Dwlee99]

It seemed like to me he's just saying that he has a role that someone rolled

I'm saying my role isn't what that someone claimed and if my modifier also doesn't match up to a claim then we know someone lied because only one dice can be changed by mod in someone's role.

[Dwlee99]

It seemed like to me he's just saying that he has a role that someone rolled

I'm saying my role isn't what that someone claimed and if my modifier also doesn't match up to a claim then we know someone lied because only one dice can be changed by mod in someone's role.

No this is why people weren't supposed to claim if something matches exactly - if scum rolled your role and lied about it they now know what you have

It's possible that my role is someone's cause modifiers not claimed and also scum don't know if other scum have lied but good point.

[Dwlee99]

Quick warning, waiting on mobile and laptop repairs, so my post quality will decrease as I'm posting from my PlayStation's web browser.

If this is true mad respect. I remember when I sometimes posted from the DS web browser.

[Dwlee99]

I mainly pointed it out so that I wouldn't be given shit later whenever I end up claiming and people inevitably say "that isn't on the list!"

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee can you slay RMH with me?

Sure maybe

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Nero
We do a little pressuring

[Dwlee99]

All of those are NAI except maybe that my role isn't on the list...

[Dwlee99]

14 is a joke I have with Kyo. 159 is just referencing a game I played with Cyrus where he was softing he would investigate my mafia partner so we might killed him. I always say 199. And then just that my role isn't there

[Dwlee99]

James actually has done nothing but blow hot air about NAI things being AI even after it's explained (Cyrus being Cyrus, my mason joke)

[Dwlee99]

^
VOTE: James

[Dwlee99]

Do I need to go and quote what I'm talking about?

[Dwlee99]

Subject: Mini Theme 2222: Open Draft Mafia Mafia Thread

I think we should heavily consider killing Cyrus for his investigation claim.

[Dwlee99]

I'm mason
VOTE: SSBM_KYOUKO

I'm mason
VOTE: SSBM_KYOUKO

and your partner is?

Saudade

[Dwlee99]

But I also caught you so that counts for something I'd think

[Dwlee99]

Your entire thing about "oh there's no guarantee it's a joke" is just bad

[Dwlee99]

If you were actually town, 371 and 551 would narrow your role for scum, why would town do this? They wouldn't. 590 seems like a poor excuse for this.

I wanted people to know the list had lies and I'm like 99% sure if I claimed during mass claim instead of right then I'd be killed for not being on the list. I didn't really think about scum knowing what they lied about but they also don't know if part of it was rerolled or not

[Dwlee99]

Yooo happy birthday

[Dwlee99]

@dw where are your thoughts this game should we be aiming for scum 1st or cult leader 1st ? for me i think cult leader then scum but i anit sure cult gets a kill .

It's obviously best to aim for cult leader because their recruit is worse for ratio than a night kill is, but hitting cult leader specifically is tough. So just like kill who we think is scummy (like James)

[Dwlee99]

don't really like Dwlee's James vote

James is forcing his reads by saying non-AI stuff is AI

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee why were you so strongly for a MegA elimination earlier toDay? I didn't really see anything at the time but was more focused on rolls

There wasn't really a good reason I just wanted to make a wagon

[Dwlee99]

don't really like Dwlee's James vote

James is forcing his reads by saying non-AI stuff is AI

like what?

His Cyrus read and his read on me.

[Dwlee99]

@dw where are your thoughts this game should we be aiming for scum 1st or cult leader 1st ? for me i think cult leader then scum but i anit sure cult gets a kill .

It's obviously best to aim for cult leader because their recruit is worse for ratio than a night kill is, but hitting cult leader specifically is tough. So just like kill who we think is scummy (like James)

so with that aside do you think my roll got fudged i mean i thought 7 7 1 was fair and i gave a little edge not much of one but a slight one.

I don't think there is a huge reason a PGO would need to be fudged but it's possible.

@dw how good are you at poker?

I'm alright at it. I have good days and bad days but don't play for money. On average I'd say I end up ahead.

[Dwlee99]

Wouldn't someone with a miller-like modifier claim it early? But regardless, I can see what you're saying but think James is more solid lim but this is partially motivated by feeling bad about Robert always getting limmed

[Dwlee99]

Mechanics are the most interesting parts of mafia

We should kill you for having such a bad take.

But real talk I do think mech is boring and I try my best to avoid mech heavy/complicated games. It's null but scum do use heavy mech talk to hide behind

Vote him

[Dwlee99]

I am not sure James is scum, cliff notes dw?

James pushes non-ai stuff as AI

[Dwlee99]

What's your case on someone

[Dwlee99]

Why did you come up with a whole reasoning for James scum then unvote zzz

[Dwlee99]

I'm pretty sure it's just fake confidence

[Dwlee99]

Like how easy is it for scum to just "scumread" two people for stupid reasons and then pass it off as "genuine" to be townread? Answer: very easy.

[Dwlee99]

I'm pretty sure the only reason we know there is probably a cult is because I asked for it to be outed.

[Dwlee99]

Im just gonna claim cause scum apparently might know my role and it's semi-confirmable if y'all think it is a good idea

[Dwlee99]

I'm pretty sure the only reason we know there is probably a cult is because I asked for it to be outed.

ummm no someone rolled cult bus driver.

And I asked for people to claim if they rolled cult.

Could be your role was rolled by the actual cult leader as well so consider that before claiming.

I mean, I don't see how that changes anything here cause it means scum knows my role and town doesn't.

[Dwlee99]

I mean sure but I'd probably at least hope the person who rolled it didn't say anything if I was cult instead of asking for it.

[Dwlee99]

Also "conftown" can be culted

[Dwlee99]

You didn't give thoughts on James besides not liking that I voted them

[Dwlee99]

You didn't give thoughts on James besides not liking that I voted them

Is this @ me?

Yes

[Dwlee99]

James is prety much a loctown for the above. He has no reason to say that he knows in the main thread if he is scum.

Bad reason

[Dwlee99]

Cyrus everyone is a PR

[Dwlee99]

There's like a 1 in relatively large number chance of someone being a VT. It's possible but sort of unlikely

[Dwlee99]

Okay Cyrus

[Dwlee99]

honestly, I didn't know who I wanted to vote for. A few niggles here and there but nothing I felt super strongly about. So I decided to plop my vote down on a do-nothing Thor that's joke claiming goon. He then joins a growing T3 bandwagon which I did not like.

Cyrus then asks me why I'm voting a claimed town pr. So I jokingly said that I was CCing him.

your post is kinda dumb and it aggravates me.

The joining bandwagon thing is what made you misread gamma in the large that just ended. Do you think it's different from there or nah?

[Dwlee99]

Has James said anything about who he thinks is scum since I've called out what he was doing with saying non-AI stuff is AI?

[Dwlee99]

I don't have any cult specific pings on anyone so I would rather just kill any scum we can.

[Dwlee99]

Why not James

Same though

[Dwlee99]

I am voting James right now Cyrus why don't you also vote James if you think he is bad

[Dwlee99]

I feel like the way that James is sort of just hands off not interacting with me despite apparently being his cult leader read is bad

[Dwlee99]

I think we are very unlikely to hit cult leader and rn you're voting town which is worse than voting out mafia.

[Dwlee99]

@Cakez

[Dwlee99]

Well I've said things since then and it seems like you're tiptoeing around not interacting with any of the things I've said until I directly called you out for doing so. Your read on me is still bad and you didn't reevaluate after I explained how none of the things you said even make sense. Like you still seem to think that me jokeclaiming mason is scummy despite me showing how I do it whenever I play with Kyo now (which she also backed up). That you are stubborn and unchanging in your reasoning for reading me makes me think you're not actually trying to sort me, you just want to look like you're solving.

[Dwlee99]

Gamma do you know what your predecessor's dice roll was? Did Cook send it to you?

[Dwlee99]

Unrelated

[Dwlee99]

People think it is me in part because I asked for people to claim what anti-town roles they rolled.

[Dwlee99]

James said he was on the list I think

[Dwlee99]

Taking 391/400^13 to get the chance no one is VT it is ~74.4% for no VT

[Dwlee99]

T3 I want to keep playing with cakes still. What are your new thoughts on James?

[Dwlee99]

Why why why why

[Dwlee99]

James has been tunneling and doing Stuff

Please read my posts on that and my recent posts about what he has been doing lately.

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee what's your confidence on your James scumread?

It's the strongest lead I have so probably about 60%

[Dwlee99]

Do you think word vomit is townie? I think more likely to be scum due to his reaction to my push. I think he has started playing way more cautious as a reaction to my push on him and hasn't done any real solving since my initial push on him.

[Dwlee99]

If it was single ball with this many cops it might make sense to no lim but I think the existence of a cult means we need to be limming.

[Dwlee99]

I understand it is hard to post from that situation but have your reads not changed at all lately?

[Dwlee99]

Who should I vote then?

[Dwlee99]

What did you think was scummy about mega?

[Dwlee99]

Also totally onboard with policying Thor because I'm kind of annoyed with the "I'm going to play anti-town as town cause I can get recruited." He did it as town before so he could be town here but I don't really want to play with that schtick again.

[Dwlee99]

Well we have to consolidate somewhere and I guess it's not gonna be James at this point?

[Dwlee99]

I will do James/Cyrus/Cakez (with a bit of sadness) or Gamma

[Dwlee99]

Cult is probably a bigger threat to mafia than town assuming cult leader dies at some point.

[Dwlee99]

I want to be a in a hood if that's an option

[Dwlee99]

Now you have dw reasons are as follows he basically went off harder then I have seen him in recent games.

What does went off mean

[Dwlee99]

If there is a cult it isn't gamma

[Dwlee99]

If cult doesn't exist gamma is just some other evil role.

[Dwlee99]

Cakez can you claim

[Dwlee99]

Win lose or draw I want cooks to do this setup again but next time every keeps what they roll lol.

If cook doesn't I might host one.

[Dwlee99]

Hopefully someone kills me so you stop thinking I'm cult leader

[Dwlee99]

Don't want to e-1 before claim but I'll be here before deadline

[Dwlee99]

Cake claim ?

[Dwlee99]

My rampaging modifier probably got modified to odd-night so then there's an odd-night and even-night parity cop. I buy it. Who are we wagoning? We don't have much time

[Dwlee99]

I could have sworn rolecops see modifiers

[Dwlee99]

Wiki

The Role Cop sees the player's role as of the start of the game; thus, in the case of an X-Shot role, the Role Cop would be told how many shots the role started with, not how many shots currently remain.

[Dwlee99]

Can't figure out if Kyo thinks she knows how to pocket me ATP or if we are just both town. Would prefer not limming there cause I think I'll have a good read later in the game

[Dwlee99]

It would say Backup X

[Dwlee99]

I am not PGO

[Dwlee99]

I am not PGO

you think that role got fudged if so town have nothing to worry about expect cult and scum. when checking people.

Thor claimed PGO

[Dwlee99]

My heart isn't in Cyrus lim but my brain is empty and I don't know if we can switch gears fast enough

[Dwlee99]

Is there time to go for James?

[Dwlee99]

I'd like Cakez to get a night action off that he can give us or get nightkilled

[Dwlee99]

What is happening

[Dwlee99]

Wait did I just accidentally catch Cyrus lol

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Cyrus
Cyrus looked at the list where I had said multitasking instead of rampaging by accident but he forgot that it got changed to rampaging and tried to say he was the multitasking one

[Dwlee99]

These are the current roll claims, who made them, and the post they were made in:
Cyrus62 - [7, 7, 1] Town Paranoid Gun Owner with no modification - 72
Dragon of the West - [1-13, 5, ?] Town Neighborizer with an unknown modification - 322
Dwlee99 - [12, 8, 14] Town Parity Cop with a Multitasking modication - 34
JamesTheNames - [6, 10, 7] Town Tracker with an Even-Night modification - 64
Marashu - [1-13, 8, 7] Town Parity Cop with an Even-Night modification - 37
MegAzumarill - [19, 17, 20] Cult Bus Driver with a Reroll Twice modification - 82
Nero Cain - [1-13, 9, ?] Town Rolecop with an unknown Modification - 226
Redtea - [14, 6, 20] Mafia Fruit Vendor with a Reroll Twice modification - 171
Robert M Hunter - [2, 19, 3] Town Roleblocker with no modification - 344
SirCakez - [1-13, 9, 20] Town Rolecop with a Reroll Twice modication - 268
Ssbm_Kyouko - [13, 8, 1] Mafia Parity Cop with no modification - 25
T3 - [1-13, 14, 5] Town Voyeur with a Multitasking modification - 139
Thor Ragnarok - [1-13, 19, ?] Town Roleblocker with an unknown modification - 167

The multitasking parity cop shouldn't exist because I didn't actually roll multitasking, I rolled rampaging.

[Dwlee99]

But town multitasking parity cop doesn't exist

[Dwlee99]

Like unless cook changed an even-night or a rampaging parity cop to a multitasking one (which wouldn't do anything???) your claimed role just doesn't exist.

[Dwlee99]

But you just said you looked at the list and that you were the multitasking one on the list, so you must have thought that the multitasking parity cop was on the list to claim it right then.

[Dwlee99]

I think the parity cop functions by selecting two people in a night?

[Dwlee99]

There's variants that compare two people rather than getting a number and I think cook said somewhere the games use the former.

[Dwlee99]

Parity Cop's unmodified ability is "At night you may send me the name of a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn if your target's alignment matches your previous target's."

Okay NVM, Cyrus is just lying.

[Dwlee99]

...

[Dwlee99]

I mean if you're town I can sort of understand because I rolled rampaging and thought it was multitasking, but also I don't think this was the same mistake because it was in your role pm not in a list you had to look at a number for.

[Dwlee99]

Can other people vote just to make sure it's hammered?

[Dwlee99]

Does recruit go through even if remaining cult would be sole member left?

[Dwlee99]

That's if the person culted dies not if the person who culted dies. So I'm thinking maybe PL Thor on chance Cyrus lied about roll or Cakes targeted them hoping they'd live to end game on "conftown" status.

[Dwlee99]

Scary thought, though. Cakez culted someone else, then voyeured the PGO.

But why

[Dwlee99]

If I was CL I would never target Thor there but idk if I can extrapolate that to Cakez play.

[Dwlee99]

Oh cool, then one scum faction down lol

[Dwlee99]

Rampaging makes sense if mafia have a rampaging kill and targeted James and cakes tried to recruit James.

[Dwlee99]

Targets everyone who targeted their target as well

[Dwlee99]

Is Thor really the PGO

[Dwlee99]

where are dragon and dwlee when you need them

What do you need?

[Dwlee99]

If I'm certain, based on Cyrus's meta, that within his first three stated scumreads, one of them will be his partner,

Have played with Cyrus, p sure this is wrong

[Dwlee99]

where are dragon and dwlee when you need them

What do you need?

who do you feel like voting today. What're your reads. We're going in circles and im dying

I'm not really sure. There's a lot of words. Probably don't want to kill Kyo though

[Dwlee99]

Nero, if you're town here I'm sorry I'm being such a bad member of your fan club.

@Dwlee - do you have any opinions on Nero?

Nero is probably not scum with Cyrus but I'm not sure if this is TvS like you think. Why do you think that?

[Dwlee99]

Can you explain why Kyo!scum?

[Dwlee99]

DW what do you think about Marashu? We could kill that if you really don't want to do SSBM. Same q @ Gamma and DOTW.

I don't really have any opinion on Marashu. I guess with Kyo my question for you is do you think that she is scum with Cyrus? We could have another groupscum but I doubt it. Maybe an SK but I don't think another groupscum.

[Dwlee99]

Like what is up man, you don't seem to be pushing anywhere or think anyone is scum

Yea that's certainly a problem isn't it

[Dwlee99]

You know what they say, day one red flip = loss. Except when it doesn't.

[Dwlee99]

I just haven't put a lot of effort into this game today, sorry my guy.

[Dwlee99]

I'd be cool with getting Kyo into a claim maybe?

[Dwlee99]

I'd be cool with getting Kyo into a claim maybe?

What is the strategy behind this request?

If scum locked in claim is bad for them

[Dwlee99]

EoD weird from Cyrus partner so would need to be different scum faction imo

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Thor
Sure

[Dwlee99]

Why is tomorrow mass claim?

[Dwlee99]

Or we just lim Thor because I don't think he is doing anything anyway.

[Dwlee99]

anti-fun incarnate

True

[Dwlee99]

If gamma is town then there is probably another 3p other than cult, yea.

[Dwlee99]

I guess we will find out tonight.

[Dwlee99]

Can we ensure we get a lim off before deadline?

[Dwlee99]

Why is marashu dead and why is t3 back alive

[Dwlee99]

Quick moment of appreciation that the mafia is Settlers of Catan btw. That game is evil. People have been assaulted over it

[Dwlee99]

Yea I'm waiting to see if anyone has results. I do not

[Dwlee99]

Rolecops should not claim what roles they saw people with because that tells people they can't fake claim before they try to.

[Dwlee99]

I think people should just go in order of scumminess. Most scummy claims first. The least scummy claims last. Each person full claims everything they have.

[Dwlee99]

There are problems with every strategy: your strategy tells people they can't fake claim if their real role shows up on a role cop. If I'm a mafia parity cop or something then if a role cop says they saw a parity cop I know I can't fake claim something other than town parity cop.

[Dwlee99]

Are you saying you want me to claim now or?

[Dwlee99]

Okay that's a guilty though so maybe we halt mass claim?

[Dwlee99]

You should say who got that role since it's a guilty

[Dwlee99]

Paging Nero?

[Dwlee99]

I'm complex jailkeeper. Didn't target either night cause I didn't want to interfere with investigatives and didn't feel strongly enough to risk it trying to roleblock scum or protect a night kill.

[Dwlee99]

Without CC I think I trust Nero's claim cause it's on the list from flipped town.

[Dwlee99]

Can bus driver not self-bus here? @cook

[Dwlee99]

Updated and fixed list, in chronological order:

These are the current roll claims, who made them, and the post they were made in:
Ssbm_Kyouko - [13, 8, 1] Mafia Parity Cop with no modification - 25
Dwlee99 - [12, 8, 14] Town Parity Cop with a

Rampaging

modication - 34
Marashu - [1-12, 8, 7] Town Parity Cop with an Even-Night modification - 37
MegAzumarill - [19, 17, 20] Cult Bus Driver with a Reroll Twice modification - 57
JamesTheNames - [6, 10, 7] Town Tracker with an Even-Night modification - 64
Cyrus62 - [7, 7, 1] Town Paranoid Gun Owner with no modification - 72
T3 - [1-12, 14, 5] Town Voyeur with a Multitasking modification - 139
Thor Ragnarok - [1-12, 19, ?] Town Roleblocker with an unknown modification - 167
Redtea - [14, 6, 20] Mafia Fruit Vendor with a Reroll Twice modification - 171
Nero Cain - [1-12, 9, ?] Town Rolecop with an unknown Modification - 226
SirCakez - [1-12, 9, 20] Town Rolecop with a Reroll Twice modication - 268
Dragon of the West - [1-12, 5, ?] Town Neighborizer with an unknown modification - 322
Robert M Hunter - [2, 19, 3] Town Roleblocker with no modification - 344

Quoting for as I think about the mech stuff

[Dwlee99]

So Nero's roll or SirCakez roll (assuming he told the truth) would be possible for Redtea's claim. Marashu's roll confirms the existence of an even-night parity cop, so unless there's a CC I believe Nero.
We live in at least one of the following worlds: redtea scum, Nero scum, or 3p bus driver exists. Idk what to do with that exactly

[Dwlee99]

I'm town Rampaging Parity cop. I targeted Kyo both nights. N1 she got no visitors. N2 she had one visitor visible to me, and that visitor had a different alignment than Kyo. Kyo is claiming she was roleblocked. Obviously if that's a lie, she's scum. If that visitor was Mara, then Kyo is scum because Mara flipped town. If that visitor was Gamma, then gamma is scum because they're the only other roleblocker and they're lying about targeting RMH.

The possibility of a bus driver muddies things, but I think it's most likely that Gamma is scum and lied about being a bus driver. Even if there's a bus driver, we effectively have 2 1v1s. Redtea vs Nero and Gamma vs Kyo and the bus driver couldn't have swapped people in a way that makes both of these 1v1s TvT. I think flipping Gamma is the correct first move because that will help us confirm the existence of a bus driver. If they flip town, then I think it's most likely Kyo is scum.
But I also think Gamma & Nero make the most sense as remaining scum partners

I missed the claims. Did Gamma say they targeted Kyo last night?

[Dwlee99]

I think if town visited Kyo they should claim they did so

[Dwlee99]

Has everyone role claimed?

[Dwlee99]

Mfw I realize that those are all on the list except for me and gamma

[Dwlee99]

Oh and vigilante.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Gamma
I feel comfortable voting here I think.

[Dwlee99]

Well Gamma's role is 4-shot and RMH claimed no modifiers.

Oh hm maybe Kyo is a better vote cause the roleblock could have been Marashu?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Kyo

[Dwlee99]

If bus driver and roleblock then either the 3p role is a combined roleblocker bus driver (not the case) or two people would have visited Kyo, not one. So there wasn't any bus driving.

[Dwlee99]

But bus driver visits both targets to bus them I thought.

[Dwlee99]

Oh hm I wasn't thinking you visited each person that visited, just that the action worked on them.

[Dwlee99]

Okay rampaging as a modifier works reflexively, not directly. So you perform it on the person visiting regardless of them being bus driven. It's like if I visit PGO and I get bus driven I still die to PGO, not the person I got swapped with.

[Dwlee99]

My theory rn is Marashu targeted Kyo and roleblocked her.

[Dwlee99]

That one is much too difficult to figure out.

[Dwlee99]

If we are lucky Kyo flips bus driver serial killer or something.

[Dwlee99]

Okay rampaging as a modifier works reflexively, not directly. So you perform it on the person visiting regardless of them being bus driven. It's like if I visit PGO and I get bus driven I still die to PGO, not the person I got swapped with.

It tells me if the alignment of the visitor matches the alignment of my target.

If Mara got targeted by bus driver and the other bus driver's target was scum, Mara would appear to be scum-aligned.

If Kyo is town and Mara got swapped with a scum-alignment, I'm pretty sure I'd get the result I got: the visitor has a different alignment than my target. That would be a very convoluted thing to happen, but it's not impossible

Bolded is false. The rampaging modifier acts reflexively, which I don't believe can be swapped.

Rampaging is a role modifier that causes all other players visiting the action's target to also be indirectly affected.

Anyone indirectly affected by the Rampage has been effectively Reflexively targeted for the purpose of action resolution.

[Dwlee99]

If what you are saying was true then if I targeted a PGO but got swapped with someone the person I got swapped with would die instead. That's not how it works.

[Dwlee99]

If what you are saying was true then if I targeted a PGO but got swapped with someone the person I got swapped with would die instead. That's not how it works.

Your action doesn't change. It makes the person you're switch with receive the actions done to you and vice versa, following action resolution

Ye. I don't think it makes sense for a reflexive action to target a person that didn't visit the person, but I guess we'll wait for moderator clarification.

[Dwlee99]

kyo were you town or nah