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My vote was purely random. You however imply reason other than random, in this following quote:Rishi wrote:
Meh. Semantics.farside22 wrote: I always thought it was a second vote on someone that was considered a BW.
My point is that Korts was the first to vote Muerrto and then he criticizes me for voting Muerrto. Doesn't that seem strange to you?
There is an obvious difference.Rishi wrote:EBWOP: "I'm always in favor of a good bandwagon. I don't usually jump on random ones.This Muerrto thing has possibilities, though."scumchat never die-
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You declare that you don't usually jump on random wagons. This implies something unusual here, which randomness isn't. Since it's not randomness, it must be some kind of proto- or pseudo-reason.Rishi wrote:What I'm wondering is how you could possibly under any circumstances read this as something other than a joke? What possible reason could I have for wanting to lynch Muerrto? (Other than OMGUS since his random vote landed on me.) You're inferring reasoning from "This Muerrto thing has possibilities"?scumchat never die-
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I don't think I've found scum, I think I've found something that's more worthwhile to take a look at than anything else so far. This reason is far from enough for a serious case or, say, a lynch, but the path to serious discussion leads through pseudo-serious discussion generated by contradictions and such in random stage.
I sometimes try to stimulate discussion in random stage with similar gambits. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be discussed. And coming up with "it was done to generate discussion" is an excuse, basically, even if it's true.
I have no problem with personal attacks, it's just not the time and place. Hey, even I know my sense of humor sucks, imagine how that must suck!scumchat never die-
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I missed farside asking her question. Here's the answer.farside22 wrote:I missed Korts not answering my question. Here it is again.
farside22 wrote:Korts: Question on your last statement. You say the following:
Does this mean you don't think rishi is scum because that is what I'm reading? If not then why change your vote for someone you don't think is scum and leave it as an FOS?I don't think I've found scum, I think I've found something that's more worthwhile to take a look at than anything else so far
I don't think rishi's scum, you're reading it right. However, my vote will go where my arguments go. My vote is a versatile tool which I intend to use in the most versatile ways possible. Starting discussion is but one thing a vote comes handy in.scumchat never die-
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For what it's worth, that post gained Impatient Townie points with me, even if it's giving off the wrong approach.farside22 wrote:
What part was stupid? Who is saying it was stupid? Do you think neither player has a point?fuzzylightning wrote:Alright well I think a lot of what just happened seems to be very immature and rather pointless. Other than us commenting on how stupid it all was, I don't really think anything important was gained from it. Now hopefully we can move on to some more helpful discussion rather than bickering.scumchat never die-
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Basically tha fact that he expects more from discussion instead of trying to go with it.farside22 wrote:
What is the difference between impatience townie versus impatience scum?Korts wrote:
For what it's worth, that post gained Impatient Townie points with me, even if it's giving off the wrong approach.farside22 wrote:
What part was stupid? Who is saying it was stupid? Do you think neither player has a point?fuzzylightning wrote:Alright well I think a lot of what just happened seems to be very immature and rather pointless. Other than us commenting on how stupid it all was, I don't really think anything important was gained from it. Now hopefully we can move on to some more helpful discussion rather than bickering.scumchat never die-
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let's stop quote pyramids.
So what I meant was that he thought that this was not proper discussion, which implies a desire to move further. I may have read too much into it, though, on second thought. You're right, that post's basically a substitute for real contribution.
@fuzzylightning: how do you intend to start proper discussion? What is your opinion so far?scumchat never die-
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cool, I didn't notice the "disable smilies" function... I like old school as much as the next man (who, it seems, doesn't exist, 'cos I'm the last man)Rishi wrote:
I like text emoticons. I guess I'm old school.Korts wrote:What I don't understand is how you made that smiley simple text as opposed to a face like this:scumchat never die-
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Panzer's being more than aggressive. The case he made on Muerrto is entirely subjective. Fishing for reactions?
I'm liking Muerrto's reaction so far. However, read on.
fuzzylightning wrote:FoS Panzerbecause you seem to be making a case where there is none. Most of the quotes you are using are from the beginning of the game and that stuff has been put to bed a while ago. You have also made a case against me that was based on life getting in the way of me being on the computer and a stupid mistake. These are very weak cases against two people and you also don't provide much else.
So what is there to make us think you aren't lying, you have just placed a seed of doubt in everything you say for the rest of the game.Another poke not exactly trying to get rishi lynched and you say the obvious "we don't know your role PM so why would you do something to purposly make us distrust you?" Mafia is a game of lies, dude. Everyone is lying. Town - Scum don't matter. Cop is trying to lie and make us perceive him as scummy but not too scummy or just an vanilla or whatever. Scum is trying to be town. Vanillas are trying to scum hunt and not be viewed as scummy.
unvote, vote: fuzzylightning
Why do you object so much to Panzer making a case out of little information? Also, things that have been "put to bed" aren't necessarily going to stay that way. I'm not liking how you're outraged at Panzer trying to show old arguments in a new light. The case on you wasn't very strong, and the case on Muerrto isn't very strong either, but you trying to set both cases up as something to be dismissed without further thought I see as trying to hinder this line of discussion.
Your reaction to the Muerrto-case is smelling strongly of Tarhalindur-style Chainsaw Defense. Either you're partners with Muerrto, or you're trying hard to buddy up, but it definitely warrants aFoS: Muerrto.scumchat never die-
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GiveZombieSlayer54 wrote:
If I did, all it would be would be several paragraphs, all of which say the exact same thing.ashmite84 wrote:ZS, why not pick one or two from your laundry list and give indepth reasons?
I prefer to say something using as little words as needed.somereasons, at least. So we see the thought process and don't think that you're trying to go with the flow/fly under the radar/any such thing.scumchat never die-
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Why don't you try, one, then?ZombieSlayer54 wrote:
When we have information, why in hell is it okay to make a case off of no information at all?Korts wrote:No, I don't. Cos they're making an effort, at least, to get this game in gear. I don't like how you're pushing this. I may even consider voting you.
I can see much, much better ways to get the game rolling than to try to push a lynch on someone who has nothing against them.
unvote, vote: ZombieSlayer
For shooting down other people's attempts at furthering discussion, yet not getting the game rolling himself like he claims he can.scumchat never die-
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This thread has dropped too far down my watched list.
Gorrad, why is disagreement such a bad thing? If we disagree, we candiscussit; if we agree, well, at least we'll be able to come to a consensus.
FoS: Panzerjager
Your vote should be placed somewhere definitely. Deadline is between two and four weeks, but according to the rules, we won't be told exactly when. It is therefore averyanti-town move to unvote and not place your vote somewhere else. Actually, let's make that a vote instead of a FoS.
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ZS, pointing out that there are others who didn't contribute much doesn't change the fact that you haven't, either. As you yourself noted, both of those people are LA, while you yourself are not. Don't act like a complete idiot.
Your protests at being called out for no content and your finger pointing makes me think that you have something to actually hide.
unvote, vote: ZombieSlayer
@Panzer: As far as I understand, we will only be told of the exact day of the deadline on the day that it actually is deadline. That's not a very good thing, and I think it'sveryanti-town not to vote right now.scumchat never die-
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ashmite: doesn't randomvote, votes Grimmy "for a reason" although he never elaborates. Hypocritical vote against ZS with "post some content pls". Calls Muerrto-Panzer argument semantics, implies that both are town--possible buddy-up attempt? Pressures ZS to give reasons. Acknowledges ZS's scumhunting efforts, but fails to unvote when his originally given reason for voting ZS becomes invalid. Names ZS and Panzer as top suspects (both are leading wagons at this time). Express suspicion of Gorrad for "quickhammer". This is my notes on him. I'm leaningscumon him, but I'm interested what the replacement will make out of it.
DBE (formerly Muerrto): Muerrto had been fairly pro-town in his posts, questioning motives and generally scumhunting. I'm not counting the getting personal part with Panzer as a tell either way. DBE, however, enters with a very vague reason to keep her vote on Panzer:
"Pulling threads that have warranted no pulling" strikes me as a very vague and unhelpful comment, since she doesn't cite any examples of this activity. Also to be noted is the fact that she puts hostility (aggressive playstyle is what I assume she means) as one of the reasons for voting, although that in itself isn't a tell either way. Also, she seems to attempt buddying up to ZS. Then some other posts which I'm fine with, and four days of absence later, she comes back with this:DarlaBlueEyes wrote: Panzer has done hardly anything beneficial for the town thus far, except be very hostile and pull at threads that have warranted no pulling and lead pretty much no where.
I feel like she's not contributing enough. Also, she still cites Panzer's play (aggressive I assume is what she alludes to) as the main reason for suspecting him. Her movie claim I can't comment on; excuses herself lurking, RL reasons; fingers Xtoxm as suspicious based on lurking, and repeats that Panzer is her top suspect, yet stays vague on her reasons. I'm currentlyDarlaBlueEyes wrote:Popcorn is fine for me
also don't like the hammer, and I still suspect Panzer by his play yesterday, but I am looking forward to how this all plays out, and what the claims will be.Middle of the Roadwith her, leaning a bit towardsscum.
farside: she's acting unusually pro-town compared to previous games we've been in where she turned town. For this she deserves a finger of suspicion, but there is no case to be made against her; I'm leaningtown.
fuzzylightning: I'm getting atownfeel right now, as opposed to D1. fuzzy seems to be genuinely questioning motives and scumhunting so far as the speed of discussion allows, which is good right now and exactly what we need.
Gorrad: I'm not familiar with his playstyle, but I assume from others' comments that he's not a lurker, which makes me think he wants to be staying in the background in this game. His softclaim makes me think he has some reason for this lurkish style. I think that after ashmite's replacement claims their movie, he should fullclaim, otherwise the town would possibly never learn the basis for calling zoraster confirmed. I'm leaning slightlytownright now.
Grimmy: he's in usual joke-mode, which makes him hard to read; his analysis post is a bit haphazard, but otherwise valid. I'mMiddle of the Roadwith him.
Panzer: his aggressiveness I find is definitely a pro-game thing, although from other users' comments I gather that this is his usual playstyle, so that's definitely a null tell. His procrastination about placing the vote on ZS near deadline D1 is a mild scumtell in my eyes, though. I'm leaning slightlyscumright now.
Xtoxm: his playstyle is generally a bit lurkish, so I'd dismiss that as a scumtell, and otherwise, he's answered questions and posed questions D1, though considerably less so D2. I'mMiddle of the Road, maybe slightlyscum.
zoraster: I feel he's overall null. Actually, he didn't stick out as either town or scum to me all through the game. If he's trying to fly under the radar, he's doing it very well. I will do a PBPA on him soon.scumchat never die-
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