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You do realize you've voted for the same reason she did?MonkeyMan576 wrote:Starbuck's vote was obviously not random, but without good reasoning either. I'm not sure that it's scummy, but I'd be on the lookout for her reasoning on future votes.
This reeks. Not reacting to a poor reasoned vote is not necessarily scummy. In the random voting stages of games, including this one, there are many poorly reasoned votes, often which are not responded to. Does that make all those players scummy? Even after random voting I think reacting in such ways to poorly reasoned votes can be a little bit scummy. You are also deflecting over something minor, which I do find to be scummy.MonkeyMan576 wrote:I think if I didn't react to a poor-reasoned vote, it would be scummy. First you said you voted to create discussion, then you said you voted to get a reaction. I don't think you really know why you voted, and just don't want to admit it.
you can move it on yourself if you feel the need to. What benefit would a town player have of letting everyone else do the work in the game for him? It either gives scum more control over the direction of the game or if scum is the one doing this it allows scum to more easily ride the wagon/case of their choosing without risking getting caught had they tried to start a case themselves; they could just blindly follow a town player who is wrong while simultaneously pushing people toward that case.MonkeyMan576 wrote:Okay, this is just getting stupid. Let me know when you guys want to move on.
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This is beyond hypocritical coming from the person who refuses to engage in discussion. YOU clearly have no interest in discussion if you are just going to disappear and wait for other to change the subject for you.MonkeyMan576 wrote:You clearly have no interest in discussion, just pointing fingers and making accusations. That's why I left the game. You can think whatever you want.
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Town don't know about the possible makeup of the town aside from themselves, and I don't see how sharing town reads on other people gives anything away about a town setup as we don't know anything about the setup. Scum know more about the setup than town do becaus they hve the identites and roles of their buddies, town doesn't have that. Scum know who the "possible makeup of the town" are. Town doesn't, so how is this helping them exactly?MonkeyMan576 wrote:
Either way you're giving scum info about the possible makeup of the town.StrangerCoug wrote:
Please enlighten me on the first part of this sentence.MonkeyMan576 wrote:In my opinion, giving town reads is similar to claiming, and you don't want to give the mafia that kind of info unless you have to.-
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I like my current vote better.
I dont necessarily agree that it leads the scum's kill and I don't think speculation on who scum will or won't kill or why they kill ___ person is beneficial to the town at all. Just because people think that X player is town doesn't mean that they are and doesn't always make that person a valuable kill target. If you disagree on that matter, then we simply disagree, nothing more to it.I'm such a good lover because I practice a lot on my own.-
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Considering the main reasons Starbuck initially went after you are much different than the case currently on you (and the reasons I am voting for you), why do you continue to insist that the people on your wagon are blindly following when they are able to come up with their own individual reasons for finding you suspicious? I have come to my own conclusion. Starbuck is not preventing players from reaching their own conclusions, nor is she speaking for other players to the extreme you suggest; she has simply read the thread and points out what others have said since you seem to always miss it and continue to miss it.I'm such a good lover because I practice a lot on my own.-
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semioldguy wrote:
you can move it on yourself if you feel the need to. What benefit would a town player have of letting everyone else do the work in the game for him? It either gives scum more control over the direction of the game or if scum is the one doing this it allows scum to more easily ride the wagon/case of their choosing without risking getting caught had they tried to start a case themselves; they could just blindly follow a town player who is wrong while simultaneously pushing people toward that case.MonkeyMan576 wrote:Okay, this is just getting stupid. Let me know when you guys want to move on.
He also completely ignores the points brought up against him by me. The only time he even responded (which wasn't even a good or even accurate response) was on the most recent page and I had to specifically point out to him that he was ignoring me. If he thinks my reasons are not good then by his own logic he is scummy:semioldguy wrote:
This is beyond hypocritical coming from the person who refuses to engage in discussion. YOU clearly have no interest in discussion if you are just going to disappear and wait for other to change the subject for you.MonkeyMan576 wrote:You clearly have no interest in discussion, just pointing fingers and making accusations. That's why I left the game. You can think whatever you want.
If you had an interest in discussion, then you could have taken the discussion somewhere else instead of siting by idly and doing nothing except complain.
If not, then he thinks my case against him is good by his own admission. Either way there is a clear contradiction in Monkey's own logic here, as well as in many other of MonkeyMan576's posts. He has done absolutely nothing to defend against the points I bring up against him. He has been a hypocrit in many ways and has been acting scummy in more than one way, none of which has to do with his original vote and reason about the RVS stage.MonkeyMan576 wrote:I think if I didn't react to a poor-reasoned vote, it would be scummy.
He makes attempts to discredit the wagon on him by misrepresentation and making ridiculous claims about it, like people are only following Starbuck, which from my point of view is clearly not the case as I am not simply following Starbuck, but following my own reads which MonkeyMan576 has chosen to ignore all game.
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Did you read my whole post? It doesn't seem like you have, as you missed a good portion of the case.chamber wrote:So to put it shortly, he ran away from the thread then didn't defend those actions? Cause I can see either alignment running like he did, and I wouldn't be defending them either, as it was clearly wrong, as either alignment.
Even if running away is a mistake you can see either alignment making (which is a view we don't share), there must have been a reason why he did it to begin with, which he has refused to give by ignoring these points on him. I find ignoring other players in the game to be scummy. Town should not ignore anyone, because everyone is a potential suspect.I'm such a good lover because I practice a lot on my own.-
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Got back from the hospital last night, caught up in my other games first. Seems like a few pages have gone by here and the votecount on this page suggests a lot has happened. Will be back later tonight or tomorrow morning to read what I've missed.I'm such a good lover because I practice a lot on my own.-
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First instinct is that MonkeyMan’s role is more useful as a scum role. As a town role it makes little sense as the odds are strongly against scum lynches on day one. But if scum get behind it can help them try to catch back up by finding a town power role. I find it strange you refuse to give flavor. The last game when someone said the line “it should be obvious…” about their role it ended up coming from the mouth of a scum role. Assume it isn’t obvious and humor us anyway. If it’s really that obvious it can’t hurt to say it.
At this point people are switching to chamber rather quickly, which I do not agree with. (as I kept reading it also seemed to fade quickly) I don’t find him particularly scummy nor do I agree with the reasons people are using when placing their votes on him.
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Asking questions is only pro-town if you are able to do something with the answers. Otherwise it just gives of the appearance of being helpful without really doing much.
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The speculation that Pixar characters are scum is just that: speculation. It is distracting and won’t get us anywhere in terms of scumhunting. Lynching Starbuck gives no info on the scum role make-up (specifically since you separate this from the potential Starbuck-Crazy scumpair theory)
Regarding this supposed “slip”… why the heck would Starbuck point out a slip that condemns herself to be lynched? Anyone who didn't agree with the wagon on MonkeyMan for his poor play is seriously hypcritical for voting Stabuck based on her poor play.
Starbuck’s claim is more believable to me for her being town than MonkeyMan’s claim. Buzz Lightyear is an amazing vanilla candidate. He’s a TOY. He thinks he can fly but he can’t, he only falls with style. His laser is a little, harmless flashing light.
StrangerCoug is becoming suspicious to me, and maybe you’ll just be one of those players who I always find suspicious, but I really don’t understand your strong town read on me earlier. No one else had a town read on me then, and if I’m being perfectly honest, I would have a somewhere in the neutral read on myself.-
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Scumlist:
Fuzzylightning- Late to the first two wagons before later requesing replacement. Had some strange responses in the thread, many of his posts contain nothing useful. Generally keeping to the background. Overreated to the single vote placed upon him. His Unvote in ISO 13 was strange/scummy as well.
StrangerCoug- Has been on all three wagon so far, and mostly just following on the coattails of others. Partially gut feeling here and also uneasy that he got such a strong own read on me, feels like I was being buddied (since it seemed to wok against me last game).
Jazzmyn- Lots of lurking, has also been present on all wagons (though arguabl not actually a part of the MonkeyMan wagon). When chamber's wagon sways, she comes in with a rather opportunistic vote on Starbuck with not much else to add.
Neutral:- I'm still not sure I believe your claim to be town. I still find you scummy. You essentially claimed the closest thing possible to vanilla and I don't know why everyon think that should save you. Also don't like this claim because if you are town and we lynch town today you are a really easy mislynch tomorrow and two mislynches to start he game is not where I want to be. Leaning scum on you still.
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Brandi- I disagree with a lot of your game assessments, but nothing sticks out as overtly scummy. Neutral leaning possible scum here
Crazy- No solid read here.
YankCane151- Needs to post more, but nothing bad so far.
Gorrad- Nothing too out of the usual from here. But nothing that points to town either.
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Which is why I think it's pointless to discuss and is distracting. I don't know what our mindset is, and it doesn't mke your play less scummy, especially when you've refused to answer questions about your play all game.MonkeyMan576 wrote: WIFOM, much? I don't know what Starbuck's mindset is. It doesn't make her play less scummy.
You self-admittdly have made poor play decisions this game. Unless you've had a change of heart and think your hissy-fit and rage-quit until being prodded was good play.MonkeyMan576 wrote: That's based on your opinion that my play has been poor, which I disagree with.
Not having real power does make someone vanilla, and if you've actually watched Disney movies most of the characters can be considered heroic and thy don't need special powers to be heroic. Case in point: Bolt from last game. He is heroic in the movie. He does not have special powers. He was a vanilla role.MonkeyMan576 wrote: Even if he's a toy, he's still heroic. He saved Woody. And just because he's a toy and doesn't have "real powers", doesn't make him vanilla.
I am admitting to not yet being involved or posting enough in this game for someone to get such a strong town read on me. I am giving an honest opinion of myself so far this game.MonkeyMan576 wrote: Are you admitting to not playing pro-town?-
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This is of course off topic, but I think I have you beat on this. I own every single full length feature animated disney movie, including old obscue ones likeMonkeyMan576 wrote:I have a 3 yr old son, I'm sure I've watched more disney movies than you have.Melody TimeandThe Three Caballeros, and have watched multiple Disney movies literally every week for the past twenty years. My favorite movie of all time beingBeauty and the Beastwhich I have seen over 100 times and can recite by heart. I await the day to meet my Disney-rival. While other people during highschool did things like videogames, I watched Disney Movies in my free time. If have a passion, it is Disney. You can see it plastered on my wall, my bookshelves, multitudes of souvnirs and trinkets, I admittedly have an unhealthy love for Disney.
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We've played as scum together, Kmd; and the last Disney game we played you were town. Even though you have not been extremely active this game, my recent previous plays with you has me thinking you are town (or rather not scum, which leaves town).I'm such a good lover because I practice a lot on my own.-
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Unvote; Vote: Neopi
fuzzylightning was bad. Your entry into the game is looking like you just want to slip right into day two unnoticed and without much to be held against you by putting everyone a day behind in getting a read on you. You need to provide some more solid thoughts on the game thus far rather than an "I agree, let's go!" post.
Coming to that conclusion after supposedly going through the whole thread in less than an hour doesn't look so hot either.-
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I've asked this before as well, and haven't seen it answered yet. Why are you ignoring this MonkeyMan?Crazy wrote:And Monkey, can you just explain why Peter Pan is a "conditional" watcher?
I think this is scummy for the speculation, which is very railroaded, and for you supposed "best way to find out" solution which is in my opinion ridiculous.MonkeyMan576 wrote:Either
a) The day killer knew kmd was right about starbuck, and wanted him dead to eliminate a threat.
b) The day killer knew kmd was wrong about starbuck, and killed him so we would think he was right.
c) The day killer is actually town, thought kmd was scummy, but was wrong.
I think the best way to find out is to lynch starbuck, and find out if I survive the night.
Also, did Kmd's death affect you having an ability tonight?
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I don't doubt that Starbuck is the role-name she claims. I am certain that is her character name and movie. Based on last game, character and movie did not determine alignment and I doubt that would change here. People debating whether a Toy Story character would be a scum-role or not is a really dumb idea.-
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I didn't need the hint. I don't find Starbuck to be all that scummy. I would still prefer a MonkeyMan576 lynch. He continues to make scummy posts and ignoring players.chamber wrote:
Atm I believe there are 3 votes for both neopi and starbuck that makes you the swing vote under these deadline rules if no one else shows up (hint: vote for neopi).semioldguy wrote:Back and catching up as quickly as I can since as our deadline is very near.
HoS: MonkeyMan576
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If it isn't that hard to figure out, then you should have no problem sharing it. What you just said and have said is almost word for word what scum said last game about their fake-claim.
I don't believe your claim.
The mod is fallible. Last game was Disney-Dreamworks. There was an Ice-Age character which is neither. Your speculation remains and will continue to be useless. I'd go as far as to say that it is actually harmful to the town.-
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This is another reason why Monkey's claim smells bad. It's a horrible role for town to have. If the town is losing, his claim turns to vanilla which would encourage another mislynch.Crazy wrote:If you don't explain now, expect me to vote you the first time we lynch a townie.
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Please quote where you suspected me first.MonkeyMan576 wrote:FOS: Semioldguy
He was suspicious before, he is really suspicious now. Not as suspicious as Starbuck, but right up there. And he can't claim OMGUSbecause I suspected him first.
Here is where I first suspected you: viewtopic.php?t=12398&postdays=0&postor ... &&start=68-
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The request is for flavor, not ability.Starbuck wrote:Did you guys not see in Monkey's claim post which I have linked MULTIPLE TIMES that he explained the condition of his watching?
He can watch as long as TOWNIE ISN'T LYNCHED. The lack of attention to detail here is really starting to bug me, but Monkey has explained himself (in my eyes) to fullest that he can without quoting or going into modkill land.-
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Why didn't you point this out as being massive fishing?chamber wrote:
massive fishingsemioldguy wrote:Do you not know your own flavor for your role? A simple "yes" or "no" will do, I don't want anything more than that at this point.MonkeyMan576 Post 515 wrote:Can anyone besides Starbuck claim to be a movie after 1980(Don't give the actual title, just yes or no)?FoS:chamber-
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I think that's a dumb argument. It was more or less a rhetorical question to begin with as I would find it strange for anyone not to have flavor to their role when this is a theme game.
I am town and I have flavor. I don't think it in any way damaging to town or helpful to scum to admit this.
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Dumb ideas like whether Toy Story is a Disney Classic movie or not or whether or not a character from that movie is scum or if only Pixar animated characters or certain timeframes would make up the scum group. These are the dumb ideas I refer to and the ones I wish people would all just drop because they are not and will not be fruitful for the town.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I don't think anyone is "hung up" about it. You are the one who keeps on bringing it up. And the one who wants people to keep on giving more of their role info than they are comfortable with.semioldguy wrote:I think that's a dumb argument. It was more or less a rhetorical question to begin with as I would find it strange for anyone not to have flavor to their role when this is a theme game.
I am town and I have flavor. I don't think it in any way damaging to town or helpful to scum to admit this.
Why are players in this game getting hung up on really dumb ideas?
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@YankCane151
You're right. I thought she had, but looking back through just her posts she was never the one to mentioned any flavor. Monkey's claim is still scummier in my eyes because he has blatantly refused to provide flavor. Starbuck seems not to have been requested for it yet, and her claim loses much of the current credibility it had to me because I thought she had...
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MonkeyMan isSTILLignoring Post 636.
I didn't ask for the name of the role at all either.MonkeyMan576 wrote:I didn't ask about the name of the role at all. So you are wrong yet again. Trying to find out if there is a pattern to scum roles helps town, obviously.
I'm not asking about roles either. I'm asking about flavor. You have already claimed your role. Making sure your flavor matches is in line with deciding whether your claim is town and not scum.MonkeyMan576 wrote:i'm not asking about role's at all. I play at another site and hypothesizing about game makeup is standard. Players hypersensitivity to this on mafiascum is a little absurd.
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@MonkeyMan
Don't expect me to push a case elsewhere when you ignore almost any post I make toward you or whenever I ask you a question. There are still things you have yet to answer and that you have continued to ignore. I know you have read, please address them.I'm such a good lover because I practice a lot on my own.-
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Post 636, Post 666 and Post 692 to name more recent ones. As far as I know, ignoring the points of a case brought against you isn't going to make the case go away.MonkeyMan576 wrote:You shouldn't be pushing cases based on what someone else does or doesn't do or as a way to get back at them or make friends. As far as I know I've answered all questions you've asked of me.
Cases are based on what people do or don't do, that's how the game is played. Find me a case that isn't based on what someone does or doesn't do. I'm not here to get back at people or to make friends; I'm here to play mafia. If I wanted to make friends here I'd go post in General Discussion.-
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692 has other things for you to address as well.MonkeyMan576 wrote:Those are all the same question. Please don't exaggerate a case by making something sound like more than it is.
Questions that require research shouldn't be expected to be answered in the same timeframe as questions that don't. In fact, it's quite rude to ask such a question and demand it be answered immediately.
Which shows that you didn't suspect me first.MonkeyMan576 wrote:I first suspected you around post 126, semioldguy.-
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By three minutes you mean 13, check your facts before posting. It isn't very difficult to skim an ISO read looking for something specific.Jazzmyn wrote:I also do not understand why semioldguy said that Monkey's failure to post flavour when he claimed amounted to only a "partial claim" and said that "partial claims are scummy" and yet semi did not apply the same rationale to Starbuck, who had also claimed her role and no flavour. I am further suspicious of the fact that when someone (YankCane, I think) mentioned this,semi posted almost immediately (within 3 minutes) that he had re-read Starbuck's posts and yes, lo and behold, she had not made a full claim either. Three minutes from the time of YankCane's post to semi's response and he read all of Starbuck's posts from her claim forward? Really? I doubt that.Then there's semi's gratuitous "I'm town" claim when nobody asked and it's not as though scum would claim any different.-
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If I thought she had claimed flavor, how could I find it scummy for something I didn't know? When I asked, she gave flavor without any fuss, Monkey had refused multiple times.Jazzmyn wrote:But speaking of "checking your facts before posting," your own post 649 (your 6:30 post on page 26) shows that you did not "check your facts before posting" when you called Monkey scummy for his "partial claim" (yourdefinition not claiming flavour with the roleclaim) while you did no such thing when Starbuck made her own "partial claim" and you "thought she had".
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Without revealing who it might be, do you know who the Tramp is?
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This is why claiming things such as what movie era a player is from can be bad for the town, when it could help scum narrow down unrevealed potential roles like the Tramp.-
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Best explanation I can give is that I had a back trauma accident and was in the hospital for a few days, so when I caught up it included both claims as well as other stuff for just this game. I was still being heavily medicated and more than a little out of it so I must have missed that Starbuck hadn't claimed because I thought she had due to others speculating on the viability of her claim as vanilla. Since others were openly discussing Buzz's flavor (which I even joined in on in my post after coming back), I thought that she had given it. I was obviously wrong. I missed the fact that none of the posts discussing flavor at the time of the claim were hers.Jazzmyn wrote:Emphasis on the word "if".
As should be obvious, my point is that you had no townie reason whatsoever to think that Starbuck had claimed flavour when she clearly had not. Yet, according to you - and you alone - failure to claim flavour when roleclaiming is scummy. And you only felt it was scummy for Monkey not to have flavourclaimed when he roleclaimed but you said nothing of the sort when Starbuck roleclaimed without flavourclaiiming.
This does not compute.
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Jazz
For one, I know that Gorrad isn't the Tramp because of your question, and would have known that Kmd4390 wasn't as well. SinceMonkeyMan576 wrote:First of all, you're not considering how a revealed fakeclaim could help the town, second, I don't see what the movie era has to do with the potential Tramp role. Usually the mafia already knows or has a pretty good idea what their mafia consists of, and could deduce what the town consists of.Lady and the Trampis from 1955, which would be before 1980. That's the point I'm making, which you clearly missed.-
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No, it won't tell us this. Even if she is scum it won't mean that Pixar characters aren't town or are only scum. If she is town it won't mean that Pixar characters are all ton or that Pixar characters can't be scum. This is a huge leap from you and a really dumb all around assumption in my opinion.MonkeyMan576 wrote:Also it could tell us if Pixar movies are in the town are not.
You seem to be suspicious of me, would you mind making a case on me that doesn't center around me being suspicious of you?