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(And Jack too. lol)
@ Vas: Should I claim Thor now, or later? lol
Not so. There are only the 7 powers out there. The "x2" means two-shot abilities, not two of that role- I already asked Zor.FishytheFish wrote: There is ~1 ability per person there - even if some more are going to come onto the market,
Agreed, unless we can confirm them as town. (Barring investi-immunity.)farside22 wrote: First I think wiring money to someone just because of a claim would be down right stupid for the town.
Because the scum wouldn't lie? Its a gamble to be sure.Fish wrote: The person with the nightkill should definitely claim if they are town.
This too. I'm going to consider paying off some of my debt now. lolTHE RULES wrote: 4. If you cannot pay your debt off after the third day, you will enter bankruptcy until your debt is fully paid off.
THIS. Can you like, go post this in every game I'm in? lolfarside22 wrote: Actively lurking is a big flag I'm not letting go of.
In my defense, I played relatively horribly (until I was confirmed scum). I was more concerned with not being on your lynch D1 that I placed myself on the lynch with all my scumbuddies.VV wrote: @Andrius: Well, I know how you act when you're scum.
Ummm, neither of them were voting me at the time. I think you're confusing me with VV. lolZor wrote: Andrius ( 3 ) Jack, Fishythefish,
I doubt I'll find me a girlfriend there, but I'll go look again. *sigh*SPS wrote: Andrius, you'll find everything you seek implied in my last post.
I'd call this justified, unless there's a big Jack/Zang feud I don't know about.Zang wrote: Not answering my questions.
Apparently. It must be your avatar.VV wrote: For some reason, I am almost always the top choice for D1 wagons >.>.
Given this reaction, it would be an unexpected move on the scum's part. Like a scum claiming Miller D1.farside22 wrote: You think scum would buy the DV and then vote themselves?
I like the latter part. Makes somewhat sense. But then again it a deterrant to making a really good case, because youJack wrote: I bought it because I like to gut vote and a double gut vote actually does something.It's like a free persuaded person.
Claim Thor.VV wrote: Oh man, I'm at L-1 at D1 again?
I signed up for this game with the intent of trying to win via the money-win. But now that there's the $1000 criteriaZang wrote: I think Pickpocket is pretty much a third-party role because the person who has it is probably trying to get a money win.
Yeah, but since there's no real incentive to paying it off, why not?Zajnet wrote: I don't think people would risk taking out loans so big that they would be guaranteed to enter bankruptcy in 3 days.
Uneasy like how I feel when I stare at your avatar, or uneasy like you're going to puke your guts out after your first college party?SK wrote: I'm starting to get an uneasy feeling about Andrius' posts.
At first I was like 'oh, that's one less person I'd have to convince when I present a case on someone'. But then I rethought it. 'That one less person also enables lynches to go faster, with less people.' So it has the potential for quicker lynches, and heavily distorts lylo.SK wrote: So what is it exactly that you're trying to say with this?
Well yeah.SK wrote: Uneasy like your posts have a scummy feel to them. Plus internal thinking about certain things you've said and how it applies to game mechanics. Considering I'm voting you, though, shouldn't you have been able to figure out somewhat what I meant by "uneasy"?![]()
Oh really? Like slimey or just dark and ominous?SK wrote: My vote is on Andrius because his postsfeelscummy to me,
What does it mean, anyway? Anarcho-Syndicalist? Some type of political party?SPS wrote: It appears the Mafia B have a name. Did no one else notice this? It seems obviously relevant.
SK is threatening us. Be wary of NKs from her.SK wrote: Meaning: if I get asked this question again I am going to bust some skulls.
Are you sure you're not a bomb in this game?VV wrote: This, btw, should be why I'm obv town right about now. I've been at L-1 for a while you know.
I'm surprised SK isn't in this list. You don't find SK scummy?VV wrote: In other news: I'd think there are 2-3 scum in {Jack, Fishythefish, Steam-Powered Shovel, Zajnet, farside22}.
I have no idea what sport this world cup is for.farside22 wrote: I have no clue who is even in the world cup. I fail.
WIFOM. Will she really bid on it? Does she even like it? Is this sarcasm? /20 Questionsfarside22 wrote: God that mugger ability is so hot
I'm not worried about it. You said so yourself. Moving along.Jack wrote: Why on earth would you be worried about that? You can't possibly be. No one has been asked to claim, and a claim can't clear anyone because scum can buy the abilities just like town can.
1) I asked someone to become more OMGUSy? Show me where.Fishy wrote: 1. Asking an already OMGUSy player to become more OMGUSy.
2. On the farside wagon. Some fence sitting - the bad kind where you aren't undecided, just have no intention of doing anything until other people do.
3. A prediction that there is scum on the dispelled farside wagon. He doesn't give a reason for this (why is being on a fast dispelling wagon a scumtell?).
I dislike the comment on grammar - while it seems a silly thing to be arguing over, I think it's quite obvious here that the grammar of that sentence is hugely relevant to whether someone dropped an enormous scumtell. To dismiss that as irrelevant just because it's talking about grammar is both easy and wrong.
Ok wow. I have 3 votes on me and you're already proclaiming me lynched? Jumping the gun a bit there, eh Vas?VV wrote: I am so sad that we are lynching Andrius today.. I wanted to see him do that thing he did in Greek Mythology(ie. Prance around the thread being confirmed scum. Also call out to your scumbuddies.).
Still, this feels staggeringly similar to his earlier D1 play at Greek Mythology(when I was still alive). (btw, Do other Greek Mythology alumni agree?)
##Vote: Andrius
Thanks for the heads-up. I'll start paying off my debt now. lol Anyone want leftover dinner? I'll sell my dinner for cheap.SK wrote: @ Andrius: We're lynching VV today (barring other epic claims of scumtastity), but don't worry, we'll come 'round for you tomorrow...
What part are you talking about?!? I still don't get what you're trying to say.NS wrote: @Andrius: Watch it again.
Re-quoted for emphasis. VV's clearly out to survive D1 doing whatever it takes to do so. Jack's playstyle is odd indeed, especially the ignoring Zang earlier. And SK is following Jack alot lately.AlmasterGM wrote: VV is getting on any wagon that isn't his, I don't like Jack's playstyle
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The only person I don't mind is SK, but he seems to just be doing whatever Jack tells him.
SK adds the ##'s immediately after.SK wrote:Vote: Farside22
I'll dig this for now.
SK wrote: Right. I guess VV can wait until tomorrow (as much as I'd still like to lynch him today).
##Unvote: VasudeVa
##Vote: Andrius
This.AlmasterGM wrote: Why do you think Andrius is scummier than VV?
I think it was a clever idea done by Jack; whether motivated as scum or town remains to be seen. He knew that VV would hop, because VV supports every lynch other than his own, ATM. SaintKerrigan's vote was highly scummy because he followed Jack saying "I'll dig this for now". He also followed Jack onto my lynch.Fishy wrote: So. What do you think of the farside wagon? You agree with it to an extent. Which is pretty much totally meaningless. What good points have been made against farside? We don't know. How likely is farside to be scum? We don't know. Are you likely to vote farside over other players? We don't know. This reads very much like scum who wants to be able to make their mind up when it becomes clearer whether this wagon is leading to a lynch.
Well, most people would tend to avoid saying scentences meaning "I'm scum".Fishy wrote: I think you're very wrong about the grammar thing. If I say a sentence meaning "I'm scum", but I claim it has some other harmless interpretation, it's clearly important to work out whether that harmless interpretation is likely. Sounds like something you believe though.
You aren't technically allowed to withhold your vote, as it must always be on someone. You can however, vote SK and appease me for a brownie point. (Not redeemable for townie points. Reedemable for brownies.)VV wrote: I'm mostly trying to make the most of my vote here, do you prefer that I withhold my vote and not give you any information?
I still think that was a genious move.VV wrote:and is not the kamikazee bomb of protown play I once knew him to be!
It allows to me to watch suspicious players like VV, Jack, SK and see what they do. Naturally, VV votes me. Jack votes me. SK follows Jack. Why? We will find out.AlmasterGM wrote: I don't get it. How did making a crappy post help you find scum, specifically?
Claim Thor.VV wrote: Oh Joy, I'm at L-1 again.
Yeah I did. I read him in Newbie 902, when he played as scum. He replaced in on D2 though, so its not a complete meta. And I haven't read his latest semi-win as scum in Percy's Rainbow Mafia.Jack wrote: Andrius on VV at the time when VV was acting his scummiest. Ever do that meta read Andrius? Also can you explain the comment in that first quote? (the "I'd have to meta him to see if he's like this when he's scum" comment).
Let me get this straight, because I'm not sure I follow your train of thought yet.VV wrote: *Ahem*
Why Fish is Scum: A Qualitative Analysis of a Fishy Scumbag's Posts
ISO 31:
"I agree that the fact that what you said is pretty obviously a silly thing to say makes it more likely it was a genuine mistake. "
ISO 37:
"No, I don't think you made a mistake"
Saying that "I agree that the fact that what you said is pretty obviously a silly thing to say makes it more likely it was a genuine mistake. "
does not go with the sentiment
"I don't think you made a mistake"
Why say the first sentence at all when, in your mind, you are already thinking the second sentence.
There you have it, ladies and gentle men. Also, I would like to point out: ISO 37 is a classic example of cognitive dissonance.
##Vote: Fishy
Nothing wrong with it, I just noticed that you weren't running around asking for everyone's metas.VV wrote: Also, regarding asking for metas: Back then, I thought they worked. But now I don't. Anything wrong with that?
C'mon man. There was a good amount of epic in that game. You can't deny that.VV wrote: In an unrelated note:
Man, you're funny. XD.Andrius in the large theme game he's playing wrote: I won Greek Mythos. I believe in Epic.
And how praytell, do you defend your vote on me? Because there's a clear distinction between voting someone because you think they are scum and getting an "uneasy feeling" about someone's posts.SK wrote: AKA "Zomg SK didn't provide a 'good' reason for his vote, he must be scummiez." I do believe I explained later that the vote was to try and get information.
Again, there's a clear distinction between getting an "uneasy feeling" about my posts and bumping me up to "high suspect" on your scumladder.SK wrote: Conveniently leaving out the part where you were already a high suspect on my list and I was in fact voting you in lieu of VV earlier. Personally, I think both of you need to find a noose, and it doesn't really matter which of you two finds it first.
I expect people to vote me. That's not the deal.SK wrote: And you expected people to not vote you for this? Say something stupid was "intentional" doesn't make it any less stupid, or less vote-worthy. Put another way: you're reaping what you've sown.
You want to vote yourself in exchange for a brownie point? Odd.SK wrote:And yet you don't extend me the same offer. Favoritism for a scumbuddy, eh?Andrius wrote: You can however, vote SK and appease me for a brownie point. (Not redeemable for townie points. Reedemable for brownies.)
Yes, I did say that.SK wrote: I'm sorry, did you say you learned something from that?
Him or VV- pretty much.Zang wrote: Is every wagon led by you?
I doubt it.Zang wrote: With these roles somebody could achieve the money win.
Am I your #1 target ATM?Jack wrote: VV, vote andrius please.
Because any smart player would do that when they get one vote put on them.SK wrote: Andrius, claim any and all abilities you possess. Now.
1) I wasn't pretending to be. I don't have a high self-esteem, and I was unsure if I did the math wrong. There's always the possibility for an error. (Namely in the $125 x4 = what?) I have my stupid moments.NS wrote: Oh, I have more than one reason.
Pretending to be less than top of the class.....Andy wrote: @ Anyone with Math Skills
So if we can take out loans for 300% of out cash right now, we can technically have like, $400. And the scum would then have... $500? (I'm hoping I did my math right, lol.)
.....and now, he's a math professor.Andy wrote: Ok, I'm not going to go too far into the money issue, but with each town player able to take out a $300 loan, on top of D1 starting money they'd have $400. Scum would have $500, if they started with $125. So it is possible for any player to have scrounged up all that money to get a power.
*numbers added by meNS wrote:Rolefishing is scummy.Andy wrote: 1) Can we say that a scum has Cop too?
2) Unless scum have the Doctor.
Gah. This is a bit more complicated than I thought. lol
I was choosing to not to out a PR. That's the opposite of forcibly outing a PR, which is scummy.NS wrote:Andy wrote: Jack, I'm not scum.
I can prove who the Doublevoter is, but I don't really want to out the PR.
Or I can just tell you to go look at the votecounts and find better deductive skills.
Keeping info from town is also scummy.
1) You're asking me to claim? Now? I'm not even near L-1.SaintKerrigan wrote:@ Andrius: I know you have one of the other roles from yesterday. At the very least I'd like you to confirm that. If you tell me which role you have it may help to determine whether you're innocent or not.
Addendum: why FoS me instead of vote me?
I'm sure its not a problem to prove I have one; I've been hinting at having a loan for awhile now.SaintKerrigan wrote:Last chance to claim you have a role pricier than $100, Andrius. Otherwise I'll tell the town why I'm positive you have one and how your unwillingness to admit that makes you more suspicious.
Duly noted. However, I'll do as I please with my vote.SaintKerrigan wrote:EBWOP: Also, you can easily vote me and still ponder your other suspects. It's not that hard, Andrius. I did it today. You can, too.
33%? If there are 2 scum on each of the scumteams, then there's 4 scum in 10 players.SaintKerrigan wrote: ...
Also, you are not getting it. 40% scum isonlytaking role stuff into account, and nothing else. There isdefinitelya 33% chance of Andrius being scum no matter what because he has a role. Other evidence against him is additive to the percentage of likelihood. (It's not mathematics. It's not gut. It's gutematics. Get used to it.)
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+Fishythefish wrote:##vote: SK
You wanted Andrius to claim his abilities, without anything that said he was scum. There are scum motives for that, and no town motives that I can see. The mention of possible future plans is not enough for me.
=SaintKerrigan wrote:*claps gleefully and grabs more popcorn*
I fail so hard there.Zajnet wrote:My god the math is all screwed up by everyone except maybe Fishy. Everyone has 40% chance of being scum because of the 4 in 10 thing. Not 10%. Not 33%.Andrius wrote:33%? If there are 2 scum on each of the scumteams, then there's 4 scum in 10 players.SaintKerrigan wrote: ...
Also, you are not getting it. 40% scum isonlytaking role stuff into account, and nothing else. There isdefinitelya 33% chance of Andrius being scum no matter what because he has a role. Other evidence against him is additive to the percentage of likelihood. (It's not mathematics. It's not gut. It's gutematics. Get used to it.)
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So everyone has 10%. Why am I 33% likely?
You spelled "ignite" wrong. lolzoraster wrote: 1 Arsonist - You have a whole bunch of highly flamable liquid, but only one match. Every night, you may douse one person in kerosene. Once during the day, you may PM the mod with the word ignight.
Good, some fresh action in the game. Glad to have you SpyreX.SpyreX wrote:You're right ohh god because seriously now.
This SK wagon? Laaame
The VV wagon? Seriously. Seriously. The other one was Jack? Seriously.
Here's a super hi-c tip. In this group there is 2, if not three scum:
Nobody Special, Zang, Steam-Powered Shovel.
Now I'm banking hard on SPS and NS not being scum together. The downside is chances are high these aren't the scum with the fat abilities.
The winner in the "doing nothing" race by a tiny margin is NS. Zang is actively not paying attention and that bothers me but, of the three, he's my iffy one.
##Vote: Nobody Special
That said, this needs to happen NOW:
Whomever bought cop needs to claim it. Claim their result. Then sell it. Like, right damn now. We need to utilize the fact there is still only one killing action and two scumteams to start putting some pressure on.
This was 20 pages of mechanics and slapfighting and, frankly, a C- effort overall. That's gotta go.
zoraster wrote:This is a public service announcement:If you haven't already and you want to, make sure you sign up in the /in-vitational here. You certainly don't have to sign up for the game I've offered to run (Murder in the Dark), but there are a lot of good players and mods that you should take a look at.