Mini 1090: Of Rogues and Curses ~ Game Over

[gandalf5166]

I'm a daycop. Zorblag is scum.

VOTE: Zorblag

[gandalf5166]

vote: zorblag.

Seriously?

The real question is why YOU aren't voting Zorblag yet. Are you deciding whether bussing D1 is acceptable in your QT?

[gandalf5166]

@gandalf5166, that's a cute way to go about a random vote I suppose. Have you got any precedent of doing it elsewhere or are you trying it for the first time?
-Zorblag R`Lyeh

It's not random, but I did do it in ongoing game just recently. EVERYONE, WAGON THE SCUM.

[gandalf5166]

Vote:Zorblag

I'm here and I'm town, therefore Troll is scum. Yes, I'm serious. And if you have any sense, we will lynch Troll now before he starts walling you with words and muddling your reads.

AH, A FELLOW REASONING BEING!!!!

[gandalf5166]

No. More likely, nocase is also a daycop, and figured he didn't have to out himself to get his investigation lynched, since I had already claimed.

[gandalf5166]

@gandalf5166, OK, I'll bite. Why pick me out of the crowd here if you're not doing it randomly? Have I forgotten a scum game of mine in which I came across as dangerous or some such thing?

Your name starts with a Z. I don't like the letter Z.

[gandalf5166]

By the way, I fake daykills in almost every game.

So it's not scummy.

[gandalf5166]

Eh, I'm done goofing off. The problem is that I'm not quite sure what to do now. I think I'll ISO Mariyta and see if the case against her is legit.

[gandalf5166]

Oh yeah, this wagon is good. She's literally made one post that wasn't about my daycop claim, and all that she did of substance there was say that Tans was town.

VOTE: Mariyta

I know I'm hardly one to talk, but could you try posting some content?

[gandalf5166]

I didn't actually mean to garner any reactions from my daycop, I assumed everyone would assume it was an RVS joke >.> That said, I found one scum: Mariyta. Something also feels a little off about Zorblag's response, but I'm less confident in that.

[gandalf5166]

I don't like that xvart says I would cave under pressure, but other than that he's a null.

And I just realized that I never answered xvart's second question for me. I don't particularly have a read on tans either way, but that's pretty irrelevant to the fact that Mariyta's scum.

[gandalf5166]

I actually like tans' post on Exe. I'm not sure why.

[gandalf5166]

@Mariyta, how strong do you expect cases from tanstalas to be as town?

I expect him to post strong cases. Will I get them (as either town or scum)? Probably not.

You literally said,"I expect strong cases, but I don't expect them"

What you really mean is "I WANT him to post strong cases"

[gandalf5166]

I've only faked a daycop once other than this game. I fake dayvigs as both scum and town all the time though. I find it very useful for two reasons: 1. As scum, it leads people to believe I'm town, even if I never prove my ability, so long as I give good reasons for why I faked it later. 2. As town, it makes people listen to me a lot more attentively, since they think that I can kill them. I particularly fake it a lot as bulletproof or scum faking bulletproof. The daycop, however, was really just a clever way of putting down a random vote, as Troll said.

[gandalf5166]

4 ~ Mariyta (Vi, inHimshallibe, Zorblag, gandalf5166)

There be scum on this wagon!

$20 on gandalf
Reasons:
A1) his vote on Mariyta is pure 100% hipocracy: He claims she has done nothing of note other than complain about his fakeclaim (not disputing that), yet if you look at his iso, 8 of 14 posts are about his fake claim.
B2) The rest of his posts are throwing out suspicions of 4 different players yet doing nothing to back them up. Town make cases as to why someone is scum, not just sit there and say "Person A is scum" and ride the wagon. Hell, even nocase has presented more of a case at this point.
C3) When voting Mariyta, he admits to blatant bandwagoning... check his post right before his vote, he litterally says "I'm going to see if this case has any merit" and jumps on the wagon.

therefor:

Unvote; Vote: gandalf5166

Mod edit: Fixed the quote tag.

1. At the time, Mariyta had 7/8 posts about my fakeclaim. 7/8 vs. 8/14?
2. You've played with me SEVERAL times before, don't pretend you don't know how I play.
3.Yeah. I went to Mariyta's ISO, to see if the case had any merit. I looked at her ISO, and saw it had merit, so I voted. You just took something completely out of context and tried to make it look like something it definitely wasn't. Definition of misrep, bro. Nice chainsaw. We'll lynch you tomorrow.

C3) When voting Mariyta, he admits to blatant bandwagoning... check his post right before his vote, he litterally says "I'm going to see if this case has any merit" and jumps on the wagon.

I was actually wondering about this point as well, but for a different reason, between his "I'm going to check Mariyta's ISO" and his "Vote" post 3 minutes elapsed, which I thought kind of quick. Granted gandalf could be a speed reader and typist, but 3 minutes to read the posts, think about the posts, come to a conclusion then the post where he votes...

She had a total of 1 post that was longer than like, two lines. I'm not a speed reader or a speed typist.

[gandalf5166]

OOH NICE BUS THAR

[gandalf5166]

Some reason I thought that the lynch threshold was 5. And that doesn't even make sense, as Uite would have hammered.

[gandalf5166]

On a site where I used to play, deadlines for days were 48 hours.

[gandalf5166]

Wait, Mariyta has been here since 2006 and she's pulling the newbie card?

[gandalf5166]

I'll give more when I feel it's necessary, and you know that. Also, I'd say that in this game, I'm providing an unusual amount of content(for me). So quite frankly, be happy with what you've got.

[gandalf5166]

her*

[gandalf5166]

Just so you know, I'll be considering Uite confirmed town from here on out unless I get SIGNIFICANT evidence otherwise. He just "town-slipped", so to speak. I can't tell you why, unfortunately.

[gandalf5166]

I've been considering him town, but he's like.... really looking town now.

[gandalf5166]

Lol. You can request flavor for a POWER ROLE. You already have flavor for your own role. WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOOWOWOWOWOWOWO

Mariyta's scum, yup.

[gandalf5166]

Okay, you could potentially be town.

[gandalf5166]

The PM said I could request flavor. I didn't see a point. I don't need it for anything.

funny because i'm town and my pm doesn't say that.

If you're a power role, you would have the flavor already. If not, it would tell you that you could request it. Good job outing yourself if you really are town.

He already had outed himself. That's why I said i would be considering him confirmed town. Because scum would almost certainly be told that they could receive flavor. Town PRs not so much maybe.

[gandalf5166]

Eh. I'm not really comfortable with letting scum go free just because they told us that they could get flavor for power roles(hint: SCUM PMS WOULD SAY THAT TOO), but lynching another scum is fine.

UNVOTE
VOTE: Mothrax

[gandalf5166]

Uite: Wait, where in that post do I say that I can't be a Vanilla Townie?

[gandalf5166]

I'm sorry, but I've been implying that I'm a VT pretty much all game >.>

[gandalf5166]

Lol. You just quoted all the posts where I implied it and somehow missed it >.>

I was saying that VANILLAS could request flavor for power roles. Your point is moot.

[gandalf5166]

I still don't understand how I slipped.

I AM A VANILLA TOWNIE

How did I imply anything to the contrary, anywhere?

InHim, you're stupid. That's the only time I've slipped as scum, and I've done it four or five times as town.

[gandalf5166]

And if you really care, that game, I genuinely forgot.

[gandalf5166]

I'll be V/LA for the next couple of days. I've been sick, but now I'm in serious pain, like every time I breathe it feels like my ribs are jabbing into my lungs pain. I need to rest. I can't even watch Psych, because it hurts when I laugh.

[gandalf5166]

Question for gandalf. What changed between 222 and 224?

I was considering what she stated as flavor. I now see that everyone has essentially the same thing there.

Tanstalas is being even more stupid than usual.

[gandalf5166]

Me and Mariyta's PMs are perfectly congruous, xvart. I have the same chunk of flavor at the beginning as she does, with one word change.

Should I just go ahead and tell you what my VT role is, since I've already claimed VT anyways?

[gandalf5166]

Well, I can't think of any reason not to tell you guys, so I'm letting you know that I'm a Beggar.

This wagon on Exe is compelling and disturbing at the same time. I like the reasons behind it, but I've mislynched Exe so many times that he makes me a little nervous. I think the only time I've actually lynched him where he was scum was in Alphabet, and I was bussing >.>

Mothrax is much safer, and guaranteed scum.

[gandalf5166]

Ummm..... you have a Bad Romance tier? What does that even MEAN?

[gandalf5166]

By the way, my role PM also says specifically that I may request flavor for any power role I wish.

[gandalf5166]

@xvart: Yes and yes. I don't find it unlikely that scum would be told what flavor town would get.

[gandalf5166]

Hmmm...... I think xvart is scum. Just a hunch. But mothrax can be lynched first.

[gandalf5166]

I don't really like the Exe wagon much. I'm not sure why, but if he flips scum, I'll eat my hat. I don't have a hat, but I'll go out and buy one so that I can eat it.

[gandalf5166]

Tans, if you're gonna back down on one of us, you're gonna have to back down on all of us, as your ENTIRE case hinges on us all being scum together.

[gandalf5166]

I don't think I'm having any problems.

[gandalf5166]

Zorblag, nobody needed to say that. I'm pretty sure that everyone here is fully aware that we don't want any more claims. For anyone that's wondering, I claimed because I had a case against me that was based on the false assumption that I wasn't a VT. So I claimed VT so people would stop attacking me for absolutely no reason. I figured better now than when somebody brought it up again two days later.

[gandalf5166]

Wow. Somehow I missed that Vi and VP unvoted. In fact, I may have managed to miss a large section of this page somehow.

[gandalf5166]

Oh wow. Bellydancer could EASILY be a scum role.

[gandalf5166]

His role can be proved, VP. This is true. His alignment would sill be up in the air.

[gandalf5166]

Exevart?

[gandalf5166]

I get it. I just wasn't sure if it was a brain fart or not, and if it was, which one you had meant to refer to.

[gandalf5166]

Vi, that was what I wanted to say about Exe's role. I just wasn't sure how to phrase it.

[gandalf5166]

@nocase: Sure, the mod will produce flavor. But as to the actual role that is claimed, you can still doubt that.

[gandalf5166]

I agree with Exe. Quick days are pro-town. Townies tend to get bored and less attentive on long days.

[gandalf5166]

Well, like I said, I've mislynched Exe quite a few times. He acts scummy, but I think that this game, his posts have felt genuine. I just thought about it some more, I guess.

[gandalf5166]

There's quick, and then there's page 5 quick.

[gandalf5166]

Yes, because as scum I totally adamantly defend my scum partners D1.

I say once again: You've played with me. You know better.

[gandalf5166]

I'm not sure what the fuck you're talking about, but you also know that I literally ALWAYS bus like fuck D1.

[gandalf5166]

I'm not sure what the fuck you're talking about, but you also know that I literally ALWAYS bus like fuck D1.

If I go back to any of your previous games I will not find any games where you did not bus on D1?

Not any of my completed games.

[gandalf5166]

Clearly, they would want to shoot me. I'm obviously the most important member of this town.

[gandalf5166]

Exe is going to flip town. I want to be clear. When I said that his role could easily be scum, I simply meant that his claim was a crappy reason to unvote him, not that his claim was scummy.

[gandalf5166]

Ummm........ I thought Exe was town..... because I thought Exe was town. I don't think I should immediately be cleared because he flipped scum, and I think you're SERIOUSLY grasping at straws with this whole "his flavor would have made it look like a town death" bullshit. I mean, why would I think that my scumbuddy would flip town? And how could the flavor "make it look" like it was a town death unless he was going to flip town? If I thought he was going to flip town, it would have been because he told me that he was going to flip town. And no, none of this post is a scumslip, I'm just using perspective to answer tans' loaded questions. Isn't it possible that I MIGHT be just town who was wrong? You're seriously reaching with your "case" against me, to the point where I feel perfectly comfortable with a

VOTE: tanstalas

[gandalf5166]

It was Exe/Me/VPB. Unless you're talking about something else.

[gandalf5166]

I don't think Mariyta and Exe are aligned together.

QFT. Of course, yesterday I could have been convinced that they were both town, but they're definitely not on the same scumteam.

[gandalf5166]

I think I know what Vi's getting at.

[gandalf5166]

What I meant was that as a VT, my PM states that I may request flavor for any power role if I so wish. Epic fail at reading comprehension. There's a reason for prepositional phrases, you know.

[gandalf5166]

I haven't looked at my PM since I got it. I'm simply working from memory here. I have no idea what the EXACT wording is.

[gandalf5166]

Okay, what it actually says is that at request, he will provide me with a flavor line for a power role of my choosing. Remind me how the hell it matters? And how it means I'm bad at reading comprehension?

[gandalf5166]

OH MY FUCKING GOD TANS. ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TRYING TO FORCE ME TO QUOTE MY PM. NO IT DOES NOT SAY POWER ROLE, BUT "POWER" IS STRONGLY IMPLIED BY THE PREVIOUS LINE, WHICH SAYS THAT POWER ROLES WOULD HAVE A FLAVOR LINE.

[gandalf5166]

I DONT HAVE ANY FUCKING READING COMPREHENSION ISSUES. YOU JUST KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EXACT FUCKING WORDING OF MY PM, WHICH I DIDNT BOTHER WITH BECAUSE ITS ENTIRELY FUCKING IRRELEVANT. NOW YOURE JUST TRYING TO GET ME MODKILLED.

Anyways, how the fuck would whether it said power role or role have had anything to do with your latest crock of bullshit?

[gandalf5166]

Your "cases" condemn themselves. They're not worth my time. That said, I don't think you understand the difference between requesting flavor and changing it.

[gandalf5166]

My partner was almost totally inactive, I didn't feel like bussing in that situation would have been advantageous since he was pretty much entirely under the radar.

[gandalf5166]

Of course marathons don't count. And not really. The only reason I didn't bus that particular game is that there wasn't even hardly anything for me to bus.

[gandalf5166]

I laugh every time scum tries to justify not lynching their "suspects" by claiming that they "won't give any info". If someone is scum, they're scum. Why would you lynch town to find scum when you can just lynch scum and actually find scum yourselves later?

[gandalf5166]

Okay, but you are nearly certain that I'm scum, yes? So why would you wait and lynch me later, after lynching someone who you kinda think is scum, instead of lynching me, the "for sure" scum? Also, distinction: OMGUS is Player A votes Player B, Player B votes player A because player A voted for player B. What's happening here is that player A votes player B for horrible reasons, player B calls out player A for his bullshit. I could have waited for player C to come along and call you out, and then it wouldn't be construed as OMGUS, but then, who knows if player C would have cared, and why should player C be defending me?

[gandalf5166]

*facepalm*
My point was that they weren't on the same scumteam, hence, Mariyta was town. The flavor makes it pretty clear that there's only one scumteam.

[gandalf5166]

Confirmed town would be stretching it. Off my radar, more like. I like your feigned ignorance over Exe's flip though. Of course Ythill said unique because Exe's role was unique. No, I haven't seen him use it like that before. It's just common sense. And pretending that you're clueless about Exe's role isn't going to make us think that you're town.

[gandalf5166]

OK, way to ignore/deflect the question. Let's just rearrange it a bit then:

Since we now know that Exe is confirmed scum, would you say that Exe was bussing Mothrax on D1 or trying to mislynch? Specifically his ISO-8 where he accused Mothrax of a blatant chainsaw defense of Mariyta by making a case on you?

I actually just forgot about the question. That's what happens when you combine ADD with a strange propensity to read posts out of order. The way that he bothered to make it look like he had a case, but didn't go into any detail(crappy accusations with buzzwords like chainsaw defense are great too), makes it look like bussing more than pushing a mislynch, yes.

[gandalf5166]

When I said that I thought I knew what Vi was getting at, I thought she was implying that she was a power role with a guilty and she wanted to claim it, hence MC. Now that I think about it, that seems stupider and stupider for a multitude of reasons. That's what you get for playing mafia while you're staying up late to count numbers on the internet.

[gandalf5166]

Just realized, @Uite: You realize that Exe flipped scum, right?

[gandalf5166]

Can you kill mothrax? That'd be awesome.

[gandalf5166]

I'm really not liking tans' recent posts. For one, the content is horrible. If there are only two scum left and I'm one of them, what would be the point in lynching the other scum if we're just going to lynch me once he's dead anyways? But two, they just seem cold. Stale. Like he spent way too long editing it until any emotion was gone from his post.

[gandalf5166]

Noooooooooooo.................... She'll flip town.

[gandalf5166]

I'm really not liking tans' recent posts. For one, the content is horrible. If there are only two scum left and I'm one of them, what would be the point in lynching the other scum if we're just going to lynch me once he's dead anyways? But two, they just seem cold. Stale. Like he spent way too long editing it until any emotion was gone from his post.

Just wondering, do you even read my posts?

I did. And basically what you said was "Hey, we'll lynch my buddy, and then I'll point out some random connection between him and Gandalf and then we can wagonwagonwagon."

[gandalf5166]

Yeah, you provided some more justification for unvoting me, but we both know that's a crock of bullshit. If you unvoted because my lynch didn't have support, you would have said that when you unvoted.

[gandalf5166]

What the fuck? What math could you have done to prove that MC was a good idea?

[gandalf5166]

@mothrax: How do you know that there's only one more power role?

[gandalf5166]

It's one thing to trust, and another thing to agree.

[gandalf5166]

Her actions post claim just don't seem to have much scum motivation.

[gandalf5166]

@Tans: You're right, you've explained your unvote SEVERAL times. But the reason changes every time, and it's different from what you said when you unvoted.

[gandalf5166]

I'm sorry, but I have to request replacement in all my games. Mafia is becoming an addiction rather than a hobby, and it's sucking away hours of my life each day. I know this is selfish considering the huge number of games I'm in(I just counted, it's 10), but that's just it. I'll still do MishMash, and GD, and maybe even the occasional Marathon day or Reck/dram-mod, but I really have to get out. I keep telling myself that I'm going to quit, and I tell myself I'll quit after my current games finish, but then I see another game that I just HAVE to join, and it's self-perpetuating. This is the only way I can see to stop. Sorry. I'm just glad I had the cajones to actually request replacement instead of just flaking.

Automatic Unvote

[gandalf5166]

SensFan has expressed interest in replacing me in any games with cool playerlists, so you might want to talk to him.

[gandalf5166]

Zorblag scum became obvious to me on the last day, as I realized that no town would ever have a dayvig that could only be granted to town, and then give it to crypto. Unfortunately, I was gone.

[gandalf5166]

Not that nocase did badly this game, on the contrary, but it didn't look that way D1.

[gandalf5166]

In fact, just having a dayvig that you can only give to town is bad enough, forget the fact that he gave it to crypto.

[gandalf5166]

*does a little searching*
Also I did not expect this game to be based on actual clans. I'm impressed.

Same here.

[gandalf5166]

Wait, Ythill's kid is named Obi-Wan?

[gandalf5166]

I think it's rather funny that I faked a daycop on scum. Frankly, I don't know why I wasn't immediately suspicious of you and Troll when you took it seriously.