Mini 1090: Of Rogues and Curses ~ Game Over

[tanstalas]

Wow... 2 pages already..

@VP Baltar, did you know that every game I've been in with Vi they've been scum? They've also won all of them. Clearly they're more dangerous than I am, neh?

You try to make us look at Vi by making him look like a bigger threat than yourself then you say:

Voting someone because they've been scum in the past isn't productive.

Now I understand why you didn't vote for Vi, you explained your RVS quite well, but why did you say the first quoted part? Did you want to see if someone would hop on the Vi train as an easy target? Were you trying to deflect some attention away from yourself because you are scum?

Vote: Zorblag

[tanstalas]

What's your take on the stuff that came after that, tans?

The Mariyta stuff?

I personally think you are reading into a couple posts way too much. Nocase vote-hopping this early with "serious" votes is kind of making me a little leery though, however in his (her?) defense the game is still early and not a ton of stuff to go on.

Do you have any comment on my last post? Zorblag seemed kind of.. whats the word.. contradictory in those two posts, no? Then again I could be reading into the posts too much as well, early game I find people tend to do that because we do not have all that much information to work with yet and no flips/wagons to analyze.

[tanstalas]

lack of votes do not lynch scum. humorous votes do not lynch scum. serious votes do lynch scum. i am voting seriously where many others are still voting humorously. that's now please explain how that is not expressly pro-town, or are you just reaching for something because my vote's landed on you?

p.s. his.

I explained because you had 2 "serious" votes in such an early time frame, I can understand a bunch of RVS votes..

[tanstalas]

so you're leery of me because i found a better place for my vote and acted accordingly.

Not because you think I am a good lynch, moreso that you are votehopping.

I also like this

lack of votes do not lynch scum. humorous votes do not lynch scum.

serious votes do lynch scum.

i am voting seriously where many others are still voting humorously. that's now please explain how that is not expressly pro-town, or are you just reaching for something because my vote's landed on you?

p.s. his.

So you think serious votes don't lynch town? You think that scum aren't voting seriously to kill town? Or that town votes on town aren't serious? Takes more than just scum to cause a mislynch. Your whole post reeks of a post just for the sake of a post. Or is your nickname Captain Obvious?

And what is with the last line there?

"p.s. his."

Really curious what that is, am I missing something, or is that a secret communication to your scum partner?

[tanstalas]

Unvote, Vote: tanstalas

vote hopping in the early game, you really think that's scummy coming from nocase?

I have no idea if that is scummy coming from nocase, I have never played with him before.

What is your reasoning for placing a vote on me VP? That I mentioned I was leery of nocase for votehopping? I can understand if there was a good reason for him to switch his vote to me, however he voted for me just because I made some points about Zorblag that I found curious without mentioning any of the Mariyta stuff. So in this game I guess if you have a mind of your own and look for suspects but don't comment on other peoples cases on people that makes you scum in nocase's eyes?

@vi - I did not say I had a 'case' on nocase, and even if I did, why would I feel bad? This is a game where you try to make cases on people and if I felt bad for trying to make a case on someone I would be playing the wrong game And yes,

*IF*

I had placed a serious vote on nocase there I would be guilty of what I was accusing him of (also IF I was a Billionaire I would not be here right now), however I also like to explain why I am voting for someone.

oh, wow. unvote. vote: tanstalas. i still don't like how exe completely ignored gandalf's shenanigans but i feel much more comfortable with this.

Where is his reasoning for voting for me? The only thing I can assume for his vote on me I explained above. I'm not a whiz at MS theory and can only assume that someone sometime said that if someone comes on and makes a post about someone without commenting on everyone else's cases they must be scum and it has worked in catching scum 9 out of 10 times.

[tanstalas]

What is your reasoning for placing a vote on me VP?

Because you're scum. Also, you seem quite worried about people voting you. What do you think of Uite?

Not really worried about you voting me, not like I am at L-1 yet, just curious as to your reasoning. You saying "Because you're scum" isn't a reason, nor does you saying it make it true.

As far as Uite goes, I have no read on him at the moment.

[tanstalas]

Unvote, Vote: tanstalas

vote hopping in the early game, you really think that's scummy coming from nocase?

I have no idea if that is scummy coming from nocase, I have never played with him before.

I explained my vote on you already tanstalas, hence my snarky response to you asking why I was voting you. I think what you're pushing against nocase is crap. Plus plus plus, then you tried to back out of it.

You said you're "leery" of him for vote hopping, then you said you have no idea if it's scummy of him. Way to make no commitments to anything! And you have no opinion of Uite. What do you have an opinion of?

You didn't explain your vote on me, you just asked me a question if I thought him vote-hopping was scummy. Let me repeat this: You asked if I found it scummy coming from

HIM

- I replied I do not know if it is scummy coming from

HIM

- as a general rule, and feel free to disagree with me as it looks like most people do disagree with me, I do find it suspicious of him that he vote hopped

for the reason

he vote hopped, which I

ALREADY

explained.

Do you think that nocase switching his vote to me because I did not comment on the Mariyta thing is a justified vote? If so we must have a shit ton of scum in this game, because looking at posts from other people thus far in the game they aren't talking about every little thing that people bring up.

[tanstalas]

Thank you Zorblag and nocase for responding to me.

Unvote: Zorblag

I would make a bigger post now, however it is Thursday and that means Call of Duty night with the boys

Will do a re-read and make comments tomorrow.

[tanstalas]

Tans jump on Nocase seems contrived: Vote-hopping is not really a tell--even late game it's weak--

That's an opinion - there was the vote hop, but the real reason why I found it odd was the reasoning behind it - he voted for me just because I did not comment on Vi's case on Mariyta.

and it really seems more like Tans doesn't like being voted for.

Should I like being voted for? I'm not an attention whore.

His questioning of VPB shows this as well.

Which questioning? Where I am trying to defend myself/find out what he was thinking?

Seems odd to me that Xvart and Tans both aren't voting anyone although it seems as though both of them have suspicions on players.

Of course I have suspicious of players. I am going to make this post about you, I also have suspicions of others. In games when I get voted for when playing as town I seem to focus on those people more so in an attempt to find a hole in their 'case' on me.

In your eyes I am scum because:
a)I think that vote hopping might be a tell
b)I don't like being voted for
c)I question people as to why they voted for me

I'm still comfortable with my vote on Tans.

Until you find another wagon that looks promising you mean?

I truly do think you are an opportunistic scum Exe.

Vote: Exe

[tanstalas]

C3) When voting Mariyta, he admits to blatant bandwagoning... check his post right before his vote, he litterally says "I'm going to see if this case has any merit" and jumps on the wagon.

I was actually wondering about this point as well, but for a different reason, between his "I'm going to check Mariyta's ISO" and his "Vote" post 3 minutes elapsed, which I thought kind of quick. Granted gandalf could be a speed reader and typist, but 3 minutes to read the posts, think about the posts, come to a conclusion then the post where he votes...

[tanstalas]

@Exe - I find it curious that you moved your vote to mothrax while saying if Mariyta gets back to L-1 you will hammer, well, she is only at L-2, why not put your vote on her if you think she is so scummy? Instead you decide to start a brand new wagon.

Do you think mothrax or Mariyta is more scummy at this point?

[tanstalas]

The PM said I could request flavor. I didn't see a point. I don't need it for anything.

funny because i'm town and my pm doesn't say that.

Unless someone is willing to claim that their Role PM had no flavor

, she most certainly WOULD have flavor to give.

I will confirm for you Vi, Mariyta is not lying about some roles saying you can put your own flavor in.

I find it odd that nocase actually had to say "because i'm town" in his response, instead of just saying his PM doesn't say that (again might be me reading too much into this)

[tanstalas]

I'm sorry, but I've been implying that I'm a VT pretty much all game >.>

Where?

Lol.

You can request flavor for a POWER ROLE.

You already have flavor for your own role. WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOOWOWOWOWOWOWO

Mariyta's scum, yup.

Sounds like you KNOW you can request flavor for a power role, no mention of Vanilla Role here..

Eh. I'm not really comfortable with letting scum go free just because they told us that they could get flavor for power roles(hint: SCUM PMS WOULD SAY THAT TOO), but lynching another scum is fine.

UNVOTE
VOTE: Mothrax

Again, not sure where you are hinting that you are Vanilla. These are the only two posts I could really see where you were talking about types of roles before you said you were implying you were a VT all game... then again I could be missing something wouldn't be the first time.

Again, I am going to sound like a broken record player, but nocase's votes feel very off to me, he just votes people without explaining his vote, and only explains it after he is asked..

ALSO

- I find it ironic he voted me because my first post didn't mention MAriyta, yet now there is serious talk about gandalf and he makes posts and doesn't reference gandalf in any way, shape or form... little contradictory, I think you should vote yourself nocase

However, I do like the gandalf wagon more, for the reasons Uite brought up, the reasons I mentioned above AND that 3 min between posts for the Mariyta vote is still nagging at me, I know you can post a message saying you are going to ISO, read the posts and then make that post where you voted for her in less than 3 minutes, but, perhaps I am slow, I usually need to re-read what people are saying, and then read it in the context of the other posts regarding that post to make an informed decision before I put a vote down, and I do not feel like you could have spent any time analyzing at all since those 2 posts were only 3 minutes apart.

Unvote:
Vote gandalf5166

[tanstalas]

Unvote, vote:tanstalas

Mariyta, can you summarize the Exe case for me?

Yo, Troll, what's happening bro? Long time no type.

Awww, thanks, I thought you guys stopped loving me

[tanstalas]

Upon review, I found his interaction with Mariyta over the PM flavor to be genuine...or at least I can see where he would be coming from as town. tanstalas' vote after everything was over was opportunistic and missing the point, imo.

You found it opportunistic and I was missing the point?

What would you say of:

Alright so let's see what's happened so far.

Tans jump on Nocase seems contrived: Vote-hopping is not really a tell--even late game it's weak--and it really seems more like Tans doesn't like being voted for. His questioning of VPB shows this as well.

Unvote. Vote: Tans

Uite: calling Troll's style anti-town is pointless. Argue playstyle post-game, in the meantime tell us who you find scummy. What you are doing is just distracting. It would be extremely useful for you to tell us of actual reads on players.

@Mariyta: Do you have anything to comment on other than the Fake DK and defending Tans?

You do not mention anything of Exe, in fact this whole game you haven't.. EXCEPT to question why people had their votes on him:

How would her flip produce a lot of reads nocase? Seems like her screwiness with the flavor was pretty universally disliked. Also, why are you voting Exe?

Unvote, vote:tanstalas

Mariyta, can you summarize the Exe case for me?

Yo, Troll, what's happening bro? Long time no type.

Also I didn't bring this one up earlier, but I filed it away mentally:

I do not know if it is scummy

I do find it suspicious of him

Perhaps now you will begin to see where I'm coming from. These are what we call synonyms.

Do you think that nocase switching his vote to me because I did not comment on the Mariyta thing is a justified vote?

I think it was page two and such a vote switch means little to nothing at that point.

Even nocase picked it up, and I am sure you did too, you just wanted to paraphrase what I was saying to make it look scummier:

there is a distinction between being leery of me and thinking i'm scummy, and while players often conflate the two in their writing i think tanstalas was/is aware of it. i don't like that attack on him.

Is this directed at me or tanstalas?

Let's look at what you quoted me saying closer:

I do not know if it is scummy

I do find it suspicious of him

Perhaps now you will begin to see where I'm coming from. These are what we call synonyms.

And what I REALLY said:

You didn't explain your vote on me, you just asked me a question if I thought him vote-hopping was scummy. Let me repeat this: You asked if I found it scummy coming from

HIM

- I replied I do not know if it is scummy coming from

HIM

- as a general rule, and feel free to disagree with me as it looks like most people do disagree with me, I do find it suspicious of him that he vote hopped

for the reason

he vote hopped, which I

ALREADY

explained.

Let me throw my suspicions out here. I think the 3 scum in this game are Gandalf, Exe and VP Baltar.

I think VP voted gandalf as his "bussing" vote and when he saw the wagon gathering steam he though "oh shit - he might get lynched" so you backed off that. What you accused me of in the originally quoted part of this reply is what Exe did (as I see it anyhow) I provided even more reasoning for my vote than he did, yet you never batted an eye, in fact you questioned other people why they were voting your scum buddy.

If this game ends and you three are the scum, I expect to be nominated for that scummy

[tanstalas]

TO make it even more fun, all the posts Exe has made in reference to Gandalf:

In regards to Gandalf, he's being as useless as ever. Would like to see more content out of him, but I've yet to see a game where he didn't spend half the time goofing off, regardless of alignment.

Gandalf seems slightly more pro-town than usual.

Went from being useless to pro-town

Next quote is the 3rd time he mentions Gandalf in defense of him because Mothrax starts to suspect Gandalf, and also one of the only 3 times he mentioned VP Baltar as well, coming up with another reason to vote for Mothrax - the ironic thing in this is that he accuses Mothrax of chainsaw defense, and if Exe is scum with VPB and Gandalf it makes this quote even better, oh the irony:

Uite's vote of Xvart makes sense, however I don't really feel as though the claim was saving enough to deserve an unvote of Mariyta, based on his previous attitude. Worth noting if Mariyta ultimately flips scum.

Alright, Mothrax is really suspicious at this point.

@troll: no, I do not have a town read on mariyta at this point. I don't think I ever implied as such. I just think gandalf is more likely to be scum.

Besides the fact that the case he posted on Gandalf was crap, this is a huge backtrack. His case was a blatant chainsaw defense of Mariyta.
His ISO isn't really any better. A gut vote on VPB while suggesting in his 3rd post that he is still random voting. Stinks of scum.

Unvote. Vote: Mothrax

So these are the other 2 times that Exe mentions VBP:

Alright so let's see what's happened so far.

Tans jump on Nocase seems contrived: Vote-hopping is not really a tell--even late game it's weak--and it really seems more like Tans doesn't like being voted for. His questioning of VPB shows this as well.

Unvote. Vote: Tans

Lets vote for Tans, Tans is questioning my scum partner!

@Uite: Of course I was reading the game. Funny you ask, since the reason I quoted my exact post was because you called me out on not posting content even though it was right there in that post. However, this argument seems to be veering towards pettiness, so I will simply ask you another more relevant question.
What makes you think Vi and VPB are scummy?

Questioning a vote on VBP

Now lets look at Gandalf:

Only time he mentions Exe in the game thus far:

I actually like tans' post on Exe. I'm not sure why.

Stop trying to buddy up with me because you know I am town

Times he mentions VPB in the game...

Once, when he quoted VBP's joke RVS vote on Zorblag

The first time in the game where VBP talked about Gandalf was when he voted him, and then shortly unvoted him after the wagon picked up steam. And from above post you can see how many times he discussed Exe, only when he questioned people why they were voting for him

@VBP - Am I

still

missing the point?

[tanstalas]

Yes

Yes, as in when game is over and we find out you three were the scum and I caught you all on Day 1 you will nominate me for the "Paragon of Mafia Hunters" Award?

[tanstalas]

I'm starting to believe it after that huge conspiracy theory of fail he posted. Need to reassess things perhaps.

Why don't you point out what was wrong in my analysis instead of just calling me bad.

Everything I said was true. You three together have seemed most scummy to me, and I made points, also your interactions between you three make me suspicious as well.

Do you DENY that Exe's case on me was WORSE than my case on Gandalf? Seriously. They were the same thing, except I actually explained my vote more than Exe did on me. I want you to answer that question.

[tanstalas]

1) Exe's case on you is not related to your case on gandalf in any way, shape or form.

2) Nor is my opinion of Exe related to my opinion of you or my opinion of him.

3) You have no flips to justify anything you're saying;

4) therefore, you should take your

ball

tea leaves and go home.

#1 You wouldn't call Exe's case on me opportunistic? Really? You think his vote on me was justified? You think it was a good reason? You REALLY think that Exe's case on me for a vote was better than my case on Gandalf for a vote?

I really do not expect an answer from you, I expect you to evade the question or call me a VI.

#2 You have an opinion of Exe? Well I guess you have an opinion of Exe, sure you do, you are either town and you think he is town because you have ONLY defended him in ANY posts you have made regarding him, or he is your scum buddy - if he gets lynched and flips scum I guess you can also play the 'dumb' card and say "gosh, gee willikers, I really thought he was town"

#3 For the third part: You have flips to justify anything that

you

are saying?

#4 I guess we will see when this game ends who should take their

ball

tea leaves and go home

[tanstalas]

It looks like most of us agree to an Exe lynch

Unvote:
Vote: Exe

I've given plenty of reasons in past posts (even though most of you don't agree with them, so be it, that's just how I see it)

[tanstalas]

I will say that I really didn't like the way VP Baltar handled Tanstalas' accusations. Instead of dealing with them properly, he attacks Tans' credibility instead. Very scummy.

Again, forest for the trees, etc. I actually did respond as to why his case was not worth responding to, that being his fundamental flaw of making a ton of connections without any flips to back up his claims. If you feel this is legit scumhunting, then I don't know what to tell you. I'm not going to point by point something like that because it has no merit in the first place.

Then hop on the Exe train and let us see some flips. Or are you afraid if Exe flips scum it will somewhat validate my crazy theory?

[tanstalas]

I found another question while I was cleaning up tabs.

Hey Mariyta, in 123 you said Exe is likely Town. Why?

I think Vi meant 133 or Mariyta's ISO-13

[tanstalas]

I always thought that Vi was an 'older' dude.. the fact that he is quoting Lady Gaga now has me wondering...

[tanstalas]

*sets out tanstalas bait*

Is it chicken? It better be chicken.

Anyhow, I'm here and reading the thread, not much to say since the conversation kind of stopped in its tracks.

I already laid out my thoughts a few days ago, not much has changed since then to sway my thinking, except to say VPB seems slightly more town. I am unchanged on Gandalf and Exe

[tanstalas]

Tans, if you're gonna back down on

one of us

, you're gonna have to back down on

all of us

, as your ENTIRE case hinges on us all being scum together.

What part of VBP seems slightly more town reads as I am backing down on anyone?

And no, my entire case on

you

does not hinge on you all being scum together. Please go re-read my ISO and stop saying stupid things. I tied VPB into you and Exe being scum together in my ISO-14

I had made points on

you

and

Exe

ON YOUR OWN

before I made the post that tied you all together.

ISO-8 - Talked about Exe
ISO-9 Talked about you and your small time between where you said you were going to ISO Mariyta then voted for her
ISO-10 - Back to Exe
ISO-12 - Back to you

ISO-14 & 15 - Conspiracy theory posts where I tied you all together

I

would

agree that my case on VPB hinges on you and Exe flipping scum though

[tanstalas]

This is a vote that's based on the fact that the mariyta wagon is potentially dying. However, Mariyta has done nothing to clear himself, and if he returns to L-1 I have no problem hammering.

Sorry, classes have been nuts lately. Let's see here.

Your case on TL is actually decent, but I hadn't gotten a strong scum-vibe from his actions myself yet. I am still favoring NS at the moment. I'd like to see how TL responds.
It seems like pretty much no one is going to post before deadline, and I'm obviously not in favor of a no-lynch, D1 no-lynch pretty much fucks the town.

So if the TL wagon gets to L-1 before deadline, I'll hammer.

First quote is from this game, second quote is from Hospital Madness (Vi actually quoted from this game earlier as well) where Exe was scum

[tanstalas]

In the second quote, you're ignoring the context. We were at a deadline lynch, I was expressing dismay at having to lynch a bad target at the deadline. That situation is not the same as this one.

I would say you were

feigning

expressing dismay at "having" to lynch TL, since he was town and you were scum - also you still had 3 days.

Regardless, both posts were talking about you claiming that you would hammer if someone got to L-1, in this game I do not know your alignment - in the hospital game I know you were scum. The only thing I can think of as to why you would even say that would be to justify it the next day after you quickhammered saying "Well, I said if they got to L-1 I would hammer"

And Tans whole case on me is OMGUS. Not sure if it's scum or town, but either way a hugely biased read. And his whole case seems to be based on me, VPB, and gandalf as a scum-team, which is just silly.

I would like to redirect you to post #401 where I answered Gandalf. My entire case on you and Gandalf is not dependent on all of you being scum. My case on VBP though I would agree hinges on you and Gandalf flipping scum.

In regards to me trying to pull a quick hammer, that is simply not the case. Mariyta was scummy, his claim even more so, and I planned to hammer for it. It was as simple as that.

Also, the above isn't really that much of a tell, however Mariyta is a HER and it has been pointed out multiple times this game, and twice that I can remember directed at you personally by Gandalf in his post #197 and Mariyta in her post #228. I know that town can be lazy - but I find that scum skim games more than town and miss little things.

[tanstalas]

Tans

- were there any counterwagons viable at the time of Exe's claim in the other game?

Just by going by the votecounts before that lynch it looks like Charnel and NS were viable lynches, Charnel was scum and NS was town. That is entirely out of context though as I was just looking at the votecounts, but there must have been suspicion on those 3 at one time (the third being TL who eventually got lynched)

Zorblag, nobody needed to say that. I'm pretty sure that everyone here is fully aware that we don't want any more claims. For anyone that's wondering, I claimed because I had a case against me that was based on the false assumption that I wasn't a VT. So I claimed VT so people would stop attacking me for absolutely no reason. I figured better now than when somebody brought it up again two days later.

gandalf5166's claim was entirely unnecessary

Apparently it DID need to have been said - when you claimed in post#280 you had 4 people currently on your wagon (Mothrax, Uite, inHimshallibe and myself)

I still believe Exe is scum, and I still believe Gandalf is scum, and looking at that VT claim when there was no need to claim

I also do not like how Gandalf says that Bellydancer could EASILY be a scum role.. uhh, pretty much anything can be a scum role with flavor. Did that really need to be said? (meh I see Vi touched on that in 442)

From a strategy/theory perspective, I want to point out that I think a quick game is a game in favor of town. Fast lynches mean scum have less time to develop a safe position.

Can you explain this? I really do not agree with that statement at all, unless the game stalls I think the days should go as long as possible so we can get the most information we can to have an informed lynch. The only way a quick game/quick lynches would hinder scum would be if they had the ability to daychat. Do you have a daychat in this game Exe? Hmmmm?

[tanstalas]

Oh wow. Bellydancer could EASILY be a scum role.

Why?

This question stands out; it kinda seems like it has an obvious answer.

I must be missing something, as this was advertised as a heavily flavored game I think any role could be fit into a scum or town role based on flavor.

Curious as to why Gandalf felt the need to comment on it easily being a scum role, with emphasis on easily.

I think it was his bussing attempt

*puts his tinfoil hat back on*

[tanstalas]

I think now would be a good time to get a conversation with him going.

I'm up for a chat. What's up?

I will agree I am tunneling on Gandalf and Exe. I do truly believe those two are scum. VBP I am starting to feel less confident in flipping scum.

I still do not think Mariyta is scum.

I think mothrax needs to post more.

Same goes for inHimshallibe. (though I am being a hypocrite as he probably has more posts this game than I do)

I think you are probably town as you are one of the few people this game that continue to push the game forward and ask

good

questions. Same goes for xvart and Uite.

nocase and Zorblag I have a neutral read on.

As the game progresses and we see a couple flips we can do some more analysis based on wagons/interactions and with whatever flips we see my views might change.

[tanstalas]

tanstalas - What do you think of a mothrax vote?

Personally he hasn't struck me as scummy, perhaps in a re-read I may pick up stuff that I may have missed my first go-around. Although his flip would be good for some wagon analysis to go back and analyze his wagon if he flips town for who was pushing and for what reason. However you could also say that for Mariyta, Exe, Gandalf, Myself (and if Exe or Gandalf flipped town I'd be worried for my own life)

I'll do a re-read or an ISO of Mothrax later and give you a better idea.. though on my days off now, and my time on here generally drops considerably on my days off (I usually play at work because usually dead @ work) and hey getting paid to play mafiascum is a bonus I'll try to do a good re-read and post before that though (My next day in isn't until Sunday)

[tanstalas]

Out of curiosity, what is your (listed) occupation?

I work in a NOC (Network Operations Center) - Telecommunications

[tanstalas]

OK - I just re-read Mothrax's ISO. I do not think a mothrax lynch at this point in time is a good thing. He has basically (imo) lurked most of this game thus far/not provided much content.

I would much rather lynch someone who has posted a lot of content and seemed scummy on D1 than lynch a lurker.

Although I am hating that he said he was going to post Monday and he never did. And we (Vi and myself) saw him on last night reading the thread. Now he could just be checking from his phone - I know I do that a lot, and it's a pain to post, especially if you need to use tags, but a simple "On phone, sorry I didn't get to post Monday will try to post later this week" type of post would have been nice.

Though like I said, he has not come across as scummy in my eyes this game to the point that it justifies a lynch. There are much better candidates for a lynch D1

Having said that he is also pushing for a Gandalf lynch, and I fully support that. Or Exe.

[tanstalas]

I'm not sure what the fuck you're talking about, but you also know that I literally ALWAYS bus like fuck D1.

If I go back to any of your previous games I will not find any games where you did not bus on D1?

[tanstalas]

Exe is going to flip town.

I want to be clear. When I said that his role could easily be scum, I simply meant that his claim was a crappy reason to unvote him, not that his claim was scummy.

Can you explain the above bolded? Did you think that Exe's flavor would make it look like a town death? Or was the above WIFOM-y so we would think oh look Gandalf says Exe is going to flip town... oh wait, Exe flipped scum, but Gandalf thought he was town, so he must be town or was it just a case of not paying attention to what you were typing, which in a game of mafia.. not too smart.. I always re-read what I say a few times as town or scum.

Also not liking how you and Exe both tried to say "Your whole case relies on the three of us being scum together" and well, it doesn't.

You say you always bus D1, so I guess if you flip scum then Mothrax is your partner?

Also previous points on you still stand, so..

Vote:Gandalf

[tanstalas]

ISO:23

Lol. You can request flavor for a POWER ROLE.

So - How would you know you can request flavor for a power role? When 7 posts later you claim you are a VT?

ISO:30

I AM A VANILLA TOWNIE

ISO:25

scum would

almost certainly

be told that they could receive flavor.

Town PRs not so much

maybe

.

So let's get this right. In your ISO:23 you say that POWER ROLES can request flavor

In your ISO:25 you say that scum would probably have been told they can receive flavor, but you do not know if Town PR's can..

So if you know that PR's CAN request flavor but not sure if TOWN PR's can...

So - I'm thinking you are scum and you DO have a PR.

The reason I think you said what you said in ISO:23 is because you know you can request flavor for PR's because you ARE one. That is the only thing that makes sense to me. However in your ISO-25 you sound less confident that TOWN PR's can, however you are almost positive that scum can (I assume you mean goon's here. I guess you didn't talk about that in your scum QT before the game started?)

[tanstalas]

What I meant was that as a VT,

my PM states that I may request flavor for any power role if I so wish

. Epic fail at reading comprehension. There's a reason for prepositional phrases, you know.

Read your PM again and tell me that it says "you can request flavor for any Power Role you wish", or if you misunderstood what your PM said. And then tell me who has the epic fail at reading comprehension.

[tanstalas]

Okay, what it actually says is that at request, he will provide me with a flavor line for a power role of my choosing. Remind me how the hell it matters? And how it means I'm bad at reading comprehension?

@Mariyta - Does your PM say you can request a flavor line for a POWER role? (keyword is "FOR" a power role) Or does it just say "for a role"

[tanstalas]

@mod

- I hope the above isn't going against the quoting mod PM's as it was already mentioned before by Gandalf

Not the whole PM, just a part of it

[tanstalas]

OH MY FUCKING GOD TANS. ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TRYING TO FORCE ME TO QUOTE MY PM. NO IT DOES NOT SAY POWER ROLE, BUT "POWER" IS STRONGLY IMPLIED BY THE PREVIOUS LINE, WHICH SAYS THAT POWER ROLES WOULD HAVE A FLAVOR LINE.

Fate? Is that you?

I didn't say anything about quoting your PM.

You are the one that said:

By the way, my role PM also says

specifically

that I may request flavor for any

power role

I wish.

I wanted to know if it said

specifically

that you could request flavor for a

POWER

role or just flavor for "a role".

Okay, what it actually says is that at request, he will provide me with a flavor line for a power role of my choosing. Remind me how the hell it matters? And how it means I'm bad at reading comprehension?

@Mariyta - Does your PM say you can request a flavor line for a POWER role? (keyword is "FOR" a power role) Or does it just say "for a role"

You COULD have just replied "for a role" and said that you had made a mistake. I do enjoy this over-the-top reaction of yours though.

So all in all, we learn you made a mistake on an earlier post, and when questioned on it you argued with me, and after I pushed a little more you finally realize you screwed up. So I assume the reason you are posting all in caps and swearing is because you realize now that you have the reading comprehension issues?

I was trying to determine if you could change a PR's flavor, so if you know they flipped scum you could PM the mod with an alternate flavor so the flip would be seen as town or something (I guess like a janitor?) Which would have made sense with your "Exe is town" statement (because you know you could change the flavor so you know he would "appear" town) or something..

Anyhow, previous points still stand. Also I still love Uite's case on you for the hypocrisy in voting for Mariyta at the start of the game.

So, Gandalf, what is your case on me anyhow? The fact that I am trying to make a case on you? Do you have any other arguments or is your plan to just post in all caps and swear at me for the game?

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I DONT HAVE ANY FUCKING READING COMPREHENSION ISSUES. YOU JUST KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EXACT FUCKING WORDING OF MY PM, WHICH I DIDNT BOTHER WITH BECAUSE ITS ENTIRELY FUCKING IRRELEVANT. NOW YOURE JUST TRYING TO GET ME MODKILLED.

Anyways, how the fuck would whether it said power role or role have had anything to do with your latest crock of bullshit?

I was trying to determine if you could change a PR's flavor, so if you know they flipped scum you could PM the mod with an alternate flavor so the flip would be seen as town or something (I guess like a janitor?) Which would have made sense with your "Exe is town" statement (because you know you could change the flavor so you know he would "appear" town) or something..

By the way, my role PM also says specifically that I may request flavor for any power role I wish.

I took that to possibly mean you had a PR where you could request flavor for ANY PR you wanted (IE: Someone else's PR). Long stretch but meh... which I thought I explained in my previous post. So if for example you knew Exe was scum you could PM Ythill saying "Change Exe's flavor to say she was a belly dancer of the Ungrika clan". Long shot, I know.. when I'm town I'm a bit paranoid...

Classy post by the way, perhaps you can try to drop five F-bombs in your next one.

Nowhere did I ask you to quote ANY part of your PM, I just asked for you to clarify what you already said your PM contained. Though, I guess that's just your reading comprehension problem?

Oh, and:

So, Gandalf, what is your case on me anyhow? The fact that I am trying to make a case on you? Do you have any other arguments or is your plan to just post in all caps and swear at me for the game?

Hmm, actually, never mind. You answered that with your last post. Option #2 it is!

[tanstalas]

all right, guys, i'm ready to go out on a limb.

And...?

[tanstalas]

I'm not sure what the fuck you're talking about, but you also know that I literally ALWAYS bus like fuck D1.

If I go back to any of your previous games I will not find any games where you did not bus on D1?

Not any of my completed games.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=14811

Where did you bus there D1?

[tanstalas]

My partner was almost totally inactive, I didn't feel like bussing in that situation would have been advantageous since he was pretty much entirely under the radar.

And this one?

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=14905

I suppose this one won't count either because it was a marathon game

I must say you have an uncanny knack at getting town roles. And when I do find a game where you were scum it it not what I would consider a "completed" game as you either replaced in as scum or replaced out of the game.

I'll keep looking though, unless you want to retract your "literally ALWAYS" statement that you bus D1

[tanstalas]

Whatever. I still think you are scum. However - I do not think you are the best informational lynch for the day.

Unvote:

I need to re-read

[tanstalas]

I laugh every time scum tries to justify not lynching their "suspects" by claiming that they "won't give any info". If someone is scum, they're scum.

Why would you lynch town

to find scum when you can just lynch scum and actually find scum yourselves later?

Why bother pushing you when you just deflect anything I say to you?

Besides, I could probably get your wagon to 3 (Uite and Mothrax) but I think the other people are cutting their teeth to lynch inHim, Troll or Vi

I like how you still haven't explained your vote on me though, aside from it being completely OMGUS

"Tans is trying to make a case on me - so I'll vote him" is how I read it

Anyhow I find your words interesting.

When did I say anything about lynching town?

I said informational lynches. You do not think a scum lynch would be informational? I think Exe lynch was informational and he flipped scum.

Do you think this game only had 2 scum members in it total?

[tanstalas]

I don't think Mariyta and Exe are aligned together.

QFT. Of course, yesterday I could have been convinced that they were both town, but they're definitely not on the

same

scumteam.

Was just rereading, and no offense to nocase, but I found the above odd. Can you explain your wording here for me Gandalf? Specifically the last two words.

Same scumteam?

Do you have additional information of the game setup? How do you know there is more than one scumteam?

[tanstalas]

That's what I thought you meant, it was just weird the way you phrased it, instead of like "not scum together" or something.

However I'm still scratching my head over Exe's "role" what is a unique? Or is that just the definition Ythill gave because Exe may have been given the powers that he claimed (neighborizer/tracker) and since that is not a real "defined" role he called it unique.. though not sure why it wasn't just defined as neighborizer/tracker. Probably the first part is the right thing, can anyone advise if they have ever seen Ythill use unique to define a role? I just want to make sure that Exe wasn't a "3rd party" scum that could have been recruited into the scumteam.

@Gandalf

- In your opinion since you think Mariyta is confirmed town now, would you say that Exe was bussing Mothrax on D1 or trying to mislynch? Specifically his ISO-8 where he accused Mothrax of a blatant chainsaw defense of Mariyta by making a case on you?

[tanstalas]

OK, way to ignore/deflect the question. Let's just rearrange it a bit then:

Since we now know that Exe is confirmed scum, would you say that Exe was bussing Mothrax on D1 or trying to mislynch? Specifically his ISO-8 where he accused Mothrax of a blatant chainsaw defense of Mariyta by making a case on you?

[tanstalas]

Only reason I ask, nocase, is because I'm aware you'd probably like to use it against me, and I have a couple of things to do before you take any silly, irreversible actions.

When you say you have things to do, do you mean 'today'?

I'm probably so focused on gandalf I missed something, why is Vi and Mariyta voting for inHim? As late as Vi's ISO-68 he said inHim was pro-town and Mariyta was banging the Xvart is scum drum and all of a sudden today they just flip over to inHim?

Is it because of the unvote of Exe when he was at L-1? He left Exe at L-1 for 2 days, someone could have hammered in those two days easy.

Is it because of the eagerness to claim? Serious questions, most (if not all) are more experienced than I am and I am trying to figure out what you guys see.

Oh and..

I don't really like the Exe wagon much. I'm not sure why, but if he flips scum, I'll eat my hat. I don't have a hat, but I'll go out and buy one so that I can eat it.

I want pics as proof

[tanstalas]

Choose one of the following, and I'll make it happen:
VP Baltar makes a post related to the game.
VP Baltar controls my vote the rest of the day.

Does VPB actually make the post, or do you "channel" him through you, hence you make the post?

[tanstalas]

Hi mothrax!

Was he creeping the thread again and not posting?

[tanstalas]

Whatever. I still think you are scum. However - I do not think you are the best informational lynch for the day.

Woah, wait a second. You don't want to lynch scum but you want to do informational lynches? What could be better information wise than lynching scum?

Really? You quote this and say I "don't" want to lynch scum and then in the very next line you quote where I said I didn't say anything about lynching town? Why would you even do this? Listen Xvart. By information lynch I meant that if we lynch Gandalf AND he is scum it will tell me nothing about who his scum buddies/buddy are/is. It would confirm Uite as town IMO (Though he is already there basically) and probably Mothrax (as long as he didn't hop off the wagon when Gandalf got to L-1 or something). There are other people in the game who look scummy who I think would make better informational flips as they have interacted/been interacted with more people and there would be more to go off.

Plus even I know I am focusing on Gandalf too much and am probably missing the forest for the trees.

Anyhow I find your words interesting.

When did I say anything about lynching town?

I said informational lynches. You do not think a scum lynch would be informational? I think Exe lynch was informational and he flipped scum.

But the subtext is you are subverting a lynch on someone you think is scum to get an informational lynch which precludes alignment

.

I never said alignment would not come into my choice for picking another person to lynch. Seriously? Point out where I said I'm going to vote to lynch someone that is the best informational lynch without looking at if they may be scum or town.

By backpedaling here you are covering up that you originally said that you want to lynch someone for information but who you are less likely to think is scum (and might be town) compared to the person you think is actually scum.

Yes, I am, I agree with you here. I explained this already, the Gandalf wagon would most likely not get above three people - why would I continue to ramble on about Gandalf when I would never get the needed support for the lynch? Do you not think my time would be better spent looking at who else may be scum?

If it was any other way

you would have said I want to lynch my other likely scum suspect

because that person will give us more information.

I did not have another "suspect" at the time, well, I did, but it was more of a gut feeling, hence why I said I need to re-read the thread

And if that was the case, what more information could you get other than support for your gandalf theory. That makes no sense because he is your number one suspect.

If we end up lynching someone else and he flips scum and we see some ties back to Gandalf then great, if not, so be it. I was already wrong on VPB, I could very well be wrong on Gandalf as well, quite a few people think he is town, there are probably only 2 scum left, which means if Gandalf is one of them than at least 2 people that are confirmed town just by the numbers think Gandalf is town.

[tanstalas]

I'm really not liking tans' recent posts. For one, the content is horrible. If there are only two scum left and I'm one of them, what would be the point in lynching the other scum if we're just going to lynch me once he's dead anyways? But two, they just seem cold. Stale. Like he spent way too long editing it until any emotion was gone from his post.

Just wondering, do you even read my posts?

[tanstalas]

EBWOP - And I doubt the knife kill will count since you know, he posted from the wrong account

[tanstalas]

I'm really not liking tans' recent posts. For one, the content is horrible. If there are only two scum left and I'm one of them, what would be the point in lynching the other scum if we're just going to lynch me once he's dead anyways? But two, they just seem cold. Stale. Like he spent way too long editing it until any emotion was gone from his post.

Just wondering, do you even read my posts?

I did. And basically what you said was "Hey, we'll lynch my buddy, and then I'll point out some random connection between him and Gandalf and then we can wagonwagonwagon."

You really need to stop skimming.

[tanstalas]

Yeah, you provided some more justification for unvoting me, but we both know that's a crock of bullshit.

If you unvoted because my lynch didn't have support, you would have said that when you unvoted.

Really? Do you always state reasons of why you are removing a vote?

In fact in the same post where I unvoted you I explicitly stated "I need to re-read". I would say that is a reason.

Whatever though. I do not find that people always state the reasons they are unvoting someone - just when they place a vote on someone.

If you are using this as a scum-tell would you like me to go back through your games and find posts made by you when you unvoted someone without a reason? No? Why not? Because it is not a tell in any way, shape or form.

And in fact I unvoted, you made a comment asking why I unvoted you and I explained my reasoning for unvoting you.

Why bother pushing you when you just deflect anything I say to you?

Besides, I could probably get your wagon to 3 (Uite and Mothrax) but I think the other people are cutting their teeth to lynch inHim, Troll or Vi

Seriously, stop huffing the glue man, it kills brain cells and is causing you to really stretch now.

[tanstalas]

For some reason I thought you were going after Troll with the daykill

[tanstalas]

@Post 712

I have already explained my reasoning for unvoting many times. You and Gandalf really need to stop skimming.

The fact that I have already explained my unvote many times and you continue to try and turn it into a scum-tell is mildly annoying at best.

Unsure of what breadcrumb Vi is talking about (even though he quoted Xvart's post) unless it has to do with his ability... or I just had too much Christmas cheer and I am not thinking straight.

In other news: Mothrax and Troll need to post more

[tanstalas]

Ahh, I see where you are going now. I was concentrating on the "braided wool" part of the sentence. Even googled that + gypsy to see if that could be a connection or something. Yeah, the word unique in there is curious.

Vi - what are your thoughts now on inHim? I was considering voting for him after he claimed, the "crone"; role sounds more evil than good. Typically crone's are sinister, evil things. I can understand you wanting him to live just so VPB can post again.

I am wondering about the mechanics of the ability though, does VPB get to post to the game from his account or does inHim post it from a PM or something? Regardless of whichever it is it doesn't tell us anything about inHim's alignment. Though I have never played a Ythill modded game, is he as likely to make a typically "evil" type character a Town PR?

Also, I do realize the hypocrisy of me saying others should post more

[tanstalas]

I'm prob scum and yet you haven't voted me?

Pull some more shit out of a hat.

Vouched for Mariyta, Pushed for an Exe Lynch. Maybe one of those on their own you could say was bussing/buddying - both on D1?

I was on the fence about you for the longest time. I figured I would give you a reprieve since it is the Christmas season, however everyone else seems to be able to provide content. You just sit in the back and lurk and then post your list with no reasoning whatsoever.

Lately you also seem to be role-fishing. Saying you agree with Vi for a MC and then when Vi says he is wondering what the hell you are talking about and you backpedal and come up with the bullshit excuse in your ISO-35 and make a separate heading in your ISO-37 to keep track of who hasn't claimed.

Your ISO-27 just reads as lazy as well. You vote for nocase because of what you thought Vi said seems "off" to me.

Actually your entire ISO just seems lazy as hell.

Vote:Mothrax

[tanstalas]

Werebeer

I love this concept when you say it like this. It's so...

exploitable

. *runs to setup design table*

I was hoping something like that would happen.

@Uite: It's a one-shot, one post deal, and nothing more. So is the vote control (though that persists through the whole Day). I get to pick who posts, but all the Ungrika ghosts can speak with the person I choose and help formulate the post.

I personally would like you to save this ability for tomorrow then, if Vi does die tonight and flips town I think it would be more beneficial to have input from three other townies.

[tanstalas]

...Why would you use a Hider-style ability on someone you (I guess) thought was Mafia?
And why would you use a Thief-style ability on someone who claimed vanilla?

That ^^

Why would you not have investigated Vi? You seem to have been putting a lot on him, even starting today you went straight for Vi's throat.

I really should have seen that flip coming.

Especially since you probably knew his alignment already. Seriously, your unvote of Exe was pretty terrible considering you still mockingly called him scum in the same post.

...etc

In addition to Vi's questions I find it interesting that while the talk about massclaiming was being bantered about you kept very quiet, after Mariyta was killed you decided you would tell us you investigated the 'dead person' who claimed VT, this isn't adding up

NINJA'd!

SO WHO'S UP FOR A LYNCHING?

Unvote:
Vote: Xvart

[tanstalas]

...Why would you use a Hider-style ability on someone you (I guess) thought was Mafia?
And why would you use a Thief-style ability on someone who claimed vanilla?

It is not the traditional hider where I die when I hide with scum. I am not at my place during the night. I suppose it is like a weak investigative role/weak protective role (weak as in not strong). At least I was using it as an investigative role. I chose Mariyta because of the fiasco with gandalf and Mariyta yesterday and the VT claiming. I was still had nagging suspicions of her going into night and figured if she was scum I would have stolen something scummy even if she was only a goon. I didn't pick Vi because Vi was obvious scum at last night and I didn't want to waste a ability in the night on someone I was going to be trying to lynch.

I haven't been an investigative role before but I have gathered that you use your investigations on people you aren't sure of; not people you are convinced are scum.

Joined: September 11, 2009

I do not buy your story.

If I look through your past history I will never see a game where you had an investigative type role? Or saw an investigative type role in a game you were in?

[tanstalas]

Hole-y claim is full of holes. Don't you THINK you might have warned nocase?

God, I totally forgot about that part.

Seriously, I want an answer before someone hammers him, I could do with a laugh

[tanstalas]

tanstalas- tansscum busses. Uberbusses.

I LOL'd

[tanstalas]

VLA until probably Sunday

Booze time!

[tanstalas]

I am good with a Mothrax or Xvart lynch at this point.

Like nocase, I am wondering where Troll's content is

[tanstalas]

I'm fine with the Xvart lynch, I would have also been fine with the Mothrax lynch. Vi's "LOL - I'm not gonna die" post struck me as odd, and I thought about switching my vote to him, then I thought about it and if he really is town and has been telling the truth than noone will die tonight so even if Xvart is a mislynch we are still doing ok since Vi will not die and since the scum need to submit their kills a day in advance we are still sitting where we would have been had we not learnt of Vi's 1 shot NK immunity. Though, if scum do change their kill and someone dies tonight I will be looking at Vi tomorrow

[tanstalas]

I'll sheep - your reads are far better than mine

Vote: Uite

I think you should unvote then revote though Vi, so I can be the first person on each wagon

[tanstalas]

yay!

[tanstalas]

#888 - What's with the vote? Did you mean to vote me, you talked about other players then boom, vote me?

#890 - I REALLY do not buy this post, ESPECIALLY the part where you are feigning concern about the possibility or lynching a townie so you need to "re-read". You just replaced into the game and we went to night shortly after, you had three days (probably closer to 4) to re-read this game, the game should be fresh in your mind. And after three days all you can come up with is speculation on if scum might be able to request flavor?

Unvote; Vote Seraphim

2 out of 3 won't be bad

[tanstalas]

huh? Who died?

[tanstalas]

@Vi - if you died today do you think you would know who was going to be killed the next day? If we used Inhim's ability tomorrow that is and brought you back

[tanstalas]

To be completely honest, I didn't expect needing to replace so I wasn't keeping up with the game thread so I'll have some reading to do.

Above quote makes me think you were reading, which kind of goes against what you just said:

Sure, I read the game but I probably skimmed a lot of it because it's a lot of reading, a lot of boring reading actually.

And how do you not know if you skimmed. Either you did or you did not. Why the word probably?

I haven't quite finished reading but holy shit, looking at this last page, that claim is so scummy it's ridiculous. It's worthy of my vote even without all the other scummy things he's done.

I promise I'll elaborate later along with more fun reads of other players too!

So you are still reading, someone that is 'skimming' probably would have been done by now.. hmm

Oh and we still haven't heard you elaborate later with 'fun reads' of other players. Where is that information/analysis you promised us?

It's just that reading 20-odd pages of fruitless wagoning, of ALMOST lynching the scum and then almost switching and THEN almost lynching scum etc etc etc gets me ANTSY.

I just had to quote this one for the LULZ... almost lynching scum? uhh... check the lynches, 100% of them were on scum. Would have been flawless up to this point except a full moon came around *peers at nocase*

What the fuck.

I haven't even finished reading yet.

Still indicating that you are still reading... so this post is 5 days after you replaced in now? Surely someone who was just SKIMMING would have been done by now?

What is your case on me anyhow? I missed that part, unless it was "Lynch Tans, I'm town, honest!"

So, you are saying I epic double bussed in a game that has probably only 3 scum and also stuck up for someone who looked very scummy and flipped town? You are going to probably have to find yourself another scapegoat.

What I think you have done is very minimal amount of skimming because I know when I replace into a game as scum I just do enough skimming to get by, look to see who has been a bigger wagon in the past, go after them, read the posts of the person I replaced in so I don't counter what they already said, etc.

@mod

I don't know if you can answer this for me, but if Inhim uses his ability to allow the dead confirmed townies to post again do they have the recollection from their lives of who killed them? Or did travelling through the netherworld erase that from their memories? (longshot I know, but you guys were probably getting bored not hearing my crazy ideas)

[tanstalas]

How is Mothrax or Uite confirmed or confirmable? I really want you to answer that. And while you are at it you can give us the other reads you promised us.

Also, do you find it weird that your predecessor didn't vote any of the known scum, and that only he and Xvart were the people on my wagon D2?

Also the fact that he said so many times that he always bussed D1 which I found examples of games where he didn't he dismissed them?

Would you agree that your predecessor lied?

[tanstalas]

Sorry guys, I don't have much for now. I will say that I agree with nocase that inHim should use an ability to prove his role sooner rather than later. Preferably the letting a dead player post, since it's probably the most useful and unambiguous.

I'd like inhim to msg Ythill and find out if dead players do know who killed them then wait until tomorrow to use it. If they can - it may be useless to use it today since if say Seraphim is the last scum he might be the 'godfather' type of person and hence did not kill the others with his own hands, but if he is the last then he has to do it tonight, and since he has to submit his kills a day in advance he would have to do the killing himself tonight so tomorrow we would be able to find out who the scum is. Depending of course if they player even retains the memories from when they were alive.

2 out of 3 won't be bad

To me, this looks like all the world like he knows Seraphim is town. It's really making me second guess my town read on him. Still, Gandalf was hugely scummy as well, especially with the various connections people have pointed out now.

More like I am overly cocky, and hoping my gut feeling on him early game wasn't wrong.

Still waiting to hear from him on his justification for calling everyone else confirmed/confirmable town, should be an entertaining read.

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@Vi - Whew. I was starting to think you were infallible with your reads. Glad to see you can be wrong as well

[tanstalas]

I was torn between Uite and Mothrax. Gandalf/Seraphim was still nagging at the back of my mind however like I said on the previous day I did not think I could get enough support for a lynch on him, plus your reads had been better so I figured if I were to sheep anyone it would be you. Seraphim's vote on me made me look at him again. As town, when people call me scum it makes me think they are scum because since I know I am town and what I am saying is coming from a town perspective anyone who questions it must be scum. Not the best way to play, I know but it is a habit of mine that I know I should break.

If you care to, after the game any advice you would like to give me on my play would be appreciated. This goes to everyone in the game as well. I still am fairly new to mafia and know I play like a VI a bit.

Really interested in what you see that gave you some of your reads.

[tanstalas]

@Zorblag - oh yeah, forgot about the pitch pipe thing. Well, my question to Seraphim still stands on how Mothrax is confirmed town.

Anyhow, not that it matters anymore, but I may as well claim that I am a VT, I am sure most of you were already aware that I was based on my defense of Mariyta and my role flavor is a Tattoo Artist. I am curious though to Vi's reasoning for placing a vote on me. He was the one who actually said there needs to be a good case on me to push away what I have done this game.

@Vi - So what is your good case? Or are you just going with the 'doesn't matter who we lynch this game is in the bag' thing?

And nocase still hasn't answered me either.

[tanstalas]

Something is bugging me... Someone tried to frame Uite, vi called him scum so by her dying the natural conclusion would be to assume it was someone she had spoken out against. I need to reread her...

Wait, hold the bus, this confused me at first now... Is Vi a 'her'? That would make the above sentence make sense to me.

Plus the Lady Gaga thing would make sense as well... sorta

[tanstalas]

@tanstalas, well, the pitch pipe certainly makes me inclined to believe the minstrel part of Uite's claim but it isn't what I think makes him likely to be town. Are you aware of any other reasons at this point?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

I assume you mean post #886. I did not think that a RB would block someone from killing, I thought RB only prevented people from doing actions like investigations, etc.

[tanstalas]

Also, just looking back - I do not think Mothrax is the best choice for scum anymore, his interactions with Xvart near the end of D2 do not feel like they are on the same team (post #829) feels like more of an excuse just to try and get some votes on the other leading wagon.

Since you are all fairly confirmable as town at this point with only myself and Seraphim being the lone outsiders I am content in my vote.

If I do get lynched I think Seraphim should be the choice for tomorrow.

And I swear if Seraphim references the same thing for Mothrax I did...

[tanstalas]

I have a style?

Oh - and figured out Vi is female... I feel silly

[tanstalas]

Hey, my tattoo parlor was mentioned ^.^

So - have inHim use his ability today?

[tanstalas]

I have no qualms in lynching Mothrax. Waiting for Vi and company to post their thoughts.

I'm also thinking inHim might be scum, just the fact his abilities are instant where everyone else's are delayed, and I really do not like the flavor role name he has, sounds sinister. Though his ability (if true) would make no sense for a scum to have - unless Ythill put it in just to make that role seem more townie.

Also his reads seem to be way over the place lately. On ISO-80 he called me town, then in 84 he said Seraphin then me then Mothrax were his top 3 suspects, today in iso 87 he said Uite could be the last scum, and then in 89 (I think I am reading this right?) he hints that Troll might be scum and then in ISO 92 he goes back to Mothrax being first choice followed by Uite and me

Though inHim would be my 3rd lynch and I am sure most of you think he is town, so either way if he is scum he has this game in the bag and he knows it

[tanstalas]

Shoot Mothrax, if win yay, if not lynch Uite?

Granted if neither of them are scum then we lose because I have a bad feeling I'd be the lynch for tomorrow

[tanstalas]

Oh yeah, forgot about RB.

I approve of your plan!

[tanstalas]

This post is horrible. The AtE is noted, but what's worse is that you're setting up a lynch with

very

faulty logic. Consider this: if Mothrax is shot and he is scum, we win yay, but if he's not, that means that he really did block me, and I couldn't possibly have killed Vi, which pretty much confirms me as town. So lynching me then would be a demonstrably bad idea.

Except there is that thing floating around where it looks like Vi died from the flu.. however I do see your point. Well, I am blocked for tonight, so if not you or I for the lynch then who would you recommend if killing Mothrax doesn't end the game?

[tanstalas]

@Uite - How many scum do you think are still in the game?

[tanstalas]

or we could go the otherway and just daykill troll and lynch tans today

Why would we lynch me in this scenario? If you are town your RB would prevent me from killing. If anything it would be Daykill troll and lynch Uite and tomorrow if there is still a kill we lynch you

[tanstalas]

can you just shoot mothrax before we trick ourselves into keeping him alive?

The only problem I have with this is because he said that Ythill said it wouldn't go through if he was dead (the RB) I agree though, Mothrax is probably the best choice for a daykill. Or daykill Uite and vote no lynch to see if there is a kill tonight.
If there is a kill tonight then I am cleared and Mothrax dies tomorrow

If no kill... well, I guess I'd die.. but WIFOM and stuff, the scum may not have submitted a kill... dunno

[tanstalas]

Of the two I think that mothrax is more likely to be scum based on overall play and the plausibility factor of inHimshallibe being a godfather on top of everything else.

I totally agree with the above statement

[tanstalas]

Hello? Hello!?!

I blame the lack of activity on Vi dying, how inconsiderate!

I'd love to be able to move the game forward Ythill, unfortunately I think we are waiting on inHim to decide who to shoot, and then we get to wait (7 days IRL?!) I hope if he shoots the last scum you won't make us wait the 7 days

[tanstalas]

SHOOT MOTHRAX.

+1

[tanstalas]

It would be nice to let my roleblock go through, but inhim is forgetting that uite is cleared by my flip.

However if we let you live through the migration phase and then you die tomorrow and are indeed a RB than I am cleared so then we would be down to a LyLo with inHim, nocase, Troll and myself (confirmed town at this point because if game is still going we KNOW there is only 3 scum)

hmmm

[tanstalas]

*sheeps*

Vote: Uite

That's L-1 folks

[tanstalas]

what

the

fuck

my

thoughts

exactly

[tanstalas]

Unvote

Any new thoughts, Troll?

[tanstalas]

Vote: inHim

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[tanstalas]

So.. Troll or Uite.. hmm

Gut says Uite

[tanstalas]

Sorry guys

damn, if I had just said Troll first >.<

[tanstalas]

EBWOP: I mean said uite first...

[tanstalas]

Thanks for modding Ythill. I really appreciated all the effort you put into the setup and the flavor. I hope I get to play in more of your games in the future.

I forgot this.

Thirded.

N'th

Seriously I had never seen a game modded by you before but you are by far the best mod I have seen thus far flavor-wise

And I hope to never be in another game with Troll-scum when I am town, or conversely a game where I am scum where Vi is town.

[tanstalas]

@Ythill, oh, and Troll would have nth'd the flavor bit in the scummies thread but posts past the 4th get ignored. Troll chose not to clutter that thread as it no would have a meaningful impact but Troll be happy to say that Troll would have posted if it would have made a difference.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Thank you! I get so annoyed when people Nth things into oblivion. I don't know why, but that just really irks me in the Scummies thread.

N'th

Sorry. Couldn't resist.