Sherlock Holmes Mafia (The Game's Afoot!)

[GreyICE]

/confirm

Vote: werewolf555

< will repeat as necessary until desired result is achieved.

[GreyICE]

Okay, so that's 11/12 confirmed. Votes from this post onwards count.

Oh I see.

Vote: werewolf555

Policy lynch go.

[GreyICE]

I can vote for him a third time.

I'm reasonably sad that he isn't lynched yet

[GreyICE]

Okay, so that's 11/12 confirmed. Votes from this post onwards count.

Oh I see.

Vote: werewolf555

Policy lynch go.

Why the policy lynch?

The only thing he will ever post, town or scum, is useless one liners. Every post he makes from here on out will assist us in reading him and finding scum in exactly no way whatsoever. At no point will he do anything remotely useful. Night kills will avoid him like he has the mark of Cain, daytime discussion will general ignore him, and god help us all if he's casting a deciding vote in LyLo.

[GreyICE]

If you die during the night, here is my line of logic:

1) vig
2)bus drivers
3)CPR doc
4) weird mechanic
....
7,486) night kill

[GreyICE]

Anyone here know who the heads of GummyBear are? They still haven't picked up their role PM.

SingerSinger and Quadz

[GreyICE]

Anyone here know who the heads of GummyBear are? They still haven't picked up their role PM.

Have you tried Pm'ing hascow??

Also, @CMAR's miller claim:

Miller claims should never come without a name claim, imo. Makes it to easy for scum.

If we're suggesting a flavor lynch, I'm fucking going apeshit and screaming at people.

[GreyICE]

@GreyICE:

Just saying that if CMAR's name claim doesn't match up to his miller claim, then it would make sense to lynch him.

Well, unless he's some sort of power role that's given away by his name claim. But since this is going to consume day 1, fuck it.

I think we've already caught scum off this nameclaim idea, but perhaps not in quite the way you intended.

[GreyICE]

LOL, lets wait for the name claim before playing the "what cards are up my sleeve" game.

[GreyICE]

Oh my fucking god.

If town would JUST LEARN TO CLAIM PROPERLY scum win percentage would drop about 10%. Fate said that and it's STILL TRUE.

OH MY GOD CLAIM BETTER RIGHT NOW AM SERIOUS.

[GreyICE]

Oh my fucking god.

If town would JUST LEARN TO CLAIM PROPERLY scum win percentage would drop about 10%. Fate said that and it's STILL TRUE.

OH MY GOD CLAIM BETTER RIGHT NOW AM SERIOUS.

1) I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
2) I have a bit more flavor I can out, but anything other than what I already said would give too much of my role away.
3) I'm not quoting any of my PM.

Now explain in a CALM fashion what else you'd like me to tell you. All anyone asked from me was a NAMEclaim, so if you'd like more, learn2specify. Kthx.

So you're scummily softclaiming a power role as soon as we say anything to you about your miller claim?

No shut up stop it. Fullclaim the power role or don't claim shit about the power role and stick to the miller bits.

Bad claim was terribad.

[GreyICE]

Fucking learn to claim properly. This is why I'm generally against full claims, but don't say you're going to name claim then scummily hint at a power role then blame us when we're like "why the fuck are you acting like scum?"

Vote: CMAR

[GreyICE]

Like this:

Claim: Miller
Flavor: I'm XXXXXXXX the XXXXXX who shows up as scum because of YYYYYYYY

Alternative Add:
I'm also a town YYYYYYYY

Not

"Hehe I'm a miller"
"Hehe I am some thief or something."
"And I might kinda have some sorta power role."
"But I won't claim it. But you don't wanna lynch me!"

baaadddddddd.

Admiral: HOW WAS THIS GOOD CLAIMING?

[GreyICE]

Admiral: HOW WAS THIS GOOD CLAIMING?

I absolutely agree that people should be more explicit when claiming but I also completely understand why he didn't want to full claim given that he has another power.

Then PART CLAIM PROPERLY.

None of this "hurr durr look an extra portion to my miller claim, JUST SO you don't lynch me on day one or anything..."

[GreyICE]

Yeah, here's the funny shit gummy. Claiming like scum is something that scum do.

But what the hell, we can always lynch him the day before LyLo, just to discover "hey, LyLo isn't tomorrow at all!". Why town fetishes are for believing PR claims I'll never guess. Most of em come from scum, especially when done in a scummy manner.

Jedo the Jedi is asking for some serious attention.

vote: Jedi

P.S. If I were trying to be fate, I'd have made some snarky comment on where YOU get off on calling people VIs. Oh wait, does this qualify?

PPS what's your solution to the werewolf issue? Pray for a vig?

[GreyICE]

It's this relentless buddying and cheerleading Jedo. And your last post? That was so scum saying "Lets try and confirm you as cop and then make sure you don't cop one of my buddies in a game that's almost certain to contain

Doctor

Watson, if we can't get you lynched."

Screw it, CMAR is town, and I'm going to write an enormous post in Mafia discussion entitled "How to claim like town and not like scum, you incredible failboats."

Jedo, you are so fucking scum it hurts me.

[GreyICE]

Note how I'm perfectly fine lynching policy if we don't find scum.

But Jedo is sooooo scummy.

[GreyICE]

I see many people posting.

I see zero Jedo votes.

What is wrong?

[GreyICE]

Jedo's posts are my fucking case. I've lynched scum before on 4 posts and hit. I know what 4 posts you're talking about and I can't talk about ongoing games, but lets just say that anyone else might be able to check what games we've been in together and see whether they might have acted similarly.

But if you're going to insist:

I'm always wary of Miller claims (as I'm sure most people are), but because this is a new development since my return to mafia, I haven't yet worked out a strategy of response. My gut reaction is to just lynch the person and test it, but I've gathered that isn't generally the best option. I still don't think I want a Miller in Lylo or even just endgame. I'll just stick with wariness for now. IGMEOY cmar

FIRM STANCES DETECTED. Lets see what way the wind is blowing much?

Well, I'm a little more suspicious of the miller claim now, just mostly in the way he only leaked bits at a time. I guess I land somewhere not quite with Grey, but in that general direction.

Anyway, since CMAR has revealed he has another role (I think he mentioned "thief type"), is there not some way we could just verify whatever it is? CMAR, is there a way we could verify your role via night action? I would hate to lynch a helpful town role just because the mod made him a miller also. Plus, we can't trust the scum will just cap him when he clearly has enough suspicion to get himself lynched tomorrow if we don't do it today.

Translation: Well, lets see if other people are down with lynching him since I know he's town. Don't want to take the stance too early. Quick, don't mention how scummy the claim is since then I have to take a stance, I'll just go fishing!

I also want to endorse the good posts by ThAd and Gummy. Excellent input. (It's posts like those that make you sad if/when the player flips mafia.)

It seems there's general agreement CMAR will confirm with another player tonight, but I don't think we can just let him choose...right? I mean, is scum likely to choose a scum buddy and possibly out both of them? Would it be worse if he is scum and chose a scum buddy than if the town randomly chose a scum buddy for him? What if he's town and a scum was chosen? Has anybody ever seen any of these scenarios? My personal thought was the town should all roll dice for player selection and the most rolled person is CMAR's choice. That should work just fine assuming there is a protective role out there (Watson, hello?) who is smart enough to protect the chosen target.

QUICK LETS MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHERE HIS INVESTIGATE IS GOING EVERY NIGHT.

Oh and that first sentence. He's buddying people while STILL LEAVING IN THE POSSIBILITY OF THEIR LYNCH.

He's scum. Scum, scum, scum.

[GreyICE]

*shudder*

It's gonna be one of THESE games, is it?

[GreyICE]

Alive:

Packbat
animorpherv1
Quaroath
ThAdmiral
Wraith

Jedo the Jedi
GummyBear

GreyICE
sorasgoof
Riceballtail
werewolf555
CryMeARiver

Oh hey, BV310 is lazy and bolds who confirmed in the thread.

Huh, betcha one of the last few to confirm was scum. Gummy Bear or Jedo... huh...

ToughChoicesRUs.

Can we please vote for someone whose actually scum instead of just really impossible to read?

[GreyICE]

Heh, Wraith goodposting and I have a townread. I'm scared.

Needz moar postin:

Sorasgoof
GummyBear
Packbat
animorpherv1

My spider senses tell me at least of those is scum. I'm leaning two.

Werewolf might actually be... uh... a Werewolf.

[GreyICE]

List explanation: There's always one scum who likes to lurk when something interesting is happening. Like... always. If there's three scum alive and things are happening, there's always someone with their finger to the wind looking to see which way the weathervane is blowing.

[GreyICE]

...

Dare I ask?

[GreyICE]

Yup, I've studied probability. I'm an engineer. My probability senses tell me that the chances of there being scum in that group is 95% or higher. Okay, this is more or less because I have town reads on a few people, but heh on the concept that all three scum are being active around large kurfluffles.

[GreyICE]

Also a townie who chose a list of 4 random people from the start would have a 68% chance of hitting scum in that list, but meh on arguing percentages.

[GreyICE]

Mechanical! Decided to skip grad school and just get a job

[GreyICE]

VOTE: Jedo
because wagon.

Fuck you

[GreyICE]

Unvote

Vote: Werewolf555

POLICY

[GreyICE]

VOTE: Jedo
because wagon.

Wow. ATM I'm willing to lynch this today, too. To people with werewolf meta: Is this scumminess or stupidity?

UNKNOWN.

I DOUBT HE REMEMBERS HIS ROLE PM

[GreyICE]

It's a wall.

I suppose it has something in it.

Very good.

Lynch Werewolf. Think about it.

Werewolf alive in LyLo = Town loss
Werewolf being Night Killed = 0% odds
Werewolf flipping scum = 3/12 if you're town.

It's lynch him or pray for a Vig. Wanna aim for a vig and Lynch him D2?

[GreyICE]

Oh hey, Gummy bear is scum!

It's that little passive-aggressiveness. No real way to scumhunt when you know the other three, and you're just no good at faking it, so you just yell at people and act mean. You even realized you went to far because you're basically a nice person, but you really don't have any other way to play a scum game?

Oh well. Damn. I really do kinda enjoy your posts.

[GreyICE]

Oh hey, and if it's real it's somehow from town?

Riceballtail
werewolf555

Those are town shots on Day 8. That would just mean town serial killer or some nonsense.

It's not real though, she's just seen other aggressive players do it in other games, and she doesn't know how to fake scumhunting so she just fakes being angry and aggressive. It's all sound and fury, signifying scum.

I'll go meta her if you want, I'm sure SingerSinger does this as scum, that sort of nervous aggression is just like rabbits charging straight at a wolf or one of those harmless snakes that fakes looking poisonous. There's no purpose behind it, it's just to make us think that she's aggressively scumhunting.

And no way Quadz posted that, no male on this planet will refer to another man as a "cunt" instead of a "dick" or "jackass."

[GreyICE]

Blah.

Unvote

Vote: GummyBear

If two people die tonight and one of them isn't Werewolf, we know it's a serial killer, so don't fuck this one up if you exist, vig. SK, if you want a fakeclaim, knock yourself out. Hell, if I'm in kingmaker and you shot werewolf for us, I'll GIVE IT TO YOU.

[GreyICE]

Assume for a second that CMAR is town.

Who would be scummy then in your reads?

[GreyICE]

Do I really need to do a damn case and shit on why SingerSinger is scum?

Seriously guys, this is Sherlock Holmes Mafia, not ADD mafia.

Scum. Vote for it.

[GreyICE]

Do I really need to do a damn case and shit on why SingerSinger is scum?

Only if you want other people to vote with you. Right now I'm rereading people in ISO to see if anything stands out - and I don't see anything definitive from GummyBear to vote them for.

(Apropos of nothing: happy birthday, GreyICE!)

Fine. Here we are. Simple personalities.

SingerSinger. Nice, trusting, a tad naive, honest. Correct?

Honestly tries to puzzle out game, often confused, makes cases, basic townie. She pulls scum.

She's nervous and a tad insecure. She's covering it up with hostility and anger. Look how the nervousness seeps out of every one of her posts. Sarcasm. Hostility. Pointless maneuvers she's seen other townies do, but with no purpose here.

She can't really scumhunt, and has NO idea how to fake it.

PEDIT: Yay! 26!

[GreyICE]

First of all, sorry. We didn't expect the game to start while on a weekend V/LA stint. Catching up now.

Second of all, bad posting is bad. Stop it. GreyICE, you're not Fate, so stop trying to be. It's fucking annoying.

You don't know how to play mafia yet. I get it. Voting him to get him to "claim properly" isn't helping. Start being effective or GTFO.

Preview Edit: CMAR, stop being a cunt about this. Fine, you're town. We're moving on from here. GreyICE has successfully made himself the town VI. Werewolf actually made a legitimate point, and that fucking fear-mongering about lynching a useless player as a PL is just bad. I believe it was GreyICE who decided it was a good idea to go that route. Congratufuckinglations.

This say angry to you? 'cause to me it sounds really really nervous. Denigrate other players, make them less likely to be listened to.

*Eeek* Sorry, CMAR, I was (am) in a bad mood when I posted that. I didn't mean to call you a cunt about it. You made the right move, and I think GreyICE+others are just being douchefags about it.

Honest anger? Honest annoyance? Don't really think so. Repentence feels honest... did she do it because she truly felt that way about CMAR? Or because of other things impacting her? Other things, obviously. Still that undercurrent of nervousness. Still, bad days happen. Real life issues.

Are you always this dimwitted? Stop being so one-minded and a Fate wannabe.
We've decided that werewolf is a useless load, but if he would like to decide to contribute to the game, we could spare his life.

day kill: GreyICE

You're annoying and not as helpful as you'd like to think you are.

Nervous. Nervous, nervous nervous.

What's so scary? What's with the fake little aggression about you 'sparing his life?' It doesn't even feel convincing. You're nervous every time you hit the "submit" button in this thread.

It's because you don't want to fuck up your red role PM.

Should I go bug SingerSinger games to see if we get the same nervous sarcasm in them when she's scum, versus indignation and honest anger when she's town? 'cause we will.

[GreyICE]

Of course I'm sure.



1) http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... lect=13725

2) http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... lect=13725

3) http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... lect=13725

4) http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... lect=13725

5) http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 91&start=0

Three town. Two scum. Tell me which ones she feels nervous and abrasive in, which ones she's on edge, and which ones she's happy or annoyed and genuinely working to help the town.

Match that with the flips.

I hardly read the games through, but I can smell the pattern. She's not comfortable as scum yet.

[GreyICE]

Goddamn it, when did I ever say defensive? She's not defensive, she's NERVOUS. She's not comfortable.

[GreyICE]

Why would I do a meta analysis? You're nervous in this game. Why do I care about your meta?

What is making you so uncomfortable, GummyBear? Why are you trying to replace scumhunting with this fake aggressiveness?

[GreyICE]

Post #200, the misrep is pretty obvious. But nice OMGUS.

[GreyICE]

Awww. That's cute.

1) You misrepped my case. I never said it's based on meta. It's based on Singer acting like she has something to hide. I figured she'd more or less do the same in the other scum games, and she did. Oh, it comes in different flavors, but I can smell it.

2) Why the hell do I have to make a case? Do people's PMs magically change color if I wallpost in thread? If we all agree you're scum, we can lynch you. You're scum. Happy to lynch you.

3) I said I was happy to do meta? I believe I said most meta is bullshit. Singer is just so very predictable.

4) seriously man, nice OMGUS. Do better with your next scum PM, this is sad.

[GreyICE]

God, I feel like MoI, but this is just so laughable.

I did one thing that shot your aggressiveness over the roof. And then you say it's never been based on meta...then what WAS it based on? Twice now you've blatantly refused not needing to make a case on me.

Um... Singer

Post 200 has the honor of being the top post on the page.

I pointed this out to you already. You just jumped past it.

See, townies are indignant or bored or annoyed when people vote for them. This ain't righteous indignation, it's panic.

Flail harder.

2)

Why the hell do I have to make a case?

Do people's PMs magically change color if I wallpost in thread? If we all agree you're scum, we can lynch you. You're scum. Happy to lynch you.

I...don't even...your stupidity...my IQ...gharghg...

The bolded is where you very blatantly contradict yourself in the SAME POST.

Nope. I have shitall reasons to make a case on you... if I didn't need six other people to agree with me to lynch you. With Packrat posting like he was, it became apparent I needed to explain.

Hand me a dayvig, and I'll fix the problem of making a case and all. O WAIT THAT'S YOUR GAMBIT.

3) I said I was happy to do meta?

I'll go meta her if you want

Implies that you're prefectly content with building a case off of meta, considering here:

Do I really need to do a damn case and shit on why SingerSinger is scum?

you practically claim not being able to build a case on me, one head of two mind you.

I believe I said most meta is bullshit. Singer is just so very predictable.

You should really reread your ISO and check yourself before your wreck yourself. This here, is what we call a LIE. And predicable? You really can't say that unless you've played with me before. Why do you feel it is in any way pro-town to make shit up just to make it sound like you're doing something?

* Nothing in here made a lick of sense.

4) seriously man, nice OMGUS. Do better with your next scum PM, this is sad.

Ok, so I know I've pointed this out twice now about how you must not have had a very good IC in your first Newbie game, but here's another lesson for you: it's not OMGUS if there's a case to back it up. In fact, the fact that as soon as I "daykilled" you, you turn around as say "ZOMGZ, YOU MUST BE SCUMZ," without anything to back it up. It wasn't until AFTER that, that you decided to go on this meta-hunting splurge of doom that's crapping up the rest of your scum-hunting (oh wait, scum-hunting's for TOWN).

Learn the definition of buzz words before you use them.

You want to insult me, you do it all you want. You want to insult Vollkan? When he can't even come in here and defend himself? No, seriously. That's just fucking uncalled for.

You are hyper bad at being scum, and you take out your panic on others.

You haven't even read what I wrote. It's so amazingly obvious.

[GreyICE]

I completely agree. Read my posts, then decide if this is some meta attack where I'm all like "oh well you did X & Y in this game and you flipped scum so hah!"

And read the responses, and see if this is town.

Singer, you're a real shit when you're scum, you know that?

[GreyICE]

Seriously, this has nothing to do with the game. What the fuck does insulting Vollkan add here? Insult me all you want. I do not and will not ever care. Insult someone behind their back when they can't even see it? Fucking uncalled for.

Hell, lets examine the logic of that particular rhetorical mess she upchucked into our thread.

1) I had a really bad IC. Why? Because he didn't teach me how to make cases and find scum properly.
2) Your vote is sitting on me. Which means that I'm scum. Which means that... err... I wouldn't be trying to make cases and hunt scum properly?

You're appealing to me as if I'm town, while voting for me as if I'm scum. You can't help it. You're panicking, and you know I'm town. Why? I'm not in the quicktopic with you.

[GreyICE]

It ain't meta, they're scum.

Vote's not moving, because it's currently sitting on scum.

[GreyICE]

It ain't meta, they're scum.

Vote's not moving, because it's currently sitting on scum.

Not feeling it. Hard to take your arguments against them seriously because your being a complete jackass in pushing the cases. Generally makes me think that you are tunneling at someone that pissed you off regardless of anything else that happens. Still don't think ww is obvscum. You've gone from page 1 saying your sad he isn't lynched yet and being a general pita about him, to where we are now. I don't really see what I'd call a level headed approach to the game from you. Feels personal, more than individually game related. If you cn present a case that isn't loaded with vitriol, I might take it more seriously. The way you are ranting isn't obvtown.

Okay, project! Go through and find where I rant, and not GummyBear. Ignore the sections where she insists on insulting someone who ISN'T IN THIS GAME, is a player I respect, and who cannot defend himself in any way - that was a shit thing to do.

Go Quaroath! Find them! Quickly now!

[GreyICE]

It's not a flamewar. She's nervous, every time she posts, she lashes out. She's misrepped my case. She's scum.

I will laugh at you in the post-game if we decide to lynch town today over obvscum.

[GreyICE]

^^

Man speaks truth.

Worst. Wrapup. Ever.

[GreyICE]

Quaroath - you were asked a question.

You did not answer. You are distracting us with this terrible PBPA. It is no good. All you did was summarize her posts. That's not scummy.

Answer my question. Now Quaroath.

[GreyICE]

Are you saying you dismissed my argument without knowing what you were dismissing? And then went to focus on the easy lynch?

Oh Quaroath, at least TRY.

[GreyICE]

Ooh, Quaroath, you didn't tell me how I did that to Gummy. Yet you said that me and gummy were getting hostile to each other.

In fact you had to go back to before the Gummy case to find anything from my side.

Are you so very certain my case on GummyBear is bad before you read it?

[GreyICE]

No apologies to Vollkan? Blacklisted.

That was across a line you shouldn't cross.

[GreyICE]

Now that ScummyBear (yes, I do like that one GB) has chosen not to respond to me, I can't find scumtells in her... wait, that's not true.

We personally do not feel as though Jedo is scum. RBT was one of our stronger scumreads, so we will change our vote once we see fit.

You mean once the wagon on town picks up so you don't have to vote hop to find an appropriate town wagon? ROFL.

Scum, scum, scum, scum.

Oh so very very scum.

And I'm getting a strong stench off our friend Quaroath...

[GreyICE]

If it's down to those two, it's Jedo.

At this point Quaroath's handwaves and "look over here" on RBT means he's a fine candidate. And I have no problems lynching the bear whenever anyone wants to wake up and smell the scum.

I won't be voting for anyone else.

[GreyICE]

It's not false. You're scum. I might as well have a day cop with how badly you've failed at masking it, SS.

Quaroath and Jedo are weaker reads, but no one seems interested in lynching you.

[GreyICE]

But now it's happy fun times.

Singer, there are two wagons forming before us. One is Jedo the Jedi. One is RiceBallTail. Both may be town. Most likely one is scum. On the outside edge of probability (since this is day 1), they are both scum.

Take a nice firm confident stance, since it shows you are town.

Which of the above is it? Do you feel RBT is town? Do you feel Jedo is town? Do you actually think you are watching two different scum wagons form on day 1? If you evolve this read later in the game, will you give reasons?

[GreyICE]

Nice firm stance. Good thing this site doesn't have preview edits to show actual questions rather than your pointless taunting.

You seem to go back and forth on whether you're addressing town with a scum read on town, or scum faking a case. Every time I get a honest vibe though, it's the former. Not so odd.

[GreyICE]

Sure. You know I'm town. You're faking that you think I'm scum, because I'm not in a QT with you.

Every time I get the impression that you're posting off the cuff or honestly, you make your statements as if you are addressing town. It's only when you go into your nervous little hostility game that you start to address me as scum. Even there you make arguments that directly appeal to me as town.

Your scumread is bogus, you know I'm not scum because I'm not in the quicktopic with you. You've done exactly zero to try and determine if the PERSON THAT YOUR VOTE IS ON is scum. You've just sat there and pontificated about how bad of a player I am.

1) Pontificating about how bad of a player I am - designed to make others think my vote is bad, and keep them away from your wagon.
2) Interrogating me and searching for reads - designed to see if I'm scum.

You are doing 1, not 2.

As I said, I might as well be a day cop, you're that obvious.

[GreyICE]

And I replied to exactly how that was full of bullshit and lies.

You said nothing except pontificate about how bad I was.

You post more pontification about how bad I am. When called on it, the same bullshit and lies.

Very good.

Town, this is no longer about RiceBallTail. Acceptable lynches today are me and GummyBear. One of the two of us are scum, and I will self-vote tomorrow if she flips town.

[GreyICE]

Quadz has posted once, Singer. Unless it's some one liner or a note at the bottom of a post I've forgotten.

And it's very, very simple. Nervousness. The same thing I caught SnowJordan on in my last newbie game, the same thing I caught you on here. Oh, it's expressed slightly differently, there it was halfheartedly doing what "everyone else was doing," here it's pontificating and displaying this false bravado, but in both cases, you're just not comfortable posting in the thread. You're watching yourself. You're scared that something will happen, so you're assuming a personality to cloak what you're afraid people will see. It's fake, it sits on you like a stolen suit.

You are assuming a personality and style that is not your own to hide something.

It's not a power role. You don't hide a power role by jumping out and making brave declarations and standing in the middle of the thread being dangerous and prickly (no matter how bad you are at it). So what exactly is it that you're hiding Singer?

I didn't need to meta you to figure that out, I just know that you're not good enough to change how you play. And yep, other games, same nervous behavior - oh, you express it slightly differently, that's why meta fails when you try to go for explicit tells, but you have that same "I just don't want to be posting here" feel.

[GreyICE]

Post 215 is right here, Singer: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p2852459

Look, another response that ignores what I said. As I said, nervous, nervous, nervous. I've responded, and guess where you are? Nervousness, sarcasm, lies, and evasion.

It's no false dilemma. You are scum, GummyBear. You will die. And you have been so goddamn offensive that I will ignore your partner Quaroath trying to save you, and I will tunnel your scum hide until you get lynched, then I will LAUGH when I eat the night kill, and I will LAUGH in the dead thread.

[GreyICE]

I'm not rolefishing, GummyBear. The only claim that will matter to me is Tree Stump, and that's only if you stump yourself immediately. I will ignore any and all other claims, because you are scum. Cop, doctor, magical flying pumpkin that shoots lasers out of its ass, whatever you want to claim. Knock yourself out.

It's hardly a contradiction to say that your little persona here is carefully crafted, and that it's false . Now pay attention, GummyBear. If I'm tunneling you to distract from other scum, then I am scum too. And certainly I'm hardly doing this to protect Wraith, the designated mislynch of the month. On topic. You or me. Not getting out of it. Not running away. I'm tired of you, and I am not putting up with another day of having to stare at your scummy ass in the thread, and I sure as shit am not letting you NK me, so you and Quaroath can bus your partner day 2 or 3 for town cred and walk away with this game.

Make your case. Because you are scum, and you are dead, dead, dead.

[GreyICE]

Personal? You're right.

I've lynched a whole lot of scum, but I'm going to enjoy this one.

I have no contradictions, just you babbling. You think it's a contradiction for me to say that your bravado is false, and that your posts that look full of bravado are carefully crafted and clearly faked. Nope. They're carefully crafted, clearly faked, and meant to look full of bravado that you don't have.

You have more insults to hand to me. Not buying it.

Oh, and again you can't make up your mind on whether I'm town or scum.

If I'm tunneling you to distract from other scum, then I am scum too.

WUT.
NO WAI.

I'm scum!

and I sure as shit am not letting you NK me

lol. You think you're getting NKed now? If the rest of town doesn't come to their senses and lynch you, you've effectively ensured yourself a spot in the final three.

So if scum doesn't get lynched, they make it to LyLo... ?

Insightful. No wait, nonsense. You addressed me AS TOWN. AGAIN.

You keep slipping and addressing me as town while claiming I'm scum and leaving your vote sitting on me.


HRRRRRMMMMM

[GreyICE]

and I sure as shit am not letting you NK me

lol. You think you're getting NKed now? If the rest of town doesn't come to their senses and lynch you, you've effectively ensured yourself a spot in the final three.

So if scum doesn't get lynched, they make it to LyLo... ?

Insightful. No wait, nonsense. You addressed me AS TOWN. AGAIN.

It's actually a genius strategy for someone who's town. Play really poorly and then they make it to ly-...oh wait...that's how you get lynched. I guess I didn't make myself clear and that's my fault. You've effectively ensured why it wouldn't be weird if you didn't get NKed because SCUM CAN'T NK THEMSELVES.

Point out where I address you as town. Please. I encourage you to do it. All you've done is yell and scream and make yourself a fool but you can't actually point to any evidence to back up your claim. If you really are town, PLEASE ACT MORE PROFUCKINGTOWN.

I came in here wailing on you because you've been the most negative, insulting person in this game. I was willing to give you a break and write it off as just another VI, but you've proven yourself unworthy of being called town. Your blatant contradictions, overly-defensiveness, and lack of being able to scum-hunt (hint: just INSISTING someone's scum doesn't make them scum) is insulting to town's ability to win this game. Which can only bring us to the conclusion that you're scum, if not by role PM (doubtful), then by pure sake of your poisonous personality.

I'ma smack you boy.

I'm currently voting on scum. I'm currently making the scum pitch fits in the thread. How could I be much more pro-town? I'm laying this out here for anyone to see.

You can't decide, again, whether I'm scum or "really poor town."

There's a reason for that, for the observers (and not SS, since she knows the reason). The reason is this:

It's acceptable to mislynch really poor town.

She's trapped in a no-win. Her vote is currently sitting on town. She knows this. If she makes a big, screaming case that I'm scum and actually manages to get me lynched, then she's in a bind. Her play can't stand up to gentle pushes, she pitches screaming fits and yells about meta. How is it going to stand up to the entire town examining her?

It's not. She's dead.

Her one and only hope now is that she can get this labeled a mislynch because I'm "really poor town." And then she escapes suspicion.

You'll note how most of her points recently have been about how I'm really shitty town, with WIFOM about how I might be scum faking being "REALLY SHITTY TOWN."

Is she actually voting for someone who she thinks is scum, or is she just preparing for a flip that is becoming her only option for survival, but which she knows the outcome of?

[GreyICE]

ROFL.

Flailure is an option.

[GreyICE]

You call me an idiot in the same PARAGRAPH that you say you want to get rid of my toxicity.

One of the two of us called someone a cunt (and I'm not talking about me, I don't give a shit). Wasn't me, Singer. One of the two of us ripped into someone who wasn't in this thread. Wasn't me. Atmosphere is toxic? You brought it here. You think that insincere little sarcastic apology is going to make it less so? Oh no. If you were sincerely sorry, well, I'd still lynch you. That's getting rid of scum. But I wouldn't DISLIKE you. I wanted to policy lynch a known troll who has never contributed to a game of mafia in his life. If you have a different read of that poster, then you are 100% wrong.

I talk to the town, you immediately make a huge post with huge letters talking to the town. And then call me a VI. While sheeping my tactics.

SloppySinger.

Lemme put it this way. Town, vote for one of the two of us. If you don't think one of the two of us is scum at this point, you haven't been paying attention. Because Singer is 100% scum, and the vote isn't moving. I don't care if we deadline no lynch at this point.

[GreyICE]

Oh no, very much disagree.

She spends more and more time whining (since she doesn't like "pontificating") about how I'm "Newb-town." Much, much more than she does building any case for me to be scum.

And her vote is on me.

She's preparing for a mislynch. But how does she know it's a mislynch?

Behavioral tells, sloppy aggression, AtE, you want a list? But all that pales in comparison to the fact that time and again she addresses me as if she knows I'm town, refers to me as town, even says that I'm "screwing with her scumdar."

Uh huh. Is she town actually arguing with scum? Or scum preparing for a mislynch.

It. Is. Simple.

[GreyICE]

Why am I not voting GummyBear?

Unvote

Vote: GummyBear

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VOTE: GummyBear

Vote: GummyBear

VOTE: GummyBear

Vote: GummyBear

VOTE: GummyBear

[GreyICE]

Not my fault the moderator is broken.

[GreyICE]

@ wraith: are you still happy to be voting greyice considering it was indeed a mod error?

With deadline coming up, he's a good enough lynchee for the day, considering the amount of tunnel vision

he's had on myself

and then GummyBear all day. So yes.

Wait, what?

WRONG GAME

[GreyICE]

I'm tired of you, and I am not putting up with another day of having to stare at your scummy ass in the thread, and I sure as shit am not letting you NK me, so you and Quaroath can bus your partner day 2 or 3 for town cred and walk away with this game.

I like how disagreeing with you about Gummybear makes me scum.. Personally I think your play style is crap, and the tunnel battle you and gummy have had to ungodly amounts of pages is ruining the game.

I want RBT to hang. I could also go for Jedo, though I would greatly prefer a RBT lynch. Anyone else isn't really a good lynch in my eyes.

You think.

That both.

Of the competing wagons on day 1.

Are scum.

No.

New stance, which one is town, or are they both town?

[GreyICE]

48 hours. Plenty of plausible lynches. Including gummy bear. And I rather like my vote.

If you wish to vote one of the two, I recommend Jedo. RBT has been antagonistic and pushed people, generally town. Jedo has scumplained about the votes. Both are lurking like fuck.

[GreyICE]

^^
Just moved his vote off me to bandwagon. Rather than even entertain the idea of lynching me today. Oh and noncommittal on the entire debate between GB and me. We're "both scummy?" What, so you think this is an incredibly complex bussing run?



Weeeeeee!

At this point I'd be willing to bet money that RiceBallTail will flip town if we lynch her.

[GreyICE]

Not really! I'm narrowing it down to a small field at this point.

GummyBear
Sorasgoof
Quaroath
Jedo

One of you is town, which irritates me, but from the looks of how the counterwagon is rolling, I'd say it most likely ain't Jedo. Too many weird declarations of "well, if I'm forced to, I'll vote RBT" and Jedo has really just sat there and scumplained. They're long posts, but all he does is go "waaaaaaahhhh." And that thing about lurkers was just a shot at me. Which seems to be the MO of the scumteam this time around.

Jedo just insulting me to discredit what I say (good ol' well poisoning) seals the deal. Lurking?

Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:09 pm
Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:36 pm
Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:22 pm
Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:56 pm
Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:47 pm

Last time his "case" on Quaroath, his number 1 scum suspect as he said when he voted RBT moved forward:
Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:31 pm

Last time he mentioned Quaroath:
» Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:59 pm

RBT investigation reveals...next to nothing. Bunch of one-liners, tangential involvement with current discussion at best, and some strange logic at times.

This is the type of thing I can go after.

I'll unvote, vote Riceballtail,

with the stipulation that Quaroath gets my vote if others see what I see.

No more attempts to move Quaroath wagon forward, switch to Quaroath, questions for Quaroath, or comments on Quaroath's latest posts.

Either he's forgotten the game exists, or he's forgotten about his "scumread."

Jedo: Feel like you've done a solid bit to help the town out and move forward a case on your suspect if you are "mislynched" today?

[GreyICE]

Though I should look at the Jedo wagon more closely. He's so very bad at this that someone has to be bussing him for the credit.

[GreyICE]

Have you missed the fact I was talking about Jedo? I ain't even interested in lynching you today. Jedo is fairly obvscum. You could just be town voting the wrong wagon at this point. Plenty of that happens.

[GreyICE]

Acceptable lynches today are me and GummyBear. One of the two of us are scum, and I will self-vote tomorrow if she flips town.

48 hours. Plenty of plausible lynches.

Do we HAVE to leave him alive? Like, seriously. Contradictions EVERYWHERE.

If we must choose between RBT and Jedo, we choose RBT, as stated earlier. Her post right above is more of the same empty words she's been using all game. We'll hammer Jedo to avoid a no-lynch though.

Mod: Votecount, plz

-quadz

Ah scum, how very predictable. My actual quote, of course:

48 hours. Plenty of plausible lynches.

Including gummy bear. And I rather like my vote.

I didn't actually believe I'd be saying this, but you're WORSE at this than Singer.

Less obnoxious though.

[GreyICE]

I could really learn to like RBT

[GreyICE]

Fuck.

Unvote

Vote: Jedo

Not seeing a Gummi lynch happening at this point, and if you wanna lynch me tomorrow over changing my mind, whatever. She's still obvscum.

[GreyICE]

Deadline is set for Friday the 11th at 11:59pm, or whenever the nearest time for me online is.

Though god knows in what time zone. EST? GMT? Whatever.

We haven't had a fucking vote count since Wednesday.

BV310, stop active lurking in your own game.

[GreyICE]

Which is why you have to edit my posts to find flaws in them? Singer, you are eating rope.

And yes, that was what we call hammer. And if you're wondering, no way in fuck was I hammering RBT, I said as much earlier, and I'd happily have let it ridden to NL.

[GreyICE]

Lynching town benefits you, which is why you were so much more eager to lynch RBT

[GreyICE]

But nice hypocrisy criticizing me for deadline lynching the scummiest person and criticizing me for not being willing to deadline lynch someone.

Scumbag.

[GreyICE]

Way to back up your conviction with a solid hammer.

[GreyICE]

Which you nicely avoided. And avoided voting for BOTH wagons!

BUT

you were sure to mention how anti-town we were for not being willing to hammer RBT!

[GreyICE]

Oh gimme a break, not you too

I just wanna lynch goddamn ScummyBear in peace, but nooooooooooooo.

A day vig, a day vig, my kingdom for a day vig.

[GreyICE]

Alright! Lessee what yesterday gave us!

Start of the Jedo Wagon

Jedo the Jedi (L-3): Quaroath*, ThAdmiral, Wraith, Werewolf555
Wraith (L-5): Riceballtail, GummyBear
GreyICE (L-6): Sorasgoof
Werewolf555 (L-6): GreyICE, CryMeARiver
Quaroath (L-6): Jedo the Jedi
CryMeARiver (L-6): Animorpherv1

*I am missing from the vote counts because I actually unvoted in response to Werewolf being a pain in the arse. Quaroath was #2.

Jedo the Jedi

(L-4):

ThAdmiral

, Werewolf555, Riceballtail
Riceballtail (L-4): Packbat,

Jedo the Jedi

, Quaroath,
GreyICE (L-4): Sorasgoof, GummyBear, Wraith
GummyBear (L-6): GreyICE
Werewolf555 (L-6): CryMeARiver
CryMeARiver (L-6): Animorpherv1

I'm going to guess everyone on the Jedo wagon right there was town. Yah, even maybe werewolf, although it pains me to write that (less now that he's replaced out).

Lets do some backup mod vote counts because there's a 2 day gap in this:

Wraith:

Votes Jedo

Sorasgoof:

Votes Riceballtail

CMAR:

Votes Jedo

Packbat:

Moves from RBT to Jedo

GreyICE:

Hammers Jedo

Oh and in there Quaroath unvotes.

Jedo the Jedi (L-0): ThAdmiral, Werewolf555, Riceballtail, Wraith,

CryMeARiver, Packbat, GreyICE

Riceballtail (L-5): Jedo the Jedi, Sorasgoof
GreyICE (L-6): GummyBear
CryMeARiver (L-6): Animorpherv1

Not Voting: Quaroath

Bold is around where I'd expect the bussing to start.

Soras isn't the lynch for today, although he's 100% scum if there's two kills tomorrow night (I assure you of this) so I'm going to leave that one be.

DO NOT FORGET THIS

Did Jedo really go to lynch with no scum on his wagon? Well, ThAd is town, Wolf is wolf, RBT is town, Wraith is town, CMAR is likely-town from what Jedo did, and packbat is... suspicious. Worth our time to look at.

Of the other votes, Jedo is dead, Soras is not the lynch today, so we're left with ScummyBear, Animorpherv1, and Quaroath.

[GreyICE]

Ugh, jedo is meant to be red up there, good use of the color tags.

[GreyICE]

3. I endorse Jedo's suggestion:

Well, I'm a little more suspicious of the miller claim now, just mostly in the way he only leaked bits at a time. I guess I land somewhere not quite with Grey, but in that general direction.

Anyway, since CMAR has revealed he has another role (I think he mentioned "thief type"), is there not some way we could just verify whatever it is? CMAR, is there a way we could verify your role via night action? I would hate to lynch a helpful town role just because the mod made him a miller also. Plus, we can't trust the scum will just cap him when he clearly has enough suspicion to get himself lynched tomorrow if we don't do it today.

CMAR: investigate someone tonight and report your results. We can evaluate you in the morning.

Packbat: Jedo's suggestion was obviously from scum, that's how I fingered him in the first place. You ready to keep rolling with that CMAR shit? 'cause he's town who sucks all sorts of moose at claiming, not scum.

ScummyBear, well, look at this with the knowledge Jedo is scum and RBT is town:

First of all, I want to apologize for any confusion over my lashing out at GreyICE. It's clear he's an emotional player, and has a hard time separating his emotions from logic. My mention of his Newbie game was based on core game-related knowledge that I felt he was lacking.

Second of all, as of late, I still can't understand how GreyICE cannot own up to his blatant contradictions. By first reaction in rereading our interaction was to say that it was town v town...but I can't help but feel like he's neglecting to acknowledge very specific points against him, which is certainly not pro-town.

A couple thoughts:
-werewolf hasn't posted in over three days...
-we are both disappointed with Wraith's activity and contributions, since we expected more from him
-TheAd, while not posting a lot or posting huge walls, has contributed in a pro-town manner
-Packbat's been really looking at this game rationally, and we appreciate his ability to step back and look at the game as a whole instead of tunneling on any one player or action
-Quaroath's PBPA doesn't have as much of the ANALYSIS as we would've liked, but we can see there's definitely effort

We personally do not feel as though Jedo is scum. RBT was one of our stronger scumreads, so we will change our vote once we see fit.

I will not personally be responding to GreyICE anymore as I feel he is rude and abrasive and doesn't know how to be a team player. I only hope he can learn from his mistakes.

Interactions with Jedo... big scummy zero.

Vote:ScummyBear

Lets continue this discussion.

[GreyICE]

Packbat is an interesting case too:

I have to agree that the argument against Jedo the Jedi seems reasonable - one more point I note is that #89 (ISO #2) is just him bandwagoning on GreyICE's "CLAIM PROPERLY" rant.

VOTE: Jedo the Jedi (L-2)

Sorry for the AFK - I neglected to go online last night to

play Far Cry 2

study instead. Catching up now:

UNVOTE: Jedo the Jedi

His reaction to the wagon seems pretty towny to me. I don't read the Quaroath vote as suspicious, but I have no reason to go along with it - the guy just hasn't posted enough.

Okay, I think that my best shot right now is

VOTE: Riceballtail

RBT has basically no justification for anything they* have done so far - except for their recent comment on the GreyICE/GummyBear flamewar, they've not acknowledged any ongoing events in anything like a timely fashion, and their current vote is based on linking the target to

someone else

who, for unelaborated reasons, they are certain is scum. I call BS.

* I apologize if singular-they is an inappropriate pronoun - there's no gender listed.

Okay, I haven't seen a lot new going on, but rereading Riceballtail and Jedo the Jedi, I think I may have been backing the wrong horse. Whem you go back to Jedo's original case on Quaroath, you can see it was weak - and, rereading the post in question, even misrepresenting what Quaroath said. Given this, it shouldn't be surprising that town!Jedo would drop the case on Qua - except, instead of saying, "Watching the way the game has been going, I think RBT is a much better lynch", he says, "I find RBT to be at least as suspicious and have more support". He's keeping the Qua lynch open for very little reason I can see, and rather than elaborating on RBT's behavior to explain why he considers it scummy, he spends most of his posting explaining why his behavior isn't scummy.

Which is scummy.

UNVOTE: Riceballtail
VOTE: Jedo the Jedi

(L-1)

Ignoring his posts, which are very, very town, that looks exactly like "distance, ooh, don't let this go too far, support secondary wagon, wait, scumwagon going to lynch, bus."

His tone is distinctly town all the way, and he's given good solid reasons for all of his actions. But this is striking an ugly nerve.

[GreyICE]

VOTE: Wraith

Be back later with a case.

Cheers.

facepalm.png

[GreyICE]

I've looked and looked back over ThAd's ISO, and I just don't understand. There were no breadcrumbs. What the hell made them take that shot?

He wasn't high on anyone's scumdar except RBT, maybe they figured he would be a nice middle ground shot? I dunno. It really feels more like a vig/SK shot than anything. WTF? Anyone have any ideas?

[GreyICE]

GreyICE, I like the content, but statements like the "if there are two kills tonight, sorasgoof is scum" are not useful whatsoever. I have no control over night kills, and so what if there are two night kills? What if one is mafia and one is a vig? I'm not a vig or anything else that can kill at night, but if I were and killed someone tonight, you'd assume I'm scum? Regardless, you have now given yourself the power to lay a case on me tomorrow if there are two night kills, regardless of what I do today (or subsequent days, given that I'm alive and there were two night kills the night before).

And I must have missed that CMAR was an investigative role. Where did he say that explicitly?

If.
There.
Are.
Two.
Nightkills.
Tomorrow.
We.
Lynch.
Sorasgoof.

If a vig claims the ThAd kill, you die. If there's a serial killer, you die. Got it? Yes, I'm softclaiming. I really don't like ThAd as a scum shot. I really don't like this post either. You simply die if there's two night kills tonight. No defense, you get lynched. More than a little worried that your response to that wasn't "yay, I'm cleared of having submitted the ThAd kill!"

48 hours. Plenty of plausible lynches. Including gummy bear. And I rather like my vote.

If you wish to vote one of the two, I recommend Jedo. RBT has been antagonistic and pushed people, generally town. Jedo has scumplained about the votes. Both are lurking like fuck.

Crap, as much as I do want to lynch RBT for general unpleasantness, I must say that this is a logical conclusion. If I have to choose a lynch today, it'll be

Vote: Jedo

@Mod: Can werewolf actually replace in a BaM game?

This is scum bussing their partner? Pull the other one Bear, it's got bells on it.

Can we just lynch this and get on with our lives?

[GreyICE]

@animorpherv1: What does that first sentence mean?

Well we'd get a 100% guaranteed scumlynch out of it. If at ANY point in the game the vig claims, we get a 100% guaranteed scumlynch out of it. In fact the vig doesn't even have to claim - they can just put a bullet in Soras tonight. That's a fine claim right there. And as I said, I just don't feel ThAd as a scumshot.

[GreyICE]

I'm saying ThAd never really took a clear stance on anything. He ended the day with one player putting him as her top scum suspect after Jedo, not a pile of content in the thread, and not a pile of evidence that he was hugely pro-town or anything. I combed his ISO, and if there was a breadcrumb, it was WAY too subtle for me. He had no major scum suspects beyond Jedo, in short he was comfortably under the radar.

But hell, if you wanna tell me your reasoning on why you NKed ThAd, I'm all ears.

[GreyICE]

Knock yourself out.

I claimed it because it's of value to the town if I'm dead to know what night action I took, and I still don't like ThAd kill at all.

It's not of value for me to claim what that action was, I'll claim it at the right and proper time if I'm still alive.

Fish harder.

[GreyICE]

I'm saying

ThAd never really took a clear stance on anything.

He ended the day with one player putting him as her top scum suspect after Jedo,

not a pile of content in the thread

, and not a pile of evidence that he was hugely pro-town or anything. I combed his ISO, and if there was a breadcrumb, it was WAY too subtle for me. He had no major scum suspects beyond Jedo, in short

he was comfortably under the radar.

Clearly you didn't read our case on Wraith...

Knowing now that he was the doc, do you think that made a difference in his activity level?

Of course. What, do you think I'm saying he was some sort of reverse death miller?

I'm saying it didn't seem too far off his play in other games, and it was not the sort of play that typically makes the scum team kill you night 1, unless they like a hell of a lot of WIFOM with their shots.

[GreyICE]

Knock yourself out.

I claimed it because it's of value to the town if I'm dead to know what night action I took, and I still don't like ThAd kill at all.

It's not of value for me to claim what that action was, I'll claim it at the right and proper time if I'm still alive.

Fish harder.

If you're going to claim, do it right. I think I heard that somewhere once. VOTE: GreyICE

You have to be lying about whatever night action you took if it has anything to do with me. I have absolutely nothing to hide, and will claim if people want me to. It's hilarious when people try to pull things like this on you when you know fully well they have to be wrong.

Also, do you think you're tough or cool or something with statements like that last one? I hate it when people play like that.

Well this was quite the response.

I'm Inspector Lestrad, the Jailkeeper. You spent the night in Jail. If at any point there's a second kill, my JK did indeed stop a night kill. I doubt it was submitted on you. That's what we call useful information for a town.

And between this reaction and that fact, if there's ever a second night kill, you die.

[GreyICE]

And... that's what I was thinking when I submitted the jailkeep.

Unvote

Vote: Sorasgoof

ANYONE ELSE THINK HIS REACTION IS A TAD DISPROPORTIONATE?

LOL @ OBVIOUS FAKECLAIM

[GreyICE]

Actually, now that I think about it, 4 power roles (cop because I'm a miller [unless bastard modding], watcher, JK, doc) would mean either big and powerful mafia or a 2nd NK. But still, there was no reason for you to out your roles.

Yes there was. His reaction.

And now he's speculating about Even Night Vigilantes/Serial Killers or how the scum killed one of the hardest lurkers in day 1 who had such good reads that he thought me and RBT were scum and Jedo was town? And the reason he acts this way is "in case" there was a kill tomorrow. So what, this is some sort of super-sekret plan for GreyICE the even-night serial killer to draw the NK (thus negating his win condition) and frame the innocent VT Sorasgoof to draw a lot of attention to himself?

Or the scum team is gambiting and sacrificing a second member to take down the dangerous and deadly Sorasgood by suggesting that if there is a second kill tomorrow night that he's scum?

NOPE.JPG

SCUMFLAIL

LYNCH IT WITH FIRE

[GreyICE]

LYNCH IT WITH FIRE

Yes. Those are absolutely the only possible cases...
Oh. Wait. Maybe you're both town and scum is sitting back and watching the fight.

P.S. Nice dropping your case on GB[/quote]
Oh scummy will get her rope.

But what possible reason could someone without a night kill have for thinking there might possibly be two night kills?

That was raw utter panic. Especially given his hardcore buddying in the first post.

Yep. Caught is caught.

[GreyICE]

I'm retarded now? Bitch, please.

[GreyICE]

Fuck it.

You are sitting here crying "Lynch me lynch me?"

Sounds good to me.

Vote: SingerSigner

Dumb cunt.

[GreyICE]

I don't even care anymore. I have never seen town react the way Soras did, especially not to being cleared of submitting the NK on ThAd.

But I have no town motivation for what GummyBear just posted. None. I was willing to bury the hatchet.

She seems to have no motive but to discredit everything I write in the thread with personal attacks on me. I cannot figure out a single fucking town motive for this. I can figure out a scum one.

I. Want. Her. Dead.

She wants a tunnel. Fine. She gets a tunnel. No light, no air vents, no reverse, nothing but a nice long train car heading her way.

WHAT. IS. THE. TOWN. MOTIVE. FOR. HER. POST.

IT DOES NOT FUCKING EXIST.

[GreyICE]

Him or Quaroath. I find that the scumteam tends to not submit kills from super noticeable people unless they strongly suspect a watcher, so I figured Scummy would be less likely to submit than Soras/Quaroath. Rereading the thread in light of Jedo's flip, I just didn't find Quaroath anywhere near as bad as Soras in terms of in-thread actions.

But at this point ScummyBear wants to be lynched today, and I am just so so happy to oblige

[GreyICE]

You mean ScummyBear's coherent and believable case on why RBT was a better lynch then Jedo?

Have you considered that mine are RIGHT?

[GreyICE]

Second of all, bad posting is bad. Stop it. GreyICE, you're not Fate, so stop trying to be. It's fucking annoying.

Are you always this dimwitted?

Hi I'm scum and I don't know how to defend myself when I get caught redhanded.

I'm so glad the rest of town isn't this dumb. I hate you for fucking with my VI/scum-dar.
-Singer

GreyICE has been using his word-of-the-day calendar.
-quadz

By GAWD you are bad at this game...

But what possible reason could someone without a night kill have for thinking there might possibly be two night kills.

Oh. My. God. You. Suck. At. This.
You were the FIRST person to bring up the possibility of there being two night kills. Soras questioned it because it was directly pertaining to the fact that you're retarded.

I'm almost ready to cry a river at how close you were to pegging the killer.

Now why don't you all be good little boys and look over our case on Wraith and vote scum with us, k?

YOU'RE BEING THE ADULT HERE?

I BURIED THE FUCKING HATCHET. FOR THE SAKE OF BV, FOR THE SAKE OF THIS GAME.

WHO DUG IT THE FUCK BACK UP AND THREW IT AT ME?

YOU WANT ME EMOTIONAL? YOU'RE TIRED OF THE LOGICAL POSTS I HAD AT THE START OF THE DAY? SCARED THEY MIGHT OUT YOUR TEAM? RAISE MY CREDIBILITY AFTER I GOT JEDO ON PAGE FUCKING FOUR?

FINE. YOU GOT ME EMOTIONAL. YOU GOT ME FUCKING MAD. AND I WILL FUCKING WALK YOU TO THE NOOSE AND HANG YOU WITH IT.

[GreyICE]

YOU WANT REASONS?

How about "OH I DON'T THINK JEDO IS SCUM, VOTE RBT?"

We personally do not feel as though Jedo is scum. RBT was one of our stronger scumreads, so we will change our vote once we see fit.

Lots of REASONS that RBT is scum and Jedo is town right there, huh?

How about where you talk about my toxicity in the same paragraph you call me an idiot?

Are you maybe trying to pretend like you're under an irrational assault because you don't have any response? You're nervous, you've been flailing since early day 1.

How about when you lie about what I posted right here?

Was that lie pro-town?

HOW ABOUT THIS LIE?

You spent half the day yesterday with your ignorant energy focused on getting "Gummybear" lynched, and you decide do jailkeep

SORASGOOF

.

Whom you never expressed ANY suspicion of, never voted, never pushed the lynch of...

^^
Just moved his vote off me to bandwagon. Rather than even entertain the idea of lynching me today. Oh and noncommittal on the entire debate between GB and me. We're "both scummy?" What, so you think this is an incredibly complex bussing run?



Weeeeeee!

At this point I'd be willing to bet money that RiceBallTail will flip town if we lynch her.

1. Lynching you will not happen by the deadline, probably.
2. Pretty obvious I think you're more scummy than Gummy, based on my words
3. Never said you're "both scummy"
4. Way to put words in my mouth

If there's enough support, hell yes I'd "entertain the thought of lynching you today." My vote was doing no good where it was, and RBT was my second highest scum suspect.

I'll let it slide how you completely disregarded my reasoning for voting for now, because it's obvious you're reaching for people to throw suspicion on.

Not really! I'm narrowing it down to a small field at this point.

GummyBear
Sorasgoof
Quaroath
Jedo

One of you is town, which irritates me, but from the looks of how the counterwagon is rolling, I'd say it most likely ain't Jedo.

OH I'M SORRY.


WHAT WAS THE PRO TOWN REASON FOR COMING OUT AND CALLING ME RETARDED WHILE LYING, SCUMMY BEAR?

WHAT.

WAS.

IT.

I do really, really, really want to know.

And you so really, really, really deserve to hang.

You've dug your grave.

[GreyICE]

Back to reality Singer.

Both you and Soras seem to agree with my theory that there 'should be' two night kills.

Now why is that, I wonder? Soras seemed adamant that there could be "all sorts of things" that caused a second night kill. Most town would be happy that they were cleared of submitting the kill on ThAd. He panicked. Completely and utterly panicked.

That doesn't seem very town.

You intentionally edited my post to misrepresent me. That's not good. You lied when you said I was never suspicious of Soras. That's not good. Why did you do these things?

You seem to think there are no rational reasons to lynch you. But I just listed plenty of them. There are many rational reasons to lynch you. Stop pretending like there aren't, and own up to them. Why did you misrepresent me yesterday? Why did you lie to derail my focus on Soras? He was flailing like hell all over the thread. Why attack me for this?

Did I just get your last scumbuddy? Think I very well did.

[GreyICE]

How can I say this nicely? Oh-

get this through your thick skull

. I never said there "should be" two night kills. I said that IF THERE WERE TWO NIGHT KILLS, you jailkeeping me has NOTHING to do with the fact that there wasn't one last night. No, it doesn't clear me. First of all, YOU aren't clear, so YOU can't clear anyone. Second of all, I DIDN'T PANIC. Get over yourself. I'm not nervous whatsoever that you're attacking me because the basis of the attack is asinine.

My job is town isn't to clear myself and be jubilant over being "clear." It's to find scum.

I was questioning your line of thought, which is clearly wrong, and you failed trying to explain yourself.

You, sir, are misinterpreting/misrepresenting the facts, and I know you're trying to make it look like I'm panicking. You couldn't be farther from the truth, quite honestly.

Of course I can. I jailkept you, you didn't submit a successful night kill on ThAd. Period. Unless you'd like to claim "Unstoppable" in the thread, that'd save me some time and boring arguing.

You'll note all I said - lynch Soras if there's a second night kill tomorrow night. This town is shaping up to have quite a few power roles, and I do NOT think SK is out of the question. At all. I'm staring at two roles that can stop a kill. I breadcrumb my actions in case I die and move on.

You hyperventilate and flip out. Why? You're afraid of being mislynched as a VT if somehow there's an even night vig and he doesn't speak up while you're being run up and goes "oh hey, yeah, I took the shot?"

Bullshit. You're scum. So's the bear. That RBT waffling yesterday was SO BAD now that he's flipped. Having clear proof that Jedo was a goon is what got you stuck in prison yesterday.

And yes, I know that Scummy was the obvious candidate. I know how to play tracker WIFOM on kill submissions too, Soras

[GreyICE]

You intentionally edited my post to misrepresent me. That's not good. You lied when you said I was never suspicious of Soras. That's not good. Why did you do these things?

1. Editing your post to post out the most notable part of it is not misrepresenting you. Quadz didn't edit your post as a misrepresentation. He could've made the same point with the entire context of it. The fact of the matter is, no one can deny that you said we were the only two plausible lynches, only to turn around and say that there were plenty left. Which is exactly my point about you not being able to either make up your mind or changing your story.
2. You dropped Soras's name seemingly out of no where. AFTER you've effectively placed suspicion on nearly everyone in the game. If you are indeed telling the truth, and there are in fact supposed to be two kills, THEN maaaybe we can look at Soras. But since Wraith has been in here AFTER quadz and I presented our case on him (completely ignoring it, by the way), and did not claim vig, it only strengthens our case on him.

Now why are you refusing to listen to logic and look at Wraith. Your tunneling is one of the most anti-town things I've ever encountered. If you truly cared about this town, you would generate more discussion on more than just yourself. If we have to spell it out for you more than we already have, we will, but you're certainly not making this easy for us. *waits for ridicule about how it's not your job to make things easy for scum *

-Singer

1) I'm not the only one who thinks this was bullshit.You're parroting the exact same things Jedo said right before he flipped.

2) I already dropped it on day 1. x2 on the lying about this, Scummy. Did I or did I not say I was suspicious over Soras RBT vote on day 1?

3)I already discussed the wraith case. Bullshit on someone you think is easy mislynch fodder, bad case and he's obvtown from interactions with Jedo/RBT wagons.

[GreyICE]

'cause I've mislynched him before?

You were the easiest mislynch ever bro

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... start=1300

Hell, he's definitely improved. For all that we were jerks, lets face it Wraith, the waffle post wasn't great, but then shutting up and voting for someone because a poster told you it would "make you more town" if you voted was bad.

And the game was a disaster and never occurred, etc. etc.

Wraith is an easy mislynch, but he's obvtown. If you've never been there Singer, well... lawlz.

PEDIT: GUMMY BEAR. DO YOU DENY I SAID SORAS WAS SCUMMY ON DAY 1? YES OR NO? DAY 1. NO MISREPRESENTATION, DID I SAY HE WAS SCUMMY ON DAY 1?!?

[GreyICE]

You are so full of yourself it really isn't even funny anymore. I almost want to be lynched just so you can see how wrong your "scumreads" are. Repetition for emphasis: YOU. ARE. WRONG. GET. OVER. YOURSELF. I did not flip out, I merely pointed out the flaws in your assertion, and you flipped shit. You said I am 100% scum if there are two night kills tonight, which is completely and utterly wrong. Of

course

I'm going to say something.

I said you should be lynched. That's slightly different. It's the same thing with trackers. If a tracker targets someone who targets the Night Kill, lynch em. Sure, maybe they flip "town roleblocker" or something, but you don't take that chance. If kills suddenly multiply, and I'm eating dirt, how is it pro-town NOT to leave some sort of clue what I did?

Your reaction was a complete mess. As for 'proving to me how wrong I am' is this a newbie game and no one told me? Dear lord. Of course I've been on quite a few town bandwagons. My scumreads are good, you should damn well know this. Ain't nobody perfect.

I really, really hate this. The "prove how wrong you are" usually comes from total newbies in a newbie game. Once you've mislynched a few dozen townies and lynched a few dozen scum, you realize that sometimes you're wrong and sometimes you're right, and that you don't prove anything by scumplaining to your mislynch except that you suck at being town.

I really don't think you suck that badly at being town.

Regardless, as I said, my vote is in the right place today.

[GreyICE]

Wraith isn't an easy mislynch. He's scum. You can't mislynch scum.

I don't deny that you put everyone that did something YOU disagreed with on your list of scum, which was quite long before you narrowed it down to thinking you nailed all three scum by the end of DAY ONE. I can confirm you were wrong about

at least two

of those on your list.

Since you're one of them, Jedo is dead scum, are you saying Soras in-thread arguments clear him, or Quaroath?

'cause that's fucking nonsense.

Or is this the 'wraith has to be scum, because I was so right about RBT/Jedo issue that I CANNOT BE WRONG TODAY' again?

[GreyICE]

Vote: Scummy the Magical Insult Bear

Nice job dropping the put downs.

Fine, I'm done flying into a rage. You've decided you want to trigger that today. I'm well past that stage. This is the deadly calm, the endless ice. This is your death.

[GreyICE]

I don't view forcing a hammer on a scumbuddy on day 1 a scum tell.

But if you are claiming cop, then I'll lynch Wraith. Claim is very testable, and no scum in their right mind would bus their partner when one is dead.

Cop+Doctor+Watcher+Jailkeep+No scum roleblocker (CMAR wasn't blocked) = a lot of town power for one night kill.

But I wonder why you wouldn't guess that my 2-kill claim was very viable with THAT much town power.

Town ain't just loaded, it loaded for bear.

[GreyICE]

Unvote

Vote:Wraith

CMAR watches GummyBear. No games, no evasion. Submit the watch.

I will flip a coin. If flip is heads, I will submit:

Jailkeep:CMAR

to BV310

If it's tails, I will submit

"Jailkeep: ___________"

where that blank is whoever I damn well choose.

There's no gaiming the coin.

Whichever way the coin comes up, the PM shall go in and shall not be changed.

If they shoot the claimed tracker, 50% they get watched
If they shoot the watcher, 50% no night kill, and the tracker lives, and the watcher lives, and the jailkeeper lives, and we get to play this game tomorrow.
If they shoot me, we get two more investigations or they shoot into a known watcher.

Vote:Wraith

Could be scum tracker. But claim. Is ludicrous. Wraith should claim role and target before we lynch him. Not so that we don't lynch him (because we will be). But because if he claims something that wasn't targeting the NK and a town role, and he flips town, we know Gummy is scum.

If he claims to target the night kill, and he flips claimed role, could just be miserable luck.

Don't hammer until we have the fullclaim from him. He dies, this is certain, but he has information for the town before he goes.

Or he can save us time and selfvote. People targeting the NK die.

[GreyICE]

Also with this much town power. There are issues.

Tracker
Watcher
Doctor
Jailkeeper

P.S. I swear unto god if Wraith flips Vig of any flavor or Serial Killer, burn the hell out of Soras. He is rubbing me all sorts of wrong.

[GreyICE]

Meh, my corpse.

Will be on the floor tomorrow, which will confirm me well enough.

CMAR will stick to the plan no matter what, as will I, so scum would be ridiculous to WIFOM it. If we're down two scum though, the investigative roles are worth a LOT more than my protective one.

[GreyICE]

I mean even if they had a roleblocker, Natural Action Resolution says roleblocks go off at the same time, and that means that my ability goes off at the same time as any other Roleblock. I'm immune. They're just going to waste me.

[GreyICE]

I believe she's referring to Name Claim here. Lestrad is quite the role to leave out of the Sherlock Holmes Mafia.

[GreyICE]

Wraith needs
to claim
before lynch

No quickhammers. Those are from scum. Or he can hammer himself.

[GreyICE]

...

YOU CAN'T TAKE THE THIRTY SECONDS IT IS TO TELL US WHAT YOU DID LAST NIGHT?

SCREW IT. IT TAKES FIVE SECONDS TO POST "I'M THE TOWN VIG THAD LOOKED SCUMMY"

IT TAKES LIKE FIVE YEARS TO COME UP WITH A GOOD FAKECLAIM IN THIS SITUATION? WHY EVEN BOTHER?

HAMMAH OF GAWD NOW

[GreyICE]

I'm just gonna quote the Wiki:

The Hider has the ability to target one player each night. If that player is pro-town, the hider is protected from Night-Kills that night.

If the player targeted is killed that same night, the Hider dies too.

If the player targeted is Mafia, the hider usually dies.

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Hider

NOPE.JPG

[GreyICE]

Come on.

It's already a cop ability.

So he's bulletproof OR weak cop? BULLSHIT.

[GreyICE]

Oh who are we kidding. He targeted the night kill.

He dies.

If he flips extra super duper odd hider, we yell at BV and move on. Well, the rest of you do

CMAR - stick. to. plan.

[GreyICE]

^^

WORST

SCUMTEAM

EVAH

[GreyICE]

I MEAN HAVE YOU EVEN PUT DOWN A VOTE THIS GAME?

ARE YOU EVEN IN THIS GAME?


ARE YOU LIKE POST RESTRICTED VOTELESS LURKER?

[GreyICE]

OH COME ON CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING USEFUL

HE WAS TRACKED

TO THE NIGHT KILL

WHAT'S THE DISCUSSION? HE HAS A SUPAH SEKRET HIDAH ROLE?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[GreyICE]

AWESOME.

GOTS MY QUARTER OUT

[GreyICE]

Packbat
animorpherv1<
Quaroath

ThAdmiral

Wraith

Jedo the Jedi

GummyBear

GreyICE

sorasgoof <

Riceballtail

werewolf555/Smarg

CryMeARiver

Animorpherv just claimed to have an awesome fake claim tomorrow. Prolly Sherlock Holmes, too many investigative roles as is. Just lynch him, it'll be funny.

Soras reaction to the RBT train was priceless, as was his reaction to my claim today. More or less spilled soda all over his lap.

CMAR can be confirmed by Gummy tomorrow night, she targets him. If he watches her, she'll see it. If she dies and he has 'no results' or 'town results' he gets lynched.

[GreyICE]

CMAR wasn't roleblocked.

So either there's no roleblock or he's fakeclaiming scum.

[GreyICE]

Meh, CMAR claimed EXACTLY like scum

Sadly Jedo jumped on that grenade which threw me badly off course on you, overall not a bad move on his part. Wraith bus was reasonably good, I thought.

GummyBear annoys me no end. I think this is the last game we play together.

[GreyICE]

Meh, CMAR claimed EXACTLY like scum

Sadly Jedo jumped on that grenade which threw me badly off course on you, overall not a bad move on his part. Wraith bus was reasonably good, I thought.

GummyBear annoys me no end. I think this is the last game we play together.

-_-
I claimed exactly how I'd claim as town.

What with the 'teehee I have unconfirmed cool abilities, so definitely don't lynch me?

[GreyICE]

Meh, we had too many investigative roles as it was. Watcher, Tracker, Super-Cop, then Doctor and Jailkeeper.

Some of the PRs had to be lying. Obviously one was me, but scum never quite expect the town to be one of the lying PRs.