Great show, so expecting a great game.
VOTE: Energetic Penguin
Where does the energy come from?
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ReaperCharlie wrote:PeregrineV wrote:Unvote: Thor.
We want more Thor, not less Thor.
@ReaperCharlie- Your machine's either 50% or 100% busted.
A) Please explain your unvote.
B) Please explain your comment "more Thor, not less Thor".
C) If you don't want Thor gone, then... why were you voting for him?
D) What reason do we have to believe you that my WA™ 3000's broken?
E) It's maintained on a bi-weekly basis. Ergo I know it's in top form.
ChannelDelibird wrote:PeregrineV wrote:@ReaperCharlie- Your machine's either 50% or 100% busted.
Which of these options do you think is more likely, Peregrine?
ChannelDelibird wrote:PeregrineV wrote:I have no clue right now. Rag has done no more or less than other players so far today, so he hasn't particularly earned a scum or town read.
What do you think of post 168?
Ragnarokio wrote:this game is just filled to the brim with cool people.
@Peregrine: Any reason in particular you don't find anyone suspicious?
danakillsu wrote:Despite the way what looks?
This is the only thing I could find in your post that was about me and was not full of crap. Before I answer this, I have to deal with the rest of it, though. Please READ YOUR POST. OUT LOUD. TO YOURSELF. There is absolutely nothing besides this that is about me that uses any reasoning or could lead to any reasoning. You literally just assumed I am scum and thought "Hmm...how would scum sound doing this?" and just said I sounded like that. Nothing about WHY PeregrineV is not scum or WHY the thing I mentioned are not scumtells or WHY my points are minor, you just say they are and expect people to believe you. None of this is gonna stick, so you might as well just stop throwing it at me and hoping that just maybe it will.
To answer this question, though, what he's doing honestly doesn't look great and he even admitted it by saying he couldn't prove he wasn't just waiting for you to vote. It sounds really lame that he just "forgot" to vote earlier, but he doesn't care. That's a towntell, imo.
danakillsu wrote:But you also have to realize that since I know I'm town, his agrument look pretty reasonable. Of course, I naturally distrust everyone until they're dead, but knowing my role, I would be more inclined to see his side over yours.
Of course, others may do the same depending on how they already view the players involved. So, it may stick.
What the heck are you talking about? Because you're town, you have to believe RC when he says I'm scum? You naturally distrust everyone, but trust his opinions despite his lack of reasoning?
Mastermind of Sin wrote:Hmm, was a bit suspicious of CDB's confirm vote on Peregrine, but I like the way he explained himself. I'm willing to see what Peregrine does when the discussion turns his way.
Unvote, Vote: PeregrineV
ChannelDelibird wrote:I think Peregrine is legit scummy, though. I quoted the sentence I did because it's worded from the perspective of scum who are afraid of having discussion turn to them. Town don't need to be afraid of that.
ChannelDelibird wrote:I assumed that the post above was pending an EBWOP, seeing as you forgot to type your point.
danakillsu wrote:PeregrineV wrote:danakillsu wrote:But you also have to realize that since I know I'm town, his agrument look pretty reasonable. Of course, I naturally distrust everyone until they're dead, but knowing my role, I would be more inclined to see his side over yours.
Of course, others may do the same depending on how they already view the players involved. So, it may stick.
What the heck are you talking about?Because you're town, you have to believe RC when he says I'm scum?You naturally distrust everyone, but trust his opinions despite his lack of reasoning?
This:
1. There is nothing scummy about the sentiments in that statement.
This:
Bad things in this iso include: Complete nitpicking of points so minor they shouldn't even be mentioned, calling people out for scumtells that don't exist, using phrases like "half-heartedly non-commits to a reread of the game" which is obviously framing the situation in a favorable light to your case, and attempting to exude an aura of confidence even when under obvious duress, which is exactly what Andrius was doing (or at least attempting to do).
and this:
I mean, Andrius's PBPA was worse, obv, and I lynched him for it. But this one is still very terrible and I'm interested as to why CDB ignored it and instead confirm-voted on someone who's not that scummy in comparison.
I realize that you think RC's side of the argument is better than mine.But you didn't answer my question, which is whether you being town in fact MEANS you have to believe I'm scumvia RC's arguments. Because that is literally what you were saying in that post.
If I thought you were scum, you'd feel the wrath of my mighty vote. So, no, I don't think that yet,but trust his opinions listed above.
But, please expand more on why he is wrong. Maybe you'll convince me to vote him again.
Ironically, you choose to use the word trust despite you saying that you did not trust anyone. But even more importantly, THAT LAST SENTENCE IS EXTREMELY SCUMMY. Why, you ask?
1) Because even if I could prove beyond a doubt that he was wrong, it wouldn't make him scum.
2) I don't particularly want anyone voting RC at this juncture.
3) I REALLY don't want to try to convince my top scumread to vote anyone (except himself, if that's allowed). You being convinced and voting someone would only make me think they were actually town.
I say wrote:Maybe you'll convince me to vote him again.
danakillsu wrote:@ PeregrineV
I don't want anyone voting RC because I don't believe he's scum.
Voting RC is not "agreeing with me". It's actually doing the opposite.
How what I've said makes your sentence scummy would, I think, be plain to see.
danakillsu wrote:If you say "Maybe you'll convince me to vote him again." and convincing you to vote him is not something I want to do, you're misrepping my purposes.
danakillsu wrote:
If you're my top scum candidate, you're trying to get me to do something scummy by persuading you to vote someone else, which has no pro-town motivation.
danakillsu wrote:
And back to this:
But you also have to realize that since I know I'm town, his agrument look pretty reasonable. Of course, I naturally distrust everyone until they're dead, but knowing my role, I would be more inclined to see his side over yours.
Of course, others may do the same depending on how they already view the players involved. So, it may stick.
This is DEFINITELY saying that you have to believe I'm scum. Let's look at what happened here.
1) ReaperCharlie calls me scum, partially because of the way in which I called you scum.
2) I tell him that his points aren't going to stick because they don't use logic. Context will pretty clearly tell you that I'm saying his efforts to make me look like SCUM are not going to work.
3) You say why you're inclined to take his side. Your main reason is the town role you say you've been given. You say OTHERS MAY DO THE SAME, AND IF SO, THATIT MAY STICK. In other words, if people take the same path you have, they will believe RC's arguments and think that I'm scum. I dare you to try to retcon your way out of that one, cause your words are pretty plain to see. So I ask you again: What about you being town and others being town WOULD make you AND them believe that RC is right and I am scum?
Magua wrote:
P-edit:
PeregrineV wrote:GAIZ 3 BODIEES IS TOWN
Who is scum?
Also, when you just call the person you're currently voting town, it is customary to vote someone else. Such as a person you believe to be scum.
Also also, I pre-emptively admit that my quote of you may not be exact.
PeregrineV wrote:OK- CDB reread:
Scummiest so far. 80% of posts are one-liners. Mostly comments. Some questions.
Total scum found in 500 posts: Me.
Case provided on, for, to or about me: 0
EP re-read:
Some townish reads, some scummish reads.Notresult would be null, but going to put on the thin line just on the town side.
Ongoing fav lynch: Mastermind of Sin
ChannelDelibird wrote:PeregrineV wrote:80% of posts are one-liners.
Succinctness is pro-town.
ChannelDelibird wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:Mostly comments. Some questions.
This is fairly meaningless. Discuss more why this is bad.
ChannelDelibird wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:Total scum found in 500 posts: Me.
I've expressed suspicion of Ant more than once and also said I'd happily lynch EP.
ChannelDelibird wrote:OK, I'm rereading the whole game and writing this post as I go through. Let's start with explaining why I'm voting for Peregrine at the moment:
This post is why my vote moved there immediately. Peregrine declined to comment on the RC/Thor early game interaction which IMO was the first definable thing that happened in the game and instead made a spampost with a funny image.
ChannelDelibird wrote:He also said "Let's hear everyone else's cases", which struck me as a little weird, seeing as his case was a funny image - seemed like he was encouraging more random spam rather than getting on with the game.
ChannelDelibird wrote:
I found it interesting, so I moved my vote to him. I didn't make any further comment because I wanted to see if/how he/others would react to it.
This post by Ant was the first interesting reaction I got, once I "bumped" my vote. This is the sort of post that I've let scum get away with before - in which I vote or announce suspicion on someone without elaboration and a scum goes "yeah, I had a funny feeling too" or similar to try and look like they're sharing my thought process. This is a big part of why I think Ant is likely scum.
Peregrine then makes this post after a few pages away. He makes a point of commenting only on the fact that I am voting for him and also some references to the early page spam shenangians. Nothing else.
Inside joke.ChannelDelibird wrote:
Then he jumps on the Thor wagon when a couple of other people do. Exploitative.
ChannelDelibird wrote:
Then all of a sudden he doesn't want Thor wagoned. It's not as if anything in between his vote and unvote actually came from Thor, or had any reasons from anyone as to why he shouldn't be being wagoned after all.
ChannelDelibird wrote:
Meanwhile, Ant no longer seems to have found Peregrine suspicious after all.
This is a really interesting post from Ant, in that itlookslike he's saying something, but he's actually not saying anything at all. He's trying to look as if he has a reaction to the fake daykill without actually giving an opinion.
In this post,, Ant makes excuses for lurkers (which he can potentially refer to later when a lurking scumbuddy comes up for suspicion). His Peregrine vote is quite interesting and I'm not sure what to make of it either way (reluctant to draw any direct connections between anyone before we get a scumflip, anyway).
Ant does get town points for giving opinions on everyone unsolicited. Gives me pause.
I've already pointed out why I think the second part of this Peregrine post is scummy, but the first part of it is, too. See Peregrine straddle the fence with expert precision refusing to make a stand either side of the RC/dana debate.
ChannelDelibird wrote:
This ReaperCharlie post stood out weirdly on reread. He complains that I didn't comment on dana's iso read and subsequent vote on Peregrine then uses it as evidence that dana and I are scumbuddies. He also says that "only stupid town or scum confirm vote" which is such an incredible generalisation (I mean, blatantly false). Yes, he has the audacity to callmea "tunneling townie". This is RC who's been going after dana all game on pretty much no reasoning.
Back to Peregrine, and this post shows him simply dimissing a reasoned explanation from me about the psychology of scum players and why I thought one of his posts was worded in a way more likely to come from scum than town as "opinion". He also says he wants to avoid "post wars", which appears to mean "having any kind of discussion with the people who are voting for me at all".
ChannelDelibird wrote:tl;dr:Peregrine is scum. Everything Ant has done makes me think he's scum apart from this post which came out of nowhere to give an opinion on everyone and now makes me really unsure. RC is on my radar now.
mikeburnfire wrote:Confusion is a scumtell? Since when? Ooba believed RC to be scum, and he wasn't, so now he's thrown off. Seems simple to me.
Ant wrote:Although, it is possible that Peregrine could be scum while dana is town, but I find that less likely of an option.
Really? I find it to be entirely possible. It would explain that why, near the end of the day when there was two strong townie wagons, he would throw his vote elsewhere. Perhaps on his scummate.
In the scenario described, we are speculating that dana is town, and Peregrine is scum. Since the wagons on EP and dana were strong at the end of day 1, a scum would not bother getting involved and throw his vote elsewhere.mikeburnfire wrote:
Can you please explain in deep detail why Dana and Ep were both strong townie wagons? What does that mean? That both are town? Or that there is a lot of town members on both wagons?
Well, in post 626, you had Dana listed as one of your "biggest suspects". Please walk me through the transition from "biggest suspect" to "townie" from post 626 to 629. It honestly seems like a bad slip on your part, because leaving off the word townie and your post makes more sense. But since you included the word, it has raised flags with me.
Thor665 wrote:PeregrineV wrote:@Thor- I like the investigative questions. However, how about alittlelot of opinion on the game, players, actions, etc?
You're saying I haven't been doing this, or you want a recap, or what? I haven't been fond of wallposting for quite a while now.
Dana wrote:Ugh. I can't be on the same wagon as PeregrineV.
Thor665 wrote:@Pere, here's my recap of the lynch, the nightkill, and what's going on today. ::deep breath::
EP is dead, he was town, probably at least one player on that wagon is scum and I'm betting Rag.
ReaperCharlie is dead, he was town, I tend to suspect he was killed more for general town goodness than a particular pushed case though might reappraise that after a few more flips.
I am wondering why you're not voting Rag.
Anything else?
Ant_to_the_max wrote:
ReaperCharlie wrote:Also, once dana flips we get that much more info out of him than if he were left alive. Conversely, if EP flips, we get next to nothing, and scummy-dana is still alive, whether or not he's actually SCUM (which I believe he is). Consider that in your calculations of who to lynch, ooba.
You have a point, but I see things from the opposite. If he flips town, I think MoS and ooba should be looked into tomorrow. I know it is probably to late for wagons on them and out of dana and EP I will vote dana. Honestly I get the same feel from EP as I did last game.
Rag wrote:Most of the other people in the game are null, with one or two raising some minor suspicions that I intend to look further into so as to form a solid opinion.
ooba wrote:I scumhunt and think about any game with regard to scum teams and who can be possible scum with other people. It usually is random on D1 without seeing a single flip. However a second re-read post any flip helps tremendously.
Case in point: A game where I was attacked for a total 180 in reads from D1 to D2 after flips.
Mastermind of Sin wrote:PeregrineV wrote:Ant_to_the_max wrote:
ReaperCharlie wrote:Also, once dana flips we get that much more info out of him than if he were left alive. Conversely,if EP flips, we get next to nothing, and scummy-dana is still alive, whether or not he's actually SCUM (which I believe he is). Consider that in your calculations of who to lynch, ooba.
You have a point, but I see things from the opposite. Ifhe flips town, I think MoS and ooba should be looked into tomorrow. I know it is probably to late for wagons on them and out of dana and EP I will vote dana. Honestly I get the same feel from EP as I did last game.
Looking into the ReaperCharlie NK. First suspect would be MoS, since RC was voting him, but that seems like a frame job. So, looking into it more, would like Ant to elaborate on this statement about further examination of MoS and ooba today, becuase it hasn't happened yet.
...what? How can Ant examine me and ooba based on dana flipping town when dana is still alive?
Mastermind of Sin wrote:Snipped because forum won't let m enest more than five quotes.
I read it as him talking about dana (based on the part bolded above). Regardless, Ant is still alive and can tell us what he meant by that statement, so I'm not really sure why we're arguing about it. Moreover, I'm not sure why Ant hasn't chimed in to correct one of us yet.
Ant_to_the_max wrote:PeregrineV wrote:
Looking into the ReaperCharlie NK. First suspect would be MoS, since RC was voting him, but that seems like a frame job. So, looking into it more, would like Ant to elaborate on this statement about further examination of MoS and ooba today, becuase it hasn't happened yet.
Yup. Spent a lot of time looking up past ooba games during the night. When I was trying to make a case on him, it ended up looking like it was just personal quirks that were bothering me. As for MoS, I was looking through his posts, and was kinda redirected from them to Magua.
PeregrineV wrote:Ant_to_the_max wrote:PerigrineV killed that chance. To many people were V/LA and he dragged RC along with his wagon swing. =/
For some reason I can't fathom, this statement bothers me. I mean, it does, then it doesn't, but then it does again.
How so? With you and RC, dana was down 2 people. I know I am not the best at trying to convince people to make quick last minute decisions on changing who they are voting =/
Ant_to_the_max wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:I don't like the way Ant switches back and forth between voting MoS and defending MoS. And MoS is sort of returning the favor, but neither is doing it directly.
Hmm???
iirc MoS has gone from scum to null for me throughout this game and I don't recall ever "defending" him.
Ant_to_the_max wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:
Dana is female, and EP is male.
No, Dana is male as well according to his profile. I believe RC yelled at me a bit for mixing that up.
Ant_to_the_max wrote:
Ant_to_the_max wrote:
ReaperCharlie wrote:
Also, once dana flips we get that much more info out of him than if he were left alive. Conversely, if EP flips, we get next to nothing, and scummy-dana is still alive, whether or not he's actually SCUM (which I believe he is). Consider that in your calculations of who to lynch, ooba.
You have a point, but I see things from the opposite. If he flips town, I think MoS and ooba should be looked into tomorrow. I know it is probably to late for wagons on them and out of dana and EP I will vote dana. Honestly I get the same feel from EP as I did last game.
The he is EP. Near the end of day MoS and ooba were my top two scum picks. Opposite part was on how EP was going to flip.
Oh hey! My opinion of RC NK would lead me to MoS/MBF/Magua. I have a hunch that I need to go and cross check on this so I'll just post this for now.
And
VOTE: Magua
before I forget again.