Mini 1316 - Last Will Mafia IV (Over)

[Nachomamma8]

Alright, first thing you guys need to do is fix your wills and put me as your first option. Then, I'm going to powerlynch someone, my scumteam will kill one of you, and then we'll repeat the process.
Sound good?

Not voting because I want to give everyone a chance to change their wills.

[Nachomamma8]

Alicewondering is last on my list because she's one of the players in this game I have no prior knowledge of and she was already last on the player list so I didn't move her anywhere.

Will you answer your own question?

This for me, except LastSurvivor.

Vincent, you didn't put down a random vote. Do you not care about this game?

[Nachomamma8]

Vincent, you didn't put down a random vote. Do you not care about this game?

VOTE: Nachomamma8

Skimming already? Do you not care about this game?

I don't quite understand what you're voting me for.
It seems like you're jumping on things without looking for scum intent.

And that would be bad.
Very bad.

Alright, first thing you guys need to do is fix your wills and put me as your first option. Then, I'm going to powerlynch someone, my scumteam will kill one of you, and then we'll repeat the process.
Sound good?

i'll take this deal, who do you suggest we powerlynch?

as for last person in my will, alice

Patience. The party can't begin until all the guests arrive. But once they do, I'm sure someone will fuck up in a big way.

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: Malee - right below me in the player list. I randomized the order of my last will, and Alicewondering was last.

Do you know anyone in the player list?

[Nachomamma8]

You're the one jumping on things, without double checking. Vincent voted for someone, you missed it. Simply as that.

I didn't vote on it. You did.
Why?

[Nachomamma8]

I didn't vote on it. You did. Why?

Because at the time (and even now) they weren't a lot of posts, so you just skimmed and that's worth my vote. Why shouldn't I vote? It got us talking, eh.

Just because there's a small number of posts doesn't mean that you should put down a serious vote if you don't believe there's scum intent. I also foresee myself speaking with every member of the playlist that posts, so it probably would've been better if my discussion with you didn't start with suspicion, don't you think?

[Nachomamma8]

Why exactly aren't you unvoting, LS? You're talking to him as if you're trying to appease his rage.

[Nachomamma8]

It was a good point (not a strong point or a scum point) you had but it says more about you than DDD.

I'd love to know why it was a good point other than pandering to LastSurvivor because even you recognize the point was easily addressed.

VOTE: Nachomamma8
Malee is pathetically shrimping away from this, but I like the point. Nacho's an above-average player and when he's on cruise control and not reading things deeply that suggests to me he's not really looking for scum that deeply.

Success in early scumhunting doesn't really require reading every post; most RVS posting doesn't have much substance behind it. The key is to force people to say what they don't want to say, and that's what I'm working on.

[Nachomamma8]

nacho...didn't vote vincent?? (now who's not paying attention )

I admit, I'm confused :p

That makes it a null case UNVOTE:

How did you interpret my #41?

Maybe "early game" is different, but it just reminds me of Sotty in the Winvitational and her being on cruise control with the Triple D is scum for the fake post restriction; she's better than that and you're better than this.

I was also on cruise control during the Winvitational, and I think the difference between me there and me here is pretty clear. My scum cruise control is not missing things in thread; it's more not being in the thread in the first place.

Because while I remember nacho being someone who knows what he's talking about, I don't feel like I remember him being the voice of the town or anything. At least not on Day 1.

What games have you played with me? I only remember Quietville, which was an absolute trainwreck for me.

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: RHINOX His long posts feel like he knows they will be taken as townie, due to their length/passive aggression. Ultimately it feels forced, and its the best i have at this moment. He just doesnt feel right, at all.


last survivor is last on my list, fyi

How is making a long post that you think will help people read you as town scummy?

Kortul needs to get his ass in here.

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: RHINOX His long posts feel like he knows they will be taken as townie, due to their length/passive aggression. Ultimately it feels forced, and its the best i have at this moment. He just doesnt feel right, at all.


last survivor is last on my list, fyi

How is making a long post that you think will help people read you as town scummy?

Kortul needs to get his ass in here.

it didnt feel like it accomplished anything other than rhinox wanting to appear townie, that really isnt town behavior imo

When you're defending yourself, what other objectives should you have?

[Nachomamma8]

Nachomamma8 - controversial read. He is an experienced player, seems calm and confident, yet is flowing with a tide, mostly answering questions, with an occasional relevant question of his own. Not a single vote, even during RVS - those who know him, is it his usual playing style?

This isn't my usual playstyle, no.

Malee didn't seem genuine with the over reaction to one thing (nacho) and lack of much else.

Personally, I think that Malee's reaction to nacho was an attempt to gain town credits from me.

Vincent's almost certainly town for this post. It's a good dose of egocentricity/tinfoil hats that I doubt scum would fake even if they could.

To me, it looks like this wagon on Malee is sort of forced; there is no relevant reason for her to be scum more than anyone else. LS's argument is based on pandering, which I find not to be a valid scumtell Day 1. However, I respect other people's opinions, and if this behavior continues from Malee, it will be very hard to dig out of the hole she created for herself.

Mmmm...
You find the wagon shitty, but you're not really taking an active hand in stopping it... Sounds like you're lining up for the "I told you so".

Nachomamma is scum. I can't see any other possibility.

Not Voting (4) - nachomamma8, funkybike1, vincent2128, Malee

With 13 votes in play it takes 7 to lynch

If you have a suspicion that strong, why not act on it?
It seems scummy as hell to me that you have some magically strong scumread that, for some reason, doesn't come with an explanation or a vote.

Vote: funkybike

[Nachomamma8]

"When you're defending yourself, what other objectives should you have?"

None.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, any reason for the change in playstyle? When did you decide to do it?

I like to keep early game fresh. Decided to do it at the beginning of the game.

[Nachomamma8]

Can't say I'm really interested in a Malee wagon right now since I think the fundamental point she made was a sound one about Nacho.

Dislike Rhinox becuase of the very soft way he's been playing. There's absolutely no conviction in the arguments he was making; his "good point" from LS wasn't actually a good point and it was just the first i a set of panders towards LS that he mde.

making a good point or agreeing with a mediocre point doesn't indicate much in terms of alighnment; though I do agree that Rhinox has been playing a reactive game instead of proactive. Still haven't seen anything from Malee that makes me want to change my vote.

You're looking in the wrong place.
It's powerlynching time, and you can still grab your spot before it becomes mainstream!

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho managed to provide a decent explanation for his behavior; I find it believable.

So, as soon as I attack you, you back down. Nothing to say about anything brought up against you?

[Nachomamma8]

I dunno, when I'm town, I really want to appear town.... I really don't agree with your vague case/vote on Rhinox.

Fair enough, honestly. I'm struggling to put my ideas accross, I suppose it could be considered a heavy gut case, but im pretty convinced.

Nacho "changing his playstyle" urks me. Its moreso the fact that hes talking about it.

Does anyone have a deep past with nachomama, that they would be able to meta him easily (before the playstyle change), I think he might be trying this to dodge a meta-gun.

Rhinox has played the most with me out of anyone here, but he doesn't really have a deep past with me.

[Nachomamma8]

As for Malee wagoners, I'd like to see justification for staying on the wagon.
Do you really feel your case was that strong?

[Nachomamma8]

This feels like attempt to secure a place on the next biggest wagon when the malee wagon dies.

Lastsurvivor pulled the same shit.
Why Alice and not LS?

[Nachomamma8]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Unvote, Vote: Alicewondering

[Nachomamma8]

I'm not as strong a proponent of a Malee wagon than the others are. It's just that I have yet to find a scumread to put a vote upon.
Pretty much this is the reason why I'm voting Malee

Malee didn't seem genuine with the over reaction to one thing (nacho) and lack of much else.

Personally, I think that Malee's reaction to nacho was an attempt to gain town credits from me.

Do you have scumreads that really aren't that strong?
What are your townreads?

[Nachomamma8]

As for Malee wagoners, I'd like to see justification for staying on the wagon.
Do you really feel your case was that strong?

I think the case against Malee is strong. Sure, there's only one point, but it's a pretty good one. I definitely want to work out what out people think of it before I move on.

It's hard for me to distinguish between sloppy play because not paying attention and sloppy play because scum. And without her here to explain herself, I really don't think we have a way to distingush between the two right now.

[Nachomamma8]

DDD and Rhinox are scum, imo. Maybe even Nachomama instead of DDD. Nacho is doing what every player who has been "Scum-meta'd" does, "CHANGE THEIR PLAYSTYLE" in heavy air quotes (its more fashionable that way). And quite bluntly, I see a connection between rhinox and nacho. DDD feels independently scummy, some for his lurking, some for his actual posts.

Where do you see the connection? What motive would I have to change my scum meta if no one here has a deep past with me?

[Nachomamma8]

don't really have time tonight, but expect a reread from me tomorrow.

[Nachomamma8]

Okay.

It's early in the morning, I have a bit of time on my hands, and it is time to get things done.

First, misguided.

You dont get my point. I agree with you, which is why nacho is scummy. People dont just have a preset plan for the game, it makex no sense. Nacho defended his actions with saying he has a new strategy, so essentially its a useless excuse, and hes scum

You haven't said shit about how my early game play was scummy.
My "playstyle change" wasn't something big, it wasn't something scummy. I didn't vote during the RVS like I usually do. Gambitting/trolling early game is part of my overall strategy, you can read that. You also am calling me scum for something you can't wrap your head around. If you don't believe me, read this. Before the game even begun, it was mine and Fate's duty to fuck with Hoopla, regardless of alignment. More proof, there goes the neighborhood, where I pre-planned a survivor fakeclaim as VT. Ellie's mafia, where I intentionally lurked as hard as possible before going on a mad scum-searching adventure in the last few days. The fact that you so boldly paint a picture of me being pressured hard, flailing, and only able with a blatant lie is ridiculous and stupid. It was a fun theory for a while and you got a town read from me because of it, but you can only ride the bullshit train for so long.

Nice adhom in #272. I'm on the right track then.

There are things people do because they're scum. There are also things people do because they have it so lodged in their head that there is no way in God's green earth that they could be wrong. Blatantly lying about the position on his suspect list? Yeah, no scum motive there. Insulting you for questioning him on things that he believes to be completely correct? Stupid, but not scummy.
In things other than that, last time we met I was scum replacing into a shitty position and he was town who was promptly mislynched. So his strongest pursuit of the game is me, with a case that would be pretty damn risky as scum. No scum motive here either.
In short, the scum game that hiplop would have to be running now is risky as hell and being run for absolutely no reason. I can't even think about voting him until I understand why hiplop scum would get it into his mind that any of that would be a good idea. Do you have something that can change my mind?

Hey guys Nacho is still totally doing nothing useful; maybe he'd start doing something useful or at very least we'd lynch scum if ya'll voted him as well!!!

I've been ignoring you lately, waiting for something to happen. From my experience of your playstyle, you are a player with a bit of an unconventional playstyle that gets things done. Right now, you are getting shit accomplished. If this is a gambit, bring out the fireworks because I am really, really bored of waiting.

Scummy:

Happy to oblige, but first: My predecessor has certainly left me in a big pile of poop, but I have to say that had I been reading this as a neutral I would have found it all to be very a very forced case (although I didn't read it a a neutral so I could well be biased).

I liked Malee, and I had a town read on Malee.
You, however, are taking a step onto my bad side with beginning your wall with trying to make excuses for your predecessor. The fact that you put it first shows that you're more concerned with defending yourself than finding scum, and we don't need people like you around at all.

That's it for now, they got shorter as I went along but I'm getting tired now so... I need to read through again and will possibly revise some of my reads over the next couple of days, unless I'm lynched of course.

Then, there's this.
You make a perfectly fine catchup post, with reads and stuff. You seem like you're misinterpreting the position you are in, as evidenced by the fact that you are afraid of the possibility that you will be lynched before you talk again. I find that scum are more likely to have these kinds of feelings, since they feel they have something to make up to the town for all of the glaring mistakes they see in their predecessor's play.

LOL Hip can't even remember his reads.

This is lazy. Try harder.

@theo: Ty for placating my hungry desire for content.

Unvote, Vote: Lastsurvivor

You have been pushing people to provide content but you haven't been producing it much yourself. Instead, you've been riding a Malee vote, but that has been riding for oh so long now and it's time to shit or get off the pot. Recent posts have not been helping.

The biggest problem I had with her is her out of place complimenting. In post #138, she says something vincent said was "very townish to say," even though, quite honestly, it was not very townish to say.

For example, this. "Out of place complimenting" is disagreeing with you? Yeah, not really acceptable.

And then there's Fishy, who is being fishy as hell, as per usual. Feels to passive, too lost in this game without Malee here. Please change this soon and be the Fishy we all know and love.

[Nachomamma8]

Rhinox is reaching way too hard to justify his stance on hiplop.

Happy to oblige, but first: My predecessor has certainly left me in a big pile of poop, but I have to say that had I been reading this as a neutral I would have found it all to be very a very forced case (although I didn't read it a a neutral so I could well be biased).

Fishy, Nacho; Amished-tell?

No.
Amished tell is when they read their predecessor's ISO in order to figure out their general standing. Reading the game and complaining that you're in a forced position isn't the same, it's what Amrun did here.

If your vote is only based off of a joke I've been making based off of Rhinox's post 254 (read the last sentence and his use of the word "placate," and then look at my avatar and scroll down to #258 where I first used the joke if you don't get it), and a slight disappointment that I haven't changed my vote in awhile, then hopefully you won't mind if I disregard your vote for now.

The hungry wolf comment was quoted as an example of one of the times you demanded more content. That would've been clear to you had you read my posting. As for "slight disappointment", it's more than that. I never suggested it wasn't. And, didn't even acknowledge your "out of place complimenting" bit. Can we try again and answer people's suspicions against us seriously?

I've concluded that this hiplop/rhinox argument is town/town and pointless. Honestly, both of them are using arguments that are so illogical that this has to be two people with bad tunnel vision on each other.

You're looking at the arguments as opposed to the people themselves. This is scummy.

This is a prod dodge.
Being sick sucks.

It's like being useless, but more excusable!

Theo's move to alice is absolutely horrid. I'm surprised someone hasn't noticed this already.

I'm liking kortul so far, even though he's a bit of a passive player, that's alright.

Alice needs to take defending a lot more seriously than she is now. Probably town still, but completely blowing off cases on you is just poor play.

Voided, I've been wrong with the tell once. I've learned my mistake.

[Nachomamma8]

I will be back to normal self by tomorrow.

[Nachomamma8]

4n, nacho, alice, and Rhinox. Please rank bike, alice, and moan in scumminess (alice, you obviously don't have to include yourself in your list)

Useless.

Lovely.

Just in case it isn't clear to everyone: We're lynching either funky or theo today. If you aren't on either of their wagons, stop lollygagging and hop on.

I'd rather you hop on funky, but you know.

Pretty sure almost everyone is on either one wagon or another at this point, save Nacho and the two wagoned individuals themselves. I could be wrong though.

10 bucks says they're both town.

[Nachomamma8]

Honest question: Do you really think I haven't been providing content since you've been gone? Your argument's irrelevant ATM.

Let's discover that answer for ourselves, shall we?

@Alice: Hey, Alice, you interacted with your former primary scum read! It only took...me prodding you. Nice. Alice, why didn't you interact with someone who you said was your primary scum read multiple times until now?

Wait, so now you like Hiplop? Seriously, two people call you out on your vote (Nacho and I) and you back off. At least try to show some conviction with your vote, jeez. It doesn't seem like you have any fake scum reads now, either, Alice.

Also, not replying to any of my argument is nice. "Instead of even looking like I'm defending myself, I'm just going to say 'lol.'" Good strategy. But I'm not going away just because you know how to laugh out loud.

This is disgustingly hypocritical. For one, you're falling into the same fallacy you called anxiety out for. And two, Alice laughed off your case. Which is coincidentally the same reaction you had to mine.

I can get into your case itself if you'd like, but while it was long, it was terrible. Then you bitch at her for ignoring your case, follow up once, and... drop it. Then, you unvote her for her points on DDD? Which have been brought up multiple times before?

@alice: As much as I agree with your points on DDD (hence why I was doubting my read and switched my vote), you're not going to get enough momentum for a lynch before deadline. So you should totally vote funky too.

No. You got cold feet on an alice lynch, and so you fall back on an old funkybike case.

I find the fact that I'm the focus of Macro's first catch up post unsettling. I'm just wondering if it's because I had the most posts at the time and he decided to latch on to every word I said. He accuses a lot of my cases of being overblown, but they're early game cases. They're going to be based on weak things if they're two pages in. And why did he flip flop after all that attention he put on me? I don't think I've acted any more townie since the game started.

In general, I just find that the catch up post starts to say less and less. And like someone already said, he wants to vote for someone that isn't mentioned at all in the post.

I'm fine with a macro lynch.

And now, the macrophage vote. He attacks you, you talk about how townie you've been and how he's scum for doubting your townie self. And then you criticize his catchup post for "saying less and less"? Tell me, have you ever done a catchup post before?

[Nachomamma8]

Macro: You've gone on and on about wanting me dead, and then suddenly completely reverse your read on me, pretty much the same as theo did except scum to town instead of town to scum. And as far as I can tell, there's no reasoning why you did that switch.

2ndly, witholding a claim like that isn't pro-town at all, and the AtE doesn't help you.

DCL: Explain to me how you know he wasn't scum. That line screams that you have some sort of inside info about him, to be honest.

of course he has inside info.
he replaced funkybike >.>

[Nachomamma8]

Macrophage:

Ugh. It looks like I won't be able to get around this. I'm just a VT. I just couldn't see myself not getting lynched. What I ask is, don't just use this as an excuse to lynch me and don't write me off as scum because of my initial claim. I hope you can think about my actions and see that they come from town.

After an initial not-VT claim, claims VT.
Why on earth do you think Macrophage-scum would do this? He knows that, chances are, he will die if he claims VT. So, if he was scum, then why not go through with the not-VT claim and say doctor, or cop?

[Nachomamma8]

-One thing that makes me hesitant about calling macro scum because the players he replaced didn't play well is that if I had been another player in the game, I would have definitely found funkybike's actions scummy...yet I now know he wasn't scum... I other words, I'm open to the possibility that the people macro replaced just sucked, as opposed to being scum.

DC's town.

[Nachomamma8]

Kort, why the unvote of bike's slot?

Nacho, it's useless because it's outdated. Those were the three wagons when I posted it.

Also, macro is town. I'm sold now.

Okay. What do you think of LS?
DDD most likely isn't getting lynched today.

[Nachomamma8]

Same goes to you, Macro.

[Nachomamma8]

Yeah, I laughed off your case. I never said you didn't have a right to get mad at me for it, did I? Hell, I expected you to get mad about it. Thus, I think I have the right to get mad at Alice for blowing off mine.

This doesn't make sense. Why did you just laugh off the case, then?

DDD didn't have anything to do with it and I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

@alice: As much as I agree with your points on DDD (hence why I was doubting my read and switched my vote), you're not going to get enough momentum for a lynch before deadline. So you should totally vote funky too.

"As much as I agree with your points on DDD

(HENCE WHY I WAS DOUBTING MY READ AND SWITCHED MY VOTE)

..."
You're not sure where I'm getting that from? You said, blatantly, that the reason you doubted your read and switched your vote was because of Alice's points on DDD. Not because you realized the case was bad. But because of Alice's points on DDD. And now you said that had nothing to do with it?

Yeah, typically I just don't say a lot throughout the entire catch up post. But I'm always consistent.

Generally, people start out strong and lose stamina over time. Like writing a paper or doing homework.

Anyway, you picked out a few of my posts, but your post doesn't even answer my question. Am I or am I not providing content?

No you are not. You are still doing nothing.

[Nachomamma8]

You didn't really say a lot and there wasn't a lot that I felt like I could reply to. You voted me for being on the Malee wagon for too long. I agreed, and I was going to do ISOs that day so I knew I was going to, as you said, "get off the pot." Then you said "out of place complimenting" was bad, and...I still don't see why. So I just decided to be a dick and get on with my ISOs, because I figured you'd see that I was actually getting shit done.

But that didn't happen I guess.

I don't see your logic.
You saw that my case had a valid point. You didn't understand the other one. So you misrepresent my case (saying that it was based off a joke that you made), and laugh it off. Why did you expect anyone to take that response as pro-town?

Well, your acting as if I ONLY unvoted Alice based on her points on DDD. That's not true. It was because of her play in general and my rethinking of the case that caused me to unvote. So, yeah, DDD did have something to do with it. But you're overstating the significance.

In the statement you bolded, you could replace hence with "which was one of the reasons," and it'd have a more accurate meaning.

I'm acting that way because that is what you said originally. Now I don't know what the hell you are saying anymore, considering we've gone from DDD was the only reason, to DDD had nothing to do with it, to "it was one of the reasons".

[Nachomamma8]

What ad hom attacks?

Can you actually consider things properly, what's your problem etc etc.

Um, this is a bit of reaching you're doing here.

[Nachomamma8]

Now you're just being stupid. I'm not going going to call you town just because you call me town.

aaaand you've proven his point.

[Nachomamma8]

i think I see what Macro is getting at.

He's either scum or very fucking smart town, I'm not sure which though :\

light macro on fire.

No longer smart town, suddenly buffoon scum

Just wondering, what has made him go from smart town to buffoon scum?

Figured he may have been a PGO/BP (or role of that caliber). Where he was hoping claiming a PR would eat the scumshot

Why, as scum, would he claim VT after setting up a powerrole claim?
He's acknowledging that the VT claim likely means death. And yet he doesn't claim a PR after setting up for a PR claim. Why? Do you think he was betting on someone finding this townie? Do you think he didn't think of it?

[Nachomamma8]

Now you're just being stupid. I'm not going going to call you town just because you call me town.

aaaand you've proven his point.

What point, exactly? My read on him hasn't changed, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

You're pretty dead-set on Macro at this point. Doesn't matter what he calls you, you're still going to vote him.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, why is DCL town?

Entrance post. Criticizes the people pushing the main wagon and brings up how funky was exactly like the malee/theo. Two things that scum will generally never do because it brings a lynch away from town and draws attention to themselves.

Can you say what you think is most scummy about him?

His explanations for his actions all sound fake. Handiest example is his response to my initial case on him, which was this:

@Nacho: Hum. If your vote is only based off of a joke I've been making based off of Rhinox's post 254 (read the last sentence and his use of the word "placate," and then look at my avatar and scroll down to #258 where I first used the joke if you don't get it), and a slight disappointment that I haven't changed my vote in awhile, then hopefully you won't mind if I disregard your vote for now.

My original case was that he had been sitting for Malee for too long, and had been asking for a lot of content, but not delivering. This response not only misreps my case, but brushes it off completely. LastSurvivor's explanation for this post is that he agreed that he had been sitting on Malee and he was doing ISOs that day anyways so I was going to see his protown light shine through. If you believe someone has genuine concerns, then why brush them off? Or, better yet, if you agree with problems someone raises against you, why the hell would you misrepresent them?

[Nachomamma8]

Second: I mistyped/lied when I said that her points about DDD had nothing to do with me unvoting.

BUT you're still misinterpreting the post. I saw Alice's general posting after I posted my case and started doubting myself. Basically I started doubting myself when she actually replied to my case. Then I looked back on my case and realized it was crap and unvoted.

Yes, DDD had something to do with it, but it was only a part. If you think of it in that context, I'm not sure how what I originally said doesn't make sense. I think you're just being too literal with your words.

You mistyped/lied. Okay. Can you answer the original piece, then? Why were Alice's points about DDD special when we heard them all a thousand times before?

Yeah, I got that. It took three versions of the story to get here, but at least we're finally here.

[Nachomamma8]

How does this prove I'm scum though? If I were scum, do you really think I'd react the way I did to your case? No, because it would just make you angry when a simple "I'm gonna do ISOs and 'get off the pot' later on today" would have sufficed.

Reacting to your case that way was a stupid thing to do, yeah. But there's no way that doing that blatantly misrepping a case when you don't have to would further a scum's agenda. If you can find the scum intent behind this point, then by all means enlighten me. Otherwise, you've just proven that I was being a dickwad that day.

Misrepping a case against you is a pretty fucking simple way to make it seem like there isn't a case against you. Just saying that you would do ISOs today and alleviate my concerns would require acknowledging there WAS a case against you, and I don't think you wanted to do that. Being a dick does NOT justify consciously and purposefully misrepping someone's case. When I'm angry, I use colorful words, but I don't intentionally MISREP SOMEONE'S CASE.

The intent of the post is not "Oh, hey, your DDD points are really unique and special." It's "You should get off that DDD wagon and vote Funky." So you're still misinterpreting the post. I'm not thinking as highly of the DDD points as you think I am.

But you told her that's why you unvoted her. What is the point of the parenthesis otherwise?
And i still don't understand why you blatantly lied about the DDD bit. I set it to the side for a moment because I didn't really understand why anyone in their right mind would do that, but maybe you can help me out with that. And when I did call you out on it, you tried to shuffle the blame onto me for your lies because I "acting as if [you] ONLY unvoted Alice based on her points on DDD", despite the fact that it was all you told us. More pushing, and you change your game and admit you lied. So why the hell did it take so much to get the truth out of you? Did you think my case sucked so horribly that you could say whatever you felt like and it would go away?

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How does this prove I'm scum though? If I were scum, do you really think I'd react the way I did to your case? No, because it would just make you angry when a simple "I'm gonna do ISOs and 'get off the pot' later on today" would have sufficed.

Reacting to your case that way was a stupid thing to do, yeah. But there's no way that doing that blatantly misrepping a case when you don't have to would further a scum's agenda. If you can find the scum intent behind this point, then by all means enlighten me. Otherwise, you've just proven that I was being a dickwad that day.

Misrepping a case against you is a pretty fucking simple way to make it seem like there isn't a case against you. Just saying that you would do ISOs today and alleviate my concerns would require acknowledging there WAS a case against you, and I don't think you wanted to do that. Being a dick does NOT justify consciously and purposefully misrepping someone's case. When I'm angry, I use colorful words, but I don't intentionally MISREP SOMEONE'S CASE.

The intent of the post is not "Oh, hey, your DDD points are really unique and special." It's "You should get off that DDD wagon and vote Funky." So you're still misinterpreting the post. I'm not thinking as highly of the DDD points as you think I am.

But you told her that's why you unvoted her. What is the point of the parenthesis otherwise?
And i still don't understand why you blatantly lied about the DDD bit. I set it to the side for a moment because I didn't really understand why anyone in their right mind would do that, but maybe you can help me out with that. And when I did call you out on it, you tried to shuffle the blame onto me for your lies because I "acting as if [you] ONLY unvoted Alice based on her points on DDD", despite the fact that it was all you told us. More pushing, and you change your game and admit you lied. So why the hell did it take so much to get the truth out of you? Did you think my case sucked so horribly that you could say whatever you felt like and it would go away?

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I don't really understand why Alice and Fishy think that after the VT claim Macro is town. I mean, the fact that scum less likely to do a VT claim doesn't instantly make this claim town. If he claimed to be some PR, would you lynch him instead? I see possible PR hunting motives here, which makes me even more suspicious of Alice (and Fishy), at the same time it means that there's chance that i am wrong about Macro after all - PR hunting on a scumbuddy isn't exactly productive.

Macrophage held the belief that a VT claim was going to equal certain death, as you can tell by the way he claimed. So, claiming non-VT was clearly a move of survival. As scum, once he had already laid that claim down, there was no reason to rescind on it at all. If he were PR hunting, then he might as well claim a specific PR, or else it would be useless. The only reason he would rescind that claim is if he didn't want to be counterclaimed, and scum who were pretty certain they were gonna die really don't give a shit about being counterclaimed.

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Voided, I'd also like you to explain your problems with the above.

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Voided, I'd also like you to explain your problems with the above.

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Considering that pretty much everyone off my wagon has said that they think I'm town and/or won't be voting for me, why aren't you trying harder to convince them?

I'm deciding right now whether to go with DDD or LS. Still not sure.

Unvote

for now.

You're not really helping yourself that much. Stop worrying about getting lynched. If you do, it's not the end of the world. Help us find scum and fuck everything else.

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Yeah, I'm getting bored of arguing with LS. If no one switches over onto him, I'll vote DDD. I won't vote Macro because that lynch is stupid.

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Can we go back to lynch macro actually?

I mean, I feel pretty good about Nacho and DC but I'm just not convinced about LS as scum. DDD would be my second choice - I get his meta is same as town and scum but I don't think his play here matches closely with either of the town or scum games posted as meta evidence.

Theres been a lot of "would scum really do that?" defenses being thrown around - would scum just really give up like LS and asked to be hammered?

Um, yes?
Not any time at all until deadline, probably gonna get lynched anyway. No reason to give more information than he has to, but no reason to self-hammer on the off-chance we fuck up and no lynch.

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but anyways, we have about 4 hours now until deadline.
we need a hammer.

[Nachomamma8]

post lynch thoughts? who's scum on your wagon? who isn't?

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also, Faraday.

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