Mini 1406: Sherlock Mafia (Game Over)

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Howdy,

Will read up and post ASAP

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Oh hold on I think Ludi might of scumslipped but I can't talk about it.

Lame.

Then why aren't you voting his slot?

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CES, you can be at L-1 now.
VOTE: CES
@BB: now you don't have to worry that you can't talk about this scumslip.

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I hate walls and that's all you people seem to post, so I decided to jump in and get reads as I go. Catch up posts are just more stupid walls. Also, I suck on Day 1 unless someone is super obvious scum. Nobody is super obvious so I jumped on the biggest wagon as people who've been playing since RVS seem to think that person is scum. Call it sheeping the majority. I need a flip to correlate D1 posts to to get any actual information. It's my play style. If you don't like it, lynch me.

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yeah....and? What's gonna happen? Someone is gonna jump in and hammer? Oh noes!!

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I currently like fey

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Why is CES getting lynched no matter what? It's early into day 1 and you don't like d3x. Persuade me on d3x alone without the crappy p199 wall of blah getting in the way. Better yet, "Explain it to me like I'm a five year old."

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Oh yeah, and you must have

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Oh hold on I think Ludi might of scumslipped but I can't talk about it.

Lame.

Then why aren't you voting his slot?

If you want to talk about something, we could always start there. Ooooooor, maybe you didn't really want to talk about anything in the first place (<---what I really think).

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Oh yeah, and you must have

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Oh hold on I think Ludi might of scumslipped but I can't talk about it.

Lame.

Then why aren't you voting his slot?

If you want to talk about something, we could always start there. Ooooooor, maybe you didn't really want to talk about anything in the first place (<---what I really think).

Are you asking besides the fact that it'll end the day?

zzzzzz

You could have posted intent to hammer, you could have said your vote would be on except for it would lynch him, you could have done a number of things other than mention a possible scumslip and ignored it all together afterwards. I don't understand the reason for the post if you weren't going to discuss it or anything.
For the record, I don't like BB for town at all. Has literally done nothing but a "catch-up" wall since he replaced in.

@Hero: thanks for the wall of shit you just posted. meaningless dribble I fall asleep reading.

@everyone: So you all like to make a lot of noise and not actually concentrate on one thing at a time? That shit is scummy as hell. It does NOTHING good for town. So stop it. Seriously. If you write a wall, pick out the main point you want to make and make it. I might actually start reading your post.

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Trying to figure out where any of the scenario's I listed said to lynch him. And if someone else "might have seen it", then why can't you talk about it exactly?

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Would not oppose a Sotty wagon.

Yeah, not happening. Scotty reads town. You on the other hand don't.

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BB: rob gave voice to my gut in his read of you in p264.

Sotty, my bad.

Wondering if BB is actually trying to take some heat off of CES purposefully....

I'm good with lynching either BB or CES to this point. I've used not posting in games like this to remove heat from myself as scum before and could see CES doing the same. I have also taken heat off scumbuddies by posting like BB. I could see both being scum. Will look for connecting factors later when I'm not on my phone.

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@JW

: Add BB to that list and I could be on board with lynching thems all. I'd save Hero for last though as even though I could see your point in p280, I don't see anyone that noob to post that as scum. Well, I've met one person who was that noob, but Hero doesn't strike me as that noob. CES/BB/ and possibly Hero/Feysal (I hate lurkers) is what I'd call good candidates for scum. Probably not the scum team, but I'd say there's probably 2 scum in that group. The problem with Feysal being scum with CES and Hero is that he'd have deliberately called them both scum in his last post:

However, ever since I noted Ludi's unexplained defense of Herodotus, I've considered the possibility of them both being scum. Now that I read through his posts in isolation, his reaction to that defense in posts #38 and #62 is indeed curious.

I find it odd that he would even think of chainsawing when he is being defended himself, and he of course claims to be town. Odder yet is how in the later post he seems to assume the defense was not based on Ludi's read on him, when Ludi had not explained it at all. Herodotus has been asking several questions, so why not ask Ludi and jump to a conclusion instead?
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blah blah blah

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In other news, the battle between the Jabberwocky and Cogito Ergo Ludo continues, and I see we're at L-1, so not voting there yet.

I also wish CES had replaced in to happier circumstances and a different slot.

I'm amazed that MoI had to be replaced after never posting, never thought I'd see the day.

@Feysal:

Why (re: bolded). I don't understand this sentiment from a town perspective especially after you just said you could see the slot being a scum slot.

Yeah, I think CES or BB need to go today. Feysal needs to post before that happens and I want d3x to comment.

Speaking of D3x, he is NOT posting like town-D3x posts. This is very suspect, but I have nothing tangible other than that I know him and when he's town, his posts are different than they are in this game. I could see him as scum as well.

So, to consolidate:
Leaning Scum: CES, BB, Feysal, Hero, d3x. Probably in that order. If no discussion were allowed from this point forward, this is the order in which I'd lynch.

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^soooo many things...maybe I was wrong about the noob thing...

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^Zomg...a real post from BB. To top it off, it reads as coming from town....well, more so than any other post he's made at least.

That aside, the more I read d3x's ISO, the more unlike town-d3x-play it is. Add d3x to those I'm willing to lynch today.

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In fact, BB moved to 4th place d3x third and hero second.

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I might take that^ into consideration if you flip town. If you flip scum, d3x would be practically conf town though so thanks for that.

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Speaking of D3x, he is NOT posting like town-D3x posts.

Lol... How many of our games have you accused me of this since we've come back to the site? I just checked, and it's all but one. I don't think that you know what Town-d3x sounds like... lol. We can discuss more in depth once at least one of them ends.[/quote]
Maybe, but in this case...we'll see. You're less town-you in this game than any other I've seen you in since we came back to site. It's not solid and not worth voting you but it's there. We'll see as the days progress and we get flips. CES seems to want to point people in your direction, so if he's scum, I'm just paranoid cuz I know you....

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well that was broken....

Speaking of D3x, he is NOT posting like town-D3x posts.

Lol... How many of our games have you accused me of this since we've come back to the site? I just checked, and it's all but one. I don't think that you know what Town-d3x sounds like... lol. We can discuss more in depth once at least one of them ends.

Maybe, but in this case...we'll see. You're less town-you in this game than any other I've seen you in since we came back to site. It's not solid and not worth voting you but it's there. We'll see as the days progress and we get flips. CES seems to want to point people in your direction, so if he's scum, I'm just paranoid cuz I know you....

There, fixed

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Damnit people, quit calling me town. I'd like to live through the night.

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GB is a worthless lurker scumbag at best....

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Or we could just lynch him......just sayin....

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I think you need to talk about the other, because it could contribute significantly to how I view your opening in this game and whether there was appropriate town motivation behind it.

Damn it... I suppose I may have to now, but not to enable you to read me better. I was thinking of how to respond and rereading when I realized something I should have figured out before the game had even begun, although to my defense no one else has said anything about it either. This means my original plan was misguided, but perhaps I can salvage something from the wreckage.

I hereby state that there is something important we need to discuss before ending the day, probably before we even get Ludo Ergo Sum to claim.

No, I am not going to tell you what it is right away. Time to see if I can draw any reads from this. I give you two hints though: read your role PM carefully and see if you figure it out. The other hint is this post by Herodotus.

If you're playing mafia, the people on your team have roles. If someone says that the roles are misguided idiots, that doesn't make you enthusiastic about righteously destroying the other team. As far as I'm concerned, within this game, Sherlock Holmes is a fugitive criminal who will presumably murder someone each night. Anyone who wants to bring him to justice is doing the right thing.

I always thought there was something off about this post. No, not the scummy kind of off which is why I never mentioned it before, just wrong. Now I realize that, surprisingly, it is in fact a decent town tell. Let's see if any of you have any clue what I'm talking about.

Um...Grats...you can read the game specific rules. Also, this has been posted about before. The town are against Sherlock. You posting this with genuine surprise gives you some town points though. Other than that....I'm not sure that scum are gonna miss that they are on Sherlock's side. I will say that from what I gather, it seems as though this game could be over if a certain someone gets killed.

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CES, time to claim. Why are you flaking all a sudden?

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That's funny, the one guy (me) who says Dex isn't a good lynch today actually PLAYED in that game. Did I mention that I know him personally? He not even close to being the lynch for today.

Also, you forgot to claim scrub.

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CES: By the way, waiting till 2 days before the game day ends to claim when asked to is also nice and scummy. I probably won't be buying w/e you're selling anyway.

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Like, I got my games confused. I am actually paranoid about Dex in THIS game. It's another game I believed his response to my paranoia. At any rate, unless you have something other than what you posted, then all you're doing is grasping at straws to see if someone will bite. Hell, you may even see that you are the lynch today and could be trying to distance from a scumbuddy for all I know. I'll have to keep that in mind later.

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Read my p381....

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Sotty: what do you think about CES's sudden drastic drop in activity?

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So......we aren't going to get a claim from CES before we lynch him in 2ish days?

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If he does that, I don't care if he claims God....he's getting rope

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Surviving town players? This is day 1, nobody is dead. Which scum were you pushing for 4 days straight again? I was reading through your ISO and don't see this push you speak of...

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Oic

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I'd like everyone to post what they think CES will flip and why before the hammer. I can't for the life of me figure out why this close to deadline people think its ok not to post. It's definitely not a townie behavior.

I'm thinking CES has a good chance at flipping town due to so many not being active and scum being pleased with a mis-lynch. I'll give it a 45% chance. The other side is he himself isn't active which could be why he's not posting once it was fairly clear that he was going to be the lynch. It keeps us from gaining any more info to link to his buddies. All in all, I think the later is more accurate.

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So...no claim?

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All that reads to me is that you aren't anyone we don't want to lynch.

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Hero or gummybear for me....eny meany miney....
VOTE: GB

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Nope

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Wait, I just thought about Hero's question and don't see how he can have the same WinCon as I do while not knowing the answer to that question.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Hero

This.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: hero

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fuck

-q

Stub your toe or is there a legit reason for a post with nothing in it but cursing?

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^ agreed

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I'm sorry gummy, I don't remember saying the post with nothing but the word 'Fuck' in it was scummy. Secondly, nice misrep on saying that I was. It was a simple question and I forgot you were a stupid hydra. If rob didn't just semi clear you, you'd have my vote for sure. You have literally done nothing all game but tunnel me. Thus you are wasting you efforts.

For a second, let's assume you actually are town and realize how dumb you're being and you have to come up with 3 more scum reads. Who would they be?

Rob: I hate to doubt your read, but I wouldn't assume that someone acting so scummy couldn't have a godfather power hoping to be investigated. I'm dropping it for now, but GB is far from cleared in my mind.

DV: why d3x?

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Not seeing it either...

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So you saying I was trying to "discredit" your (q's) post isn't you calling me scummy for it? Then why is it in your post about reasons you're voting me? You're so contradictory its not funny. Also, trying to discredit me by calling me bad at this game is just you being mad I caught you being scum.

Since your read on gummy isn't even PR related, I can't not vote for scum.
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Here's a tldr for gummy's last post: "blah blah tunnel kthx blah. Oh, and I'm scum"

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I have no idea what you're talking about. If you feel the need to actually explain your town tell, that would be great. I'm pretty sure it's wrong though.

Explaining my reasoning would be playing against my wincon at this point in time. That is all I will say regarding the matter. I'm very certain of my town-read, however.

Ok, here's my problem. I find GB scummy. His tunneling and his misreps of my posts to try and fit me into his 'scum read' are just bad.

On the other hand, I have a very town read from Rob. I also believe Rob sees something I don't. I also believe that I'm starting to do the same things I'm accusing GB of doing. This means what GB is doing isn't necessarily from a scum mind set if I find myself doing them as well. This means I will trust Rob FOR TODAY and look elsewhere.

I have a feeling that one of d3x/hero are scum due to the question hero asked and d3x's response. I play with d3x often and I have a gut feeling that something is off with him in this game. He is very hard to read due to his play style.

Hero has also given me a scum-vibe....so yeah....

I need to reread.

UNVOTE:

For the record, GB's play still looks scummy.

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Dex: thoughts on Rob saying GB is town.

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Hero, point out the posts for everyone that you think peg me as being scum. So far all I see is "people are suspicious of kthx, I am too" from you. What are your EXACT reasons for thinking I'm scum? On the flip side, what posts do you use to convince yourself that Feysal and DV are town? I'm assuming you can put together an argument based on more than 'gut'.

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Holy omgus batman!

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more when I get to a computer

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I'm not a hydra. I also think every single one of the players in this game could be scum. My reads, though wrong sometimes, are usually something I don't doubt. I don't like this game. It seems that the active players could all be town and the scum lurking/actively lurking. I could also read this game the opposite and say those most active are scum. I don't like not having a read.

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For the record, I'm a complete and utter idiot who has very low reading comprehension....

I also just now realized why people thought I was so scummy. /facepalm Wish I could go into it more without giving scum more info than they should have, but townies, just trust that my reading comprehension skillz, or lack thereof, have made my posting look crazy to you all.

I'm going with gut and a little bit more and
VOTE: d3x
kill this with fire

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drowning it would also be acceptable

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Not so much attacking more than I now understand why I got votes from GB, you and Rob. Though unintentional, I guess it's now a positive thing that I didn't read things clearly and posted the way I did. I now have some good town reads.

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d3x is L-1 by the by. I'm also damned near positive he's flipping scum. Less on gut (which has been there all along) but more on certain posts of his.

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I'm down

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Ok, I'm more then down with Sotty dying tomorrow

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post

What's this d3x? Guilty post much?

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interesting how?

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Hey d3x, wanna tell is who your bro's are? Is Sotty one of them?

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Woot! So yeah, totally didn't read my role close enough till my post explaining such... My bad town.