Mini 1427 - Slenderman Mafia - Game Over

[Mr_Ree]

VOTE: Lord Mhork

Because I can.

[Mr_Ree]

Of course I'm town. I'm the high priest of Cthulu.... or was it day vig... doctor maybe? Didn't read my role very well.

I think you may be on to something. What does it look like to you?

[Mr_Ree]

It's worth making a note of but I've never played with Serra or fuzzy. I have no idea what SP is thinking.

Tbh, your "for the sake of the wagon" looks more suspicious. It's also what prompted Fuzzy in the first place which makes me wonder why you are asking.

[Mr_Ree]

I call them as I see them Mhork.

Why fuzzy? Do you know something I don't?

[Mr_Ree]

That wasn't Epic at all. More over explained than anything. I've got my eye on you AJ...

[Mr_Ree]

I just reread and my impression is that fuzzy is town. 'M gonna keep an eye on his wagon and those on it for now. Aj is my top pick for scum at the moment.

Can we replace -L- yet? Other players would like to get in on this, I'm sure.

Perhaps I can revisit Mhork later but for now,
VOTE: Aj the Epic

[Mr_Ree]

So, Yates' 111 makes him confirmed town.

VOTE: Serrapaladin

This is sarcasm? I could totally see that .. /sarcasm

[Mr_Ree]

@Piggy: Could we get a votecount please?

@Fuzzy: haven't looked into your Meta yet but I'm curious to know your background in playing Mafia. Have you played off site? How many games have you played in total?

Totally getting a town read off Yates, which is strange because I haven't been able to read him well in the past. I like where he's going with this but I'm still not down with a fuzzy lynch.

Mhork's original accusation on page 1 still looks suspect. Aj is still making no sense to me. Every post feels defensive.

[Mr_Ree]

@Yates, in the Inbetweeners I was in one of two scum teams. I was still very much scumhunting for the other team. I couldn't get a solid read on you all that game. I don't know if that game set a baseline for how I view your play but I get the impression you're more on the ball this time around. Comes across as town. I'm just trying to get some kind of PoE going so I have something to work with tomorrow. 3 strong townreads or one solid scum read is all I need for a jumping off point. find myself uneasy with my reads day 1 in most, if not all my games. Which is where you come in.

I'd like your thoughts on Aj the Epic. I kind of think you guys are barking up the wrong tree with SP and/or Fuzzybuttern,uts so I won't be too offended if you think I'm doing the same.

@AJ, your math is off. If it was 3 Mafia, start with 3/8 after mislynch & NK, it's 3/6, again and it's 3/4, so Mylo would be day 3. Either way, speculation gets us nowhere at this point. Too many variables. There's no freaking way there's only one. I know it was said jokingly but still...

[Mr_Ree]

I kind of think you guys are barking up the wrong tree with SP

What makes you think so?

It's very much a gut call but I've learned to trust my gut in early game. I've been playing a bunch of newbie games recently. Fuzzy comes across as new town to me which is why I asked about experience. I'll see if I can dig up the post(s) that gave me a town read on SP.

For me, especially this early, it's more about who's posts set off alarm bells on the initial read through. I've gotten better at looking past derpy plays. They still mess with my reads, just less so
now. I'll chalk that up to dealing with too many newbies recently.

As for my reads being skewed from AJ's vote, you could very well be right. Going after my wagon has always been a big part of my M.O. though and I'm not about to change that anytime soon. Going after an RVS wagon of one would be silly on it's own but combined with the defensiveness and an unfamiliar posting style, I'd like to keep my vote here until I get a better feeling for both AJ and his posting style. I'm just not seeing a lot of pro town behavior and every second post sets off alarm bells for me.

[Mr_Ree]

Too many smilies.....

Waiting to hear from safety dance before I change my vote to anyone.

[Mr_Ree]

@AJ, when you were looking at Leviathan's Meta, did you notice excessive use of smilies in any of his games? If so, which ones?

It's a longshot, but humor me.

[Mr_Ree]

I wasn't really planning on it. It's a tell of some kind. Just can't figure out what it tells. Best guess is a pressure tell, which says he's getting worried he's getting lynched. Doesn't tell me much about his alignment though.

[Mr_Ree]

You did and that was a stupid reason to quickhammer. Everyone should lynch you tomorrow, unless you can explain your crappy play before my flip.

[Mr_Ree]

Why does every one of your posts read like an RVS vote?

[Mr_Ree]

Iknowright?

[Mr_Ree]

Now is when you post a "I see what you did there" pic....

[Mr_Ree]

Really fuzzy? Aj makes a case on Ree based on interactions with you and you sheep the vote?

I'm not sure what's worse, that or the fact that Carey then sheeps you...

Also, the disarming of a blatant reaction test.

Quoted for truthiness. Posts like these are where my original read came from.

vote: Carreyhammer

@Carey, you still didn't answer my question

[Mr_Ree]

That post was made literally as I was typing my vote. My vote had nothing to do with what AJ said.

If AJ's post had nothing to do with your vote.......
...why'd you vote then? You didn't exactly make it clear.

[Mr_Ree]

If it must be, it must be. Can't argue with that. I assume you would be fine with lynching Careyhammer first though. You should get on that bro. It would totally be the most epic move ever.

[Mr_Ree]

In fact, it could even make the difference between epic fail and epic win. Do it dude. Seriously.

[Mr_Ree]

UNVOTE:

I'll decide who gets my vote when I get back. Careful not to mislynch me. My meta is total village idiot as town. look me up.

Interesting response within minutes of my post while v/la.....

I'm pretty sure I'm the only one voting you at the moment. If you know your Meta so well, what's to keep you from manipulating your play to look like your playing the VI as scum?

[Mr_Ree]

That's what I was going to ask after reading that...

[Mr_Ree]

Guys, I dont even read the thread until a few days before deadline.

Let's not rush into lynching anyone.

Actual content coming this week I promise.

How is this fair to anyone? If you are town, we miss out on your reads and your multiball RVS votes could very well end up quickhammering a townie.

The fact that some people are actually against this
wagon just makes me want to lynch him more.

Seriously, if this is the level of play we can expect, there is NO point in keeping him around. This is borderline policy lynch territory.

HD gave us a perfect associative tell if Carey flips scum.

[Mr_Ree]

And playing a VI makes someone town?

What benefit do we get from NOT lynching him?

[Mr_Ree]

See, now I'm torn. On one hand, I'd really like to get a feel for the replacement, on the other hand, I still want to lynch off that slot. Carey was one of those lynches you can really get behind, his refusal to play ball and actually start playing is something I've never seen before. Truely the epitome of anti town behavior

Human Destroyer's insistance that anti town does not equal scum comes as a shock too. I fail to see any benefit to keeping someone around who isn't actually going to read the thread or make any non RVS posts. If not for that, I probably wouldn't give him a second look today.

Aj still bothers me but not quite as much. Probably more to do with the continued insistance that we wagon people I mostly see as town, including myself. Can't fault him for being clueless. He was on the Carey wagon which shows that he at least has the ability to see blatant scummy behavior.

I think I'll leave my vote here for the time being to make sure the replacement makes a good showing.

@Yates: I still see fuzzy,,as noob town. Admittedly I have a weakness for them. Yes, they require hand holding but they usually prove useful once the facts come in.

[Mr_Ree]

I do still have some apprehension regarding fuzzy though, he never did give his case on me or explain his vote. If AJ's post wasn't the reason for his vote, I'm curious to know what it was.

P-edit: wtf? Parting reads?

[Mr_Ree]

Dear lord, save me from the stupidity.....

Is Yates the only one making any sense? His responses to Ms Mangles accusations are genuine and exactly what I would expect them to be, in other words, correct.

Ms. Mangles is tossing everything she can at Yates in hopes something will stick. I'm actually surprised that she has actually managed to convince more than one of you. She's gotta go. Between her "cases" and Carey's continued drop ins, this slot

cannot

be allowed to move past today. I have to agree with Mhork and Yates here. You have to understand, if she makes it to Mylo or Lylo, she is too much of a risk to not lynch off at that time, potentially costing us the game. With her lynch, we gain valuable information and we get rid of the most troublesome slot. With her gone, we can use her flip to gauge the many many connection posts that I have seen over the last several pages.

*Reminder to self to re-read the last few pages after a few flips

@Mhork, The Amished tell was for my benefit wasn't it? I've been losing faith in that tell lately. I know I've used it many times in the past but... I'm just not trusting it anymore. It may work on Amished but I've found that new players are just as likely to make the same mistake when their predecessor is critisized. I've also found that since I've used that tell in multiple games, familiar players have been trying to bait me with it. That said, I do agree with most of the rest of your case on her. It's a righteous wagon no matter what the flip is. There's a good chance it's going to be scum but I'm not going to be discouraged if it's not. Neither should anyone else.

I honestly don't know what to make of Levi. Those smilies mess with me to no extent and read as flippant responses, even when flippant responses are detrimental to whatever he's trying to say at the time. Best advice to Levi, drop the smilies or it's going to cost you in this and future games. Listen to Yates and work on improving your play. His baseball analogy was dead on.

@AJ: Make some cases then. If all you are going to do is repeat "Let's lynch Ree or Fuzzy" over and over, it's not going to go anywhere. Make a case so others can make up their own mind. Make a case so it looks like you are actually making an effort. Make a case so that Fuzzy and I can defend ourselves. Just make a freaking case.

[Mr_Ree]

@ newcomer: Just a heads up, Ms M is at L-1. Would appreciate the support but declare intent, make your own case and allow others to respond to your case before hammering.

Fuzzy is the next biggest wagon but I personally feel that Ms. M is a better option.

Take your time deciding but deadline is still only a few days away.

[Mr_Ree]

Phone's almost out of juice, will try to answer questions before it cuts out. First off, SP...

P-edit: Leviathan... I just picked up a read on you. Guess which way I'm going on this...

[Mr_Ree]

Wtf!?!?!? Stop voting, let me catch up. You are doing it wrong.

[Mr_Ree]

why are people voting Yates? Are you all crazy?

[Mr_Ree]

OK....caught up. Thought a combination of scum and stupid was going to lynch off town... well.. useful town. Fuzzy? I guess I can handle it if need be. If I had to choose between Yates and Fuzzy, the more useful is always the best choice. Let's investigate Yates, per his request, and when he is confirmed, we can get back on track and lynch Ms Marangles like we should be doing in the first place.

Levi, the description you gave of Yates' play thus far is more than enough reason not to get rid of him day 1. We need to investigate so we know for sure. If multiple people are under the impression that Ms M. is town, she needs to be investigated as well. For some reason you guys are just eating up whatever she's selling, without noticing the big can of rat poison sitting beside the candy.

There are too many player that are just not thinking at the moment. All I've got to say is actually read BOTH Sides of every argument and seriously take a minute to judge what people say for yourself. Put yourself in other people's shoes if you have to. Ms. M is bad news. If you want me to change my vote, make both a town case for Ms. M and a scum case for whoever the flavor of the day may be (seriously, people, it's freaking deadline)

[Mr_Ree]

why are people voting Yates? Are you all crazy?

We saved Yates. He's fine, and no amount of scum will kill him today.

I've been liking your play lately, keep it up. You did a good job turning that^ around. Can you honestly tell me that you see fuzzy as more scummy than Ms M though?

Would totally lynch both the player and slot in a heartbeat if the support was there. What happened? How did people start buying that garbage she was spewing? Was it when TNE replaced in and went from attacking to realizing the were both of the same general descent, to backing and defending Ms. M.?

The same TNE who replaced Lurker Kiwi? Defending and backing the player who replaced scummy, Lurker, needs to be lynched ASAP, still posting in a game he replaced out of, Mr. Scumtastic himself, Carey?

Her wagon needs to go back ASAP.

[Mr_Ree]

You know what, fuck it, I'll show you myself,

Kill Ms. Marangal

Hate using it day one, but you people are just running in circles and it's driving me bananas.

Last minute reads before you die Ms. Marangal? Make them quick and short.

[Mr_Ree]

It's both. Your AtE bought a few followers but your arguments have basically been a frame up and you haven't budged on any of your points, even when proven wrong.

I thought your lynch was in the bag, completely ensured. Every one of your cases screams scum to me. They are completely manufactured to show your target in the worst light possible.

[Mr_Ree]

Would you prefer it be you fuzzy?

[Mr_Ree]

Would I prefer the lynch be me? No. That's not gonna help town at all. Granted, I'm not a PR, so there's not much I can do as of now except re-read and see if I can come up with scum, based on the information I now hold.

I think that would be in your best interest. Make a good case. Make it quick.

[Mr_Ree]

No, just no.

[Mr_Ree]

Well, worst case scenario here, we have a conf town and one town dies. Best case, we have conf. town and scum dies.

but isn't there the slight possibility that he could be a one-shot scum? and aimed purposely at a town so two town are dead and it would make him look good as a one shot town shooter?

No, just no.

[Mr_Ree]

SP... I see you reading the thread.... no comment?

[Mr_Ree]

Back later to see the flip. Dog needs walking.

Pedit, whatever you want to give, make an effort, don't, it's all the same now. If you want to go down fighting, it's all the same to me. Give me reads entirely based on truth and if you flip town (not that I think that's going to happen, obviously.), I'll be more inclined to listen. Of course, if you flip scum, I'm going to have another long look at your buddies SP and TNE.

[Mr_Ree]

Thanks, that should be enough to work with.

Please return to your regularly scheduled voting.

[Mr_Ree]

I did get the idea from you, SP. Mine was much better executed. I couldn't leave it going overnight as that would impede voting, but I believe the reads and reactions that followed it to be genuine. Just have to do some work and see where the pieces fit together.

Back tomorrow. Sleep now.

[Mr_Ree]

I suppose. Will think later. Sleep now.

[Mr_Ree]

Why were you trying to out a PR claim? That's super scummy. Someone protect Levi tonight. I'll vig us some scum.

[Mr_Ree]

Yeah, just not a dayvig.

[Mr_Ree]

Why were you trying to out a PR claim? That's super scummy. Someone protect Levi tonight. I'll vig us some scum.

@ree: so you really are a vig?

I firetrucking love how you followed up my post.

So firetrucking scummy.

[Mr_Ree]

Trying to out claims and PRs? How is it not?

[Mr_Ree]

Why not ponder that after he flips? Pretty sure he'll flip town. That's not to say he wasn't the best choice in lynches. We were running out of time fast. Going after a claim from Levi when he hinted that he was a PR was useless, except from a scum perspective.

[Mr_Ree]

I haven't made up my mind yet and don't plan to until after the flip and a reread. You are on my list though.

[Mr_Ree]

I'd ask why but I don't really care one way or the other.

You're new aren't you?

[Mr_Ree]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Mr_Ree]

You guys are trying to show me up. I thought I had the ultimate PR ability. Bulletproof vig tracker. Come on. I clearly have the best abilities here.

[Mr_Ree]

Okie dokie. I'm not sure where to start. No claim from Levi unless he hits L-1. Would be nice to know but no need to reveal anything needlessly.

Would like to hear from safety before proceeding. In the meantime, I'm going to start looking at yesterday's wagons.

@SP: why Yates?
@Mhork: how would the claim benefit you?

[Mr_Ree]

Perfect. It does suck to reveal though. I was thinking tracker.

I'll protect you tonight Levi.

vote safety dance

[Mr_Ree]

If he dies...

[Mr_Ree]

Whoops. The hell was I thinking... commutes....riiiight.

Too much beer and too late at night. Back in 15. Hours.

[Mr_Ree]

The hell? Princess aligned with Slender man? Yellow indicates not town. Still, it's not scum. Very curious to know what Levi knows about all this. Traitor against princess who is aligned with slenderman? Probably someone who was on the fuzzy wagon and off the Safety wagon. Imma check on that, back later.

[Mr_Ree]

Sure they would. I have....

Cop should cop me if you think I'm scum.

I thought investigating Yates was the plan too.

[Mr_Ree]

Apparently you should START listening. How did you two get rolefishing from that? Why would an 11 player game NOT have ANY investigation roles?

[Mr_Ree]

There is still the traitor, slendy and 2 scum. So 4/9 player as far as I can tell.

From the story, slender man knew who the princess was and possibly the other way around. Princess and Levi knew about each other (assuming Levi was telling the truth about his role) Scum probably have no idea who slendy is, which means a possible 3 scum by the first story. That would make it a possible 5/9 players we need to get rid of. Godfather is a reach imo. Town would need serious power to deal with all that. Cop would make total sense.

3 scum/2 3rd party/4 town left. We NEED to hit scum today.

There is a possibility of a 3rd party traitor aligned with scum AGAINST slenderman. From everything Levi said, I think that possibility fits. Besides, why keep someone around if the can potentially become scum? Levi should go, if not today, then soon.

The points against Yates are weak.

[Mr_Ree]

Not a hard decision at this point but I'm not ready to end the day yet. There is still some missing pieces that I need to work out. Levi should go. I've had my suspicions regarding the other two as well.

I need to do that VCA I've been meaning to get around to. I was hoping someone would do the work for me after I brought it up.

[Mr_Ree]

The hell happened to my avatar...?

[Mr_Ree]

vote Leviathan

I didn't realize Yates had more votes

Yates is a candidate for slendy, not scum. Town needs to hit scum. If we get rid of the slendy team now, town will be outnumbered (if there actually is 3 scum(and taking the NK's into account))

P-edit : where to start....
@Ms M.: wrong. Levi said he becomes scum if nightkilled, so yeah, we do know it exists in this setup.

@Mhork : wrong. Your logic contains too many fallacies. Let me put it this way: you are like hawkleader backing scum towards a scum win.(reference to a completed game). I don't know if you got confused along the way or if you are scum yourself but Levi basically claimed scum. How is that not enough for you? The only people who should be backing Levi now is the scum team.

Sure...we could keep him around...we could lose the game by keeping him alive so scum can NK him right when it makes the difference between victory and defeat. Or, we can get rid of him before he becomes a problem. I simply prefer the latter.

[Mr_Ree]

Ok, seriously, can anyone else see my avatar?

[Mr_Ree]

Safety's faction color is yellow, indicating not town, therefore a third party or scum. Scum is NORMALLY red, which makes me think third party. First flavor post hints at a 3 person scum party, so town, three scum and 1 third party (safety). Levi indicated he can become scum. Since I doubt there would be 4 scum in an 11 player, he must be included in the three scum (from first flavor post). Next, since Slender man is generally a loner, one would think he is also third party, so town, 2 3rd parties, and 3 scum.

Put all that together and you'll understand why we should lynch Levi. Brings us to 2 scum and one 3rd party.

Since Levi obviously lied about the true nature of his role (no night, therefore, no commute), we can't trust anything else he said.

[Mr_Ree]

No night, no commute. I said he lied because of that.

[Mr_Ree]

It isn't optimal. Optimal would be lynching a scum PR, but hey, I'll settle for a potential goon anyday, especially since we have no idea who else is FOR SURE scum.

[Mr_Ree]

How do you get 4 factions out of that? One scum team and a few 3rds.

@SP did Yates claim? I must have missed that... I remember he said he would kill Mhork but I didn't take it at face value.

I was thinking about the slendy situation as well. From the flavor, it doesn't sound like a player. One would think he would be though, it is Slender man mafia afterall. Maybe SP is more on the right track than I am. Could also just be two scum and one recruitable with a third party princess. The yellow faction color is throwing me off. Definitely not town. No clue if it's scum or a third party color.

How come nobody asked why Ms. M hammered before Safety even posted? Are we just supposed to ignore that?

[Mr_Ree]

I was thinking tracker/Watcher myself

Unvote
Vote: Safety

[Mr_Ree]

... and if your win condition changed, you wouldn't tell us. It may have changed already, how are we supposed to know? Do we waste an investigation every night just to see if you've turned? Do we spend resources protecting you so you don't turn? You've become a liability, not an asset. Even if your claim is 100% truthful, which it CAN'T be, there are still missing pieces that throw it all out of whack, we can't spend the resources monitoring which side you're on. We can't be worrying about you either. You may be town now but that can change on any given day.

You gotta go BEFORE you become a problem. That's all there is to it. Thanks for doing your part, if you are still town and you die as town, you still win as town. Give your reads before you go, as detailed as you possibly can.

[Mr_Ree]

Good. I was wondering when you'd come around. If you have any last minute doubts, just reread my last post and bask in it's logic.

[Mr_Ree]

... it's on this page...

So explain, logically, how you came to believe that we should keep Levi around and lynch off Yates.

[Mr_Ree]

I'd like to hear what Ms. M thinks of all this. She's been strangely quiet since things stopped going her way.

[Mr_Ree]

You're a prick. You have no excuse for wasting town resources.

How would he be wasting town resources? If he's town, he has reason to ask to be investigated. If he's scum he doesn't. We would be wasting far more night abilities monitoring Levi.

We also get to see his flip color. I'm still thinking yellow is third party, not scum and not town PR, but hey, if we see red or yellow or a role he didn't claim, that's great. We may just learn the alignment of safety for sure.

I really don't know why you see this as a bad thing. What use is he to the rest of us? We can't trust his reads or his vote. HE CAN TURN TO THE DARKSIDE ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT. We have no idea who's side he's on even now.

The only people that would/ should defend him at this point are scum. He's that juicy low hanging fruit dangling just above their heads. Hey, if I was in their position, I'd be trying to keep him around too.

So, you know, I gotta do this,

HOS Mhork
FOS MS. M

I think I've been pretty patient with you thus far. We did have the other game together, I did ask if you wanted to Hydra. I've been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. I've been trying not to vote you. Now you start insulting my reads, saying my logic is bad, insulting me and other players...

I've given you every chance. If Yates doesn't kill you, I'm investigating you tonight and power lynching you tomorrow if I get a scum result. Fair enough? Your logic made sense last game. I can't see logic in the arguments you've made today. I can't make heads or tails of your reads this game.

Just think of Yates as confirmed town.

I just reread and my impression is that fuzzy is town. 'M gonna keep an eye on his wagon and those on it for now. Aj is my top pick for scum at the moment.

Can we replace -L- yet? Other players would like to get in on this, I'm sure.

Perhaps I can revisit Mhork later but for now,
VOTE: Aj the Epic

Time to revisit Mhork. Also, that breadcrumb...

[Mr_Ree]

With everything you've just said...... I don't even....

It doesn't make sense. None of it. Maybe your flip will tell us something useful. After the last few revisions to your claim, can't be turned by anyone but safety, may not flip traitor, not knowing safety was princess... What are we supposed to think?

[Mr_Ree]

Claim: not a cop. I want to be a firefighter today.

I got nuthin yet.

P-edit: and boom goes the dynamite.

vote Ms. M

[Mr_Ree]

Don't get me wrong though, I totally see what Mhork did.

You better have some good info for us Mhork, why Yates?

[Mr_Ree]

Levi lynch was good news so.. good for him.

Until I posted that I wasn't, you probably thought I was the cop, and that Yates was confirmed town, as per me. That begs the question, why Yates?

P-edit: check the first page Ms M. He was town at the time but that's not why we lynched him, we lynched because he could BECOME scum.

[Mr_Ree]

EBWOP, Do you have proof Mhork? Do you know something we don't?

[Mr_Ree]

So now that your reads are realigned, Mhork, who are your top picks for scum?

[Mr_Ree]

I thought I stopped the night kill... Well... with a little help that is. Are you sure you were targetted Yates? That could be useful.

Mhork is totally the right choice for today. With Yates semi confirmed and Ms. M cleared, it certainly seems right. He was next on my list..

My main draw was the voting though. There were certainly other things but the voting... the Ms. M/Mhork team made so much sense. Then, I have to take Mhork's tunnel vision into consideration. My previous game with him suggested that he's not the most flexible player.

For now I'll just:

Unvote

Something is bugging me. Just make sure we get a claim before we lynch him.

[Mr_Ree]

Nothing to explore. Multiple players had me as town so I claimed cop to give both Mafia and our protector role a clear target. Tbh, I was pretty sure that's what happened.

Pretty sure Mhork is at L-1. Time to claim.

[Mr_Ree]

Almost makes sense considering your reads mimic TNE and Ms M, who have already been cleared. Almost...

That said, HD and SP are my top picks if you do flip town.

[Mr_Ree]

So I take it you believe Yates' claim?

[Mr_Ree]

Yeah, that looks pretty bad.

[Mr_Ree]

Oh wow, I finally had a chance to sit down at a computer and figure this out. You guys need to see what I've pieced together.

*Entering power lynch mode

[Mr_Ree]

Part 1

Spoiler: Safety Dance

My god you people, you've like, tripled the post count since I replaced in. Aargh. I haven't even read the opening flavor. And pink hurts my eyes.

For HD:

Spoiler:

http://i.imgur.com/XH7BG40.jpg

UNVOTE

I think I'm caught up but I ended up skimming a few pages. to get through quick. I feel like I'm back in the newbie queue with

Levi

,

Fuzz

and especially

Carey

. I think their reactions to each other are genuine so I don't think they're all scum or all the scum is contained here and that would be...a very quick game but at least one of could be and I don't think they're all being this...dense on purpose. Surely?

What's worse is their play is allowing

Kiwi

to slide through unnoticed. Seriously start posting more please. I will be too., don't worry.

Don't want to lynch

AJ

or

Yates

, leaning town on them.

HD

, I'm not sure, I probably can't read him anyway but his "strong-town" play is giving me the heebie jeebies. Also feel the same way about

Mhork

, something about his early aggressiveness feels off and forced.

Serra

, I think the way he responded to pressure on him was genuine and townie, I think stubbornness is a town-trait.

Ree

nullish for now, will have to re-read reactions to others. Probably same for all. Last half of thread reads so different to first half.

Would like one of the first three mentioned to be lynched, if anyone wants to make a compelling present case now for either

fuzzy

or

levi

willing to hear it. But for now:

VOTE:CareyHammer

As others have said your VI-ness is counter-productive to town in any shape or form and it is not helping us in anyway and you're floundering just makes you look scummy. You should be lynched now, or if you're going to play, buckle up

princess

and start. You've got five days. That or do what HD suggests and replace out but do it quick so your replacement has a chance to defend themselves.

...and their was much rejoicing

Bit over 4 days for CH's replacement to do something. All for the best I guess. In the meantime:

if you think i'm scummy go ahead and lynch me already. =)

Vote: leviathan93

You asked for it. Why?

Fuzzy

, summarise (if you can) your thoughts on

Levi

and

CH

up to now?

Catching up quick...I can't even defend the trio of votes on me before but usually guys, pro tip here, when someone asks you a question, you don't vote them as an answer.

Earth

looks town, her reactions replacing in are pretty much exactly like mine reading through all this.

The Comment behind me agreeing with my lynch has more to do with my slot more then me. yes, I do care about the game, the flavor of the game is pretty damn awesome and I wanted to be a part of it, but what I also want is for my team to win. with all the bad rep

Carey

has already received, along with the fact that I am only just vanilla with the time constraints given, and the other possible wagons being put into perspective, the easiest way to eliminate the most possible noise and distraction later on in the game is to get this slot lynched regardless of who holds it.

In a nutshell, this is the only conclusion we can come to with the slot. We have a claim,

Carey

was terribly bad all game in a way

Levi

is trying to aspire to and we now have a deadline approaching. The slot lynched would clear up a LOT of confusion. I'd be willing to hammer. If scum, great, if not, we have her reads to go off day 2.

Levi

wagon, happy for it to be joined still please, he's argued with everyone, slots replacing in have mentioned the same things that have been repeated before and he's playing style has not improved. He's confident of being an idiot, how is that town?

If

CH

/

MM

can't be lynched, please get rid of

levi

. These three players, including

fuzzy

, can not all be playing this asinine naturally. So I'd rather focus evening-d1 on these three.

I haven't seen an updated VC (*hint hint*), will wait and hold off till moving any votes till then (or if deadline comes first, whichever) to give a chance of discussion.

[Mr_Ree]

Damnit Damnit Damnit.... why do I always forget to preview?

Part 1

Spoiler: Safety Dance

My god you people, you've like, tripled the post count since I replaced in. Aargh. I haven't even read the opening flavor. And pink hurts my eyes.

For HD:

http://i.imgur.com/XH7BG40.jpg

UNVOTE

I think I'm caught up but I ended up skimming a few pages. to get through quick. I feel like I'm back in the newbie queue with

Levi

,

Fuzz

and especially

Carey

. I think their reactions to each other are genuine so I don't think they're all scum or all the scum is contained here and that would be...a very quick game but at least one of could be and I don't think they're all being this...dense on purpose. Surely?

What's worse is their play is allowing

Kiwi

to slide through unnoticed. Seriously start posting more please. I will be too., don't worry.

Don't want to lynch

AJ

or

Yates

, leaning town on them.

HD

, I'm not sure, I probably can't read him anyway but his "strong-town" play is giving me the heebie jeebies. Also feel the same way about

Mhork

, something about his early aggressiveness feels off and forced.

Serra

, I think the way he responded to pressure on him was genuine and townie, I think stubbornness is a town-trait.

Ree

nullish for now, will have to re-read reactions to others. Probably same for all. Last half of thread reads so different to first half.

Would like one of the first three mentioned to be lynched, if anyone wants to make a compelling present case now for either

fuzzy

or

levi

willing to hear it. But for now:

VOTE:CareyHammer

As others have said your VI-ness is counter-productive to town in any shape or form and it is not helping us in anyway and you're floundering just makes you look scummy. You should be lynched now, or if you're going to play, buckle up

princess

and start. You've got five days. That or do what HD suggests and replace out but do it quick so your replacement has a chance to defend themselves.

...and their was much rejoicing

Bit over 4 days for CH's replacement to do something. All for the best I guess. In the meantime:

if you think i'm scummy go ahead and lynch me already. =)

Vote: leviathan93

You asked for it. Why?

Fuzzy

, summarise (if you can) your thoughts on

Levi

and

CH

up to now?

Catching up quick...I can't even defend the trio of votes on me before but usually guys, pro tip here, when someone asks you a question, you don't vote them as an answer.

Earth

looks town, her reactions replacing in are pretty much exactly like mine reading through all this.

The Comment behind me agreeing with my lynch has more to do with my slot more then me. yes, I do care about the game, the flavor of the game is pretty damn awesome and I wanted to be a part of it, but what I also want is for my team to win. with all the bad rep

Carey

has already received, along with the fact that I am only just vanilla with the time constraints given, and the other possible wagons being put into perspective, the easiest way to eliminate the most possible noise and distraction later on in the game is to get this slot lynched regardless of who holds it.

In a nutshell, this is the only conclusion we can come to with the slot. We have a claim,

Carey

was terribly bad all game in a way

Levi

is trying to aspire to and we now have a deadline approaching. The slot lynched would clear up a LOT of confusion. I'd be willing to hammer. If scum, great, if not, we have her reads to go off day 2.

Levi

wagon, happy for it to be joined still please, he's argued with everyone, slots replacing in have mentioned the same things that have been repeated before and he's playing style has not improved. He's confident of being an idiot, how is that town?

If

CH

/

MM

can't be lynched, please get rid of

levi

. These three players, including

fuzzy

, can not all be playing this asinine naturally. So I'd rather focus evening-d1 on these three.

I haven't seen an updated VC (*hint hint*), will wait and hold off till moving any votes till then (or if deadline comes first, whichever) to give a chance of discussion.

[Mr_Ree]

Don't want to lynch AJ or Yates, leaning town on them. HD, I'm not sure, I probably can't read him anyway but his "strong-town" play is giving me the heebie jeebies. Also feel the same way about Mhork, something about his early aggressiveness feels off and forced. Serra, I think the way he responded to pressure on him was genuine and townie, I think stubbornness is a town-trait. Rae nullish for now, will have to re-read reactions to others. Probably same for all. Last half of thread reads so different to first half.

As you can see, he leaves room to move to move to HD, Mhork and Myself, while placing AJ, Yates and Serra in his "town" pile

But wait, I'm not done yet.... Here's the kicker...

[Mr_Ree]

Spoiler: VC's with faction colors

Vote Count 1.2

• fuzzybutternut
  - serrapaladin,
  CareyHammer
  , Human Destroyer
• l

  eviathan93
  -
  kiwieagle
  , Lord Mhork
• -

  L

  -
  - Yates
• Human Destroyer
  -
  leviathan93
• Lord Mhork
  - Mr_Ree
• Mr_Ree
  - Aj the Epic
• CareyHammer
  -
  fuzzybutternut
• Not Voting
  - -
  L
  -

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.
Deadline in (expired on 2013-03-09 23:13:19)

Vote Count 1.3

• serrapaladin
  - Yates, Aj the Epic, Human Destroyer,
  leviathan93
• leviathan93
  - Lord Mhork,
  CareyHammer
  , serrapaladin
• fuzzybutternut
  -
  kiwieagle
• Aj the Epic
  - Mr_Ree
• Not Voting
  - -
  L
  -,
  fuzzybutternut

Looking for a replacement for -

L

-

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.
Deadline in (expired on 2013-03-09 23:13:19)

Vote Count 1.4

• serrapaladin
  - Yates, Aj the Epic,
  leviathan93
• leviathan93
  - Lord Mhork, serrapaladin,
  fuzzybutternut
• fuzzybutternut
  -
  kiwieagle
  , Human Destroyer
• Aj the Epic
  - Mr_Ree
• Human Destroyer
  -
  SafteyDance
• SafteyDance
  -
  CareyHammer

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.
Deadline in (expired on 2013-03-09 23:13:19)

Vote Count 1.5

• fuzzybutternut
  -
  kiwieagle
  , Human Destroyer, C
  areyHammer
• CareyHammer
  - Mr_Ree, Yates,
  fuzzybutternut
• leviathan93
  - Lord Mhork, serrapaladin
• serrapaladin
  -
  leviathan93
• Human Destroyer
  -
  SafteyDance
• Mr_Ree
  - Aj the Epic

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.
Deadline in (expired on 2013-03-09 23:13:19)

Vote Count 1.6

• CareyHammer

  Ms Marangal
  - Mr_Ree, Lord Mhork, Yates
• SafteyDance
  - f
  uzzybutternut
  ,
  leviathan93
  ,
  CareyHammer
  Ms Marangal
• fuzzybutternut
  -
  kiwieagle
  , Human Destroyer
• leviathan93
  - serrapaladin,
  SafteyDance
• Mr_Ree
  - Aj the Epic

Ms Marangal

has replaced

CareyHammer

.

Still looking for a replacement for

kiwieagle

.

Deadline can be pushed back if the replacements need more time.

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.
Deadline in (expired on 2013-03-09 23:13:19)

Vote Count 1.7

• [L-1]
  Ms Marangal
  - Mr_Ree, Lord Mhork,
  fuzzybutternut
  , Yates,
  leviathan93
• fuzzybutternut
  -
  Ms Marangal
  ,
  kiwieagle
  thenewearth
  , Human Destroyer
• leviathan93
  -
  SafteyDance
• Mr_Ree
  - Aj the Epic
• Yates
  - serrapaladin

thenewearth

has replaced

kiwieagle

.

Deadline has been pushed back until the

10th

.

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.
Deadline in (expired on 2013-03-10 21:00:00)

Vote Count 1.8

• [L-1]
  Ms Marangal
  - Mr_Ree, Lord Mhork,
  fuzzybutternut
  , Yates,
  leviathan93
• Yates
  - serrapaladin,
  thenewearth
  ,
  Ms Marangal
• fuzzybutternut
  - Human Destroyer
• leviathan93
  -
  SafteyDance
• Mr_Ree
  - Aj the Epic

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.
Deadline in (expired on 2013-03-10 21:00:00)

Vote Count 1.9

• [L-1]
  fuzzybutternut
  - Human Destroyer, Aj the Epic, serrapaladin,
  Ms Marangal
  , Yates
• Ms Marangal
  - Mr_Ree, Lord Mhork
• Yates
  -
  thenewearth
  ,
  fuzzybutternut
• Not Voting
  -
  SafteyDance
  ,
  leviathan93

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.
Deadline in (expired on 2013-03-10 21:00:00)

Vote Count 1.10

• fuzzybutternut
  - Human Destroyer, Aj the Epic, serrapaladin,
  Ms Marangal
  , Yates,
  SafteyDance

• Ms Marangal
  - Mr_Ree
• leviathan93
  -
  fuzzybutternut
  , Lord Mhork,
  thenewearth
• Not Voting
  -
  leviathan93

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.
Deadline in (expired on 2013-03-10 21:00:00)

fuzzybutternut

, a

vanilla townie

, was lynched Day 1.

It is now

Night 1

.
Deadline is in (expired on 2013-03-12 02:15:33).

Vote Count 2.2

• SafetyDance
  -
  leviathan93
  , Human Destroyer, Lord Mhork, Mr_Ree,
  Ms Marangal

• Not Voting
  -
  SafetyDance
  , Aj the Epic, Yates, serrapaladin

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.
Deadline in (expired on 2013-03-26 08:51:10)

Vote Count 3.2

• leviathan93
  - Aj the Epic, Yates, Mr_Ree
• Yates
  - Lord Mhork,
  leviathan93
  ,
  Ms Marangal
• Not Voting
  - Human Destroyer, serrapaladin

With

8

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.
Deadline in (expired on 2013-03-27 11:10:59)

Vote Count 3.3

• [L-1]
  leviathan93
  - Aj the Epic, Yates, Mr_Ree, Human Destroyer
• Yates
  - Lord Mhork,
  leviathan93
  ,
  Ms Marangal
• Not Voting
  - serrapaladin

With

8

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.
Deadline in (expired on 2013-03-27 11:10:59)

Vote Count 3.4

• leviathan93
  - Aj the Epic, Yates, Mr_Ree, Human Destroyer, serrapaladin

• Yates
  - Lord Mhork,
  leviathan93
  ,
  Ms Marangal

With

8

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.
Deadline in (expired on 2013-03-27 11:10:59)

leviathan93

, a

traitor

, was lynched Day 3.

It is now

Night 3

.
Deadline is in (expired on 2013-03-21 19:43:07).

I don't have enough time to finish this now. Formatting takes FOREVER. Back later to finish this off.

[Mr_Ree]

Bah, real quick while I'm waiting for my ride,

There was no indications that Safety did any bussing. Everyone mentioned as scum by safety flipped town. All three people mentioned as town by safety did not vote for safety (VC 2.2). All three people mentioned as town by safety, voted Leviathan (VC 3.4)

There is more, but my ride is here. Later folks.

[Mr_Ree]

Yates : BP cop

Ms M.: VT
Mhork: VT
Mr. Ree: unspecified
SP: Unknown
Aj: Unknown
HD: Unknown

We should lynch either AJ or Serra, or at least run up some claims. AJ, SP and Yates need to be confirmed. One way or the
other. I suggest a counter wagon on SP. There is still two scum including Slender man (according to flavor story) and
possibly a 3rd party (all indications point to a non killing role)

VOTE: Serra Paladin

Yates should be left alone for today - unless someone cares to counter claim. With a confirmation of Ms M. as town, it actually gives Mhork a slight town boost and Yates a slight scum boost (due to her reads - and nothing more.) I'd like to think Yates is what he claimed. I don't want to lynch Mhork right this minute, I'd rather pursue this other line of inquiry while there is still most of the day phase to discuss.

[Mr_Ree]

What does everyone else think of this plan? Should we focus attention there? There's definitely at least one in that trio.

You hammered safety WAY to early day 2, Ms M. The missing interactions are the only thing stopping me from narrowing it down further.

P-edit because of the flavor post and Leviathans claim.

[Mr_Ree]

No, no, two including slendy. Tall lanky figure over safety's corpse and the shadowy figure that ran away. Win con says all opposing factions, leading me to believe a 3rd party.

[Mr_Ree]

Of course, Levi could have been the dark figure that ran away, we still don't have today's flavor.

[Mr_Ree]

Where is everyone? I keep seeing people online but nobody is posting.

I'd like to hear people's thoughts on the trio. I'd also like to hear more from HD

[Mr_Ree]

Well since I'm here and you asked

Mhork is still the most obvious scum that ever scummed scummily

So I'd much rather a lynch on him

And if you think a VT claim somehow makes him town, just wtf

It's more that I believe his claim because of his voting paterns. The fact that Ms m. is now cleared actually supports his alignment as town. I'd just like to get a better picture going into Mylo. I'd rather not be left in the dark, which is what I see happening. Look at my near empty claim list. Scum gets rid of Yates tonight and we are going into possible mylo tomorrow with one confirmed vanilla and nothing else. I'm thinking long term here. At this point it only makes sense to get a few claims. We are down 1 and a half scum and there's a good chance there are two left, which makes sense because all Levi had to do was claim to get safety lynched.

Go from 7 to 5 players, 3 - 2 = Mylo

Can you blame me for wanting to get today right?

[Mr_Ree]

God damn Mhork, forget Yates already. Go with SP. Yates claim makes sense for now.

[Mr_Ree]

Thread needs more AJ.

[Mr_Ree]

Look, all I'm trying to do is get people thinking about other possibilities. The last few days have been just tunnelling. There are currently too many in my could be scum pile. Let's at least discuss who is next on the list if Mhork does/doesn't flip scum.

There is a reason my win ratio is so high. I read people better than most. I analyze things more that most. I use proven strategies better than most. It's high time people take a good look at what I'm saying and attempting to do.

[Mr_Ree]

@Ms. M., if you are going to check the thread so frequently, at least post something. Your words carry weight now that you're confirmed. The only people that would doubt you are those who doubt Yates, namely Mhork and SP, who both think you're town anyways.

Explain why you think Mhork is town, tell us who you think is scum. Your last few post have left much to be desired. You aren't even voting. Get in the damn game, woman!

P-edit: tbh, I wouldn't mind either. Doesn't currently fit my criteria though. Certainly still a candidate nonetheless.

[Mr_Ree]

I almost hate to even suggest this but what about a no lynch?

1. We buy an extra investigation.
2. We go into tomorrow with more information
3. At worst, (with a nightkill and assuming 2 scum left) we go into tomorrow with 6 players, 4:2
4. At best (no night kill), we go in with everyone today 5:2

Yes, the worse case scenario does mean Mylo, but there is a chance to no lynch again for another investigation. With a little luck and some good choices, we can hopefully get a guilty tonight.

So, best worst case, we have a confirmed scum tomorrow and are down 1 player(helping PoE ), Worst, worst case, we are down a player and have another confirmed town and another investigation to get it right. Actually, worst worst case is Yates is actually scum and fakes a guilty on a townie tomorrow, or Yates is the cop and dies tonight.

I believe Yates' claim, even the bullet proof part. He should still be protected though. Hint hint.

[Mr_Ree]

I'm not either but if you are who you claim, it's kind of a gamebreaker play. Do the math. I did.

[Mr_Ree]

VOTE: No Lynch

[Mr_Ree]

I'd like to hear what others think of this idea. Good, bad? For or against?

[Mr_Ree]

OK, let's go for a consensus before anyone else jumps on the nl wagon. If anyone has a good reason not to, we can always scrap that idea.

You can't be completely in the dark, Ms. M. You must have SOME inkling. Off the top of your head, not including Yates, who are you the most mistrustful of? Who makes a likely partner for that person? Throw us a freaking bone here.

[Mr_Ree]

Well I guess I'd be fine with a no lynch if we had to, but I'd personally like a HumanDestroyer lynch. My favourite is revisting his ISO, seeing the town reads on me, the scum reads on all the guys who have flipped town, and the levy obv town. Then there was the massive 180 with levy being auto lynch and me being obvscum.

Also he's been sitting, twiddling his thumbs and waiting for me to get lynched. Does anyone actually have a town read on him?

Keep in mind, scum would have no way of knowing that Levi was the traitor. At most, they would just be informed that there is a traitor.

I'm not trying to poke holes in your theories but you need to factor that in. In early game, scum would have thought he was just an easy townie lynch, presumably, after he claimed as recruitable, scum would have tried to keep him alive, which is why you have a wagon on you right now.

What people aren't considering is that scum could have thrown him under the bus when they realized he was going down, which is where you find the trio that safety had town reads on. The same trio who didn't vote safety.

Since bussing is a possibility, HD does fit the bill. He seems like the type who would throw someone to the wolves to save himself. Even still, there is evidence to support my trio theory. Not that I think they are all scum, nor do I hold any illusions that both scum would be contained to those three players. I'm basing it on the fact that safety wouldn't put both his partners in his "could be scum" pile. There was no evidence to support bussing. Everyone he said he wanted lynched flipped town, as shown by my earlier posts. When you've eliminated the most plausible explanations, the only answers that remain must be the correct answers. Those three are the most plausible. Yates is the cop, that leaves AJ and SP.

I'd prefer to lynch within those two and investigate the other but, failing that, the no lynch and investigate route sounds very appealing. HD would be a distant 3rd option for me. Yes, I did read his ISO. I lol'd at all the times he fos'd me for trying to save fuzzy. He didn't even give it up after the flip, saying something like 'Ree needs to eat rope for white knighting fuzzy'. So yeah, I'm not a huge fan either.

[Mr_Ree]

Im not bullet proof. Reread that post again. The investigative aspect has been stripped from my role but that actually make me more useful and supports Yates' cop role.

Very interested to hear AJ's gamebreaking info.

SP fell into the trap by speaking out AGAINST the no lynch and suggesting a mass claim. I considered that earlier but scrapped it when I realized it hurt town more than it helped.

[Mr_Ree]

Eeveryone WAS online...

[Mr_Ree]

Sorry Yates, can't say I'm any of those. I can neither confirm nor deny your role. All I will say at this point is that your role makes sense.

SP, you are forgetting the protection role. Combine that with Yates' BP and we can guarantee 2 more investigations. It won't be Mylo tomorrow even with a night kill 5:2 -> 4:2. If we lynch wrong today, we are into Mylo with a nightkill 5:2 -> 3:2

Now, what does a massclaim do for us? It reveals all our PRs and their abilities and allows scum to make a solid plan knowing who to target to cripple town. With 2 scum left, tell me how a massclaim makes ANY sense.

[Mr_Ree]

Wait, yes it does mean mylo. It still leaves us in a better position.

[Mr_Ree]

Who is saying that I'm relying solely on Yates?

Even if i was, with a protector role and a Bullet proof Yates, what's stopping him from getting two investigations?

We can
A) lynch someone, learn from their flip, investigate someone and learn from the nk flip to arrive at lylo - that's 3 confirmed, with 2 of those being dead
Or
B) no lynch, learn from the nk result (or block it completely) investigate someone, if they are town, no lynch again with another investigation to arrive at lylo. That's 4 confirmed with 2 dead.

So what would you prefer? 3 people or 4 people confirmed going into Mylo?

[Mr_Ree]

Look, I'm not going to force it, it was just a suggestion to get people talking. It's not a bad idea, we're not in an ideal situation at the moment. The tunnelling over the last few days hurt us just as much as it helped. If the only thing my suggestions do is get people talking and thinking, mission accomplished. I haven't seen a solid case that I can actually get behind and believe in all game.

@Ms. M and Mhork, do you put any faith in my analysis of safety's reads? Is there a flaw that I perhaps didn't consider? HD was sitting on the scummy side of safety's reads.

Hey, I find HD just as scummy but he doesn't fit the profile.

Too tired to think. Need to go over a few things, but first, bed.

[Mr_Ree]

Yeah, that's kind my point too.

To be fair though, Mhork actually did make a quick case against HD.

On the whole, we seem to be skipping cases this game in favour of the information lynches. Problem is, we ran out of information. Almost. Aj seems to know more than he's saying. I don't know what he's got but I don't really want to lose him at night before hearing what he's got.

@AJ, would your information reveal scum or clear a suspected member of town? If you can reveal scum, I would assume you would have done so already. If it's about clearing town, leave it for now unless they start building a decent wagon. I'd suggest a reveal in twilight, in case you don't make it to tomorrow.

If it is in regards to clearing/condemning Yates, as you seemed to imply, that should be dealt with now. I'd rather not find myself being fooled and I have no way to verify it myself.

[Mr_Ree]

@ Piggy: We are in need of a vote count please. If you have time for flavor too, that would be appreciated

With Yates' new info RE: safety and bussing, I went back and reread safety's posts.

'Not sure about HD, his "strong town" play gives me the heebie jeebies' (I believe that's how the sentence goes)

I initially read it as he was suspecting HD. That line actually came out after safety unvoted HD, no reasons were given for the unvote. It gives a strong impression of safety not taking responsibility for his reads and feels like cognitive dissonance on safety's part. It seems like a fos on a "strong town" read for being too town, but if that's the case, why vote there in the first place?

Looking back, it was an RVS vote....

Vote: Human Destroyer

Because he's always scum

Give me about a day to catch up, Posting over weekend may be limited though

I've been into the beer and I don't know what to do with that yet. Gimme some time to think.

[Mr_Ree]

Could i get a second or third set of eyes on this post? I know there's something here, im just having trouble figuring out what exactly I'm looking for.

My god you people, you've like, tripled the post count since I replaced in. Aargh. I haven't even read the opening flavor. And pink hurts my eyes.

For HD:

Spoiler:

http://i.imgur.com/XH7BG40.jpg

UNVOTE

I think I'm caught up but I ended up skimming a few pages. to get through quick. I feel like I'm back in the newbie queue with Levi, Fuzz and especially Carey. I think their reactions to each other are genuine so I don't think they're all scum or all the scum is contained here and that would be...a very quick game but at least one of could be and I don't think they're all being this...dense on purpose. Surely?

What's worse is their play is allowing Kiwi to slide through unnoticed. Seriously start posting more please. I will be too., don't worry.

Don't want to lynch AJ or Yates, leaning town on them. HD, I'm not sure, I probably can't read him anyway but his "strong-town" play is giving me the heebie jeebies. Also feel the same way about Mhork, something about his early aggressiveness feels off and forced. Serra, I think the way he responded to pressure on him was genuine and townie, I think stubbornness is a town-trait. Rae nullish for now, will have to re-read reactions to others. Probably same for all. Last half of thread reads so different to first half.

Would like one of the first three mentioned to be lynched, if anyone wants to make a compelling present case now for either fuzzy or levi willing to hear it. But for now:

VOTE:CareyHammer

As others have said your VI-ness is counter-productive to town in any shape or form and it is not helping us in anyway and you're floundering just makes you look scummy. You should be lynched now, or if you're going to play, buckle up princess and start. You've got five days. That or do what HD suggests and replace out but do it quick so your replacement has a chance to defend themselves.

[Mr_Ree]

OK, it looks like you read it the same way I did first time around. Out of those, who would you be willing to vote for? How does it change your read on HD?

[Mr_Ree]

Anyone else get a similar impression?

[Mr_Ree]

That's my impression of HD too. It's frustrating being scum and getting fosd for nothing in particular. Same thing happened in my last game with Mhork.

Need more from AJ. His gamebreaker information is sorely needed.

[Mr_Ree]

Flavour will be here later.

.

[Mr_Ree]

Come to think of it, AJ is entering prod range

[Mr_Ree]

I don't really have much on you besides your early reads. My PoE points more towards SP and AJ than to you but I did try to figure out how you fit into it.

Lately, your contributions have been... lacking. You haven't been very active and your post have basically been saying "why me" That gives off an overall impression that you are more concerned with saving your own ass than in helping town. You haven't given reasons for any of your fos's, you haven't really given any reasons for any of your reads. Your minimalistic posting style does not give any sense of transparency.

Basically, I'm saying you read as cautious and self serving, which are scum traits. That's why

I'd

be willing to vote you. You are however, not my first choice.

[Mr_Ree]

We do have enough players for 3 scum and one recruitable. Especially, if that recruit can reveal scum during RVS if he wanted to.

[Mr_Ree]

Two scum with the possible recruit knowing a scum means the game could easily end with the lynch day 2. Hell, it could potentially be done night 1,

[Mr_Ree]

I just recently (not that recently) played a 13 player game with Yates that had 2 scum teams of 2. (4 scum with 2 nightkills)

[Mr_Ree]

3 + Traitor leads to D2 LYLO if traitor doesn't out his known scum and gets recruited N1.

In this scenario, the traitor would have to play against his wincon. He's town, he wins with town, why would he not out scum?

Hell, if I had Levi's role, I would have full claimed with my first post and told everyone to lynch me day 2.

[Mr_Ree]

So the both of you would have gone for the scum win... wow...just....wow... I don't even...

I'm super glad Levi drew that role then.

You two are just...wow.. It's nice having the choice and everything but... really?

P-edit: I know why you guys are BP. This makes sense. Vote SP or HD, I'll reveal tomorrow

[Mr_Ree]

Wait wait... wth? Not doc? That actually explains everything! That's the missing piece!! One of you probably lost your BP status last night or...

@SP, are you bullet proof too?

[Mr_Ree]

Nononono SP!!! Vote SP!!!

[Mr_Ree]

Yup, that's a lynch. I'm more sure of SP but I guess my second choice works too. This should be enough for tomorrow.

Nope, not fake. I prefer the town win. It's harder to achieve and therefore more gratifying.

For some reason I was getting a broken image as my avatar for a full day. Blame it on bad wifi I guess.

P-edit: lol. Can't wait to reveal and power lynch you SP.

[Mr_Ree]

Lol. Are your reads going to make sense at all this game?

Let me put this as clearly as possible,

The only thing that can prevent a town win is a scum Yates.

P-edit: Are you?

[Mr_Ree]

Don't worry, you will know my role tomorrow regardless of what happens tonight. I'm wayyy more effective unclaimed.

I assume Yates will investigate you or Mhork tonight so you should have nothing to worry about if you are indeed town.

[Mr_Ree]

Nope. You can't kill him anyway, it would confirm his alignment. You're stuck. Your only choice is Ms. M who also confirms Yates.

You can't kill AJ, he's bulletproof. You can't kill Me, I'm the one you're trying to pin things on. Ditto for Mhork.

Bwahahaha stuck stuck stuck.

[Mr_Ree]

Guess that depends on HD's flip.

Lol this is the coolest role ever and Yates and AJ's claims only make sense when combined with mine. You are S.O.L sorry.

[Mr_Ree]

not even close.

Prod the mod!

P-edit: indeed.

[Mr_Ree]

I can stop a kill on Yates. Scum can either kill me and lose by PoE or kill Ms. M and confirm Yates while giving me solid proof.

AJ is BP and Mhork is the last remaining viable lynch for tomorrow besides SP and myself.

Town win. Awwww yeah.

[Mr_Ree]

Did you miss the part where I said I can protect Yates? But wait that's not all... act now and I'll throw in a free vig kill on SP!

I know what you're thinking! How can you offer two such great abilities for just 19.99??

We've worked directly with site admins and mods and passed those great abilities on to you!

where da pig at?

[Mr_Ree]

You're welcome.

[Mr_Ree]

Why do you think that?

[Mr_Ree]

Not quite ready yet.... soon.....very soon.

[Mr_Ree]

BTW,

no voting until I say so

I'm putting this on lockdown until all the facts are in. ALL THE FACTS, INCLUDING CLAIMS AND ALL NIGHT RESULTS.

@Yates, target and result please

[Mr_Ree]

Not yet. I'm not claiming till Yates reveals his target and result for basically the same reason he's giving. Thing is, I can confirm Yates by his results. If i claim, he would in therory, be able to adjusts his results accordingly. I'd rather be sure about him, before I move on to my real suspect. If we're all being played by Yates, we're in trouble

My actions the last two nights prevented the kill, but are still open to some interpretation. Not entirely. They more or less point to one person. The effect is what I'm wondering about. It was.... not what I expected, but, one thing at a time, lets discuss our thoughts until Yates is ready. Then we massclaim, all of us, and the answer SHOULD be as clear as day.

[Mr_Ree]

That still works. Not quite as good as the alternative though.

I'm curious to hear the result, but hang on to that for a sec. Why did you caps lock 'thinks'? Actually, put a pin in that for now too

Who do you guys think the target for the last two nights were?

[Mr_Ree]

It would be if there was a Strongman. Wouldn't it?

[Mr_Ree]

Why roleblocker? Scum roleblocker or town?

[Mr_Ree]

Does that mesh with bulletproof? See, I'm working under the impression that I was the target both nights. In fact, I can pretty much prove it. I know my ability worked, I can prove that too. I wish I could say abilities. I can't.

See, here's the problem, I baited scum by claiming Cop the night before last and I was targetted. I baited scum by saying it was pointless for scum to target anyone else and claimed to have information, a protector role and a vig kill, and I was targetted. Why did nobody die?

[Mr_Ree]

Seriously, what did you target me with SP?

[Mr_Ree]

Yates was the first to use an ability on me last night, you were the first the night before. What did you target me with SP?

[Mr_Ree]

Good, Yates, time for that result

[Mr_Ree]

Do you think I'm working with Yates?

[Mr_Ree]

I'm a Hider, and part of town. You actually got a result on SP. Same result I did. No effect.

Story for the last few nights indicated I was snuggled up with someone but there was no kill. That someone was SP.

My role indicates that I don't die when I hide behind scum. Any actions performed on me are supposed to affect my target, and vice versa.

Flavor is hider related and tells me not to be scared.

It all points to SP. Then again, it also points to Yates. If SP is vanilla, Yates should have got a read.

The only thing that should completely fizzle if used against me is a Strongman kill. Unless someone JK'd SP both nights.

Nobody claimed JK.

Bullet proof makes sense with hider. I can accidentally get town killed. Strongman makes sense with both BP and Hider.

There's still something missing. Let's popcorn. Full roles, anything missing, speak now.

Yates, you go first.

[Mr_Ree]

We have nothing definite saying he is or he isn't. How do we explain a no result? What would give a no result?

[Mr_Ree]

Marangle? She claimed Vanilla...

[Mr_Ree]

Yates getting no result means you commuted, were JK'd, I was targetted by a strongman... something...unusual.

Hider is my role. You aren't considering possible scum roles to counteract. Strongman seems likely, balance speaking. I don't know that there is one for sure.

I'm also not sure what happened at night.

The target thing was reaction testing.

[Mr_Ree]

Lol. So I just got a pm with some clarification on my role. Apparently I misunderstood. Role is not as cool as I thought.

If I'm targetted, it fizzles. Nothing happens. If my target gets targetted, it affects both of us. If I target scum, I don't die.

[Mr_Ree]

???

@Piggy, care to confirm?

Just noticed, I probably should have said.

[Mr_Ree]

That'll do pig. That'll do.

So yeah, I guess I was targetted both nights by the kill and last night by Yates.

[Mr_Ree]

I have no investigation side, but that confirms that there should be a cop. No result makes sense. What about the no result on AJ? How do we explain that?

[Mr_Ree]

They could target my target to win.

[Mr_Ree]

Obviously.

It may be a good idea actually. No lynch, try for one more investigation.

Then again, it's probably among the VT's. Way too many of them. Mhork and SP are both unconfirmed.

@Mhork and SP, why don't the two of you make cases against the other? Prove your worth.

[Mr_Ree]

Does he? How so?

We think there's two. SP and Mhork are the obvious choices.

I'm pretty sure Yates is what he says. Bulletproof townie is reaching a little but still likely. As far as anyone else goes, they all claimed vanilla. The best we have is an educated guess.

The game is about confusing the other team. Mafia has the edge, that's why their numbers are smaller. I can't help but think we're missing something. That's not how I like to reach Mylo.

I don't like how SP was trying to shift things onto Mhork and I in particular.

[Mr_Ree]

All this talk of governors is confusing me too. The one who brought it up is the only one confirmed.

[Mr_Ree]

I would have had to do that right off the bat. I thought I had more of a redirect ability and controlled the night kill if targetted with it.

You can see I was trying to make myself a juicy target since day 1.

Rolecop makes some sense due to the caps lock "thinks" in Yates post. Seems to imply he targetted someone he didn't mean to, which only would have worked if he targetted SP. Action wouldn't resolve if used on me. Semi possible but doubtful.

Gf is doubtful too. Strongman is iffy but still a possibility. Slight possibility.

No lynch, follow the cop strategy seems a good bet unless we want to roll the dice and lynch either SP or Mhork.

[Mr_Ree]

I'll do an updated VCA in a sec.

[Mr_Ree]

I pretty much dismissed that anyway.

[Mr_Ree]

Gotta explore all options. I'm just being thorough.

I pretty much confirmed you with the investigation results. So you and Ms. M. Are clear. Results and flavor confirm me. Pretty sure AJ is town.

I'll look at ISOs and VC's to find what we need.

Are we still thinking two scum or one? One seems underpowered barring a heavy scum PR.

Levi was with both teams in a way. If he was turned, it would have just been a scum result. The results make sense.

[Mr_Ree]

Great game, AP. Lots of fun and well balanced. I take a lot of the blame. I should have been a little more on the ball and taken a chance N1 but I chickened out. I was also in a weird place as to what to claim. I was going to be honest but then figured if there was a REAL cop they would investigate me and no harm - no foul. Plus, I was confident I would draw the NK - which worked out as expected. I really didn't think you guys would figure out I was the hider but still had to leave a giant billboard so there was no question who I was investigating. I was kind of hoping you would try me again as a

1-shot bp cop

or something but I realized later that having another BP might have tipped you off to my bluff.

Oh well. I'm not disappointed in my game or, really, the Town in general. Sometimes people just guess right. So kudos to Bacde for making the right choice last second like that. That was your only chance at winning.

Why did nobody bring this up earlier.

[Mr_Ree]

I mean, I'm glad you didn't. Still seems like it's worth mentioning. Quite the coincidence though.

[Mr_Ree]

Looking back on my thoughts of Mhork,

He was against the follow the cop strategy
he was against me protecting Levi at night after he claimed.
He tried to make SP look bad in RVS.
I think he voted safety

I have to take another look through to see what changed my mind yesterday.

If I remember right, it was the trio idea. That points to SP.

P-edit, I'm. Just surprised it wasn't mentioned considering the overlap in the player base. It was a good strategy, the coincidence is mind boggling though. The game you linked in regards to my hider role just happened to be the same game you fake claimed one shot BP cop? The same role you got this game?

[Mr_Ree]

Could you weigh in with anything more...relevant?

It shouldn't have any bearing on his alignment this game, it's just an odd coincidence. Scum could have easily used that to discredit Yates when he claimed. If Scum was in that game. SP and Mhork were not.

[Mr_Ree]

Our options are SP, Mhork or follow the cop no lynch.

Thoughts?

[Mr_Ree]

Agreed. Who do you propose gets investigated first?

[Mr_Ree]

???

This game is making my head hurt. My top scum read is asking for a follow the cop no lynch strategy directed at himself.

Do we still think there is two? What if there was one originally with a recruiting ability? SP's support for the strategy is making me uneasy. I still think it sounds good in theory. It would have been so easy had Yates targetted SP. I was being cocky though. I get that way when I think I have it all figured out. I have to admit I'm confused now though. I need a few more people to weigh in. I need to hear from Mhork in particular.

[Mr_Ree]

No, I considered it. I also think I drew the NK at least once, if not both times. The other thing is, it's a 50/50 shot now. If Yates were to die, it's still 50/50 and 100% confirmed Yates and Ms. M are town. I trust them for now but being 100% sure is always a bonus. That leaves a pool of 3 unconfirmed, 1 of which is trusted more than the other two, or two depending on your PoE.

@Ms. M: please stop prod dodging and rejoin the game.

[Mr_Ree]

As far as drawing the investigation, I figured Yates would target you and scum would target me. Story seems to suggest that they did.

[Mr_Ree]

Spoiler: last two night stories

It was clear no one could trust

leviathan93

anymore, and the tension in the group continued growing as the day progressed. Sure enough, when night came and no one knew where the guy had went, search parties certainly weren't sent out to find him. I tried to find a funny racist joke about black guys always being the first to die in horror movies, but the group didn't really seem to be in a laughing mood.

Oh, the Slenderman breaks every child he takes
Drags 'em off to purgatory...
After that it gets quite gory...
How's that for your bedtime story?

I was a little saddened in the morning when levi still wasn't there, but the lack of other missing persons lifted my spirits a bit. Though I did have to do the head count twice since some of our members seemed to have bundled up together for safety and protection. Can't say I really blame them.

No one was killed Night 3.

The peaceful night gave me a slight false sense of security, just enough to make me lower my guard for only a moment. I had decided to accompany

Human Destroyer

to get some more fire wood. We had started up a pleasant conversation about various diseases one could acquire from the woods when HD went silent behind me.

When I turned around I was faced with a broad back, lean, but skinny. As my eyes traveled upwards to his glowing, almost translucent white head, my hand automatically reached out and brushed oh-so-gently against the soft black coat. I jerked back in surprise, not actually expecting to feel anything, and with a wave of nausea I fell to the ground. By the time my stomach had finished emptying it's contents and I could move, I was completely alone.

Scared he'd come back to get revenge for touching him, I ran back to the camp and huddled close with everyone else - who were half worried about me, half disgusted by the stench of vomit.

Slender Man, Slender Man,
Blends in well within the trees.
Slender Man, Slender Man,
In the fog he's hard to see.

The morning came with bright sunshine and everyone still alive and well. I was honestly getting suspicious of two of the group members seeing how close they were getting... but hey, if they can find a little bit of love and happiness before they get taken off to their painful, horrid, torturous death, then who am I to stop them?

No one was killed Night 4.

[Mr_Ree]

By the way, I'm the pitcher

[Mr_Ree]

EBWOP: You know you wanted it.

If I was targetted the first night, which it sounds like, I probably would have been targetted the second night too, which it also sounds like.

Why waste a nightkill on someone you can't kill? They may have thought I was bullet proof also. After taking the first shot, why not go back and finish the job? Afterall, I was saying that the BP makes sense.

P-edit <3

[Mr_Ree]

If you think about it, it wasn't mentioned at all before those two nights.

[Mr_Ree]

The people getting snuggly in the flavor was me hiding behind you. That wasn't mentioned in the flavor when I targetted AJ. I assume since it was included, it was significant. There was a kill when I targetted AJ, it wasn't mentioned. There was no kills the last two nights, when I targetted you. The flavor had us bumming together both nights. Easy to draw a connection.

[Mr_Ree]

*Bunking together

Damn autocorrect lol

[Mr_Ree]

Well, it did make sense. You may be right about not trusting the flavor though.

Let's talk balance. 1 scum or two?

[Mr_Ree]

Yeah, that would be a horrible outcome. We have no firefighter though. don't they go together?

Yes I did say I wasn't a cop, and I wanted to be a firefighter yesterday but I'm not. Is that why you looked it up?

Strongman made a lot of sense earlier. Hider is a counter to Strongman, which is a counter to BP. If that was the case, more people should be dead. Unless I was the target both nights. In which case, I have to pat myself on the back and give a big nah nah to scum.

Why no big post from Mhork? Where the hell is Ms. M?

[Mr_Ree]

@Piggy, please prod Ms. M.

[Mr_Ree]

Claiming after yates was the best way to confirm him. My actions should fit my role well enough to basically confirm me.

Levi could have gone either way so an inconclusive result makes sense given his role.

[Mr_Ree]

We know what Levi's role is. I think it's a safe bet there is no roleblocker.

The cop is underpowered which gives reason for the BP modifier.

[Mr_Ree]

The first game that shows up in a search with an arsonist is this one:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=775

No firefighter.

Mitsuru was the firefighter.

[Mr_Ree]

This one did not:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=24640

This game had a roleblocker that could prevent the arsonist from actioning.

It's not looking likely Yates.

[Mr_Ree]

Ms. M. Has been ignoring this thread since being confirmed yet has been dutifully posting EVERYWHERE else on site and in her 6 or 7 other games.

We should just lynch her now.

Is this common behaviour for her?

[Mr_Ree]

I was hoping seeing that would make her pay attention.

[Mr_Ree]

And Mhork?

[Mr_Ree]

Actually I was creating a situation where scum would seemingly have an opening to push Yates. I did think it was an odd coincidence but nothing more.

[Mr_Ree]

If I said Governor, I meant GF. You were the one who brought it up.

[Mr_Ree]

Spoiler: VC's with faction colors

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• Lord Mhork
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• Mr_Ree
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• fuzzybutternut
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• Aj the Epic
  - Mr_Ree
• Not Voting
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  -,
  fuzzybutternut

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6

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• serrapaladin
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• leviathan93
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• fuzzybutternut
  -
  kiwieagle
  , Human Destroyer
• Aj the Epic
  - Mr_Ree
• Human Destroyer
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• leviathan93
  - Lord Mhork, serrapaladin
• serrapaladin
  -
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• Human Destroyer
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• Mr_Ree
  - Aj the Epic

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  Ms Marangal
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  ,
  CareyHammer
  Ms Marangal
• fuzzybutternut
  -
  kiwieagle
  , Human Destroyer
• leviathan93
  - serrapaladin,
  SafteyDance
• Mr_Ree
  - Aj the Epic

Ms Marangal

has replaced

CareyHammer

.

Still looking for a replacement for

kiwieagle

.

Deadline can be pushed back if the replacements need more time.

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11

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• fuzzybutternut
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  Ms Marangal
  ,
  kiwieagle
  thenewearth
  , Human Destroyer
• leviathan93
  -
  SafteyDance
• Mr_Ree
  - Aj the Epic
• Yates
  - serrapaladin

thenewearth

has replaced

kiwieagle

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  thenewearth
  ,
  Ms Marangal
• fuzzybutternut
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• Ms Marangal
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• Yates
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  thenewearth
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• Not Voting
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• fuzzybutternut
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• Ms Marangal
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• leviathan93
  -
  fuzzybutternut
  , Lord Mhork,
  thenewearth
• Not Voting
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fuzzybutternut

, a

vanilla townie

, was lynched Day 1.

It is now

Night 1

.
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leviathan93

, a

traitor

, was lynched Day 3.

It is now

Night 3

.
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I don't have enough time to finish this now. Formatting takes FOREVER. Back later to finish this off.

Bah, real quick while I'm waiting for my ride,

There was no indications that Safety did any bussing. Everyone mentioned as scum by safety flipped town. All three people mentioned as town by safety did not vote for safety (VC 2.2). All three people mentioned as town by safety, voted Leviathan (VC 3.4)

There is more, but my ride is here. Later folks.

Vote Count 4.3

• Human Destroyer

  - serrapaladin, Lord Mhork, Ms Marangal, Aj the Epic

• Lord Mhork
  - Human Destroyer, Yates
• No Lynch
  - Mr_Ree

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to lynch.
Deadline in (expired on 2013-04-04 22:50:53)

Human Destroyer

, a

vanilla townie

, was lynched Day 4.

It is now

Night 4

.
Deadline is in (expired on 2013-04-02 19:56:06).

[Mr_Ree]

That all still points to SP. I certainly don't believe Mhork should stick around either though.

What made you bring up arsonist Yates? Just flavor alone? That idea festering in the back of my mind is making me wary of any kind of FTC strategy. Perhaps that was your intent? Where do you stand on a no lynch?

VLA until Wed

try to post something of substance while I'm gone.

[Mr_Ree]

Catch up quick.

Don't you dare replace out 73 pages in.

I like to be sure of my actions. If I have to pick one or the other, I don't know that I can. SP sounds town, you sound like scum. Analysis points to SP, you could have been bussing/bussed.

@Mod, is this Mylo?

[Mr_Ree]

I'm not replacing out. I'm just confused and tired.

You look scummy, though. And I really don't like that mod question. Forced town slip is forced.

Squinty eyes.

While true, I occasionally purposely make town slips, I think I've made my alignment pretty clear this game through my actions.

Asking a question like that does not benefit scum in any way, shape, or form.

It does however help town greatly (if answered). It
lets us know we can lynch without fear of losing, investigate tonight and lynch again tomorrow.

Now let me ask you something. If we do investigate someone tonight, should it be you or SP?

[Mr_Ree]

Yeah. I think I would be too. Actually I could be talked into either of them.

I would think Scum would want to pay more attention, wouldn't they? I find myself flip flopping back and forth between them for various reasons. On the logical side, it comes up SP, on the gut side, it comes up Mhork.